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Sorry fen was trolling: No "New World Order" huh? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLOUbz8j8k4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8l6Af74rCY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r7htckec-U (Gary Hart 1 day after 9/11) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93zOPbKv-Ic And Henry Kissinger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD3BqK-9ZiU http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/81966 Just a few searches. I suggest you check your facts. Its not a theory; there is a globalist ideology for a single world government, world bank, world heath authority, etc. Politicians, economists and the likes are all openly telling about it and it is planned. Its more an idea; a centralisation of global power into a single global authority. There are groups guiding this through lobbying and inviting politicians to their conferences. Check out the Bilderberg and CFR. Bilderberg: Oh and yay for obama! Socialism for all, whether you like it or not. You guys should have supported Ron Paul why you had the chance [/END TROLL]

"Western governments"? Simply enough every government has committed atrocities. Every government uses the same techniques. Sadly the west have more money which tends to mean we are more CORRUPT. Depends how you view it. Your shortsighted bias for western governments blinds you to the will of the people... See how it works? Easily' date=' see the style i post. You respond with your absurdities and voila. Thats a form of manipulation. ROFL, They are facts. Do you ever UNDERSTAND your own government? Obviously not. So 2 dominating parties of the same alliegence is democracy? You can either vote screw me, or secretly screw me. The mind prison also isn't a form of slavery? No? If democracy existed. We wouldn't have one huge centralised government dominated by corporatists and people who don't give a **** about the people but instead what they can squeeze from them. Common sense of the "official" view? You'd be mistakened. Ego is the greatest destroyer of the human soul and mind. It dominates people and turns them into zombies obessed with "progressing" and "gaining" or "owning." Ego is a person getting high from themselves. And i totally agree with Waraddict view on religion and consumerism.

I think Fen just summed it up Seriously now guys. You are too attached to your opinions. I've literally posted a few small things that really don't have any effect to your life and you lose your heads. You seem to enjoy getting highs from your own personal opinions and act in a superior manner towards anyone who looks upon the world is a different manner. Have you gained anything from these posts or have you infact just developed an attitude that you are all that matters in this world and nothing else. I'll speak in normal "non-bull****" terms for now. You guys take politics far too seriously. You act as if it dominates your life. I was attempting to add a different flow of discussion to these topics but it seems your totally dominated by a view of perfection in minorities with power. You see just the government but you fail to see the open developments of those above it and the wall of bureaucracy just in front of it that hits most people harder than anything else in politics. People nowadays are so confused and misled by politics they cannot be bothered with it. I guess at least i learn something. I've seen how simply idealist posts can turn any simplistic discussion into a rather personal destructive manner, which i found really downing as i thought there would be one chance you guys would post something with a point countering my own rather than "omg you make no sense." I feel i made enough sense, just you have trained your minds to see only black and white. There is no black and white currently, its a sad fact. There is only grey. I think its the reason why many people are "fence sitters." I guess even fen would agree with me on that one. Now for a few picked out responses: Right and wrong are what we make them. We see murder is wrong, thats rather logical. So why do we allow whatever "wing" of the government to send our troops over to places a murder innocent people in the name of suppressing a minority they dislike. I guess you made the laws of "symbols" up then? You so far have shown me a very simple view of human psychological understanding. I've manipulated you so easily its beyond belief. I can't believe you've worked upon trying to prove "what a moron i am" instead of anything else. You've proved nothing except your inability to listen or understand a different point of view other than your own. The sarcasm is a simple psychological show of this, and that is called arrogance my friend. FACT, both parties are dominated and ruled by elite corporatists who are rich or live in a political dynasties, such as the bushes, kerries or even kennedies. FACT, both parties have existed since the beginning of "democratic" america. This simply means they have the same elitist views and stands they've had for decades. This also means the elite of 200 years ago would have great great great grand children here now, who also rule these too parties. The bloodlines and dynasties go on. FACT, all that is different is the "public show," aka policies. Which most of them make no difference anyway because the real intention is in the background. Economical control and authoritarianism is the same path germany went thought back in 1933 when hitler came to power. Mussolini himself even stated that, "corporatism is the first stage of fascism." This clearly means the centralisation of the economy into the hands of a few (in the government, or the governmental elite). The democracy we once "knew" is dead my friend. Fact it. It does not matter who gets elected in 2008, we "lose" either way. Once he did yes. When the western governments sold them to him for short term profit over the lives of Iranians. Then when he went bust we didn't wish to know anymore until we got a reason to go in and open up his oil market. Failing the first time we had to return just over 10 years later which the best excuse yet. "Terrorism." Ok then, i'm going to ask a really really really typical "liberal" response. Where are they then? The downing street memo suggests the intelligence was fixed for reason to go into Iraq. Simple enough. Its like Osama bin laden was the reason to invade afghanistan and hes still on the "run." Seriously i expect violence from a person with the mental age of 3. A kid who is so far up his own arse he only thinks of himself. "I want this, i want that, shut up i don't agree with you." Then they get violence if they don't get what they want. My response to that is get real buddy. Seriously, you act upon a simplistic view that your "truth" is the only truth. Truth is not an opinion, universal truth comes from self, it comes from beyond the 3rd dimension. When you act with a violent nature it makes me feel glad that Freedom of speech isn't valued anymore simply because fascism rules! I roll my eyes in disappointment with what is becoming of our countries due to intolerance and ignorance.

I never said they were CREATED TO CONTROL people, however they are now an effective method of control. "Left" and "Right" do not exist fen. Its a point of view. Point of view is not a PHYSICAL or SPIRITUAL feature of this planet. If i said a 10 legged rat existed and believed in it, does that mean it exists? No, it something made up in the mind. Same with the political scale. Everyone looks upon it like a political control. Either your "right" or your "left." It doesn't function with anything at all in the "real" world. These stereotypes only exist as a faulty logical view to politics in the human mind, however the illusion of them is the control they bring. False restrictions that control policies and politics. To exist as a thought is not a physical existence. That means it doesn't rely on the only control we see on this planet, physics. To exist as an illusion of control in the mind is a prison, which can be called mind control. "right" and "left" simply are not relevent today. I totally understand what you are saying fen but what i'm saying is that they are not physical controls, they are mind controls. The illusion of stereotyping left and right. You'd be amazed how many people say they are "left" or "right" wing it gives them a sense of false identity and destroys the reality of induvidualism and self.

I had to "counter" with an argument you could obviously give a response to. Considering all your responses were "OMG Hybrid your a moron." I don't recall really many decent opinions or responses from you that really supplied a point. You base an accusation on a response you subconsciously wanted in the first place. Sarcasm is a symbol of arrogance, so do you really find it surprising i come to my conclusions as i have? Again, are you the judge of me or yourself? Your blinding view of being all knowing has done more damage for your own "open minded" image of this world. These constant petty disputes of "your this and your that" are beginning to bore me. Maybe if you posted points that would be symbolic to the argument rather than your own fanatic high you may get a far better response from me. Again the choice is yours, i post my view, you post insults. So your dicating that a certain wing is "right" and the other is "wrong." Morals have never come out of politics. All that comes from politics is greed and ignorance. Politics is the greatest divider as it spawns worthless opinions based on the illusional system only those who are trapped within follow. Do you really think it would have mattered if the democrats were elected instead of the republicians in 2000? The policies are what they show the public, thats the act. That is the illusion. Since when have we graded policies for "right" and "left" wing. If you wish me to grade the current neoconservative republican government in the US i say they are leading you rather left wing down towards a communist path. Would you agree? Probably not, because they are rated as a "right wing" party. It's 100% bull****. I'm sorry. Left and right are not PHYSICAL features. They are purely in the mind of brainwashed humans. I use to call myself a "socialist." I was brainwashed into thinking "left wing" was the only way forward. Anyy political discussion i was in i chose to say "NO OMG!!! CAPITALISM IS EVIL." I experienced the stupidity and mindlessness myself. Believing in a system that sets your core views anyway. I no longer look upon the world that way, why? Because i see its far greater than "left" or "right." Simple illusions. The political scale is a mind control, as is most other things within this society. Whats new? Philosophy is the only way to retain an open mind and not close it around belief. We live in too much of a grey society. There is not black and white, only half and half. The truth is hid, the people are misguided. If thats nonsense to you then thats your choice to follow the crowd rather than stand alone and look upon the crowd. Sorry for stating the obvious, next time i'll go into one of your pointless rages. What would you prefer? That i am controlled by my opinions and emotions or i listen and respond to what i've been given. Sadly there usually isn't much, as you guys don't seem to know much on "giving" but rather "attacking." You yourself set up the situations. You can't "blame" me for 100% responsibility when you give pathetic and useless responses that not even a chimp would waste their time responding too. I guess that says a huge amount to me and my amusement when i do respond. So i assume you also need to look up this "projecting." Do you think i respond on a matter of arrogance or a matter of will? I respond to what i've been given. I have not accepted that i'm right or wrong about anything, simply because the right and wrong has not been subjected to enough question or has been supplied by "official sources." My "arrogance" is simply projecting back what i've been shown. Maybe i should be less foolish and ignore that, but i actually enjoy the responding. 1. "There are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. 2. (after no weapons of mass destruction found) "We went into iraq to liberate the iraq people." I could list, i'd rather not. It's pointless. I hate nobody. Hate is what is destroying this world. Bush is doing his job, should i hate him for that? No. Hes doing his job for the world elite to work and bring our world into a singular world state under the UN. Starts with simple domination of the new world market. I would not hate him for that. Hate is a pathetic and useless emotion. It's brought on by fear. What do i need to fear in this world? Nothing. Because when i die, i'm "safe" from it. It's pointless even worrying about the outcome of these actions. It's just best to tell what needs to be told, when it has to be told. Hope is always creative, fear is always destructive. Seems your president is more fearful than I.

"Right" and "left" is not a physical feature. Its a political illusion in the human mind. Since when did god say, "these policies are "right" and these are "left."" It simply does not exist. People get fed up of one side, they decide to switch cheeks. "Right" wingers sometimes look at "left" wing policies. Why has politics become so dominated by whats "right" and whats "left" rather than whats right and whats wrong. I see the sarcasm, i just respond simply because i am unaffected by it. Your sarcasm just proves your arrogance. True, but i wouldn't say i'm any more "enlightened" than any of you. The only thing i realise is my ignorance goes beyond politics and i prefer to counter it with ideal thinking. We are all human, we all are ignorant to what exists beyond our reality, we all prefer to see with out eyes open and minds closed rather than both open. Does this mean i'm more aware than you guys at whats going on? Unlikely. I'm posting my view, your posting yours. I don't see the problem, however you do, which is fault on behalf of your logic, not mine. Thats the only real "difference." I knew what was meant by it, but thanks for summing it up, next time i use a similar quote through getting a "high" of myself, i'll remember you. :roll: Thank you, if thats the only credible argument you can put then obviously i'll continue to speak as it poses a significance to your mental development. Who judges my "credibility"? You or I? Credibility in my eyes means nothing, you'd say my credibility is lacking, but what about the credibility of your government, your president, etc? The constant lies, twisted deceit and wedge of **** they are putting in your bill of rights. I assume thats 100% credible because of the atrocities that happened on 9/11, 7/7 and in Iraq, yes? If your a judge of credibility, i think it would be far less foolish to judge your leaders credibility in world wide politics than my own credibility on a discussion board. I do not have a position of power, I will not cause any death or poverty on my behalf.

I have never acted like i'm superior to anyone, since superior does not exist. Your pulling **** from your own ass now just to try and make a point. Since when did i state that? o_0 You also pulling **** from your arse. Opinons then, yeah? And power also creates opinions too. I agree, but even the class system is a form of control. Money is the biggest control in the society. The economy, etc. Truth is not opinion. Truth is found within. Truth realises that you are really an insignificant being just experiencing life from a 3rd person perspective. If everyone looked upon that level, they would respect others who are also experiencing a life. Self realisation its called. Whether you believe in God or not, its easy to realise that. Everything else would come naturally after that. Gain would no longer be our prime concern. Of course, but the decay is not just due to divisions deep down, it is gains and losses. People are so brainwashed into the view of gain and loss thats all that dominates their life. And from that many "evil" spawns of man appear, such as greed and self centeredness. I'm sure in the next few years when it really begins to take off and people are ransacking your house, you'll be whining too. It's entirely possible, the way we are going currently in the name of "anti-terrorism" it seems any of these ideologies what we previously thought we destroyed in the 1940s are returning to haunt us due to ignorance. Time will tell. Unlikely, people would need to work together. Having a collectivised effort rather than a induvidualised effort would be far more effective. The centralised government has always been a basis of corruption and deceit. It is currently breaking down. You cannot deny the bureaucracy we are viewing today as acceptable, honestly? If you really still believe the people have control over the government then you are most likely misguided. The only way to sort the issue would be to dilute power. Centralised democracy is not a wise idea. Its ok to have a federal government but when the federal government begins to centralise and grapple the constitution in a fist then thats when **** starts to fly. The US is at breaking point itself. How long to you think it will be until some crazy protestor brings out a gun and we have a riot. A few more disasters and lack of management or even another war? This division hasn't been seen since Vietnam, and if people think the "war on terror" is going to stop, they are sadly mistaken. I hope for all our sakes none of that happens, but to me, it seems the every country has a certain point before people start to move, the US seems very near that point. The "elite." What is the denial about the elite? Elitism has existed for centuries, more so in the recent growth of capitalism. How did hitler get into power? By the German elite. The german capitalists/conservative elite. Everyone country has an elite, many are politicians or owners of corporations. Most have the same agenda. WWII decided who would rule the world, western elitists and internationalists or fascists. We won, so we created the UN which dictates its will over the world. Globalisation is centralisation of the world economy, a major part of the New World Orders plans headed by the UN. What else needs to be said, it's all there. Just open your fricking eyes and stop denying "elite." George bush even said, "some people call you the elite, i call you my base." :roll: I live my own life thank you. I trust my own judgement and my own management. Stop worrying about me and my views. If your really that upset about them then theres a block function on MSN

Only a small part of the problem' date=' but of course, two huge bastards. Because i'm sure £700 pound is going to save people who are being exploited on corporate sweat shops so we can just wear cheap clothes, trainers or even cheap imports. :roll: "Behind"? So we are racing now? For what? Are you really as small minded as you sound? Collective Opinion. Its means a mass opinion, huge groups of people who believe their opinion is better than others and enforce their will just because they think they are right. There is no right and wrong in politics. The political scale is a illusion. "Left" and "Right" do not exist. Its not a physical feature, it only appears in the minds of those brainwashed into a divided system. The relationships between people exist but they are breaking down due to greed, selfcenteredness and hatred. Society is not a physical feature of this planet. It was created by us and with it comes power. The power is the illusion. The power is what people get high on and believe they are right and everyone else is wrong. Power causes the greatest divisions. Maybe you should stop using your arse to think and actually use your brain. Its logical fen, nothing more, nothing less. Fair enough, but i meant the whole structure of it as it exists now. Damn, get me some more pills. If people lived by truths rather than materialistic gains then people would learn to respect everyone and function together to move forward rather than work against each other. The limits come from our intellectual capability to function as a community and society not as a "government." Government purely means to "control" its what gives people the rights and wrongs we live today and the falsehoods and injustices of our societies on others. It's entirely simple. You want true democracy, dilute power and bring it down to community levels, not a centralise area which easily leads to collective corruption and fascism. No ****. Thats how society is. Its 100% control, no freedom. You "step out of line" you get attacked like i have on here until you "step back into the herd." And about life, even your right. On this 3rd dimensional world we are controlled by physics, built up by it and our sciences. In conclusion, the control of this society is of the mind and the spirit, not of the body. You imprison the mind, you imprison the spirit. ROFL! What makes you assume i haven't got a job? Are you really that mindless, arrogant and ignorant to assume that? I myself work for a corporation... Dang, those evil bastards have caught me too. It doesn't mean i accept the illusions of life as the truth. When we die, this world no longer exists to us physically, so its foolish to accept anything on it as a truth. Its a 3rd dimensional illusion. Simple enough. Just because i realise that it doesn't mean i won't live this life. I'm here for a reason so i should live that reason. They are working fine for me now just as they have worked for milleniums. The world is ruled by philosophy, it functions by logic and understanding. The physical aspects are what blind us from using our mind. People think "If i can't see it with my own eyes, it doesn't exist." Well i can't see virus' with my own eyes but science eventually proved they exist... Physical relationships exist between people too, but we can't see "love" however we accept it as a truth. Why would it be any different with anything else? The loss is purely yours my friend. I have nothing to lose as i have nothing to gain. I never came here asking for people to "believe," i just came here because its a different point of view to a world with infinite point of views.

Of course fen, but your all not reading what i am saying. Are your minds really that imprisoned you only look at one point of view? That is SOCIETY, our own RULES. Society is just a human illusion created by our intelligence and senses. It's beyond logical. If everyone taught people truths and experience for wisdom and lived by open minded philosophies there would be no need to have "some sort of power." People are taught in falsehoods, we live under a scope of "government," which means to CONTROL. I never said faith was mind control. I myself believe there God exists in an infinite form and forms the infinite universe. Either way religion can help many people, but i'm saying the literal effect of it and the literal view of its reality is to control. I think i've already made a post before on rationalizing your own existence fenny boy Not that i need to be told about this. Faith is good because it leads to stronger hope. Hope is good because it can relight the candles of love and respect. Was i really that puzzling? Holy ****! You hit the nail on the head! Nice one. Of course it was... Wars are not started on opinion, they are started because no one thinks right? Holy **** that is opinion. Everyone being told by the media what their opinions are, what their reality is, how they should live their life, what products they should by, how they should consume their poisoned food or poisoned water supply. Opinion is a wide scope my friend. Are your opinions really yours? Or are they controlled by the illusion of society? Wars are started because of conflict in interests and opinions. Nothing else. Thats what started World War II, hitlers opinion was that his "race" deserved to rule the world, our opinion was that this would interfere with capitalism and we could not let that happen. So you just explained everything i have already said but in more expanded terms? Glad your finally getting me. I will repeat, Opinions have caused more death than any war ever. Opinions cause division in society, they cause others poverty because of ignorance, they cause others to become power and corrupt because again of ignorance. That seems enough and its all i have to say. BTW, why is the 3rd world starving? Whats causing that? Is it their inability to manage their economies? Or is it greedy corporations and elitists believing their will and opinions are far better than those of the people?

ROFL, again it goes back to opinion. I don't wish to hear you say anything, i will only say what i feel needs to be said. I dislike the arrogance of "i'm right, your wrong." I've said before, there are no rights and wrong in human society we make the rules and that power corrupts us. I also dislike the basic view of religion. Religion is a control, as mass control, always has been and most likely always will be however there are far more corruptable things that allow others to misuse power.

Nothings wrong with the UK, i mean i live here for christ sake :lol: The UK has its problems, so does every other society on this earth, why hate it? If you feel for these problems so much why not get out there and try help sort them? Or would that be an ignorant thing for me to say, people don't help others anymore.

How so? Star Wars is great at showing the corruptability of the human soul. Leangs argument had nothing to do with the division of opinion. If i get arguments based on unrelated things what else could i do? Post something that explains a better view of the human mind and soul in a context that everyone understands. Its unlikely that people have not seen star wars, and its one of the best philosophical bunch of films ever made.

Okay, well would you say Hitler would be in heaven? I believe he was religious and is the second biggest monster in history who met his end by committing suicide. Hitler was possibly a roman catholic and to many fascists they supported hitler because they believed in him. Again opinion. I don't see how heaven comes into this. From the christian point of view god judges you before you enter heaven, although personally i believe you are your own judge. If you allow yourself to be ruled by ego, desire and corrupt yourself you corrupt your spirit. It does not mean you cannot refind your spirituality again. Even star wars had that philosophy. Especially with anakin skywalker who was misled by the fear of loss. How can you lose something when you have nothing to gain? Gain is just an aspect of this physical world. Ego corrupts the spirit. At the end of star wars anakin turned back to the light and saved himself.

Yes, but this terrorism is a result not only islam extremist preachers but also western foreign policy and acts. There is so much more to it that one small view. I have never closed my mind to you, i am not trying to persuade you anything as you have with me. Everyone has the right to believe what they wish, don't they? So how would that be a close minded view, considering i've accepted you for your view and only choose to argue points over if i find them relevent to alternative. True, true. I was only trying to state people with belief to the core and usually corrupted by that belief. It would be a lie for me to say i don't believe anything, because i clearly do, i just don't dedicate myself to belief, i'd rather view the world though as many points of view as possible and UNDERSTAND it rather than work against it. They were corrupted by power, that is not a truth of man. Truth of man is understanding self. I would rather conquer myself than the world. Hitler was materialist, so was stalin. It doesn't link to self, it links to greed and power. Misguided nature. If we misguide each other this is how we coming. We believe we rule the world, simply false as nature this year has hit many regions with more hurricanes than ever recorded. The signs keep appearing, they may be "natural" but they show us that ego destroys us. Our own collective ego is evil, mankinds nature is to live as one. I am me, I am free. See where even jesus' philosophy of "I am" comes into it? Accept yourself as you, you are not an image of gains and losses. The ego leads to corruption of mankind. That is your truth. Is it not? The moral code is written on your hearts, so you have to find it inside. The heart is not outside. Outside is the illusion because its misleading. The illusion is the feeling of power, the ego loves the illusion because it makes us feel we exist as physical beings, when its more likely the spiritual being "inside" is only experiencing a physical life. Ignorance is suffering. It may be bliss for one person, but its suffering for millions more. We live in bliss every day, but over the ocean there is a continent called africa that suffers because of our ignorance. Global warming is due to ignorance, sooner or later that is going to cause suffering. Ignorance is suffering, people who believe they don't suffer because they are ignorant are ignorant of their ignorance. Thats a dangerous level to be at. True. Maybe science will prove it one day. I said before my theory in the religion topic, but that got slandered because people refused to read it.

Exploiting of a position for your own gains using religion. Thats extremism is it not? The church have also attempted to constantly cover up these cases. I was just highlighting that its not only islam that has problems. "Far in life"? What ever do you mean? Since when as opinion stopped people moving forward? Seriously, you critise us because you like to have a view you are "sane" but to me your just misled, like so many people. Amazing the antichrist prophecy is slowly moving forward and its most likely intentional. Maybe life as we know it could be coming to an end. Your country is on the brink of civil war, we are on the verge of economic collapse, my country is about to go through the harshest winter known to us for years, and that will cause many problems for the food industry and the economy. There is alot going on. Getting "far in life" isn't my main focus. Ego only destroys personality as it drives people to unbelievable lengths believing there are gains in an illusional society. Belief is close mindedness, believing in anything closes your mind to other possibilies or openings. I'd rather have an open mind by wonder than a closed one by belief. The real problem is ignorance. Human ignorance is the cause of all suffering world wide. We would rather accept materialistic items than see the truth. Opinion causes more death than any war, how is that difficult to see, you just summed it up. We have free will, free will is what gave us the ability to believe we can undermine nature and rule ourselves, if we lived by our truths rather than our gains we would see far more clearly. Morals are a human concept which comes from their hearts. They help us live life without committing atrocities due to gains. The sense of gain and loss through ignorance is where the problem lies my friend. As i said before, its ok for people to believe as long as they do not harm anyone elses free will. I think your ridiculous sometimes fenny. Seriously, locking topics because someones opinion doesn't met yours, what a joke It only becomes what people make of it. Its not a flaming war, but if people act upon their emotion than their gifted intellect, then it will soon become one, which is rather pathetic and pointless. Why argue, cry and stamp your foot over politics, philosophy and economics.