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pfff. tough my ass, i just like it hard and heavy, for metal anyway. usually anyway. Metallica is good -- but were better in thier young days. (somehow, i doubt you would be a fan of what i like, such as Korn, Cradle of Filth, VNV Nation, Disturbed, Drowning pool, CruxShadows, DarkSeed, and a number of others as well. )

Uh, quite probably, the thought that you find the idea of a jesus witha bomb tshirt extremely distasteful, but prolly dont find the thought of muhammad is it? i dunno, the islamic reliugious figure with a bomb, less distastful, where as an islamic individual might find the reverse to be true. (personally, id want a shirt with a depiction of BOTH characters with bombs, or better still, BEING blown up by each other, just to be fair. ) So, in short, ya, it does have much to do with the topic at hand. Do try and pay attention please, you dont want to appear to be led thru such simple comments by hand, do you? j/k :lol:

PAH. WAY too mild for my tastes.

I had Jukebox i think it was 4.0, and it was VERY wicked -- then i got like 9.0 or something and it was a ROYAL POS. anyone know wherre i can downgrade? this thngs about to take a sledgehammer. -.-;

He must not know me or hed never be able to say that LMAO!!!

Ah, something akin to assuming all catholic preists are pedophiles, only because a few (thothe number IS increasing) are being conficted of the crime? is that what your driving at alphabear?

Oh cmon guys, we dont need to get so harsh on them -- i mean, just cause they lowered themselves to petty insults doesnt mean we have to. but yer right, i see little point in continuing this either -- you can scream all ya want on the net, but in these cases, its usually only a direct shot with a steel baseball bat that resolves these kinda conflicts. Far as myself personally, i have no anymosity to anyone here, Bware or anyone else, mines directed solely at the assmunches toing the directing of bloodletting. on ALL sides. and when i find one of them "blowing up bush" shirts, im buying a dozen of em. I feel much pity for those that follow them blindly, very true -- but i still hold out hope. *waves byebye to thread*

:roll: if you didnt make such an EASY target... j/k *shot*

.......uuhhh i was referringto the religious zealots that bitch about cartoon making? you DO realise that not every single one of my posts is aimed at you, Bware. o.O

*Shoots the damned golf player, then gags* :lol: j/k

So THATS why ya stormed offa msn. damn, shoulda finished readin the topic before commenting, lmao. Seriously tho - for all the "attacking" that people do on the US, havent ANY of you right wingers -- or you moderates -- stopped to ask, "Why are they saying such rotten things about us?" or is it just a case of automatically assuming we hate you cause your americans? I fully realise that much of what i say in regards to politics is viewed to be agressive -- cause it usually IS. Also, ive been careful, i think, to avoid direct insults -- mine i try to aim directly where they belong - bushel, his bogus warmongering administration and the fools elsewhere bent on bloodshed. ive tried quite hard, i think, to avoid directly insulting anyone here -- pity few seem to wish to reprociprocate the favor. Finally, anytime you, Bware or anyone else wants "to have a go" at me or my beleifs, please, feel free, i can taky ANYthing you kids care to toss, as ive proven repeatedly -- and , it seems, that im one of the few that can handle "a few pointed barbs". just dont be too offended when i dont cow down, eh?

And, as per usual, Fen nails it in one. Brilliance!!

well i DID move 3000 miles east to be with her..

Well ,thisis a small part of it.... :lol: Lessee... comp games ans shtuff, chatting, or when i can, getting OUT of the house, doin whatever, fishin, huntin, bikin, or greasemonkeying, and on occasion getting piercings or such. all of which subjectto the whims of my GF.

Wow. so much for "never telling anyone to STFU" or simmilar. My point was idle curiousity --- you reek more and more of a rich boy gettin the easy life. i RARELY (tho i do know of exceptions) see democrats, left wingers, or hell, ANYone that has "worked up thru the ranks" with the kind of really lousy attitude you got. You dont like it when people question you? grow up, really. And where the hell did i say that? i DO hope you mean someone else here, cause i never said ANY of that crap. Ive said repeatedly, those that choose to to put thier lives on the line for thier country, regardless of reason, deserve the highest respect -- far more than you and me both, kid. However, i CAN see where people DO veiw it as "a last resort" because often, IT IS. there are plenty out there, both in and out of the military, who feel it as such, due to economic or other constraints where they are. usually, they are in heavily depressed local economies, they and thier families are broke, and theres NO work out there for anyone. so what else can they do? again, this is NOT the militarys fault by any means -- but the assmunches in political power screwing with the country. Further , i AM aware, at least somewhat, of how the government in the US is weeding down on support to get into college or uni's -- withOUT joining some form of military. Is it that hard for you to accept thatthere are people out there that feel they can do themselves -- and thier country -- far better than putting on a uniform? Finally, you didnt shatter slag. you made a flagrant vocal attack, in the rather lame hope of drawing off some heat off yourself. Care to try again? :D Oh, and Apparitionnz -- -Welcome aboard the "right wing flogging traing" -- AKA Revealing the truth.

Isnt it like i said? SOME people really JUST cant take a good insult shot at em.

I would say that, because HE is in college, he thinks anyone can swing college. sorry, but no. tell me soemthing bware, are you actually holding down a job WHILE in college, or is someone supporting you? just blatantly curious.

Ok since you asked... You missed the point. To peoples in less than well off countries such as Mexico, the US is stil lseen as the land of opportunity - but emmegrating legally is WAY beyond thier price range. the reason they are emmegrating - or trespassing - varies from individual to individual, but they reason they STAY within the US is they DO find work, or some means of supporting themselves, that is better than they can find in thier homeland. Much of this tems from employers, bent on cutting costs and having cheap labor, are more than happy to not employ locals that requie higher pay for the same job if they can get it cheaper elsewhwere. thats but one reason. And since when is the seeking of knowledge a bad thing? so i wanna blow up an old car i have out in the back of a freinds field, so bloody what? more to the point -- i thought you just said (or maybe it was someone else) that the only way the government WOULD observe someone is when there was a thought of guilt? or did that just change? (OOooo, hes looking up pipe bomb plans - he MUST be planning to blow up innocentcivilians!! we MUSH Stop him! XD) I might go farther and remind you that during the war of independance, the British military and governemtn viewed the American rebels as "terrorists". gee, from what im seeing, i have a hard time arguing that in SOME (not all by aany means) cases. Why not? theyve done it the past, tovarying degrees, from the Salem witch trials to the "communist plague" to, now, the hunt for terrorists. Oh, and i do take pleasure in being the counter to the Bushel loving anti everythign non american fanatic. (lets see if you can catch the sarcasm there) You have your views and I have mine. doesnt make either more or less correct, but they ARE our views. funny, last i checked, the "Freedom of Speech" that SOME americans still hold to was still in effect? Much the same was said of the aforemeantioned american "rebels" by the brits. EVERY superpower says that of any rebels or terrorists beneath it, thats my whole point. This isnt an attempt to defend muslims - or any of the rest of them feckos -- by any means, but rather, an outside (as we Canucks still ARE outside) take on it. i dont agree with what they are doing, or much (not all) of WHY they are doing it, buti can see circumstances that i would want to blow the hell out of someone invading what i feel to be MY land, and when i nor my family have done nothing to warrent such invasion. On an internal scale, i can also see why a people would become increasingly uncomfortable with the amount of zeal on the part of the government to weed out "potential" (your words i might add) terrorists. tell me, WHO defines "potential"? Possibly by getting off your high white horse and looking? Would you mind rewording that so it makes sence? i am unaware of any attempt in 1984 by an american government t oseize its own people, if thats what your referring to. So why am i not the only one, here even, making hitler comparisons, Bware? if your system was so bulletproof as you claim, no one ANyplace would have grounds to make such. im not directly sayingthat bushel will BE the next hitler, but i AM noting an ever increasing number of similarities between the current administration and the nazi regime. and i dont think im the only one doing so.further -- Hitler did not work all by his lonesome -- he DID have a solid government infastructure backing him up, a group of peopel that wholeheartedly, even blindly, followed him -- ALL of these people were making the choice to follow him.

Ah, the american borne tradition of "Sueing for usage of WORDS to wound". how droll. blech. funny how some people just cant take a barb.

Too true. my point is -- be ready willing, and able for when it is NECESSARY.

Now to get into this in detail -- Insofar as Mexico and my comment goes -- Mexico has hardly made it a secret they want that chunk of land back. with the pathetic condition the US border is in now, they are in facttaking it back, plain and simple. you wanna blame someone, blame the employersthat prefer to hire the cheap , uneducated, mass labor over the educated labor theyd actually have to treat decently, in short, givingthem not only reason to come -- but stay. Now, insofar as the Patriot act, and similar motions by the government go -- Tell me something, where does "doing wrong" begin? by purchasing weapons and ammunition? by having plans for bombs? by having building plans ? lets expand this a bit. does it include, per se, examinging ones criminal record, solely based on race, or religious beleifs? or does it only take a complaint from someonethat doesnt like you? as it is, and where its going, once they set thier sights on you --- they are going to know EVERY single detail of your life. (im sorry, but isnt hte US home of the phrase, "Innocent Untill PROVEN Guilty"? How can that work when the assumation your guilty is already there? ) Now, lets take this even farther. lets go now to political beleifs, a REAL hot topic here itd seem. I mean sure, saying stupid things like, "Iihave a bomb on this plane", ok thats BEGGING for trouble, but saying you hate the current political leader, shouldthat be grounds for investgation by the fecking government? making cartoons of blowing up general bushel, should THAT, as well, be grounds for an inquisition? we already know how the muslims react to cartoons -- does the US wish to follow suit, in its own unique way? You people may be comfortable with that level of scrutiny -- but im a firm beleiver in a beleif of what my granfather taught my dad, a guy who survived 7 years in a nazi concentration camp to back up his beleifs -- "What the government does not know (about you) , will not hurt YOU." This coming from a guy who watched, live, as the masses of ONE nation (a nation that, incidentally, was virtually smashed at the start, broke, starving, desperate) swore in a leader they innitially beleived in, and yes loved to death. he also watched what happened when this one man in power, with his solitary power behind him, ran unchecked by ANYone. It started fairly benevolent enough, that is true -- but soon, hatred seeped in. a threat to internal security was percieved, and concessions were made, in the name of security. rights were quickly weeded down, in the name of "safety" and "security". the religious and political aspects were played up as well, aiding to this. i think we all know how that ended. Keep in mind, wahtever you might think of the CURRENT political setup -- there are ALWAYS going to be crooked, corrupt, and potentially downright insane leaders -- and there will eventually ALWAYS come a time where those that are in fact truely the good, or decent, or right side, will be veiwed as evil , as wrong, as criminals, by whomever is in power. do you REALLY wanna get caught with your pants down, and your hands empty, when that happens?

OK, time to stomp on the hornets nest. MadBadger - My congradualtions to you, sir, for "holding the line" for us liberal left wing free thinkers. Bware - you are a peice of work i gotta admit. a 20 year old not even IN college yet (provided i read that right) who, when fired on, acts pretty damned immature, essentially getting your gander up rather than cutting people down, telling people to STFU without the talk to back it up. your flagrant denial of facts repeatedly slapped in your face (to say nothing of hosts of other stuff LMAO) reeks of neoconservatism -- and if your a NEO conservative, id sure hate to see a TRUE conservative. But, to back MYSELF up, to tear on a few of your points, read below... Masked Shaw - ya, it did happen -- but the US governemnt, no matter HOW nicely you slice it, failed miserably, and 3000 innocent people in the WTC --- AND the what, nearing 3000 of the innocent men and women -- your brothers and sisters in arms, i beleive? -- have ALSO died for this fluckup bullsh!t, have they not? Im not pretending sh!t -- it was a tragedy, and i want to know ALL of what happend and ALL of those responsible, by action or deliberate neglegence. dont we as an advanced society as a whole owe it to those that have died? and ARE dying? If its proven that more than the Taliban are responsible for the past and present deaths and destruction, dont you want THEM to hang as well? or do you , as Bware would seemingly wish us do, automaticly beleive your leadership free and clear of all blame, solely for BEING leadership? As to directly concerning 911 - I dont beleive the US planned it. they DID, however, see it coming, a substantial ways off. between thier inner conflicts between internal security and political forces, but moreover, a will by the higher echelons of both the us government -- as well as financial interests -- there was a strong will to pull a stunt similar to WW2 -- in short, rile the people up enough to wage war. an opportunity was seen, and was taken. The attacks , i feel WERE planned and carried out directly by the taliban - and that they chose the targets VERY well. the idea, from thier standpoint, was to cause terror -- and demoralise the people. however, heres where its tricky -- what to aimfor and get away with it? well, taking out one ofthe key parts of the US financial industry is one, as would smashing up the whitehouse -- but what good would sending a craft at the pentagon do? i dont care what anyone says, having your military that centralised is suicide, and the american military (i would hope) isnt htat stupid. further, kamakazeing an armored target ,even with the mass that passenger airlines are, wouldnt so a whole hell of a lot. examination, in my mind, of the damage views reliesed -- as well as the TOTAL reluctance by the US government to release OTHER vid footage of the strike on the pentagon puts much mud onthe image of a 767 attacking the pentagon. Further, the extreme reluctance by the US, both military and governemnt, to release a multitude of requested documents for public examination leads to beleive that theres plenty there that they DONT want known. Futher, people working to examine ALL aspects of truth have been repeatedly shut (and occasionly SHOT) down. WHY? That being said, some elements of USsecurity were effective at the time, more by luck i would wager, and were able to prevent a BIGGER tragedy -- but no thanks for that goes anyplace NEAR that damnedable whitehouse, but the men and women on the frontlines -- the same ones routinely getting screwed by the government they work to protect.

Who here would like to take the joy and duty to remind Bware that much of the southern us WAS in fact originally clamed, and indeed OWNED by the Mexicans (and behind them the Spaniards, if memory serves?) and was in fact siezed not by finances or peace, but, in the end, brute military force? BTW... Immmm BAAACCCCCKKKK.......... at least fora bit. ill get into this in detail later whe i get everything caught up

Sorry kids, but im about to move a good 3000 miles east with my GF, off for more fun excitement and adventur (i wish lol). dont know when exactly ill have regular net next, but its high up the list. see ya soon kiddies....

o.o aaannndd i think i can eat my words now lol Tho -- i really gotta gree with much of what was just said... Nice to see an american agree with me.