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And I just spoke to one of my C&C friends who still have but with little hope of the game. He told me about regarding idealism when I spoke about money, and here's what he told me : In summary, the dev team focuses on pleasing themselves and only aiming for money while they also don't give 100% everything what the fans want.

Well Raj, thanks for the opportunity to let me pre-order the game to access the bonus mission, thanks but no thanks, This Is It! And just the autographed Kane photo? I rather have a Nod pendant instead, now that's some special edition stuff. Wow, nice "Ask A Developer" section, it's nice to see a guy with a Left 4 Dead 2 T-shirt, sweet! Whow! APOC in it too! WAIT?! Is that all of the Mutant units we got?! That's very wimpy, dude! Only 3 units? I'm expecting at least 6. Nice avatar this time, I'm impressed. And wow, the engineer, I can't reject this one, they look like Infested Kerrigans but can fly. But hopefully they better improve more rather than being "All brawn no brains", there's still the Nod Commando, best to show some couple of human parts to remain as a cyborg rather than being pure robot.

They may not be professionals, but at least they can do it. After all, they got the good scripts, except the acting I'm not sure. When it comes to the looks of themselves, sometimes I criticize them, but in this case, I don't, because, well, let's just say EA loves Hollywood so much while Westwood doesn't, and I keep the spirit. The resources wise is, well, basically Photoshop for their background. If I were acting over there, we mostly do it behind green screens, just like the EA people does too. Green screen is effective only in certain circumstances since EA have the props. But to us regular home people, we don't have those. Think if someone play as a Soviet Premier, but what about the props? You can't act with your table is a regular study table.

Alright, now that's what I'm talking about! It's all about the serious acting, not the actors themselves!

Agreeable, me too, being a loyal fan, but I already decided to step down and "die" as a true Westwoodian C&C fan. Under new supervisions or not, the franchise I'm sure will continue to go downhill. Newer & younger fans will not know much of its history, but the veterans will do. And one day, those newer fans will see our real problems and they'll join with us, to hate the franchise. But then again, things could have been worse in this Kotaku article. http://kotaku.com/5431752/command--conquer...esting-tiberium Really? We the community will like it? You said we like it, EA guys, but WE'RE NOT!! NOT IN C&C4! Are you continuing to please yourself? I'm sure it still is. Don't try to hide your true colors, because once it has been revealed, it'll never be hidden again!

Although not just C&C4 related, but as well as the whole franchise itself. Since I'm just an average fan, I wonder how many fans we got, ranged from the dawn of C&C1 until now. I wonder if any of you have an accurate chart on how many numbers of fans we have in the franchise. Here is my calculation (With numbers which are NOT 100% accurate) : C&C1 until YR - Numbers skyrocketed (10 million fans) Generals & ZH - Numbers declining badly ever since Westwood died & a controversial RTS which is typically non-C&C (5-7 million) C&C3 & KW - Numbers growing BUT at a slow rate (5.5 - 8.5 million) RA3 & Uprising - Numbers might be steady or declining slowly (Numbers same or lower, like 4-7 million) Announcement of C&C4 - Numbers declining at a medium pace (3-5 million) After Tiberian Twilight name, MMO gameplay & crappy Nod unit models released - My prediction is, numbers are dropping A LOT FASTER than the time Generals was released. (0.75 - 1.5 million) Slowly and slowly, even under new supervision, I predict the franchise will not skyrocket back to the way it was, not to mention Starcraft 2 will come out one day (whether if it's in middle 2010 or 2011). What's your opinion? I may have many wrong facts, that's why I'm asking how's the chart going from C&C's 1st day until today.

At least I find the whole thing interesting rather than always stick to the traditional ways. At least it's ok. I wish the traditional ways return together as well, imagine there's a leaked pipe and in the end Tiberium spews out, then you get to harvest again via Harvesters. Fast & actioning? Yeah right, I bet it'll never enter the World Cyber Games for sure! --------- On the off side, I have my feelings that I might be blaming Chris Tamburrino for the art direction since he's the Art Director. Especially look at ALL of the crappy Nod unit models, they're still terrible and he approves them! Jeezz! And another, I still doubt that the GDI EVA voiceovers are going to be kept the way it is as the remixed EotRS rather than changing it completely to make it sound more like the real TS EVA, I rather take out a pistol and shoot myself in the head.

I heard that Nod EVA, sounds ok, if only it should sound more robotic like CABAL. Lastly, at least is also way better than the remix version of EotRS's EVA for GDI.

About that small soldier video we see during gameplay, or the FMV if we would get to see them. I'm not sure, IF they did mix RA + Tiberium together, then we'll all be lost. After all, re-shooting the scene with proper Tiberium universe-related clothing is not gonna happen.

Oh yeah, that's one of the ways you can cheat to win a poll. But too bad, it's not worth it when there's no prize behind it.

Yeap, it is weird I don't understand how come the Nod Commando gets a big head on. Anyway, Crawler at 3%? Oh dear, I think people wants the old school MCV/Con Yard gameplay I guess.

Mastodon is for me, go go TS!

I know, Pepzi, I don't think they're doing their best, they just want to post crap until the game is finally finished. They rely on our modders to develop great mods. In this case, the dev team decided to end with the smallest puff of wind instead of end it with a big bang.

I agree, something doesn't seem right, this is not Commander Warren Fuller or Commander Hill or whoever commander like in RA3 or Uprising. GDI is supposed to be all yellow like Michael McNeil in TS! Hey, cinematic people, what the hell is going on here, did you forget TS on purpose?! In conclusion, I bet they take the old Westwood games for granted again, they only look into their own made games from Generals to now, so expect lots of gaps all over again. *face palms and shakes no*

I agree, I still feel it takes too much space, especially for both normal & widescreen users. But I still doubt the dev team will ever fix those mistakes. They trashed our sidebar & "best of both worlds combination of both bottom & sidebar" requests, and now what after that?

Yeah yeah yeah, Acid, I know, it's just when somebody crossed my line, I lost my temper over it. And it hurts too. Anyway, I'm sure you already know who I am and what I am, but today, it all comes down to this. And so far, I'm not going to keep on repeating again, especially since I won't be buying the game. Decision is not completely final ever since the gameplay video showed up and also more BCPT will come.

I know I know, it's just it's kind of my bad habit. I wish I could get rid of it, but it's hard and it'll take a lot of long times.

Criticism time - Pros : 1. Still a good gameplay, but unsure. 2. Nice transmission of a soldier showing up, but I still prefer to show on the radar screen. Cons : 1. It still doesn't look quite like C&C, it's about 50% only. 2. Arrrggg, no sidebar! One day when I'm using Widescreen, I'm going to lose a lot of battlefield view. 3. EVA voiceover is like a modified version of EotRS's. NO WAY! I wanna hear a computerized version like in TS. Neutral : 1. Crash landing drop pods? Wow! 2. Structure capturing does look a little like Starcraft 2, or was it Star Wars Empire at War. Did they copy their ideas? Overall, don't tell me about it's still too early to judge, what month is it today? So now it's the time to judge and start making tons of major changes. Nod unit models will be one of them, the EVA voiceover might be another.

Me too, since I'll see that problem coming, I might as well pull back.

I don't care what they'll say, and you got to admit, I'm a Westwoodian and I'm proud of it, the spirit will never die even if people doesn't care there's no such thing as ghost (If no such thing, why there's such a word in the dictionary, fools?!). Be careful what you say or I prefer you to IGNORE my post (Pretend I don't exist in this place), please don't challenge me. At least I'm an ok guy, not like those hardcore Westwoodians you'll find in the official C&C forums, they're a lot more hardcore than I am, and worse, they can bash EA a lot harder than I am, far a lot who they are not afraid of getting warned or banned. But not me, I don't play the big game until I take the ban hammer. PS : Even I won't be buying the game anymore, I'm just here to hang out and look at how C&C4 goes. If the game continues to gets worse and worse, I'll just let it be until many fans run away. If EA only cares of the money instead of the fans, be my guess, I can't wait to see their sales go lesser and lesser and the bad story continues.

You can try, but I doubt the dev team will ever listen. Sure, you can ask for the best of both worlds, but sadly, the dev team will usually ignore those requests. Moreover, we even requested for the sidebar (While the dev team keeps on using the bottom bar), but unfortunately, there hasn't been any answer regarding that for MONTHS! But my final answer that I'm sure is, they'll NEVER bring the sidebar back, we can only depend on the modders to do it.

Sonic is right, Orca, what EA done is already done, there's no turning back.

Whatever... I know you will not care, I'm sure I also don't care for the others. Many of us always care for themselves, similar to, well, you get the picture, I don't want to bash further.

Maybe so, I guess it's fine for me to shut up then. Whatever I'm going to say ain't gonna go anywhere further. EDIT : Oh, you got a point, Sonic. Forgot that the calculations that I saw last time were the sales chart, not the fan numbers chart. Well, at least I guess the numbers but there will never be an answer, the answer is both a yes & no at the same time.

It is pretty convincing, but I see that Kane pose before. That's why I can't be sure, anyway, sorry, I'm not quite very bright in photography and video editing stuff. I just know the pure basics. In this case, it's a little advanced.