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I think after i ended my previous post it would be foolish to repond to this, but i'll choose the foolish path this time. I'll ask them when they catch me... Your defensive of america. Are you american? I'm simply amazed why you would defend a country. Countries are just power bases over people. We are all people of the earth, not people of america, china, england, europe. We are people of planet earth. Why do we choose to view ourselves as people of countries? These "conspiracies" aren't just america. They are European, British, American and the UN. Heck i knew it was foolish to respond to this post. I've just made it sound as if i have a firm conclusion. I do not have firm conclusions, i research, i gain more knowledge, i post and gain more experience in discussing all these ideas with people. That way i gain wisdom, may be little, but its good to have. Wisdom does not give firm conclusions, it gives people the ability to think freely, creatively and openly. No one knows anything. Thats the problem? Don't you see that as a problem? If you don't then you really need to find a better perspective to how your mind is being exploited for gains of greedy men and power hungry groups. You make out you do know something though, so i might ask a general point. Are you a member of the american government? Do you know something i don't? Would you like to share that with me? Obviously as no one knows anything except those within the various organisations that rule this world, we cannot make firm conclusions on whats really going on. We can only imagine and keep an open mind. Once you close your mind around a belief, any belief, whether that is the official story to 9/11 or the existance of god, you blind yourself to all other possibilies, all other truth. That is ignorance and to say ignorance is the way forward, that is a crucifix with a mans body hanging off it. I'm sure you know what type of anology i'm going for there... Nobody knows the truth. I'm sure there are high ranking members in the elite who still do not know the truth. If you do not know something you are ignorant. Ignorance is the problem, to accept ignorance is the disease eating away at mankind. This is where these conspiracy theories come from. As long as we have a centralised government and a centralised economy, we will forever fall victim to our ignorance. The peace movement is including the number that died, i'm quite sure the "peace" movement isn't sending any money to terrorists or tax money into iraq to fund those soldiers dying... The peace movement is the scapegoat of the elite, the elite is the scapegoat of the peace movement. You choose an enemy, you've again become ignorant. The enemy is not the peace movement, it is not the elite, it is ignorance itself. For people to begin enlighting themselves again, they must accept that the truth is not known, they must be ready to accept whatever truth comes to them. When enlightment reaches a certain level, the elite can no longer exist anyway and the peace movement can neither exist as there is no reason for war. Sadly this would have to be done on a collective scale, and thats very unlikely. We failed to learn from our mistakes in WWI, WWII so we are condemned to repeat it. Watch whats unfolding here, look at the signs. Open your eyes and your mind. We are heading for the biggest **** off war mankind has seen. And it could start with civil wars within our own countries. Then again... I hope i'm wrong. I would like to be proved wrong, but the signs i see are pointing towards it. Time will tell. Huge essay over... I'm now off to bed.

No, but obviously what happened before it was a key factor into it. You know? The American funded Iraq/Iran War? The ones british, american and european corporations gained from again. The one that ruined Iraqs economy to the point it's civilians were suffering. Then they found Iraqi oil was now being undercut by Kuwaiti oil, so they invaded. We then had a good plan and invade them. After we decided we'd wait 10 years, pull out and get the elitist UN to install santions on them which caused more suffering. We've done a good job in the middle east. We've screwed it dry and now we decide its time to control it, obviously that way we can bring in fascist states quicker. Anyway, the reason i posted here was not to cause a disagreement. Over the last few years i've had enough political arguments stating my opinions. The truth is opinions don't matter and they will never matter whilst we are ruled by elites and bureaucracy. I posted here to highlight points that there are other alternative theories to whats really going on. I gave up on politics long ago, i've ever amazed myself i got in so deep trying to explain pointless and useless points. Philosophy explains all about the world. America, Britain, Europe and the UN are all together. Its a huge elite. They rule this world, what they say goes. If they decide they want to bring a fascist state it happens. Since WWII they have bribed people with better lives and better living to the point people no longer question the governments. This is why this decade 2005 - 2015, will remain noticable to human history for a long long time. We are in a very dark period, we no longer know what goes on inside our government, we no longer see the full picture, they tell us what they want and we shovel it down like its the truth. It's probably far from that. Its more likely the truth is the opposite. I think people need to stop believing and start questioning. Questioning only brings you to knowledge and past events, past evens brings you to understand, understanding brings you to choice, choosing a good or bad chose helps you gain wisdom. Wisdom is what mankind needs at this hour, not arguing over politics. Politics was designed to divide public opinion anyway. If the public are fighting each other over politics, they won't bother questioning where the real problem lies. The elites, who are now far too powerful for the good of the world. My two cents, peace out guys. Good night, don't let my "conspiracy theories" turn you all too much into heavy paranoid maniacs like myself

For sakes of argument, if a conspiracy existed, it wouldn't be that complex. It would be more likely 9/11 was either allowed to happen or was set up (hence the shaking ground at ground zero on the day when 3 bombs were reported to have went off in the basement... Oh yeah, they never went back to that story. Research that, because there were 2 reporters who reported that on the day, then it was never show again on the air.). Iraq was planned, why would they have invaded it in 1991 if it wasn't? Daddy didn't finish the job, so good old junior will become the 2nd puppet of the elite to try achieve the job. I could go into detail, but you wouldn't accept it as what i could say would seem absurd. I believe people need to start questioning their government now, people need to start thinking and researching themselves. Don't believe anything anyone tells you, thats how people end up controlling you. Thats why communists came to power in 1917 in Russia, thats why the nazis came to power in 1933 in Germany. I find it ridiculious that people can't believe their government could ever be corrupt, after all that happened in the 20th century. If people don't start researching about things whilst they can, they will never know the possibilies and truth that could lie out there. BTW in Iraq 2 british soldiers got arrested a few weeks ago, although the reason why was kept out the media. They had to bust them out of jail. Now what we know is these soldiers were driving a car (not sure if it was jeep), they were in normal civilian clothes. Isn;t it possible cars could be planted with bombs just to give a reason to stay in iraq. It is, problem is no one knows. As i said, you can either believe or not believe. I choose not to believe. I choose to realise that there are possibilies of both, i choose to realise i'm ignorant, i will always be ignorant, the world is too big to know all. Only God is allknowing. I am a human being, not God. I don't think i said bush is the devil. The devil is symbolic for human ignorance. It is what causes all suffering on this earth. It is what we mistake as knowledge and that is why live of earth is like hell currently, because the truth is replaced by ignorance rather than wisdom.

True, we had hindsight from what, the 1980s? So why did we decide to go to war in 1991 and 2003? Here comes that history repeating itself again. I wonder why that is. Maybe because humans are good at accepting false knowledge and rejecting true wisdom. Every move had a great idea behind it, true. Thats why we are in this mess, that is why this mess is going to get worse. That is why this decade is going to be one of the harshest decades mankind has ever seen. We can stop it, but we won't because we are all fools. We've been misled by the devil himself. Ignorance. we chose the easy option, every day we follow the easy option its harder to get out. Maybe so, maybe not. Your not sheehan, you don't know what shes thinking. Again this is your view fen, your opinion. Opinions don't count in this world. They will never account whilst we have false democracies based on minority groups and centralise corporate systems that are slowly beginning to represent those fascist and communist systems everyone "worked" to eliminate in the 20th century. Uh ho... History repeating itself. Tales from the time loop. Sheehan is an elite scapegoat, your focused on hating her because she lost her son and is grieving and the real criminals in government are getting away with murder, literally. I assume George W Bush is an attention whore too? Best bet, cut the media, people might start thinking for themselves that way. Or maybe they would be lost because their beloved government isn't telling them how to live, **** and piss. I never said they were. You seem angry fen. Turn on FOX News, get some more opium for the masses. Thats the true dope. The only reason Cindy is on news is because they choose to follow her, the elite choose to have her as there antiwar scapegoat and she chooses to play right into their hands. But shes also getting results fen. Hence why when the western economic struggle and possible collapse really begins to show, people will not sit on that arses anymore.

I've never stated i would know. No one does except those who did the attacks. You can either believe the official story, believe a conspiracy or believe nothing. It's best to believe nothing, because then you will not be misled by either sides or parties. After all i remember a famous philosophier said, "to realise our knowledge as ignorance is best, to realise our ignorance as knowledge is a disease."

Thats exactly what i meant

Iraq was a mistake from the first day. Iraq was a mistake when they already had it planned before 9/11, iraq was a mistake back in 1991, iraq was a mistake when the CIA helped saddam into power. How many mistakes did it take to see that the 2003 war was also going to be a mistake? People who forget history are condemned to repeat it. Vietnam over again i think, your seeing mass civil movements and protests. Don't fall for the media bull**** about cindy. Why don't you guys pick on the random protester, telling them that they are selfish and arrogant because they are protesting. Get real fen, your attacking cindy because shes in the media spotlight, if she never got the spotlight, you'd never have known who the **** she was and what the **** happened to her. You'll never have cared, why do you feel so strongly about her now? You do realise thats exactly how the american elite wins, by exploiting emotions and using scapegoats. The government is the same thing, they disguist their motives with things people want to hear. If they told their true motives there would be a revolution. Best to keep people in the dark, after all, ignorant people never find the light unless they search for it. Iraq was a mistake correct, Iran will be a mistake, so will Syria. Or are we gunna have to wait until America is in civil war to realise that? I support cindy because she isn't selfish, shes working against the greed and arrogance that is both the British and American governments. The corporate elite of Britain and America should have thought about Iraq when they ordered the CIA to help him into power, they didn't because they knew they could use saddam to achieve what they wanted with Iraq.

Fen with you i don't know how many "too many" is. It's more likely he signed up and you just banned him in one of your random rampant fascist banning sprees. Nah seriously now, what the guy do, how many chances is "too many."

Jesus, fen you evil bastard, give the guy a chance.

Wars only happen when people (generally the elite in a countries government) want something. The only real war that i see as worth fighting was World War II. A country does not go to war unless they get something from it, like a resource or more power. Religion is usually totally disconnected from war. You cannot say a small governmental elite can represent the views of millions of people in a country. That would be far from the truth.

If you guys really think the american elite gave a **** about Saddam Hussein, your probably far from the truth. I'm sure a majority of Iraqis are happy that Saddam is gone, heck i would be when you have a fascist dictator ruling you, but that was never the real reason for the Iraq War. Since the Iraq war began, American/British corporations have brought in billions from oil, technology and anything else they can mislead the people into believing. Personally, I think Cindy Sheehan is doing a great job, it was about time someone stood up and defended innocent people and exploited families children from being sent into war zones made for greed and corruption. You do realise a DRAFT in the US is likely if Iran or Syria are the next targets. Think about it, you are not fighting for freedom or your country, your fighting to make rich men even richer and give the world elites more control and domination over peoples lives and minds. Then again, I guess Cindy Sheehan is a criminal because she cares about people who die in bogus wars for power and control. The protestors may be seen as extremists, but the people who lead our governments aren't extremists. No they are all good men working for the good of mankind, they would never exploit peoples fears for power, domination and control. That would be impossible. The problem with staying in Iraq is the "terrorist attacks." The US/UK are now seen as an occupying force, because that is exactly what they are doing. The "terrorist attacks" are giving them more reason to stay there, its why i serverly question who is committing them. Problem is, if we withdraw and these terrorist attacks are actually the real thing, then the country, which is already divided, could easily fall into civil war. As for the extreme anti war movement, I think you guys need to look at this: http://www.worldcantwait.org/ I think wednesday 2nd of november could turn out to be a very interesting day for America. This is the extremism to the max, people are now intending to move against the american government. I guess only time will tell however, see what it turns out to be.

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Jesus, thats sick man. Keep strong anyway, i'm sure she'll pull through. You have my sympathy.

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Maybe to those who believe in it rather than understand it. There is a difference in understanding and belief. Belief closes your mind' date=' understanding opens it. Religion is what you make it. You can still be against religion and understand it. Jesus was a wise man, we are all sons of God. When jesus said "i am" he wasn't say he was the only son of god. He was saying he was a son of god, as we all are. "I am" me, "I am" free. It all comes down to one thing, Self and self-realisation. You can either progress in life, stand still or fall into a pit, it's the same with spiritually, however when you die you remember it all again and learn from your lessons on earth. Yeah bring in fenny! He won't argue with me though. I'll cut his hosting!T3H P0W3R! Fenny is a coward anyway, he can't stand discussing such things with me, i just blow his mind

Of course he wouldn't care, he dosen't exist. :wink: And you would know that because you all-knowing. Humans ARE ignorant. We will always remain ignorant, we know nothing. It's impossible to prove the existance or inexistance of god, so it's even more ignorant to suggest he does or doesn't exist. No one knows. We probably do know at birth, but as well fall into society we go further into ignorance and forget all that we have learnt from before. There is more than 1 dimension my friend. We know the 3rd dimension. 3D, we know 2D exists, 1D exists, so whats stopping 4D, 5D etc. They exist, they are spiritual/emotional. We are going through a change at the moment, the world population is growing, we are becoming more spiritual. You'll may see in time, at the end of the day it's all down to one thing: choice. Infinite love is the only truth, everything else is illusion. We are part of God, life is God's way of exploring himself. Everything is about self, the inner self, the spirit. I've done years of researching, hating, loving, fearing and i always come to the same conclusion. Life is a journey, we are learning constantly and reconnecting to ourselves. God is infinite, there are infinite you's, infinite me's, infinite universes. Time is infinite, thats why its an illusion, because something that is infinite really does not exist. Life in this world is limited by rules, thats why we notice things such as time. Thats what i've come to learn anyway, either way, we can search and find or we can not search and deny because we fear being powerless. Fear breaks us from God, our spirit, love reunites us. Either way, God may be a symbolic being for the good inside a man, or he may be a literal existance, which is everything we see. I prefer to follow the literal existance because i feel i am experiencing spiritual changes, however i always keep an open mind to the other possibilies. Essay over

Your all worshipping the same god either way. God doesn't care which religion you worship. Hitler wasn't christian, he was against all forms of religion, they just used it as a front whilst they consolidated power and had to continue it throughout the war. If Hitler won the war i'm sure he would have worked to eliminate all religion from his greater german empire.