Strength and Weakness of the Generals in Zero Hour

[Guest rchandra]

In this topic I want to ask you if you know the strength of a General and its weakness

For example :

1. I think that GLA Toxin General could defeat China Infantry General

because 1 Toxin Rebel could kill 1 Elite Mini Gunner and the Toxin Rebel also killed. But Toxin Rebel is cheaper and don't need General Points.

 

2. I think that USA Laser General could defeat the Air Force General easily because its Avenger is a nightmare to the Granger's aircraft.

 

Do you have another opinion ?

[Koen 2]

2. I think that USA Laser General could defeat the Air Force General easily because its Avenger is a nightmare to the Granger's aircraft.

But the Avenger is really expensive, and to deploy enough of those to defend everything... Because against a human player, he will just let his planes fly around the Avengers unless you have them everywhere.

[Guest platinumnuts]

In general:

 

1. The Laser general can build a good defense, but has trouble

generating offense. Therefore, its difficult to win with this general.

 

2. The Air Force General has the best early offensive strike

capability (gains the carpet bomb attack rapidly)

 

3. The China Infantry general has excellent capabilities -

since the toxins don't penetrate the bunkers, the Chinese

infantry general, in fact, can effectively repel the toxin general

and once the infantry general can build some overlords,

the toxin general can't do much.

 

4. Don't underestimate the power of the China Nuke General

with his various upgrades. One should play this general a lot

to fully realize the capabilities.

 

5. If you can develop some skill, the GLA stealth general,

I believe, is likely the best General to be in a long game.

Eventually that stealth tunnel attack will become very effective.

 

6. In my opinion, the worst general to be is the China Tank

General.

[Guest rchandra]

1. The Laser general can build a good defense, but has trouble

generating offense. Therefore, its difficult to win with this general.

Plus : You have to maintain your base online, if you get offline, your laser tank will get offline too.

 

3. The China Infantry general has excellent capabilities -

since the toxins don't penetrate the bunkers, the Chinese

infantry general, in fact, can effectively repel the toxin general

and once the infantry general can build some overlords,

the toxin general can't do much.

I think that China Infantry General can't build overlords, they can only build Assault Troop transport, dragon tank, nuke cannon, ECM, Listening outpost, infeno cannon.

And I think that GLA Toxin Anthrax Gamma is very deadly to China infantry, because they don't have Chemical Suit upgrade as the US'

And if you attack the GLA Toxin's base you will find it very difficult because of the Toxin Networks and Quad Cannons.

 

5. If you can develop some skill, the GLA stealth general,

I believe, is likely the best General to be in a long game.

Eventually that stealth tunnel attack will become very effective.

But the Sneak Tunnel Attack isn't stealth, while I played it with my friend, he could see it.

I also think that GLA Stealth General will be very useful in large maps such as Whiteout

 

6. In my opinion, the worst general to be is the China Tank

General.

I also think so, because he doesn't have long range weapons, and he could be defeated easily by the GLA Demolotion General

[Guest rchandra]

2. I think that USA Laser General could defeat the Air Force General easily because its Avenger is a nightmare to the Granger's aircraft.

But the Avenger is really expensive, and to deploy enough of those to defend everything... Because against a human player, he will just let his planes fly around the Avengers unless you have them everywhere.

Okay, instead of Avengers, he has Laser Turret that is very effective against aircraft, my friend say it need 2 shots to get a MiG down, so it is quite powerful.

And Avengers cost less to the Laser General, and are effective in shooting down the King Raptor's missiles, remember it !!

[KyleBrogan 0]

Against the Air Force General, The Laser General is seriously outclassed. Of all the US Generals, the Air Force gained all the upper hands. They got stronger Raptors, cheaper planes, two cloaked air units (Stealth Fighter and Commanche, as well as an excellent aerial defense platform (Combat Chinook). Besides that, they still get everything besides Tanks. (Which makes it hard to deal with China Gattling Tank and GLA Quad-Cannon, but Humvees with some Rockets thrown in are a decent substitute.

 

In any case, Laser General will lose in an equal match-up to Air Force General almost every time. Granted, the Avenger is a helpful unit, but against air units, it's still weaker than both the Quad-Cannon and the Gattling Tank. And it will still die against two King Raptors, which produce faster and are about comparable to the price of the Avenger. (Maybe cheaper... The King Raptor is 1100, so two would be 2200, how much is the Laser General's Avenger?)

 

Add onto that the fact that the Laser General has no long-range weapons other than aircraft (which are easily dropped by Granger anyway), and you can see that the Laser General has almost no hope. Even the Laser Turret won't help him much. I always just use a couple of Stealth Fighters in early game to cause havoc because they drop any of the Turrets (Gattling Cannon, Laser Turret, EMP Patriot, Regular Patriot), easily. If you just keep sending them in, ruining his defenses quickly before he has a chance to build them up, then the win is probably yours. Just use a mix of King Raptors and Stealth Fighters (You'd probably only need four of each.).

 

Hotkey the four Raptors to numbers 7,8,9 and 0, and two Stealth's each to 1 and 2. Send the Stealth's alternately, killing one turret at a time, and use your Raptors to bomb him into submission. Some base defense consisting of a few rocket soldiers in Fire Bases will keep him at bay, and the Raptors can take out a single tank 1 to 1 without any trouble. Make sure to use your scanning a lot. (The Spy Drone is the best use of General Points in early game.) Try to take out all War Factories, forcing him to work with Infantry and Turrets as defense. With the new patch, the Laser General can get Avengers without the Strategy Center, so be sure to keep those things at bay.

 

Against the Laser General, or pretty much any USA general, the Air Force rules. Keep your planes in the sky and the game is yours. That's all I have to say. Keep flyin' high.

 

- Sparticus

[VampireA05 0]

About Gen. Anvil, yeah he can't build overlord. What he have just assault transport, dragon tanks, listening outpost, nuke & inferno cannon. He dn't have any other tanks. But he have the best AA weapon, the mini gunner!

 

Hmmm... I didn't know Anvil's bunker immune to toxin. :?:

 

Platinumnuts, you cannot say Gen Kwai is the worst cos what I found about him is he is very productive. As for me, I always build extra War Factory to suite my purposes. One factory I build Battlemaster and others I build Emperor or Gattling. Even, I think Emperor is very mean TANK.

 

For Gen. Granger, at first time, I feel difficult cos he don't have tanks. So I need to combo my Humvee with 3 missile defender and 2 snipers or rangers. I always manipulate Stealth Commanche Rocket Barrage. Damn effective. Sparticuss' strategy using granger is damn effective.

 

For Gen. Pinpoint, he maybe have the best AA but it's difficult to win with him.

 

Kassad is sneaky. Eventhough he don't have Scorpion & Marauder in his arsenal, a combination of Quad and Rocket Buggy is effective against almost everything.

 

Anyway... I still prefer original U.S army.

[Guest Proof]

Of course one thinks owhat one wants so I personaly am a Laser player. Yes they suck in 1vs1 but in a 2vs2 match they are very good. Combined with gla they are almost unstoppable :wink: .

About laser vs air force belive me that a few spy drones should do the trick. And about the avenger remember that he to has laser point defence ... 8)

[Guest rchandra]

Against the Air Force General, The Laser General is seriously outclassed. Of all the US Generals, the Air Force gained all the upper hands. They got stronger Raptors, cheaper planes, two cloaked air units (Stealth Fighter and Commanche, as well as an excellent aerial defense platform (Combat Chinook).

Add onto that the fact that the Laser General has no long-range weapons other than aircraft (which are easily dropped by Granger anyway), and you can see that the Laser General has almost no hope. Even the Laser Turret won't help him much. I always just use a couple of Stealth Fighters in early game to cause havoc because they drop any of the Turrets (Gattling Cannon, Laser Turret, EMP Patriot, Regular Patriot), easily. If you just keep sending them in, ruining his defenses quickly before he has a chance to build them up, then the win is probably yours. Just use a mix of King Raptors and Stealth Fighters (You'd probably only need four of each.).

 

Hotkey the four Raptors to numbers 7,8,9 and 0, and two Stealth's each to 1 and 2. Send the Stealth's alternately, killing one turret at a time, and use your Raptors to bomb him into submission. Some base defense consisting of a few rocket soldiers in Fire Bases will keep him at bay, and the Raptors can take out a single tank 1 to 1 without any trouble. Make sure to use your scanning a lot. (The Spy Drone is the best use of General Points in early game.) Try to take out all War Factories, forcing him to work with Infantry and Turrets as defense. With the new patch, the Laser General can get Avengers without the Strategy Center, so be sure to keep those things at bay.

 

Against the Laser General, or pretty much any USA general, the Air Force rules. Keep your planes in the sky and the game is yours. That's all I have to say. Keep flyin' high.

 

- Sparticus

[KyleBrogan 0]

Sir, you're talking to a freaking Air Force master. No, just kidding. I see where you're going with this, but unfortunately, I disagree with a few points. If the Laser General is attacking with Laser Tanks, I always just leave a couple Humvees with rockets, coupled with a Combat Chinook stuffed with rockets. If an Avenger finds it's way that far, I use a couple of King Raptors to get rid of the problem. And I guarantee that Humvees with Rockets and TOW can hold their own fine against Laser Tanks. Besides that, my main strategy is to constantly harass my opponent. I like to cause trouble long distance, constantly taking out Dozers, Chinooks, and Turrets. Mostly just causing him enough trouble to make an effective strategy impossible. I use my planes to take out tank lines faster than he can rebuild them. In essense, I eliminate heavy encounters between his ground units and mine.

 

And just on a side note, the Avengers are good, but Gattling Tanks are stronger, and the Quad-Cannon has a longer range. In any case, two King Raptors will blow the crap out of an Avenger, no matter how cool his laser is. To get around losing my aircraft if the Airfield is lost, I send them to a remote part of the map (safe), while rebuilding the field. Then I just make sure not to leave them hanging above the field, but constantly moving. When the time the new airfield is up, I send them all there, and save myself a few grand. It's not that hard, but requires a little thought.

 

I've almost never had a problem taking out the Laser General, no matter how many times I've played against him. I think that he should have been given a few better weapons to work with, but if you want to go ahead and prove my theories, wrong, be my guest. But I wouldn't recommend taking me on with 'im. Watch the skies.

 

- Sparticus

[Guest Proof]

If the Laser General is attacking with Laser Tanks, I always just leave a couple Humvees with rockets, coupled with a Combat Chinook stuffed with rockets. If an Avenger finds it's way that far, I use a couple of King Raptors to get rid of the problem. And I guarantee that Humvees with Rockets and TOW can hold their own fine against Laser Tanks.

 

- Sparticus

 

It seems Im the only Laser supporter but still:

 

1) Avenger =1500$ 2xKing Raptor=2200$ ---> You loose 700 (and when I have 15 Avengers the s**t runs deep)

2)I also use Humvees with MD , Laser tanks are good after u enter his base and wanna kil his buildings quick...

3) Do you know how many TOW's you need to kill an Laser Tank? ---> 6 (with 5 it still lives)

4) IMHO Avengers rule (all 3 of their lasers) , except when u go only with them , cuz they dont attack only with them :?

 

So dont underestimate the Laser and as I said before their real power is revealed in a 2vs2 match when youre TOWs and planes will fall like Newtons apple... (a few drones should fix the stealth problem)

[KyleBrogan 0]

But there's a flaw in your strategies. For one, I never allow my opponent to get more than a couple of Avengers built in the first place. The key to winning with any of the USA Generals isn't to sit back and build a large force, but to constantly attack, harassing resource lines, buildings, workers... Just constantly causing enough trouble that your opponent can't put together a solid enough force to attack with.

 

Now, what kind of a dense Air Force player would let you put together a line of 15 Avengers? Not me. And don't give me anything about rushing. The Air Force General isn't one to bunker in and hold on. His strength is in his strikes. In hitting hard and often. And when it comes to numbers, I really don't mind losing a little cash, but when I strike with planes, I usually have a couple on standby to hit even after one gets taken down.

 

Laser Tanks? Please. Just keep a couple Missle Defenders around to handle them, coupled with Pathfinders to protect from his snipers. (Detection is my specialty, with the Spy Drone being one of my favorite units.)

 

I'm sorry to bust up your ideas, I just have never lost against the Laser General when I control Air Force. I don't think I will, but maybe I just haven't played against anyone good yet. I'd like to play against you just to see what might happen, but I suspect I would add another win to my record instead of being schooled in the arts of Lasers.

 

- Sparticus

[Guest platinumnuts]

Yes Sparticus has it right. As the Air General you can

launch attacks repeatedly, plus don't forget the

quick carpet bomb attack. War factories/avengers

can be repeatedly taken out.

 

Obviously if you sit back and don't attack, the laser general

can build up a very strong defense (i.e. in the Generals

Challange mode). But against most human players, the laser

general is one of the first to go.

 

In fact, you can test this yourself on an 8-player map, free

for all. Make 8 different generals and you should see that

even the AI takes out the Laser general first.

 

Personally, I have never lost to the Laser General, either

in AI or human mode. Other generals, yeah, but not

the laser general.

 

As to the Chinese Tank General comments - its the same

thing here. If your the Air Force general you can just repeatedly

take out those units. Indeed, overlords move so slowly that

a couple of aurora bombers can take out a bunch of them at

once as they are usually always clustered.

 

No, I think the best generals are

 

1. US Air Force

2. Chinese Nuke General (Sparticus, you should try him, you would like

the tactical nuke mig upgrade as well as the helicopter upgrades)

3. GLA Stealth General

 

The chinese infantry general is not far behind if you use him well.

 

I maintain that the worst generals are the Laser general and the

Tank General

[KyleBrogan 0]

I'll give the Nuke a try. However, I've had some trouble with the Tank Gen. before. Mostly, I have trouble with the Gattling Cannon. In fact, that's the only thing I have trouble with. I believe that USA was shortchanged against infantry, because China get's gattling everything, and GLA gets the Quad.

 

And just a side note: I don't exactly believe the Tank General to be too weak. Air Force is an early-game General, but if Tank can survive the initial strikes, it's pretty hard for Air Force to recover. Just a note from me.

 

- Spartie

[Guest rchandra]

Now, what kind of a dense Air Force player would let you put together a line of 15 Avengers? Not me. And don't give me anything about rushing. The Air Force General isn't one to bunker in and hold on. His strength is in his strikes. In hitting hard and often. And when it comes to numbers, I really don't mind losing a little cash, but when I strike with planes, I usually have a couple on standby to hit even after one gets taken down.

 

To build Avenger is faster than to build Raptors, how could you rush the Laser General's base without taking damage ? Supposing you build 1 Raptor, you won't get your Raptor back

 

Laser Tanks? Please. Just keep a couple Missle Defenders around to handle them, coupled with Pathfinders to protect from his snipers. (Detection is my specialty, with the Spy Drone being one of my favorite units.)

I think that Laser Tank is quite powerful to destroy Humvees. Beside it, the Laser General can build Humvees too !

[Guest rchandra]

No, I think the best generals are

 

1. US Air Force

2. Chinese Nuke General (Sparticus, you should try him, you would like

the tactical nuke mig upgrade as well as the helicopter upgrades)

3. GLA Stealth General

I don't think that the third best General is GLA Stealth General.

He doesn't have scorpion, marauder, and SCUD Launcher.

It is very hard to attack the enemy base because of that, especially China.

If you use Buggies to destroy the enemy base, it will be very difficult because of the China's ECM tank.

The Sneak Attack may be effective, but against Alexander it is nothing because of The EMP PAtriots.

Rebel Ambush may be effective too, but it is useless against USA because USA have pathfinders to kick their ass.

[Guest Master & Commande]

I think the beste general is:

 

1.Superweapon general

2.China nuke general

3.GLA demolition general

[Guest jturk3]

I think the beste general is:

 

1.Air Force general

2.Superweapon general

3.China nuke general

[KyleBrogan 0]

To build Avenger is faster than to build Raptors, how could you rush the Laser General's base without taking damage ? Supposing you build 1 Raptor, you won't get your Raptor back

 

The Air Force General's King Raptor builds faster than any air unit in the game, and also builds faster than the Avenger. Besides that, Granger's Air Field will be up faster than the War Factory, and you can kiss goodbye the builders. Just trust me. Air Force can handle Avenger's fine.

 

I think that Laser Tank is quite powerful to destroy Humvees. Beside it, the Laser General can build Humvees too !

 

You're failing to realize that you never send single units with the USA. That's what China's for. You send Humvees, with Rockets, with some Combat Chinooks or Commanches. Maybe a Tomahawk or two. Never send "just Humvees." You still will never win this arguement. Air Force > Laser General, every time.

 

- Sparticus

[Guest Master & Commande]

I think you won´t defeat laser general playing with Air force!!

[Guest Master & Commande]

I think the best general is:

 

1.Superweapon general

2.China nuke general

3.GLA demolition general

[KyleBrogan 0]

I think you won´t defeat laser general playing with Air force!!

 

Is there anyone else who thinks this to be the idiotic statement of the year? Besides the fact that it just sounds funny, it doesn't even mean anything, because it isn't back up with any reasoning whatsoever. I think this guy might just sway my opinion... Oh! I can feel my resolve slipping! I'm going to declare Laser stronger any second now!

 

- Sparticus

[Guest Proof]

As far as I know an airport is more vulnerable than the war factory, dont you think? And I didnt state that Laser rulz in 1vs1 I just said that he is one of the best against Airforce gen and if I ever play with other gen in a 2vs2 match than my ally should better be the Laser gen (No Scud or T. will hit my base)

Recently ive started to love the Alpha Aurora (now in 1.02). Managed to destroy over 12 base def with 1...

Think about it... :?

[Guest rchandra]

Yes, airfield is more vulnerable.

It takes large area to build, and you must keep it from being destroyed or you should fly your planes somewhere to avoid being crashed.

By the way, is there any opinion about the strength and weakness about generals in Zero Hour ?

As far as I know, this topic takes a lot about Air Force and Laser General, I'm not going to discuss that Generals further, because I'm stuck with them.

How about the other general ?

Any opinion ?

[Guest Master & Commande]

Infantry defeats Usa but it lose vs GLA toxin