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Thanks for the link, was interesting. I'll research more.

ROFL how wrong you are my friend: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2608713.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2017044.stm Even from an "official" source. It was constructed shortly after the war "ended." Clinton had it planned and then the US embassies in Africa were attacked by Osama' date=' obviously the deal could no longer exist with the taliban in charge. Please stop trying to relate to "conspiracies," the truth is there. If you want to find it, use google. Interesting, i'll have to seach that up. That is very very interesting. It isn't that you don't know what the patriot act does' date=' it is that you do not know if its being misused, will be misused or why it was really installed. There are many questions left unanswered about certain recent events. As for Cindy Sheehan, she works for herself. If she never appeared on the media, you'd never have known of her. Shes a scapegoat for the American Elite. Maybe i don't have such a close-minded view of the military. What you see as a fighting force, i see as a lesson. Simple enough. I've never taken anything for granted' date=' especially when we've just got a weather warning that this could be potentially, the worst winter for the UK. That means we may not have enough supplies to keep electricity running. Means 3 day week work and many business could go bust. This would put alot of strain on an already straining economy. I'm prepared for the worst, you yourself are taking for granted that you will always have freedoms or electricity. Your acting like a fool with your attempt to lecture me. Maybe you need to stop focusing on my personal views and focus on your own. I believe Britain itself should have 2 years national service. Not for war, but for teaching many of the anti-social hoodlums we have here RESPECT. Just as you said. I don't see the military as a tool to steal resources from some poor country that we have already screwed over hundreds of times, certainly not in the context we did. Weapons of Mass Destruction in iraq' date=' it's already been proved it was a lie, because of the common and constant changing of reasons we went into Iraq and many sources such as the downing street memo, which if the truth was know, its probably 100% true. Obviously, freedom of speech isn't respected anymore, so if your against freedom of speech, your "sane." Glad you have support in the sheepish nature of mankind or even man becoming robots. Excellent philosophy there.

Of course i will. When i post i know people are going to dislike it. It doesn't bother me, why should it? People wonder why topics get locked its because they cannot control their emotions. Representing my home in what way? I represent the people of britain, not the government of britain. A majority of the people of Britain were against the war in iraq, who listened? Now everyone is saying "i told you so" and who cares? Seems to me the government is fully focused on its own agenda, democracy is the illusion here.

Do i? So government controlling knowledge isn't a wide enough point for you. Where do you think conspiracies come from? They come from ignorance. Thats right. Ignorance. People don't know whats going on in their governments top levels so are you sure you can trust your government 100%? I know I can't, Blair has pulled enough lies out of his ass. We live in a dark age, we have no knowledge of governmental controls, influences and powers and every day they centralise power more under the scapegoat of "anti-terrorism." Seems extremely dodgy to me. Conspiracies are THEORIES. I've never suggested any of them are true. I raised the points to bring over opinions here, obviously everyone seems to be as far up their govenments arse they have no chance of seeing the light. Tell me where the terrorists are then? We went to afganistan. Killed a few, revived a pipe deal. Job done... That country is still rifeled with terrorists. We never took the country as the whole, just the north, the bit we needed for a pipeline. Your country is not your government. Once you start mixing them up, you fall into the trap. Your constitution is being taken away from you as you speak and you call yourself a patriot. True patriots are Cindy Sheehan, out there, standing up for whats right. The future of your country, the future of the world. Not corporate interests and fascist intentions. Good, fair enough. Military service is good for many people, teaches you a huge amount about life. I only disagree when the military is misused based on lies and deceit. :roll:

So war isn't started over opinions then? Its started because politics doesn't exist right? Opinions make up politics. What are you on? Politics is what starts wars, wars kill people. More than simplistic thinking. Maybe its your simplisitic thinking is blinding you from intelligence. And no problem for the "concise post," obviously it was nessecary to awaken you from your shell.

Sadly i couldn't restrain myself from basic points. If i continue to post here i will try to keep my posts short. Your emotion for your country controls your thoughts. You love your country, most likely, more than yourself. This is why you get angry when people critise it. You must realise your government is not your country, YOU are your country. There is nothing wrong with having love for your country, just don't be misleaded by it. As for the comics, amusing yes But if i was going to do a typical "hybrid" post i'd have to say: The comics symbolise someones opinion. Opinion is the biggest divider for mankind. Opinion has killed more people thoughout history than any collective standard of living. Politics is a dangerous idealogy to attack when everyone lives by it. For example look what havoc i wreaked when i began posting my opinion here.

Earth is a physical thing, its natural. It's stupid to deny evolution. Your evolving now, growing, changing, physically and mentally. Obivously the "completely obvious" missed the clarify, its called progression. You learn constantly through life. A spiritual journey and development. What i was showing is the structure of how you move up and accept responsibility. You then learn more and see more and move further on. Thats the 3rd dimensional prospect. Are you that sure? God = truth Infinite love = the only truth God = infinite love. Figure that out yet? You chose what you believe is real my friend. You make your own reality. You look at your hand, you see it as "real" right? I see cells, particles and atoms. All made with an energy to make up a physical being. How do i know this, we have microscopes to understand it. Before we knew nothing about it, we never saw that it existed, so we had no idea we were so complex. This physical being is one of the most complex on this earth due to the power of its own mind, hence why this physical being rules. Reality is more than what you perceive, there is so much more to yourself than you realise. You just have to find it. Heres the illusion: You were born.... to die... Yes? What is inbetween birth and death is life. What you do with it is your choice entirely. The illusion is you came into this world with nothing, you then start living and thinking you "own" stuff. Do you own your PC? Do you own your TV? No, its earths. Thats the smallest part of the physical illusion. The sense of loss and gain. When you die, you leave this world with nothing. We stand here today, in the center of nowhere? When i do an arrow this way <- its left, yes? This way -> is right. In space, left and right don't exist. The illusion is, just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The illusion is, human rules are not the reality. We have made our own reality and our reality is ever so close minded. We have the power to do more, we just deny it. Deny existence. The reason i do not want to get a grip on "reality" is because its again down to opinion. Your reality is physical, limited and closed; mine is universal, infinite and open. WE make our own realities, we really do have that POWER. That is the POWER of God.

Again its not the ideologies' date=' its the people. I am not a supporter of authoritarianism, as you can tell. Anything that is centralised too much i dislike because it makes me feel the future is uncertain. Thats my own view, i could have pretended there was no problem but something was always in the back of my mind, like a guide to push my through that and accept that we have a problem. The authoritarian centralisation we are seeing is beginning to resemble that of fascism and stalinism, and people wonder why there are so many conspiracy theories about it. One thing i learn from studying history at college, and this is also a famous quote. "Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it." We have forgotten history, WWII, the cold war, deceit from our governments throughout, especially with vietnam. We are facing the same problem we had in WWII, fascist policies, centralisation and control and people can't accept that is happening here. They just cannot bring themselves to do it. I know why, because it means the style of life we are living could easily be over. Again i've said before, i may be a paranoid conspiracist, only time will tell. If nothing happens, i'll drop the "act." Iron Maiden Face in the sand: "Everybody is waiting for something to happen, i see the signs they tell the truth." I see some signs, but the reason i wait is because i'm also unsure about them. We live in an uncertain world. Just don't fear it, understand it. If you understand it, you've already "won" which ever way our paths go. "Socialists" only see socialism, thats why they are closed minded. Before i claimed to be a socialist. Now i claim to be me, because i accept something. The ideologies are too dangerous to dedicate your life too. Its just like becoming a jihadist, its the same for any ideology. Christianity, islam, capitalism, socialism, communism. In this world, i find peace can only be found within, thats why i am like i am. I try to rely on nobody, unless i need too, that way if anything happens, i'm full able to move off or know it was going to happen. Maybe thats why i seem so "mysterious" to you guys. I swear really, i'm a fun loving guy You too my quote too literally. Symbolically' date=' most of my words are of symbolic value, as it means more for the mind. The matrix is society. It is the physical limitations, the control. We are being "coded" by media, by activities, by sport, by anything. Most of it doesn't matter, its not the harm, the harm is who is behind it. The desire is to find truth in the matrix film, is it not? It is the same here. It is an elite union. It was made by America, Britain and France. The winners of World War II, the winners of the battle for ideology. Capitalism - control (us) or socialism - control (nazis). It was made by elite nations. We decided we knew best, so we made it entirely for our own gains. Why does Britain, America and France have permenant seats there otherwise. Why does it not matter that the US went against the UN to invade Iraq but they want to kick Iran out for building nuclear weapons. The UN is an elite union, it would be rather foolish to not see that considering its entire history was built on the outcome of the war.

I'll clarify the points in simplier terms. Remember this is all theoretical. The reason i posted this was because it is relevent to "God." I just thought maybe i posted stuff that would make no sense to any of you simply because its written in a way i would understand it and in my style of thinking rather than the typical "normal" style. Under this, all religions are worshipping the same God. Religion is just a way of understanding god with philosophy. Religion is a philosophy. None are false, none are true, they are just guides to life on earth. If god exists he is infinite. Infinite is unimaginable by the human mind, we know it means forever, but we could not imagine the mass or size of infinite, because it simply is infinite. If this was the case, then God would be exploring himself, and by that the big bang is just the creation of himself, creating the world we live in. The big bang would also be infinite meaning if would happen and travel off into infinite, so there would be "co-inciding" timelines. We exist in 2005, infinite other universes also exist in 2005, others exist in different times, 3000, or 100BC, etc etc. This simply validates the possibility of reincarnation. Self is what Buddhists consider the truth. To find true self is to live in harmony with everything around you. Understanding, morality and life come naturally then, as they should. It is how humans were designed to be, natural and physical beings of this planet. An atheist will deny the existence of god, but not himself. Obviously. However they will also believe in other theories, and all theories would be part of god anyway, if god exists. So ultimately they are believing in god without realising. Let me explain. As you progress through life you learn a huge amount of information about yourself. You start as a child, you fend for yourself only, particular selfish. As your mind and intellect expands you become more aware of others and other peoples feelings. You begin to accept responsibility for your actions and slowly move onto accepting responsibility for others, e.g. in jobs, babysitting, maybe even a family. Later you begin to see the bigger picture and accept responsibility for parts in a community, or even have views for national or international ideals (politics). You have all developed this far into the 3rd dimensional self. The further self then goes on to experience 4th dimensional as in begins to take in information from their senses, (sound, sight, etc). You notice things more, you become more aware. It naturally happens with politics. You begin to accept responsibility for your own role in life, some have this more than others. This is called society. What does this have to do with God or religion? Awareness, i am trying to raise a point that the awareness is enlightenment and you constantly progress and move up the system. That could easily make it possible that there is more to the system that the physical world, i.e. a spiritual one. That leads to the 4th and 5th dimensional structure. Which most of you may consider insane, so i'll stop there This continues from the concepts of the universe, 5th dimensional views. The idea there is more out there and we are just waiting to find it. Science is our way of explaining "God," or whats around us. Science is constantly moving forward. This text was really more for the atheists. One day we may physically prove the existence of god, however its unlikely. We make god in our minds, god mades us by existing. Logical. It says there is no firm conclusion yet on God. There is no reason to argue, fight, blow each other up, fly planes into buildings just over God. It's total and utter bull****. If god exists, we must recognise the possibility he exists and try to find ourselves to see though the illusion of physical life. Even if he doesn't and we find nothing, we still have gained, because we found ourselves, our own voice and begin to understand how our minds and bodies really do work. If god exists, hes infinite. So this is gods way of exploring himself in every possible way (infinity). We are part of him, we are helping god, because we love him infinitely as we love each other infinitely. God is truth, in a symbolic term truth lays in our hearts, we must find it, truth doesn't come to us. In conclusion to believe the illusion of the physical life rather than question the possibility, we deny our very existence, which would be the existence of god. My last quote could also go onto things that you guys would probably understand more. You may not agree with me here but keep your opinion out of it and just think directly on "theory." To believe in democracy (illusion) we are selling ourselves to the people rulling it. We are denying about ability to be intelligent and lead ourselves. We are denying our very existence of intelligence. Get it? I tried to clarify. If you guys don't understand and are fed up with my "mumbo jumbo", then click the ignore button, those who may be interested can simply read it. I won't have lost anything because i had nothing to gain in the first place. Relevence of all of this? God may exist, he may not, we have no certainity yet, (ignorance of humans). But to understand this, then we see all religions are the same, based on the same philosophy and river of life. The fighting seizes and all religions choose to learn from each other. (Yeah i know, what an idealist i am :roll:). Peace out guys

What aren't you getting? Or should i ask, what are you trying to "prove" to me? There are three stages to the enlightenment process: 1. Denial 2. Anger 3. Acceptance I went through it myself, i even got angry over the "lies" of others, but eventually i came to see how simple it was. What i wrote up there is nothing. It is the basis of the basics. Do you think you know everything about life enough to be able to "prove me wrong"? As i said, there is no wrong and right in this world, only truth. Truth doesn't come to you, you must find the truth. If you think it was as easy, then think again, then think again about that thought. Between each thought there is calmness and silence. In between thoughts is self. I see past this crap and fear mongering my friend, it doesn't work on me anymore. If you don't like what i'm saying i am not asking you to agree or respond.

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If God exists, then he exists in one form. Infinite love. If infinite love exists then so does the infinite universe. If that exists then we have had infinite lives before this one in infinite worlds or world lines. We may be repeating a life we have already done before, just in another world line. Self is a key role to spirituality and understanding. Self is you, you are self. If you asked a typical atheist if God exists, they will typically say no. However if you asked the same atheist if they themselves exist, they will say, yes. I have never known a man or women to deny their own existence. We exist, as ourselves, as humans. Collectively, we make a community; that community moulds us and brings us to a higher level of being and view. The community cannot exist, if we do not exist. We are part of that community. Multiple communities that interconnect make a society; we are part of that society. These are the views we perceive on a 3rd dimensional intellectual scale. Our planet earth exists. If earth did not exist, we would not exist, however when we say earth we think of “home.” We are part of earth. On a bigger scale, earth is a planet, which is part of the galaxy. Earth cannot exist if the galaxy does not exist. The galaxy is part of the universe; the galaxy cannot exist if the universe does not exist. How do we know this? Because science has told us, every day science learns more about our existence. Isn’t it entirely possible that if the universe exists, God exists? After all something much larger has to exist for the universe to exist, right? Just because science hasn’t proved it yet, I wouldn’t close your mind around believing God does not exist, because it’s entirely possible he does. You’ve just got to listen to your self. Your “self” holds the entire universe inside your heart; you can find all answers from within. God made us and we make god; we are a part of god. This is God exploring "self." God is truth. Infinite love is the only truth, everything else is illusion. To believe the illusion, is existence in denial.

Yes, it's also a possibility the corruption could be worked and linked together. It happened with the soviet union, why wouldn't it happen in west countries. Don't close your mind, its the worst thing you could ever do. PROTESTORS are not JIHADISTS. They want to be heard, Iraq is the country of the Iraqi population, not the country of a small hand of placed dummies who decide to write about oil distributation in their constitution. Of course it can recover, but maybe its too late to recover. If the economy crashes it will be the Wall street crash mutlipled many times over. It'll be very very destating for all western countries. I totally agree, i hadn't dismissed that, i'm just stating there is much other evidence supporting other theories rather than the official one. We will never know the about 9/11 as there is far too much uncertainity. Philosophiers rule the world... Think about that one my friend. Maybe thats what i'm "guilty" of. I sometimes find myself getting too involved in opinionation. Opinions do not matter in this world. Just remember, even if you come across an opinion or action you dislike, everyone believes they are right, everyone believes what they are doing is right. Right and wrong doesn't exist, morality lives in the human heart, its a human concept. Your not right, neither am I. There is no way to win, arguments continue. Instead i should keep to my truths rather than opinions. Yes i totally agree and i understand the uproar, personally to me i see it as none of my business. The guy is human, his sex life is none of my interest, I don't need models, i lead myself through this life. America is based upon a war economy. What does this mean? This means its a scam right under your noses and the typical American wouldn't figure it out. Most American tax money goes on "defense," this means it goes to the pentagon, the pentagon works with corporations or even themselves on technology to use in war. Some technology furthers onto systems that can be sold on the market to the public. If corporations are involved, money is funded directly into that corporation to develop the technology. Arms firms, typically. The pentagon then takes that technology to use in War or the corporation sells it, if appropriate to the public. More money back to the rich. Every time there is war, a war economy will be boosted and the rich get richer. However ignoring that, the Bush administration has got America into the biggest amount of debt it's seen for a long time, where clintons was above the line, bush is miles below it. Americans and the next generations will be paying this off for years to come. Thats why i said your spending debt not credit. Brown is doing exactly the same here in Britain. If this comes to account, this could affect the economy far more than imagined, as they are spending money that may not even be there. For my next trick, i will tell you your an ignorant fool. Simple as that. See how much opinion doesn't really matter. Get real man. I am free, I am me. Beginning to sound like jesus now... These phantoms exist my friend. There is an american elite, a british elite, a european elite. Who do you think helped Hitler into power in 1933? The german elite. Are you really blind enough to not see the light behind the storm cloud these people are putting over your head, your "opinions" and your view for the future? Materalism never seems to be a desire in my life. I don't really care what i own or do not own, i came into this world with nothing other than my soul, i will leave it with nothing other than my soul. I have the greatest knowledge in this world, that is I am ignorant. You also have that great knowledge, you just have to find it within yourself. Authority is an illusion. Since when did you have the right to tell me your opinions and your conclusions? You simply are a fool. That is your opinion, do not shift it onto me. You are wasting your own time and you even have the cheek to blame me for that. Grow up. I am as free as you to post or not post here. If i wish to post my "conspiracy against my own intellect" i may do so, same as you. The reason i posted here was to bring a different type of "opinion" to these topics. The only opinions i have seen are the ones directly controlled and influenced by the matrix type societies we live in. Your programming does not compute with mine. "A war on terror" is ever so similar to the "Cold War." Don't you think? There is as much westernised fascism in this world as there is islamo-fascism. The UN itself is a fascist resource for these "invisible" elite. "We"? There is no collectivism in a controlled economy and society. Your not working together on this. If the "we" existed in our societies, why did the media run a fear-mongering campaign on the public before the Iraqi wars. To PROGRAM you into thinking there was a THREAT. There is no threat in iraq, there never was. I also like it how you denied your own existence and blamed others for your lack of understanding of your "self." Your are the pawns of secret societies, who capitalise in making out there is a problem. Problem-Reaction-Solution. The problem appears (9/11), the reaction is "oh my god save us" the solution is "lets go to war." The war was intentional from the start. Why do you think i question 9/11 so much? I never came to a firm conclusion, i just said it was possible. Why? Because i refuse to close my mind and rejoin the herd of sheep because of the "sheep dogs." Collectively you are both the sheep and the sheep dog. Following the herd but trying to "save" or attack anyone who is outside of it. Have you ever thought of saving yourself? We are too involved in a society that does everything for us, they bribe us with ease of life and we give in to there every command. When did we forget to work for ourselves and be ourselves. When did we cease being the intelligent beings God made us to be and became the 2nd dimensional sheep being? Where before we grew our own food, it is now done by a minority (farmers) and then sold to larger businesses, who screw the minority (farmers), because they are an easy target. The businesses then add all type of **** to our food that causes health problems because it boosts taste and increases short term profit, and you know nothing about it, just because you were not told. Oh my friend, this "conspiracy" is beyond possible. "The war is continuous, its meant to be continuous" - George Orwell, 1984. America has been in a state of war since its existance: http://www.neravt.com/left/invade.htm Tell me what "reality" is. All the quoted people in their lives were philosophiers. Philosophiers rule this world my friend, your very leaders are philosophiers, your very religions are philosophies, the very society and idealogy you live under is a philosophy. Who is the fool? Me or you for trying to deny the truth when its already hit you in the face 100 times over and you continously ignore due to the fact you cannot accept it's spiritual enlightenment. That spiritual enlightment is, we are ignorant. Of course i was, i never had a response to that. I had to use philosophy, philosophy has got us no where, except accepting our own existence, and maybe, if your religious, the existence of God. :roll: The Reagan age economy is struggling my friend, its a war economy, just as the soviet unions was. The soviet unions economy only collapsed 10 years ago, how much longer can ours hold out? It's called poor management, hurricanes and the "peak oil" put on. It's called screwing the world dry and then picking up the pieces after. Fen relax, I agree with you. It was no his fault entirely. There were certain uncontrollable things, such as hurricanes, then again now i think of it... (i won't say the fact the russians had already developed technology in the 80s that they were using to try and manipulate the weather... Then again it would be foolish to suggest the american elite could have possibly tried the same). Anyway, no it was not Bush personally, the poor management was either intentional or just down to poor management of his administration. Orlando will have a good enomony, its a tourist area. Tourists bring money, tourists spend money. There is also another possibiltiy. You may work for disney or maybe even another corporation. Corporations have money, because corporations rule the economy. Either way, the economy is in a bad part, i hope it recovers, because i wouldn't like to see what happens if there was a full crash, but there is always the slight possibility other events could happen that may bring the economy down further. Hurricanes, earthquakes anything. Lets just hope it doesn't. Negative energy does no good for the earth anyway. I say shoot you. :roll: Show some respect for christ sake. The women lost her son and your saying shoot her because shes doing what she thinks its right. If you are so against her, get out and protest against her. You are no judge, you have no right to judge her. "We." Your government doesn't represent you when its killing people, unless you wish to be associated with murder. I believe the best bet is to free the economy, let the people back in, open the government, let the people rule again and then we have a society free of fear and humanity can progress rather than fall further into spiritual anarchy. Team America... Gotta love that film. This is the type of attitude that the film is based on. "America, **** YEAH!" Nationalism rules! It only allowed Hitler to kill 6million jews in WWII. One day, when mankind is spiritual and true to itself again, we will no longer need government and physical rules. We will return to the "garden of edan." The government is not your nation. YOU ARE. The world governments are destroying national identity, it only means one thing, a world state. If the american government said tomorrow, "lets make a world state" i assume you would do it "for america," even though america would no longer exist. That is communism my friend. Neoconservative communism. I take it your a patriot yes? If so, why are your allowing your constitution to be ripped away from you? Patriots defend their country, not their government. Otherwise that would make them no better than saddam loyalists. See the logic my friend? Your America today, their america tomorrow, unless people begin to wake up by mental and spiritually. I take it "protesting without a permit" was not a big enough wake up call for you? America is not the mastermind, i think you'll find its more related to secret societies called the Jesits and the Illuminati. The Winsor family of Britain are a major bloodline in one of these orders, if not both. I take it you support the hate bill that squashes certain aspects of freedom of speech in your country. Believe me, i have the up most respect for the men and women risking their lives in this war. There are no win or loss in my mind. The loss is permantly yours, no matter the result or conclusion.

Because its only fair to allow people to follow their hearts and their minds. Indoctrination doesn't provide any justices in any education system. I was taught at a catholic school and they didn't force religion onto us, they just explained the views of catholicism. A religious school doesn't always have to be a place for indoctrination.

I believe he was being sarcastic in most of his points. I can't remember the building name' date=' but there was a building in spain which was burning inside at 800degrees plus. It had a distinct red glow of the steel. The trade centers did not have that, there was no glow, many credible scientists suggest it was infact 400degrees. The building in spain stood for 8 hours, the trade centers only 2. Odd really considering it was designed to take a hit from a boeing 767. The camera bolted to the floor quite a while away had a rather distinctive shake, as if there was an underground explosion. 5 seconds later the smoke inside the building changes colour (turns black), 10 seconds after that the structure collapses. A univerisity (i can't remember which name now), collected siesmic data charts that proved there as possible underground explosions or activity before the towers collapsed. I'll take a look for a few links. It is entirely possible the buildings were demolished. It's like WTC7. It never collapsed, so they decided to pull it. They cleared the site on the same day, that is ridculous, it's hardly possible. Either the bombs were planted BEFORE the attack or... I can say nothing else for it. WTC7 also collapsed in a very distinctive way, the same style as WTC1 + 2 did, straight down, like a controlled demolition. Who knows? What happened that day was an atrocity and it was used in such a way i'm surprised people in the government haven't been hauled to court for it. Bureaucracy rules, great eh? Are you missing something? We cancelled the local elections in most areas in Iraq because it was "too unsafe" and then we decided to rule with an "iron fist." Our troops have been killing innocent protestors because they were a "threat," as in they might make people see through the bull****. Thats not democracy. It's not democracy either when only a small amount of the population voted. What you have there is almost a sunni dicatorship, and you wonder why people are angry? We have royally ****ed up Iraq, democracy is Iraq is most likely doomed. We'll just have to keep optimistic for now, but who knows what the hell is going on in Iraq. It's been said before, but its pointless. If he was a CIA agent then they could continue to use the Al qaeda as the people behind the terrorist attacks. This isn't about bush anyway. The office of president is the protective area for the elite. They put the puppet out as president, when **** goes wrong he gets hit, the elite are still high and dry. People still fail to see the real bureaucratic system behind it. The democracy is an illusion. I'm not sure how accurate that is, but every president and administration before Bush, even his fathers, has managed the economy far better. America is in debt. You think thats money your spending? The "credit" in your hand is infact debt. Its like an IOU. Sames happening in Britain, thanks to browns big spending gap. I tell you, if we do survive this economic crunch then it'll be the next generation paying back everything this generation destroyed. The president is the puppet, the elite rule the game. The elite are a group of people, either from secret societies or corportists. The neoconservative agenda rules a majority of the elites heart. Neoconservatives are not infact right wing conservatives more of left wing totalarian Trotskites. The corporate centralisation of the economies in the west was the first step, the 2nd step was globalisation of the economy. Under that the UN could work to bring a new world goverment. "New World Order." The UN is also an elitist tool. If the theory is correct, these plans have been in motion since the end of WWII, the cold war was a put on for control and distraction. Bush was not trying to gain, hes just doing what hes been told. Project for New American Century is just a subdivision group of this huge world govenment. Project of the New American century is another extremist group, 2 key players of it are Cheney and Rumsfield. I have no idea what got into Blair after september 11th, but its obvious he is now also involved in the PNAC (globalisation campaign, to centralise the world economy and bring a new government). The New World order. If you really look into it, the entire evidence is there. Its all there, you just need to open your eyes and see the motives. We could be so easily heading for an attempt to create a global fascist/communist state however we have our heads so far up our arses we wouldn't even notice until a century after it had been done. Neoconservative agenda and mansonry groups could possibly rule america. Would we know if they did? No because out in public their illusional image is shown, but behind the scenes they hold a knife just above the back of humanity. This is the same guy who didn't even both to respond to Katrina for a few days? Bush is a puppet, its plain and simple. Hes not a mastermind, hes just the puppet to take the rap incase any of these plans fail. Blame it on Bush. Amazingly in his presidency 2 of the 3 things that are suggested to happen already have. A major terrorist attack on the United States, a hurricane hitting New Orleans and flooding the city. All that needs to happen now is an earthquake in California. Maybe people are wrong, maybe he is a good man. Time will tell as pressure builds. Considering the constant reports from White House employees about him being abusive and a drunk. Remember, what goes on behind the scenes we do not see. That way we are kept in the dark, ignorant and unable to prove much at all unless we really go for it. Clinton was just as bad too. I can't see why people were do distracted by his sexual relationship, to be honest it was no ones business. Clinton again was just another puppet, he did what he wanted with his own life, just made sure when hes out in public, he acted on behalf of elitists and their ideologies. One thing clintons administration did do right was recovered the economy from the previous Bush administration. Most likely Rice or Clinton? Man what a choice.... I actually agree. Maybe its because no one is listening anymore. Why would they? Maybe a distraction is not needed as fear rules the roost at this time. Fear has played a major game for these people during this administration. They've profitted from the uncontrolled emotions of the sheep below. Sames happening in Britain... Oh no, a bomb goes off in London... Baaah, Save us Tony, Save Uuuuus. Currently my own view is the world is going through a major spiritual and enlighting shift, i'm sure many other philosphiers also believe this. People are becoming more aware and realising the faults of their governments. Fear is used to try keep people down from this, but as people slowly become immune to fear by seeing the threat is just an illusion created by the "game masters" they will grow spiritually and find their emotions are not what matters. If your ruled entirely by your emotions, people can exploit that, there needs to be a logical view to the world. This shift could be happening, times are changing. Only time will tell whether the shift really exists.

I do agree. Even wise people like Buddha said: "Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace." However sometimes it takes more than short answers, people manage to manipulate your words. Again its down to opinion and views. The reason i posted the points was because the possibily remains. Maybe i should quit these long essays, no body is getting the points i'm trying to make, they prefer to make their own mind see them shallowly. If you want to really take in my points, you need to look upon my words deeply. Ignorance has made anything possible, thats why you should never believe anyone unless you have a major understanding of how the world works. In this view, I am always like a child, i seek knowledge and wisdom to constantly learn, i try not to close my mind around anything. I try not to come to conclusions, its best to leave people to come to their own conclusions, if they wish. My friend, i've been there done that. The conspiracies i "dwell" upon are the ones that involve potential secret societies. As i said before, it would be nice to see these conspiracies proved false but whilst they are still at large, i refuse to close my mind around any possibly. Time will tell, if certain conspiracies are true, we will know about it by 2012, if not then i will forget my foolish acts in the past, learn from them and live a life like a "normal" person. Maybe so. 9/11 its unlike we will know the truth. Most people see that it doesn't matter what happened that day, it was an atrocity. The government "won" they got their wars, they got their money. Innocent people lost their lives. Thats the tragety here. If i've learnt anything from this topic, it is that the conspiracy theories don't matter. The tragety is we are being too distracted by falsities. Anyway I'm spent, i have nothing more to say, the comment above closed me down, if i say anymore i'll be opening myself to comments once again. This isn't my typical style. Usually i prefer to anaylse situations rather than explain "my view." As with the "current situation," Time will tell. Peace out guys. Good night.

Anger is a pointless emotion. Are you angry because you fear religion? As Buddha said' date=' "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned." Right, fundamentalists, do you think they are a majority of people who follow religions or minority? Religion connects people to God, it connects people to higher self and understanding. Only when its abused it becomes "bad," thats not religions fault, thats the fault of men. Drop the bull**** nationalism' date=' it gets people really far. "You hate america." Last time someone with that attitude got in power there were jews being murdered by the millions. People don't hate countries, they dislike governments. Governments do not represent the country. 500 men could not represent 260million people. The typical bull**** "people who hate America" is a comment from someone who doesn't see the world for what it really is. Countries are powerbases over people. It's always been like that, how do you think empires worked? It's impossible to hate a country, heck its impossible for me to hate anything, because hate gets you nowhere. Hate is destructive, love is constructive. I've said before. Hate only causes more hate. Love neutralises hate. Of course you do, if the official story is true, then fair enough. But again there is a huge amount of speculation about the official story. "Why don't i accept the hard truth." Because its impossible to accept truth that doesn't exist. The only truth i accept is that everything is infinite love, everything else is illusion. Who are the terrorists? Your government or Osama' date=' or both? The terrorists are in the same league my friend, it doesn't take much to realise that. Lets go back to the original theory, 9/11, 2 hijacked planes crash into the WTCs, the collapse. Now the patriot act is installed which allows ridiculous amounts of your freedoms to be breached. Ever since that day they've been pushing legislation through. People have been looking towards iraq and in the background out comes new legislation. People in some states, now need a permit to protest. I mean What the ****? Thats against amendment I of your constitution. I'm british and even i know thats illegal for the senate in the US to do that. Lets go over the events on 9/11 so its not just a date. 2 planes crashed into 2 world trade centers and another one crashed into the pentagon. Almost 3000 innocent people died that day, since then we've had 2 wars, where 2000+ american soldiers, most of them in their teens or 20s died fighting for "freedom." Home has become more police state each day, people are being abused under laws that shouldn't even exist. Cindy sheehan is one of them, no matter how much you dislike her or her protests. Nothing good came out of 9/11, all negative. Shouldn't we have learnt rather than do more damage? True, but your niieve if you think war is just about that. NO COUNTRY in history has every gone to war unless they gain something from it, that applies the same in WWII. Don't be a fool, the lies from the bush administration have been proved false time and time again yet people still believe them. The evidence is there, your not going to find it sitting on your couch watching controlled media that tell you what your opinions are. Am I? Or am i in one place? This isn't as complex as you think, the only reason i appear all over the place is because you see the world as a huge thing, the world is a small spec on the bottom of God's right hand, there is still a whole entire infinite universe out there. The world is nothing, its most likely just a part of your spiritual journey. The 3rd dimension. Life is what you make it my friend. Your opinion is what you make it, opinions really don't matter in this world, when your dead, no one will care about your opinion, because it no longer exists. Opinions is what divides us, love is what connects us. ROFL, hello this is 2005 not 2003. There were no weapons of mass destruction. They were gone. The ones we sold them in the 1980s, were gone. As for sheehan, shes being used by both sides, like it matters. She has her opinion, you have yours. Is she an idiot because she thinks differently from you? Not shes still human. I think you should learn to accept her and not be intolerent. She standing up for a cause, she feels she has the responsibility of america on her shoulders. Thats a great place to be in the 3rd dimensional world, because it gets you moving past the illusion. Amazing, so M15 and CIA don't work together then? It wasn't possible that "facts" were fixed around the subject? No? Even the downing street memo suggested that. I wouldn't close my mind around one idea yet. Maybe so, so lets invade iran and syria, whilst we are at it the rest of the "axis of evil", north korea and china can go too. Obviously 1991 didn't happen then? Please, i don't want to offend you but your again focusing on America. This isn't just america. All elites work together, the UN, Europe, British, American. Oil is not an infinite resource, people will get nasty when its needed, they will even lie for it. Materialistic societies, got to love them. You control the oil your going to make the profit, you can make a peak oil put on to scam people. It's all about control. Control oil, your controlling the most valuable resource currently in the world. That gives you POWER. What you want me to come to a conclusion? The elite misled many nations into war, its not difficult. The media is playing the same scare mongering game currently with Iran. No, i'm a "man of the people." I agree governments are needed to keep order, but today its too far, they are too powerful and the people are too ignorant to know. If thats not a problem with you, thats fine with me. My views are my views, i'm not asking anyone to agree with them. Giving a small minority people power over a majority is dangerous, but people don't care, they are far to lazy in the modern world to give a **** about their kids being taught bull**** at school, or being slaves to corporate/fascist/communist agendas. I dislike ignorance, its the root of all evil within man. I guess thats what the Buddhist ideology there. I'm sorry, i never intended to go into politics, i am usually a man of philosophy, sadly when i posted here i didn't realise everyone would want materialistic responses. I'm fed up of materialistic reponses, they ruin everyones mental and spiritual development. Materalism is when people think they have something to gain or lose to another person, its how our societies are structured, it causes so much ignorance and greed. Again its a matter of opinion. Maybe a few quotes can end this post: "The American people should be made aware of the trend toward monopolization of the great public information vehicles and the concentration of more and more power over public opinion in fewer and fewer hands." - Spiro T. Agnew "Lies are told only to convey to someone that one has no need either of him or his good opinion." - Theodor Adorno "In a controversy the instant we feel anger we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves." - Buddha

Iron Maiden - The Thin Line Between Love and Hate Maiden > All

Don't know what song that is, but it probably hits the nail bang on the head.

ROFL :lol: Thats beyond amusing and nasty

LOL, true. Even though i think the guy has the right idea, EA has become too consuming in the gaming industry. The film industry is already dominated by corporations, look how many ****ty films come out, we don't wan the same with the gaming industry.

I was speaking to everyone in general, i saw a few comments suggesting that all war is related to religion, which i found a ridiculous claim. Oh fenny, yes i'm pulling stuff out my arse again, obviously if i pulled it out of your ass i'd get "OMG!!!11 Thats not possible *do you realise i'm being sarcastic :rolleyes:" I love you too you, fen, old love bug

LOL' date=' I don't intend on being "right" i prove nothing to myself from being praised, i just wish to share the logic and understanding i have come to over the last few years. Eve was ignorant when she ate that apple, she ignored the warning, she was misled by her darkness, desire. The snake in her mind. Satan may also be a literal being, but there is also a symbolic meaning to him. People who hide in the darkness away from the light are living in hell, life is hell unless you find the truth. The truth can only be found within, we are ignorant, ignorance cause all "sin" and all problems in this world. Once we realise we are ignorant we can work at reconnecting our minds to our spirituality. It's likely we will be seeing this during this decade. The 2012 prophecies are going to be interesting indeed, we are going through a spiritual shift, all the negative energy from people will cause a huge amount of destruction in this century. Thats what many people are coming to see as a possibility. Shes an antiwar scapegoat, someone both the "liberals" and "republicans" can relate to. She fuels the conflict between the 2 "sides" making deeper illusion of difference and divide. The divide doesn't exist, there is no divide, 1 elite can easy split into two parties, when that happens democracy becomes and illusion to the people and the elite rule no matter which party wins, Democrat or Republican. "Liberal"? How did you come to that conclusion. "Liberal" doesn't exist, its an illusion of being in a collective group, a party, a stereotype. The media is controlled and funded by various of organisations and corporations. You control the media, you control peoples opinions. I hope so, it would be a tradegy if there was. I believe something will happen that will limit the west from going into another war in the middle east. The writing is on the paper, but i doubt it will happen. They are trying to stir up support for another war right now, look at the media, this bull****, "Iran is giving weapons to Iraqi insurgents," "iran said wipe israel off the map." Who gives a **** to he honest what the president of Iran said? Because its a corrupt war, you are not fighting for your country. This is not like WWII, where you were fighting for freedom. Your now fighting to make rich men richer and poor people poorer as well as giving these same people and governments control over resources, which again means they can screw you further. To accept it would be a ignorant thing to do. All problems caused by man, must be solved by man, we can easily solve these problems, we are just too lazy, selfish and ignorant too. Hard Times or not, if economy starts failing now and bad **** starts happening then that "hard time" will become significantly noticable for all people throughout the world, not just the west. Everything is questionable, every choice and intention is questionable but i do agree, we aren't in a fascist police state yet, we just need bird flu and a few more atrocities to happen and we will be well on the way. The bill of rights in the US is being totally destroyed by this "current administration." Thats the only good thing that came out of this war, it still depends on what is really going on in that country though. Schools are places for indoctrination, they always will be, no matter who you have in power in this type of government. Republicans, communists, socialists, liberals. To free schools means you have to give schools the power to teach what they wish and the teachers to teach what they wish, sadly that gives other vulnerabilities. Education is a primary reason why the world is like it is today. I find people foolish putting themselves in groups. I'm a republican, i'm a liberal. They are both the same people, rich elitists who come from rich families. If your not rich you don't get into the governmental elite. Keep the money in the family. You've got a government elite, 2 parties. Liberals and Republican parties are just like the British Conservative and Labour parties, same people, just an imagery illusion. People love to fight each other in politics, its a great way to distract the people from the truth. Divided nation cannot come together to conquer the real problems within themselves and their own country. The elite are free to reign, the people lose, the rich power hungry win. Democrats and republicans are the same people. You both have national idenities, American. You should care for the american people, not who rules your government. Thats what democracy is about, the people, not the government. This currently democracy is an illusion, and your playing the game and falling into the set trap. What shocks me is America use to be the land of the free, everyone use to want to live there, now its just become another member of the empire. Conquering for its own gains rather than living in freedom. If your a republican, why are you sitting by an allowing your government to take your republic from the people? Same as the liberal democrats, why are they sitting by and allowing the government to take the democracy from the people. Both parties need to exist to have what america is meant to be, a free nation. They should work together not fight. You are more powerful united than you are divided. When your divided your government rule you and we have the current situation of the unknown. Bush is the scapegoat, if America falls and there is no longer a world superpower, all havoc will break loose. Strange how all these "secret societies" and their plans are actually coming together nicely in the current world events, people just choose to not see that there is a real possibility these groups exist and these groups could infact have gained power centuries ago without anyone knowning. Infinite love is the only truth, everything else is illusion. We are all being played.

This is going to be interesting... That is the illusion my friend. Just because you see something with your eyes' date=' it doesn't mean what others tell you that happened actually happened. Don't be misled by your senses, there are totally different levels of consciousness that your senses cannot help you perceive. You were on the planes? You managed to see the terrorists, jump out the plane before it crashed and land safely on the ground i assume? How do you know those planes were not remote controlled? The technology exists, what's stopping that? I know i know, i better say something before i get called the totally obvious... It's predictable by people that refuse to see there are other possibilies. I'm not saying to believe conspiracy theories people, i'm saying don't believe anything unless you know the real truth. Sadly in "times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." Incorrect' date=' i theorise that you have knowledge i don't... It was sarcasm for the point that we really don't know anything, so it would be foolish to make decisions and conclusions on the current falsifable evidence we have from "official" sources. "Islamists" is a word to use catiously, its like saying the invasion in iraq was an attack from Christians. Maybe religion is the target however, if you want to dismantle religion, then you just start conflicts between them. It wasn't just america' date=' you assume i'm talking about america. I'm talking about my own country too. Britain. As well as a few european countries who gained from Iraq. It was not just for oil, war itself is a business, when you go to war you have an excuse to take tax money from the people and give it directly to corporations, as they "develop technology." War is a scam, it is always a scam. The bush family helped fund the Nazis back in 1940s, they made millions from them too. With war, the people lose, the rich win. Yes, but the "official" story also comes from a government which we have to theortically believe they are all telling the truth, the majority of the time thats false. We have seen that for the reasons to go to war in Iraq. I can't believe you have so much faith in power hungry corrupt rich men that you do in your own equal people. The people always lose in these societies, remember that. It will continue through this decade.

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