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yeah if 2 or 3 are together they should merge and form a supervisceroid or something.

TSBO wrote: what a sweeping assumption my friend. u took that the wrong way. I meant to say that my country has its own problems so the USA's internal problems are the least of my concerns because of that. i just have big problems with your government. but its not like i dont care when somehthing happens in the states. you mistake me for an unfeeling person. basically every1 feels bad when something crap happens anywhere, and every1 feels good when something good happens anywhere.. thats what makes us human. And for the record, its not like people all over the world were celebrating when something like katrina or 9/11 happens. so dont think that the world 'hates' america and all. the world hates american government and not american people.

SS said: History is all we have in these discussions. Like the bald dude said in Red Alert : he who conquers the past commands the future. look guys, now that most of the arguments are on the table for all to see, and since we have reached a common point i.e the UN needs restructuring, this is a good time to end this and we can get on with talking more about our common interests like CnC. I never had any problems with the american people , their problems are of the least of my concerns. I dont live there so i dont really care. They are for you to solve and all. I just have a BIG problem with the American govt and thats all i wanted to convey. However, just one last thing, dont get mad and all but this point is really bothering me so i have to say it: according to the federation of american scientists, in the last 50 years there have been more than 200 conflicts in which the US was the aggressor. just wanted you to know that so that when you guys vote next time, you keep that in mind. .

i fear that the mammoth will become more like an overlord now. but maybe thats a good thing.

SS said: History is all we have in these discussions. Like the bald dude said in Red Alert : he who conquers the past commands the future. look guys, now that most of the arguments are on the table for all to see, and since we have reached a common point i.e the UN needs restructuring, this is a good time to end this and we can get on with talking more about our common interests like CnC. I never had any problems with the american people , their problems are of the least of my concerns. I dont live there so i dont really care. They are for you to solve and all. I just have a BIG problem with the American govt and thats all i wanted to convey. However, just one last thing, dont get mad and all but this point is really bothering me so i have to say it: according to the federation of american scientists, in the last 50 years there have been more than 200 conflicts in which the US was the aggressor. just wanted you to know that so that when you guys vote next time, you keep that in mind. .

SS said: umm, your border on either side is surrounded by OCEAN. the defence of the US mainland is handled by naval and air forces. btw that wasnt my point. My point was that ppl dont bitch about china even though they r a superpower. that just shows that just cause you are a superpower, doesnt mean ppl will bash you. SS wrote: i essentially agree with you there. SS said what r u talking about, the US OWNS the UN. you wanna change the world for the better, relinquish your monopoly over the UN. Right now, basically even if the UN disagrees with the US on something, it can't do s*** about it. SS said: not true. I was just saying that with a little bit of foresight, bush wouldn't have been re-elected, thats all. just cause i criticized you on many things doesnt mean i stereotype you. Like you said, i can have a different political alignment and still agree ( or disagree) with some issues. redasblood wrote: my friend , most of my points are based on books by noam chomsky and gore vidal. so they r ranting maniacs right? i never approached this thread with the idea of starting a competition. i never said america is satan or something. I just wanted an exchange of opinions and ideas. but if you do want to approach this like a competition then there are global polls in my favor. and dont try to act all just and righteous by saying you werent flaming me. cause thats all that youve done. yeah you won all right. hope that makes you feel better about yourself. .

SS said : agree with you there 100%. SS said : ppl don't bitch and all about china even though China is a superpower. infact you ask any pakistani and they will call chinese are our brothers. pak-china border has NO soldiers. guess that says something. So just cause your a superpower , doent mean ppl will hate you. SS said: this point tends to crop up alot so i decided to answer it in detail: essentially, conflict resolution requires all parties to be at the table and an international vote to be held. i'm sure you agree. The platform for doing that is the United Nations. but look at the setup of the United Nations. there are only 5 members in the elite security council. only 5 countries sit and decide the fate of the world. whats more, 3 are from the western bloc ( america + europe). the others r russia and china. of them only china secures of the interests of asians as a whole cause russia is obsessed with itself. If the security council is expanded and more countries are given the veto power, then conflicts will be resolved more quickly. For example there is no muslim country on the security council. whenever the muslim countries demand their right through the UN and it involoves the disadvantage of israel, the US vetos the vote, even though it is usually overwhelmingly in their favor. There is no african country on the security council. thats why more and more african counntries reject UN intervention. Allow a major african and a major muslim country on the security council and you will see that the world will become a less volatile place. Its called democracy. Only problem is that SOME countries dont want to relinquish their monopoly on the security council. The unilateral actions of the united states tends to narrow down the odds of who that someone is. SS said: your saying that like youve never flamed me even once. do you expect me to sit down and shutup when you guys call me a s*** in every post. SS said: OBVIOUSLY my comments were meant for the american nation as a whole, not you personally. you just wanted to flame me thats all. SS said: thats straight out of fox btw. .

haha Denmark is a part of US coalition. You americans didnt even know that. Congrats u just PWND urself LOL. nice try Jah$spor but i am not as stupid as your american friends. crdgohan wrote: no need to say how chivalrous you are for not saying it b4. Cause you already DID in your previous post. And i replied to that in my previous post btw: there's another country called China that's at least as strong if not stronger. for us, it is the strongest as it is nearer and usually has more of an impact on us. Vyper reply: crdgohan wrote: Vyper wrote: i guess that owned u so much that you couldnt say anything else but....... the same thing all over again. crdgohan wrote: says the dumba** who coudlnt come up with ONE argument in his defence. Alot of my previous post was dedicated to you my dear. O yeah i forgot, you can't READ. redasblood wrote: It is I who pity you my friend. Not many nations have the privelage of being in 3 vietnams, or 2 at the same time for that matter. SS said: Is that why you re-elected bush? basically your saying that we f***ed you and we're sorry, but we gotta f*** you some more. I am appalled at your sense of justice. i know about ppl like cindy sheehan. i do see the good side. i want them to win. i want this war to end. then you can do whatever you want and america will be the least of my concerns. Vyper said: SS said: Another gem showing how much you really know whats going on in the world. there are suicide/other type of bombing here EVERY month. the fact that u dont know that shows your ignorance. There have been 2 assassination attempts on our president, 1 on our prime minister. Thats not include the schools/innocent ppl that were blown up, or the innocents you guys picked up and sent to your CIA gulag. war is not something you can stop from spilling over into other countries. The lives, property and safety of the ppl in your own country r not safe and u think you can save the world. Thats it right there, thats what i call arrogance. You say this sort of stuff cause you wanna feel good bout urself. There are GLOBAL POLLS saying that the no.1 threat to peace and justice in the world is america, its not just me. its better to leave this sort of stuff to the dalai lama or bono. SS said: a pathetic excuse for your inability to reply satisfactorily. do you know how many times you've said that? about a hundred. basically thats the only logical point that you ever made, and i conceded that the media has innacuracies. i agree. imo just think its disproportionately higher. i think its more of a question of national culture instead of ethnic background.but thats a separate discussion. duh, iraq, afghanistan. another example of your excellent knowledge of history. here comes history 101: Iraq was at one time the no.1 ally of US in the arab world. US supported iraq to attack iran after the islamic revolution in iran, which resulted in the iran-iraq war of the 80s that weakened iraq. after which US decided that iraq's oil made it worth more than a pawn and f***d it. you used them to weaken them, then you f***d them. Afghanistan was also an ally of the US. The US created the mujahideen that fought the soviet invasion. after the soviet defeat and disintegration of USSR, you ran away from your mess and you f***d them. When they were your ally , a rambo film was made (rambo III). at the end of the film it says: this film is dedicated to the brave ppl of afghanistan who are fighitng the commies. LOL . Now they r enemy no.1. btw you dumped pakistan after using us against soviets as well. you didnt outright attack us, ( perhaps because of our alliance with China) but basically put so many economic sanction so that we bled to death. the perfect coverup for making a state fail. you want more examples? the Federation of American Scientists published a report detailing the names and dates of over 100 military operations by the US against other countries IN WHICH THE US WAS THE AGGRESSOR in the last 50-60 years. go get it if u can. basically you guys showed every1 here what a *** level of knowledge you have of the world. And on top of that you think your the one who can fix it.

definitely yes. hoping 4 another faction, maybe a scrinified NOD. they were experimenting alot with tiberium and all so.........

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4 vs 1 not bad. here comes the megapost then. RaB premature celebrations . early days guys , early days. just cause i dont use profanity, which you guys really like, doesnt mean i'm pwned or something. Neutral observers know that, if not you americans. so without further waiting, on to the real issues : first it'll be crdgohan Vyper wrote: you forgot the last line. why i called SS arrogant, guess u never read the whole thread but i'll explain it for the uninitiated shortly. Vyper wrote: apparently the guys took a liking to this one. There was nothing political implied. Actually, SS was all ranting about how its soooooo wrong to comment on whats going on in other countries cause you don't live there. i partially accepted that argument, cause at least its plausible. therafter i acknowledged the possibilty of my being inaccurate on this basis . u can read the previous comments of the thread and see 4 urself. Then the chap comes and contradicts HIMSELF by doing the exact same thing for which he criticized ME. thats why i said "you dare comment....". You nullified your own argument SS ,LOL. thats why i used ur own quotes against u. btw,your most welcome to comment on my country, the line was purely meant to show SS how dumb he is. plus i never said that my country is a utopia or something. u can read my previous posts and you will see that i have ackknowldged that ppl get murdered and raped here as well. just not on the same level as in your 'superpower'. crdgohan reply: Do you know how much of a Nazi/Stalinist you sound when you say that? Its like your saying when an american soldier or citizen dies, it is a great tragedy and sorrow. But when our guys die, its just a statistic, or collateral damage for the 'greater good'. God, your shamelessness knows no bounds ! crdgohan wrote: Never questioned that, i fully agree with you. But you ask ppl who is the biggest terrorist in the world at the moment, they will tell you its america. there are global polls available verifying that the US govt is right now the biggest threat to justice and peace in the world. ( SS : i dont give a **** about what the world thinks ) crdgohan wrote: not exactly tiny, it has the 6th largest pop in the world. anyway i am happy if it is that way. non interference and peace. kind of like New Zealand. sometimes i wish i lived there. its the most neutral place on earth. anyway, all countries compile crime and other stats regardless of global size/importance. crdgohan wrote: technologically , not morally. its a 21st century Rome like i said. btw there's another country called China that's at least as strong if not stronger. for us, it is the strongest as it is nearer and usually has more of an impact on us. Funny, i dont hear people around here bitching about China. Infact people love China here. since a long time too btw, not just recently. infact, since our independence, they have treated us with respect and honored us as friends. we consider them our brothers. you ask any pakistani, even teh most illiterate on the street, and he will tell you chinese and pakistan are brothers. not like USA which coerces other countries for its dirty work. Once upon a time the people loved the USA as well here. When we were all on the same side fighting the godless commies. Politically, Pakistan and USA are still allies. but as far as the people are concerned, not any more. can u guess why? ( crd : cause ur jealous) China borders Pakistan by the way. And did you know that the Pakistan China border has NO soldiers on either side. thats cause we trust them not to stab us in the back like USA does to other countries. thats why ppl hate your country. New Age Rome. Bloody imperialists. crdgohan wrote: LOL what a joke. sounds like something from jon stewart. crdgohan wrote: thats exactly what i'm countering, that you and no one in the world has a right to even say that, let alone fight wars based on it. Thats what the roman's said : Rome is the light, the seat of civilisation. the rest is darkness and barbaric. Rome is admired to this day for its architechtural and technological wonders. but decried as the epitome of the 'evil empire' due to their immorality and bloody deeds. USA fits the bill more and more as each day passes. TSBO wrote: TOTALLY INCORRECT! u really think i'm typing this from a tent don't you? Like i said b4 this isnt a banana republic. 6th largest pop in the world. 3rd fastest economic growth in asia. nuclear and missile power. free media that's probably more professional than yours if this thread is any indication. I had a friend from america come here and i asked him the difference. he told me its mostly the same, just different kinds of trees and weather. but we r definitely third/second world, i am not denying that. not enough high-rises you see, but thats changing fast. Actually the tribal area is just a small area, a small strip along pak-afghan border. its basically only 1% of our total pop. And btw have u even been there? they are the most hospitable ppl on the face of the earth, not like savages or something. Just these days they r seriously pissed off by all the bombing, death and innocent ppl, children and schools are being destroyed by your 'predator' drones in their area. actually your argument applies more to the US with has so many wide open areas where government/cops control is so low that you could kill rape any1 and get away with it by dumping them anywhere. whos to stop you in the middle of nowhere ? SS wrote: SS reply: You do know that population figures and the amount of diversity do play a role in this. yeah i do. pakistan has 4 major races, with 10s of subdivisions in each group. each group has its own language or dialect and customs. that means diversity in the hundreds. pakistan has VERY high pop density and 6th largest pop in the world. of course USA has more diversity i accept that, but we're not a monolithic entity either. SS reply: Neither did we. However, I will grant you that the current pretext was flimsy at best. i respect your opinion there. SS reply: As I recall, you never mentioned this once before now. i did. just shows you jumped into the thread somewhere later. when i revealed that i was from pakistan, in that post i said it. SS wrote: not true, i mentioned twice i think that you guys make the best games, movies, technology etc. cnc fan right? i have some american friends and they are all warm and caring. just that all this **** going on pisses me off. i studied montessori in america for 2 yrs and i consider my teacher there my mother. we are still occasionaly in contact. basically i know america is not a bad place, but what it does abroad give it a bad name. SS wrote: dont think so mate. thats cause u dont live here in the WARZONE. SS wrote: do u honestly believe that?

haha. well, where do you get your news from? fox? cnn? all the sources that you discredited yourself. yeah i know, you told me, you have been endowed with some hidden power that enables only you to separate truth from fiction. OK let us assume for the sake of argument that what u said is true. can you name any serial rapists, paedophiles, serial killers from pakistan. No you cant. cause there arnt any, at least not on the level that you've got. in all my time here, i have known only 1 psychopathic serial killer/pedophile in Pakistan. that was like 10 years ago.and you've got dozens and dozens that just keep coming. yeah there is rape,murder here but not on the level that you have. In any case we never invaded other countries on the pretext that we are a perfect society or the best democracy. to repeat myself for the third time, we have the lowest murder rate in the world. i'm talking about actual statistics here. or rather, we had it, just before you guys invaded the countries next door. yes that is correct. did you perchance stumble upon the one that told the tale of how your soldiers raped that girl, then killed her family? Or the boy who got all his limbs blown off in a 'precision' strike? or the wedding parties that got bombed? or the mothers who lost all their sons cause they were 'terrorists'. And these are just the ones that make the headlines, there are hundreds more examples. God have you no shame. hardly weak. i guess a strong argument in america is one filled with profanity and nothing else. said all i need to say, think what u want to think.

stealth tanks love em they're so cool i remember they used to be called ezekial's wheel in TD dont know why though.

had a problem like that with Dawn of War and Company of Heroes after i got the latest drivers for my gfx card. with previous driver versions it worked fine. try some previous driver versions, sometimes there are issues with the latest ones.

You really think you are the only one who can read in between the lines? thanks. you have just confirmed what i had believed before posting in this topic, that americans are arrogant. not all of course, mainly ppl like you SS. yeah right. what a joke. your crazy. you write that as if youve been living here for the past 20 years. just shows how much 'in between the lines' you really are. you know, that white space in between paragraphs is just........whitespace. AND BTW, You dare comment on what is going on in MY part of the World? i'm not one for expletives, but to quote you, with a minor alteration: AND , without altering it, The truth is a ........ is uncomfortable isnt it? that said, expletives give style points but not substance. i dont want a flame war. i had accepted the possibilty of inaccuracies in my comments owing to false information from sources. however at the end of the day you cannot actually deny the accuracy of actual facts and statistics like murder rates and number of convicts etc. I have, as a matter of principle and as a gentleman, accepted that i may be wrong in many things. After all , i dont live there so i dont have the right to claim that i am not. Now YOU must accept that some of what ive said is true and that there is some truth in the point i am attempting to make, if u believe in fair arguments, and that will be the end of this and we'll all live happily ever after.

i have cited multiple methods of getting information. i dont get or want 'opinions' from these, which are a joke because of the ' human factor' like u said , i focus on the FACTS. EMPIRICAL, PRISTINE, FACTS. next you will be telling me there was actually no abu Ghraib. ( SS : "whats an abu ghraib? " ) anyway, are you trying to tell me that your OWN media is waging a propaganda war against ITSELF! i always felt they were trying to protect americas image abroad. obviously doing a lousy job if this is coming from an american. anyway lets take them out of the picture. what i want to know is....... how come you know everything ,whats going on in the world Mr. omnipresent All-knowing. where exactly do you get your info. Oh i know, you meet God every day and he tells you everything. Perhaps you could enlighten me through your extensive experience. so dont throw crap at me like 'your an ignorant ****' what with the kind of crap that your country has done to my part of the world. bloody imperialists. you cant deny this one can you? cause i'm here, you're there. ( SS = ' your just a sensationalist. our army is bringing you dumbass ppl democracy.' ) L-O-L.........you criticize fox but u could make anchor if ever u went there! again, for the rational ppl: where i may be wrong is how i have bunched together everything bad. i know that its not that way in reality, just trying to drive home my point. i know that america is not just about bad news, but about the guys who make all the great stuff that i enjoy, games, movies, tech and many more.

that kid with the guitar is so cute tho

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i was referring to your own news channels like cnn, bbc,nbc, not mtv or bible tv or something. i forgot to add the internet to that list. in this age of the internet, information doesnt remain hidden for long. you will find my comments to be based on fact. by mags i didnt mean the gossip mags i meant time, newsweek,economist etc and your own newspapers. most of the stuff i talked about is on actual facts where i may go wrong is that the stuff highlighted in these sources is mainly negative. i dont live there so i dont get the good side of the news. i accept that i may have an overly negative view because of that. so i agree that i may have all the bad stuff bunched up like mormreed said. yeah a knife has nothing to do with it. but the point is its how you choose to deal with whats going on in your mind and body that makes you what you are. anyway whether ppl r born gay or psycho isnt the point. its an endless discussion. its that america shouldnt be the global policeman cause it needs to police itself first. thats what i ve been trying to drive home through these arguments. read up SS

firstly thankyou for not just saying **** you and ending it there. i respect your arguments , i may be wrong. yeah maybe they r assumptions cause i dont live there. they are basically impressions gathered from tv , mags, articles, events next door, events here. mormreed, ppl jump the border cause they wanna make money. no.1 reason is economic. we are third world, but not like totally pwned or something. we have fastest growing economy after china and india in asia . drugs, medical care , education, computer games, broadband etc, we got everything. its a proper country not a banana republic. hard drugs too - afghanistan is next door. i hated the taliban but one thing bout them was they brought heroin to zero. you must not automatically assume lack of freedom in other countries. this is a free country, were not commies or something. there are gays here too . mostly in one particular ethnic group ( all the gay jokes are about them). some ppl say they r descended from greeks hehe. but its not blown out of proportion like in west. trust me ppl are not born gay. its the wierdest thing when u tell ppl here that men are getting married to each other in west. i read the article which claimed to give proof that gays are born. i think they made mistake. everything has a good and bad side. a knife can be used to cut an orange or kill a person. so its unfair to say that this particluar chemical in your body is gay . thats science for you: your angry cause theres too much of this or that in your body. the chems in ur body are not the cause , but the trigger or external event that releeases them is. 1 exception i think is menopause. this is fundamental misunderstading which is why it is considered ok to give drugs to kids for emotional probems imo. i wouldnt want to get in the religious aspects and its against forum rules anyway. anyway, i said what i wanted to say. maybe i was wrong cause like you said , i havent been there. actually i did goto montessori in america when i was 4,5 yrs old but dont think that counts

yeah yeah i know , i am a terrorist :roll:

just look at the pop of some of the asian countries and some of them are like the size of texas and have popultaions approaching that of USA. that gives a VERY high population density , which more or less evens out things. check it at wikipedia if you want. plus criminals are not born, they are made, so dont think that more ppl =more crime just cause there more ppl. still US has highest number of inmates in world plus one of highest crime rates plus high suicide rate. theres vrtually no family system in the US. the so called defender of human rights. I am from PAKISTAN. (yeah we play cnc too...alot) b4 u start picking out my country's problems i must remind you............ there isnt any child abuse or child prostitution in Pakistan and very low level of prostitution anyway we dont have a gay problem our kids dont murder their parents our kids arnt conditioned with psychological drugs YES there are thieves and murder and rape. YES there are human rights violations specially in our backward tribal areas , against our women. but its not like we are saying we are a great nation and the best democracy. Unlike USA we are more concerned about our own problems and not the problems of others. if you doubt what i'm saying check murder rate of Pakistan in Wikipedia its one of lowest in the world. its risen recently thanks to your beautiful war on 'terror' in our backyard. our soldiers are dying for your stupid war. its normally not like in US where mothers are rushing their kids indoors at sunset to save them from all the psycho pedophiles plus we have some of the worst law enforcement in the world we have this low murder rate despite that. the only reason USA is not at the number 1 of the vice list is beacuse it has so many resources for the police....helicoptors, modern weapons,equipment etc. i have yet to see a police helicoptor in pakistan or even properly equipped police cars are few and far between. imagine what would happen in the US if somehow the police couldn't function for a day or 2.wait, i know, it already has happened.... in hurricane katrina when all those women were raped and theives ran amok. yet there is so much propaganda against pakistan and other countries in your 'free' corporate run media. your news channels run this propaganda whenever your govt wants to make your poor soldiers shed the blood of innocents. it tries to justify the wars and actions by saying 'these barbaric countries need to be 'civilzed'. there are lots of good ppl in the US, im not saying you are satan or something. after all, you are the guys that made the great games like C&C, doom, falcon 3, dune, infact all of the best games. and most of the best movies like T2 and batman. you put man on the moon. and you are an open hearted and warm people. you are a warm people for having a multicultural society. there was a time when i envied your country. the problem starts when you call yourself the best nation in the world from which you derive some sort of moral justification for the invasion of other countries. You are far from it. That is why i called america a 21st century Rome. i'm not comparing pakistan to other countries here or anything because i know theres alot of crap problems here too,mainly economic/political. just trying to make a point: <<<< MY POINT >>>> WHY DOES USA THINK IT IS THE DEFENDER OF DEMOCRACY IN THE WORLD WHEN IT, LIKE ALL OTHER COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD HAS BIG PROBLEMS OF ITS OWN?

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yeah your right sometimes maybe even most times europeans are more dissolute. but thats not my point. my point is that why does the US of A take it upon themselves to be the defender of democracy and human rights when it has serious problems of its own. and its not just about a technical glitch, its just that almost every week i hear something bad from the states or related to it. and it just sickens me when kids get caught up. maybe my response was a little too heated because of that. the other day i read a report about sixth graders haveing sex in the classroom. then you read about the child murderers and teenage killers. then you read about the serial killers and rapists and child abusers. then theres so many kids growing up with mental problems or even taking psychological drugs. then theres corporate theft, lies and deceit. then theres the world bank president wolfowitz giving his girlfirend a job package worth more than the US secretary of state. i mean, how can you even make him president of the 'world bank' and say that its a bank dedicated to development of poor countries. that bank along with IMF is just leeching poor countries by putting them in debt traps. then theres the shunning of the united nations. the list goes on and on. last but not least theres the war on 'terror' in the name of 'democracy' and 'freedom'. maybe you people forget easily about the bad things going on. thats why gore vidal calls it the 'united states of amnesia'. you may be a superpower but believe me, the days when poeple used to look at america and envy it are long gone. read the news and you will see for urself. read it from past year to this day and you will see.

1 theory is that green house gases dont impact the place where they are made. in other words, pollution from west might make east warmer and vice versa......if this gets out of hand could there be a blame game leading to war?