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Again, I'm asking you for any reason besides Iraq for believing this. If you have no other reason, it IS blind prejudice! I'm legitimately curious because I don't know much about Australian politics.

Alphabear, you can be painfully difficult to talk to because you are so SLOW to see some things. I've never seen anything quite like it. Alright... now here we are in a semantics game. Let me clear the air again, because you sure as hell didn't get it the first time. What I supplied weren't "my own" definitions, but workable meanings for words that we're using that work with the context of the discussion. This is to stop morons from looking up dictionary.com and saying in all caps "OMG NO UR WRONG LOOK @ DEFINITION NUMBER 7 LOL!!!!11" Strict definitions in debates like this are meaningless, and I see that you remembered me mentioning that earlier, though you horribly missed the point. What I did here is lay out what kind of "Jihad" and "jihadist" we're talking about. If you disagree, then we're talking about two different things. Now, with this in mind, go reread my last post. Maybe it will stick this time. Alright, now again let me clear the air on THIS one. A Jihad is a very specific and very big thing. To use this term lightly is idiotic and irresponsible. There is NO SUCH THING AS A CHRISTIAN JIHADIST you moron. Man, I am REALLY sick of this. Call them modern day "crusaders" if you like, but pulling a word from a different religion and sticking it on Christianity is nothing but an attempt to equate the two. You are a blind fool for not seeing this. If in fact you are a Christian (you sure can't tell), then this is pure idiocy talking. Knock it off. Jihadists are the ones raping and killing children, raiding and shooting up schools, suicide bombing women and children, and cutting the heads off of westerners with dull knives. Calling even the idiots from my religion by the dirty name "jihadist" is obscene and incredibly offensive. KNOCK IT OFF. -Extremists exist in EVERY DAMN RELIGION. Evidence of them is relatively small, isolated acts of violence. You've pointed this out (in VERY small numbers) coming from Christianity. Congrats, you proved an extremist minority. I can do that with ANY religion or group. What we've established here: Christian extremists exist. Got it? Be sure to pay attention. -Jihadists come from ONE religion (that's WHERE THE NAME COMES FROM), and are involved in a Jihad, which is a struggle against an enemy of some sort ("my struggle" in some translations- NOT ALL). Evidence of this includes organized acts of violence on a relatively large scale with a very specific end in mind and run by a religious power with a large amount of influence. Any evidence of this in Christianity? Hell no. Well it sure ended up pretty big on 9/11 and many other bloody days made so by those animals. Your nitpicking here is really obnoxious, you know that? Yes but not in size. You are a fool. Period. To so callously lump Christianity in with those Islamic monsters engaged in REAL jihad is unforgivable. I don't see how a Christian could ever, ever do that. But hey, again, maybe I'm not as "open-minded" as you or as loose with definitions. :roll: The record is there to for anyone to see. I still don't see how that happened. It didn't. Your stance here IS rabidly anti-Christian. I can't speak for where you stand, but it sure as hell doesn't sound like a Christian talking. Also, size is only one factor here. The fact that you're using a MUSLIM word for Christian extremism is extremely pointed and, given the horrible attrocities commited recently IN the name of Jihad, incredibly upsetting to me, as a Christian. How you can't see where I'm coming from is absolutely unbelievable to me.

Alpha, I appreciate how you're trying to deflect here, but let me put out there what you're trying to prove: There exists a certain equivalency between Christians and Muslims in that both are guilty of bloody jihads. Yes, you ARE in fact making this comparison because of the very use of the word "jihad" (a Muslim word- look it up). My assumption that you have a blind disdain and, yes, hatred, is the fact that you can make this claim without seeing how incredibly ridiuculous it is. An alternate explanation would be stupidity, but I don't think you're stupid. Aw, that's cute. Let me make one thing perfectly clear: A "jihadist", for the sake of this discussion, is someone motivated purely by religion, believes in murder and other attrocities that are justified by God, and acts out this belief by murdering, destroying, and doing the things that jihadists do. And, a "jihad", using the example set by our friends in the Mulsim world and their REAL jihad, is a large scale, global movement of thousands of jihadists who have proven their existence by killing on a LARGE scale. Now if your point is really as benign and boring as "there are extremists in Christianity too" (something ANYONE would agree with), then don't be an idiot and use incredibly loaded words like "jihad" to make it. What "collection"?? The only relevent examples you could produce were the few isolated abortion bombings from YEARS ago. You compare this (BY USE OF THE WORD "JIHAD") to the Islamic Jihad?? Are you insane? Oh, and for the record, this statement, to the casual observer, sounds incredibly anti-Christian. No, it would be more accurate to say that you are a very, very poor communicator and that, yes, you do have some anti-Christian prejudice (whether it be your "religion" or not :lol:). Yeah, it's called throwing up a straw man. I didn't do that, nor do I ever. I don't have to. How exactly do you think I did this? This is very simple. I believe (like any sane person) that there are extremists in Christianity (just like ANY other group or religion). I don't believe in a Christian Jihad. You believe in a Christian Jihad, but all you can produce are examples that prove, really, a pretty small amount of extremism. That's the argument and where it stands.

WELCOME. One of the options says "can't get of of it"? How can you misspell "off" when it's right next to the word "of"? Unbelievable.....

Now that's just unfair. Besides going to Iraq (which you apparently agree with), how has he done "anyting the US wants"? Is this just blind prejudice talking or what?

Are you study english as well? :lol: If you want to butt heads over scientific credibility, you might want to use non-caveman-like grammar :lol:. But you've piqued my curiosity. In what capacity are you "studying science"? :roll: Ugh... alright, I'll tear these apart now. 1. The Crusades were motivated more by politics and military ambition than pure religion. They were a brief spasm in history caused by a corrupt and overly powerful Catholic church. Keep in mind that I'm a Protestant, so you won't find me defending the Catholic church. And, for the record, the Muslims weren't exactly saints back then either. But hey, how about a CURRENT (and relevant) example? :roll: (and for the record- they were committed BY Christians ON Christians) 2. The Spanish Inquisition was, like the Crusades, an example of a corrupt and evil POLITCAL power. These were all about domination and power and NOT about pure religion. 3. The KKK. You're kidding, right? First of all, they were not terrorists. Second of all, they were NOT A RELIGIOUS GRUOP. They were a social club that has degenerated into a purely racist organization, and now a couple of hicks that like to piss off the blacks in America. How the hell do you consider them an example of "Christian Jihadism"? :roll: 4. ANTI ABORTIONISTS?? Alright, you're REALLY reaching. Now I happen to be an anti abortionist (something about sucking the brains out of babies with a hose kinda rubs me the wrong way), so would you consider me a Christian Jihadist? Those COUPLE abortion clinic bombings YEARS AGO were committed by a tiny rogue group (and don't even try to compare that "tiny rogue group" to the modern global movement of Islamo-fascism :roll:). They were motivated by a MORAL objection. Yes, they were technically terrorist attacks (tiny ones), but you'd be an idiot to consider that a Christian Jihad. Plus, I wouldn't be so quick to compare these couple relatively small bombings to the slayings of THOUSANDS on a GLOBAL scale. But hey, maybe I'm not as "open-minded" as you :roll:. So, yeah. I'm still waiting on evidence of that Christian Jihad. Keep trying. I know I don't see the world through such a blinding and cynical disdain for Christianity as you apparently do, but still... you aren't convincing anyone that a Christian Jihad equivalent exists. We can't all share your blind hatred. Oh, and those were some cute websites. Call me crazy, but I don't think that some tongue-in-cheek calls of action to Christians constitute a global crusade to convert people by the sword. Way to miss some lousy humor there alpha .

There's nothing like a bombing to wake up a nation.

I actually never saw the resident evil movies, so I could be wrong :wink:

Well I do. Perhaps if you looked a little harder? You see, the belief in literal day creationism ties into the young earth theory, which is backed by very large volumes of scientific evidence, and, frankly, in some ways does a better job of explaining what we know about the earth than the idea of an earth that's billions of years old. Now I spend every day studying this stuff in depth. Trust me when I tell you- it's science. NB, a "religion" is a systematic set of rules and traditions. Something that's "religious" relates to these rules and/or traditions. How the hell is a discussion about the origins of the earth religious? If anything it's a clash of worldviews. A literal belief in the Genesis account of earth's creation is NOT RELIGOUS. Neither is belief in an account of Julius Caesar's life, or any other historical document. Get it? Are you really this slow? First of all, I never digressed. Second of all, it takes one very simple thing to prove that "Christian Jihadism" exists- a SINGLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE. Produce that and you win. Otherwise, shut up about it already. You lose. We've been over this.

My previous post stands. It's a very, very low key scientific discussion. Nothing to do with religion. But please, by all means, continue to "monitor" it. :lol:

Ooohh, thanks for the consideration there hypno. This new topic isn't at all religious. It in some ways relates to religion (what doesn't?), but it is absolutely a scientific discussion. I know that your trigger finger is itchy after being made a moderator, but there's no reason to get uppity about this thread.

Luk3us is absolutely right. I've never seen a good video game movie, ever.

...in that we proved that it just plain doesn't exist. I would say that it doesn't really even matter. That said, I think that both of these ideas have their merits, but I would most likely lean toward the Day-Age theory.

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For the record: Anyone who criticizes any music with "ZZzz" is a fool. There are many valid criticisms for music, but your own boredom just isn't one. Just because the music may not be punchy, loud, or bright and shiny enough to catch your childish attention doesn't mean that it isn't great music. That said, Thrice - 10 Tristania - 16 Killswitch Engage - 12 GWAR - 10 Frank Klepacki - 2 Showbread - 12 Wilco - 12 Motley Crue - 12 Sufjan Stevens - 12 (Heal - one of the greatest musicians alive) Pearl Jam - 6 Winter Rose - 8 Alice Cooper - 4 (Hurt - all flash, no substance = lousy music) Aerosmith - 12 Office of Strategic Influence - 10 Jordan Rudess - 10

Hahaha... oh the memories I'd have to say that the patching process altogether sucks, and so does the inherent insecurity in the way the internet is currently set up. Hackers have it far too easy.

hahaha, it is what it is- very open to interpretation

That is an interesting thing to ponder... they seem to be indicating something pretty big here. They wouldn't mention some ominous "other plans" with the video if they were only referring to a console port. Could it BE a movie of sorts? Do you think they're considering, at the very least, a little straight-to-dvd movie? Considering the quality of these FMVs and the distribution power of EA, that doesn't seem out of the question or unrealistic at all. That would certainly be interesting....

Dude... this guy vyper didn't flinch and run away! He said "thanks"! Excellent vyper, that is a great sign!

...for the record, as I said in an earlier post about this, there is MUCH room for pessimism here (ahem, luk3us ).

WELCOME.

Hehe... pretty funny rant there. It reminds me of a recent South Park episode where Mr. Garrison says something very similar .

Thrice - 10 Tristania - 16 Killswitch Engage - 8 GWAR - 10 (Hehe... gwar. Hurt ) Frank Klepacki - 8 (Are we really letting this happen? Heal.) Showbread - 12 Wilco - 12 Heal Motley Crue - 10 Sufjan Stevens - 10 Pearl Jam - 6 Winter Rose - 10 Alice Cooper - 2 Aerosmith - 12 Office of Strategic Influence - 10 Jordan Rudess - 12