did the pentagon really get hit by a plane

[Mario 0]

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main

 

watch this vid and see

[BWare 0]

Yes it did. It's just another silly conspiracy theory... interesting yes, but substantive? No.

[Mario 0]

well if u look at it you'll see that there's no plane wreckage ergo it wasnt a plane that crashed into it even tho it looked like one had

[Luk3us 63]

Ahh.... Well since either IE or ZA have blocked what ever it was you wanted me to see, I didn't see anything...

 

But even with out seeing that I can confidently say that a plane did hit the petagon... :wink:

[Saracen 16]

Another interesting theory. It's like the flight that was taken over by corageous civilians before crashing into a field. That was bullcrap, it was shot down! Every news report at the time said it was shot down. Then soon after they changed the story.

 

I've read the 9/11 report and it said that no jets were scrambled until after the whole incident was over 2 hours after the first plane hit the WTC. Fact is, planes were scrambled a few minutes after the 2nd plane hit. Planes were guarding washington airspace from that point to prevent an attack on the whitehouse.

 

When the above flight was confirmed on Radar to be turning around jets were ordered to intercept, this was confirmed by news reports at the time. 10 minutes or so later it had "crashed".

 

A farmer and nearby witnesses at the time confirmed sightings of the said passenger plane and a military jet that fired missiles to shoot it down. That is why some witnesses said they saw an explosion and thus the story of a bomb on board was the first story, before being changed again.

 

A friend of mine also said about another theory that the first plane to hit the WTC was actually a cargo tanker. I can't remember what else he said, but aparently there are other pictures of this jet than the camera held by the firemen that day.

[Thierry 0]

Yeh, I believe they shot it down, but what choice did they have? 150 people dead or 1500+

 

Still....they could have some how tried to damage the wings or something, to prevent it from crashing into anything.

 

But there is no real weapon against this, cus I doubt Bush is gonna place Patriot installations on the roof of each house

[Mario 0]

ha ha wouldnt that be cool if he did :lol:

[chickendippers 1]

Shooting the wings off a plane still causes it to crash :roll: Unless they were flying over fields or sea or something.

[fox34343 1]

damaging the wings could force the plane to land

[BWare 0]

no no no... people, these conspiracy theories are all pretty much crap. The Pentagon was hit by a plane, as was the WTC, and the fourth jet WAS NOT shot down. :roll:

 

Why is this so hard to believe? Do you have to see conspiracies in everything?

[Saracen 16]

The Forth jet was shot down, that is a fact, not a conspiracy theory. And if you don't know it to be fact then you are just one of the many that are drawn to the lies of the American Government.

[BWare 0]

Wow. You are REALLY sounding like a paranoid conspiracy theory nut job. Why in God's name would you say something like that? It is a FACT that a struggle in the plane resulted in its crashing. What evidence do you have that it was shot down, apart from your own irrational contempt for America?

:roll:

unbelievable.

[Saracen 16]

The evidence I have is what I heard and saw on TV and Radio that day. Every news broadcast covering the 9/11 tragedy said it was shot down. Later they changed their story to the struggle, without announcing their correction, therefore stating it was like that all along.

[BWare 0]

That's it? You consider that conclusive, and call anyone who disagrees brainwashed? Pardon me, but ... :roll:

 

A plane went down in the craziness of 9/11. First thing most people thought was that it was shot down... which makes sense. Information gathered LATER... not spur of the moment, incomplete speculation by reporters... revealed that phone calls made from the plane and the way in which it crashed were the result of a struggle onboard. I have an accumulation of facts. You have your personal experience with news reporters...... hmm.

 

If you really want to believe that nonsense, go ahead, but please refrain from insulting me and my country.

[Mario 0]

and as i said if you look at it there's no plane wrckage ergo it was not a plane that crashed into the pentagon

[General Leang 0]

You believe that Flight 93 was shot down, as opposed to it's passengers fighting back? This is based on early reports suggesting it was shot down? A number of things were changed from the first reports following the immediate attacks. It was first believed that it was an isolated accident and that was what the news reported before the second plane hit the World Trade Centre. It was believed that Palestinions were behind the attack, and they were shown celebrating the attacks. Of course this was later confirmed to Afghanistan. There were initial reports of a nuclear retalliation against the perpetrators of the attack, something which obviously has not occured. There is audio evidence of the Flight 93 passengers fighting back against the hijackers. Now one school of thought believes that this was made up in Hollywood, the same as they believe the Bin Laden tapes are filmed with actors. The question I pose to you is if this were a cover up why has no one stepped forward? The conspiracy is too big, too grandoise, for there to be no one attempting to blow the whistle.

[BWare 0]

you're right on the money Leang, except I wouldn't give the conspiracy theory nuts the credit of calling their thinking a "school of thought." :wink:

 

and as i said if you look at it there's no plane wrckage ergo it was not a plane that crashed into the pentagon

aristaios, for heaven's sake dude... that is very dim. Do you have any idea what kind of kinetic energy is released when something that heavy smashes into a wall at 600 mph?? WHAT DO YOU EXPECT TO SEE?? The plane wouldn't just bounce off the wall! It was vaporized. Have you ever seen footage of planes at stunt shows that fly straight into the ground? It looks like they disappear into a puff of smoke and flame. When that stupid video shows wreckage from other plane crashes, just take a look and notice that those crashed IN OPEN FIELDS. Impressionable idiots who watch it think, "yeah, why doesn't the Pentagon look like that? It must be a conspiracy!" Fools. The plane HIT A WALL AT FULL SPEED. It was an attack, so the remains will PROBABLY be a bit unlike a typical crash. Sheesh. [/rant]

[General Leang 0]

BWare is right in what he says about the plane wreckage. Have you ever had a spider that you would kill? You whack it with a shoe, or with a broom, and chances are it would vaporise, or there would be very little spider left. The same example here.

 

Another thing to consider is the camera angle. Whether or not it was specifically shot this way or intended to be used that way, one camera angle may not show the full story, yet another one would.

 

Besides, how much plane wreckage did we see in New York, from two suicide bombers using airlines?

[BWare 0]

exactly... there was pretty much nothing left of the two huge airliners that hit the WTC. Hell, ther wasn't much left of the buildings (but no one is saying they didn't exist... :roll:). There's a lot of empty space in structures like large buildings and airliners (which are really just pressurized aluminum tubes), and in the event of a major collision, they can easily be reduced to virtually nothing. Interesting example with the spider Leang...

 

Bottom line... conspiracy theorists, just shut up already. You have no point.

[TheBlackOut 7]

You just happen to notice the more conspiracy people are in Europe, People say its the American Government "covered it up"

or the European media is tryin to get a story??

[chickendippers 1]

And yet, all UFO stories only come from America - strange that.

I'd say the only reason that Europeans are more questioning of things is because we aren't fed the same info as all the american news channels say. Watching CNN and then comparing the same report on the BBC is very amusing.

[General Leang 0]

Another possibility is that people abroad want to defraud America more. The sad truth is that there are people who do not like America for whatever reason they might have, and would like to have them taken down with something like them being responsible for September 11 or whatever charges can be layed at their feet.

[Saracen 16]

And yet, all UFO stories only come from America - strange that.

I'd say the only reason that Europeans are more questioning of things is because we aren't fed the same info as all the american news channels say. Watching CNN and then comparing the same report on the BBC is very amusing.

 

True, very true. Our media is more Democratic. We always search for the truth and never instantly swallow what we are told. It may only be a tabloid, but I put my hands together for the Sun Newspaper who are perhaps the only paper that consist of more conspiracy theorist journalists than any other...

 

They've proved a few of America's & Britain's "So-called" facts wrong, I'll say that now. The sun newspaper has made a mockery of our national security and has quite happily run knives and imitation bombs through American Airport security, so therefore making a mockery of your secuity also.... I bet one of our sun journalists could get close enough to the president if they wanted to, and make a mockery of your entire anti-terrorism laws enough to bust your country wide open.

 

But as Chickendippers knows you don't need a journalist to do that. Just any civilian guy from "Fathers for justice" who can wear a Batman suit.. :lol:

[BWare 0]

True, very true. Our media is more Democratic.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

HAHAHA!!!! Oh man King... I had no idea you were so funny! Claiming that state controlled media is more "Democratic" than what we have in the US... oh man that is good. :lol:

 

And yet, all UFO stories only come from America - strange that.

While I will agree that we tend to be more obsessed with that silliness, your claim is absolutely and demonstratably untrue. Oh, well what do we have here... http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/ ...a "Cosmic Conspiracies" webpage based out of the UK! "Strange, that..." :wink:

 

Watching CNN and then comparing the same report on the BBC is very amusing.

Agreed chickendippers. Although probably for different reasons.... :lol:

 

Another possibility is that people abroad want to defraud America more. The sad truth is that there are people who do not like America for whatever reason they might have, and would like to have them taken down with something like them being responsible for September 11 or whatever charges can be layed at their feet.

oh, the brilliant light of reason... right on Leang. The inferiority complex some other nations have manifests itself in these nut-job conspiracy theories (let the flaming begin! I'm asking for it, I know...)

[Saracen 16]

There is a truth behind every conspiracy theory.

 

I know you're patriotic, but when it comes to looking at things from a different non-US perspective, you begin to realise that everything America says, isn't always true.