Oh my God, this is sick

[Doctor Destiny 41]

No, **** Cindy Sheehan. She's a dumb bitch who didn't make her great "crusade" until her kid died. She's a selfish, arrogant bitch. She doesn't care about anyone but herself. She just disguises her motives with things people want to hear. People don't like Bush, they support her. Not a good thing to be perfectly honest.

 

Iraq is becoming a mistake. It has been for months and it's only getting worse. We can't remove ourselves though lest we let Iraq fall into a chaotic battleground on a scale that ranks with the African civil strife.

[Hybrid 0]

Iraq was a mistake from the first day. Iraq was a mistake when they already had it planned before 9/11, iraq was a mistake back in 1991, iraq was a mistake when the CIA helped saddam into power. How many mistakes did it take to see that the 2003 war was also going to be a mistake?

 

People who forget history are condemned to repeat it. Vietnam over again i think, your seeing mass civil movements and protests. Don't fall for the media bull**** about cindy. Why don't you guys pick on the random protester, telling them that they are selfish and arrogant because they are protesting. Get real fen, your attacking cindy because shes in the media spotlight, if she never got the spotlight, you'd never have known who the **** she was and what the **** happened to her. You'll never have cared, why do you feel so strongly about her now? You do realise thats exactly how the american elite wins, by exploiting emotions and using scapegoats. The government is the same thing, they disguist their motives with things people want to hear. If they told their true motives there would be a revolution. Best to keep people in the dark, after all, ignorant people never find the light unless they search for it.

 

Iraq was a mistake correct, Iran will be a mistake, so will Syria. Or are we gunna have to wait until America is in civil war to realise that? I support cindy because she isn't selfish, shes working against the greed and arrogance that is both the British and American governments.

 

The corporate elite of Britain and America should have thought about Iraq when they ordered the CIA to help him into power, they didn't because they knew they could use saddam to achieve what they wanted with Iraq.

[General Leang 0]

Oh, you would know. Was it Elvis who orchastrated the September 11 plot? Did he organise the planes to be hijacked and flown into buildings? And is Elvis one of the Roswell aliens?

[Hybrid 0]

I've never stated i would know. No one does except those who did the attacks. You can either believe the official story, believe a conspiracy or believe nothing. It's best to believe nothing, because then you will not be misled by either sides or parties.

 

After all i remember a famous philosophier said, "to realise our knowledge as ignorance is best, to realise our ignorance as knowledge is a disease."

[Doctor Destiny 41]

Here we go with that hindsight stuff again. It's always 20/20. Looking bad and deciding it was bad is always easier than actually having to critically think about it. Each move had a great idea behind it... Somewhere along the line, that great idea bites you in the ass.

 

ABout Sheehan... Why do I care so much? Really, think about it. She's not there to stop any greed and arrogance. She wants the spotlight. All she wants from people is "feel sorry for me, my kid died." What about the other people who have lost loved ones? Why don't they get any media attention? Attention whores get ratings. Cindy Sheehan is an attention whore.

 

And by the way, not every protestor is an attention whore. I firmly believe that many of really do feel passionately and are really working for the greater good. Stupid bitches like Sheehan however, are not.

[General Leang 0]

For the sake of arguement, say there is a conspiracy to take Iraq's oil. The trigger for this is to have passenger airlines hijacked and flown into buildings. Hollywood create mock up videos of Bin Laden claiming responsibility and America begins their war on terror by attacking Afghanistan, because they are a weak country and a good testing ground for the preplanned invasion of Iraq. After the people of Afghanistan have been 'liberated' America investigate Iraq over weapons of mass destruction. They set up disputes and plant evidence so they can go to war. America wipes the floor with Saddam and now they are shipping all of Iraq's oil back to America where they can hoard it and push petroleum prices to the moon, and blame it on the fictional insurgents of Iraq who in reality are unsung heroes fighting against the evil empire. Now, be honest, all of that is pretty thin, would you not agree?

[Hybrid 0]

Here we go with that hindsight stuff again. It's always 20/20. Looking bad and deciding it was bad is always easier than actually having to critically think about it. Each move had a great idea behind it... Somewhere along the line, that great idea bites you in the ass.

 

True, we had hindsight from what, the 1980s? So why did we decide to go to war in 1991 and 2003? Here comes that history repeating itself again. I wonder why that is. Maybe because humans are good at accepting false knowledge and rejecting true wisdom.

 

Every move had a great idea behind it, true. Thats why we are in this mess, that is why this mess is going to get worse. That is why this decade is going to be one of the harshest decades mankind has ever seen. We can stop it, but we won't because we are all fools. We've been misled by the devil himself. Ignorance. we chose the easy option, every day we follow the easy option its harder to get out.

 

ABout Sheehan... Why do I care so much? Really, think about it. She's not there to stop any greed and arrogance. She wants the spotlight. All she wants from people is "feel sorry for me, my kid died."

 

Maybe so, maybe not. Your not sheehan, you don't know what shes thinking. Again this is your view fen, your opinion. Opinions don't count in this world. They will never account whilst we have false democracies based on minority groups and centralise corporate systems that are slowly beginning to represent those fascist and communist systems everyone "worked" to eliminate in the 20th century. Uh ho... History repeating itself.

 

Tales from the time loop. Sheehan is an elite scapegoat, your focused on hating her because she lost her son and is grieving and the real criminals in government are getting away with murder, literally.

 

What about the other people who have lost loved ones? Why don't they get any media attention? Attention whores get ratings. Cindy Sheehan is an attention whore.

 

I assume George W Bush is an attention whore too? Best bet, cut the media, people might start thinking for themselves that way. Or maybe they would be lost because their beloved government isn't telling them how to live, **** and piss.

 

And by the way, not every protestor is an attention whore. I firmly believe that many of really do feel passionately and are really working for the greater good. Stupid bitches like Sheehan however, are not.

 

I never said they were. You seem angry fen. Turn on FOX News, get some more opium for the masses. Thats the true dope. The only reason Cindy is on news is because they choose to follow her, the elite choose to have her as there antiwar scapegoat and she chooses to play right into their hands. But shes also getting results fen. Hence why when the western economic struggle and possible collapse really begins to show, people will not sit on that arses anymore.

[General Leang 0]

Bush is the Devil now? I thought he was Hitler.

 

Cookoo.

[Hybrid 0]

For the sake of arguement, say there is a conspiracy to take Iraq's oil. The trigger for this is to have passenger airlines hijacked and flown into buildings. Hollywood create mock up videos of Bin Laden claiming responsibility and America begins their war on terror by attacking Afghanistan, because they are a weak country and a good testing ground for the preplanned invasion of Iraq. After the people of Afghanistan have been 'liberated' America investigate Iraq over weapons of mass destruction. They set up disputes and plant evidence so they can go to war. America wipes the floor with Saddam and now they are shipping all of Iraq's oil back to America where they can hoard it and push petroleum prices to the moon, and blame it on the fictional insurgents of Iraq who in reality are unsung heroes fighting against the evil empire. Now, be honest, all of that is pretty thin, would you not agree?

 

For sakes of argument, if a conspiracy existed, it wouldn't be that complex. It would be more likely 9/11 was either allowed to happen or was set up (hence the shaking ground at ground zero on the day when 3 bombs were reported to have went off in the basement... Oh yeah, they never went back to that story. Research that, because there were 2 reporters who reported that on the day, then it was never show again on the air.).

 

Iraq was planned, why would they have invaded it in 1991 if it wasn't? Daddy didn't finish the job, so good old junior will become the 2nd puppet of the elite to try achieve the job.

 

I could go into detail, but you wouldn't accept it as what i could say would seem absurd. I believe people need to start questioning their government now, people need to start thinking and researching themselves. Don't believe anything anyone tells you, thats how people end up controlling you. Thats why communists came to power in 1917 in Russia, thats why the nazis came to power in 1933 in Germany. I find it ridiculious that people can't believe their government could ever be corrupt, after all that happened in the 20th century. If people don't start researching about things whilst they can, they will never know the possibilies and truth that could lie out there.

 

BTW in Iraq 2 british soldiers got arrested a few weeks ago, although the reason why was kept out the media. They had to bust them out of jail. Now what we know is these soldiers were driving a car (not sure if it was jeep), they were in normal civilian clothes. Isn;t it possible cars could be planted with bombs just to give a reason to stay in iraq. It is, problem is no one knows.

 

As i said, you can either believe or not believe. I choose not to believe. I choose to realise that there are possibilies of both, i choose to realise i'm ignorant, i will always be ignorant, the world is too big to know all. Only God is allknowing. I am a human being, not God.

 

Bush is the Devil now? I thought he was Hitler.

 

Cookoo.

 

I don't think i said bush is the devil. The devil is symbolic for human ignorance. It is what causes all suffering on this earth. It is what we mistake as knowledge and that is why live of earth is like hell currently, because the truth is replaced by ignorance rather than wisdom.

[General Leang 0]

So...the Iraqis invading Kuwait, was that an American conspiracy as well? Thought not.

[Hybrid 0]

No, but obviously what happened before it was a key factor into it. You know? The American funded Iraq/Iran War? The ones british, american and european corporations gained from again. The one that ruined Iraqs economy to the point it's civilians were suffering. Then they found Iraqi oil was now being undercut by Kuwaiti oil, so they invaded. We then had a good plan and invade them. After we decided we'd wait 10 years, pull out and get the elitist UN to install santions on them which caused more suffering.

 

We've done a good job in the middle east. We've screwed it dry and now we decide its time to control it, obviously that way we can bring in fascist states quicker.

 

Anyway, the reason i posted here was not to cause a disagreement. Over the last few years i've had enough political arguments stating my opinions. The truth is opinions don't matter and they will never matter whilst we are ruled by elites and bureaucracy. I posted here to highlight points that there are other alternative theories to whats really going on. I gave up on politics long ago, i've ever amazed myself i got in so deep trying to explain pointless and useless points. Philosophy explains all about the world.

 

America, Britain, Europe and the UN are all together. Its a huge elite. They rule this world, what they say goes. If they decide they want to bring a fascist state it happens. Since WWII they have bribed people with better lives and better living to the point people no longer question the governments. This is why this decade 2005 - 2015, will remain noticable to human history for a long long time. We are in a very dark period, we no longer know what goes on inside our government, we no longer see the full picture, they tell us what they want and we shovel it down like its the truth. It's probably far from that. Its more likely the truth is the opposite. I think people need to stop believing and start questioning. Questioning only brings you to knowledge and past events, past evens brings you to understand, understanding brings you to choice, choosing a good or bad chose helps you gain wisdom. Wisdom is what mankind needs at this hour, not arguing over politics. Politics was designed to divide public opinion anyway.

 

If the public are fighting each other over politics, they won't bother questioning where the real problem lies. The elites, who are now far too powerful for the good of the world.

 

My two cents, peace out guys. Good night, don't let my "conspiracy theories" turn you all too much into heavy paranoid maniacs like myself

[General Leang 0]

If America is as bad as you say, why are they not after you to stop you from exposing their conspiracies?

 

Going back to the original topic, even if every word of every conspiracy is the truth, how can calling for the peace movement to include killing American soldiers and the heinous comments anti war protesters have made be justified? They claim to be against war and killing, then turn arouind and support it so long as it is Americans.

[Hybrid 0]

I think after i ended my previous post it would be foolish to repond to this, but i'll choose the foolish path this time.

 

If America is as bad as you say, why are they not after you to stop you from exposing their conspiracies?

 

I'll ask them when they catch me... Your defensive of america. Are you american? I'm simply amazed why you would defend a country. Countries are just power bases over people. We are all people of the earth, not people of america, china, england, europe. We are people of planet earth. Why do we choose to view ourselves as people of countries? These "conspiracies" aren't just america. They are European, British, American and the UN. Heck i knew it was foolish to respond to this post. I've just made it sound as if i have a firm conclusion.

 

I do not have firm conclusions, i research, i gain more knowledge, i post and gain more experience in discussing all these ideas with people. That way i gain wisdom, may be little, but its good to have. Wisdom does not give firm conclusions, it gives people the ability to think freely, creatively and openly.

 

No one knows anything. Thats the problem? Don't you see that as a problem? If you don't then you really need to find a better perspective to how your mind is being exploited for gains of greedy men and power hungry groups. You make out you do know something though, so i might ask a general point. Are you a member of the american government? Do you know something i don't? Would you like to share that with me? Obviously as no one knows anything except those within the various organisations that rule this world, we cannot make firm conclusions on whats really going on. We can only imagine and keep an open mind. Once you close your mind around a belief, any belief, whether that is the official story to 9/11 or the existance of god, you blind yourself to all other possibilies, all other truth. That is ignorance and to say ignorance is the way forward, that is a crucifix with a mans body hanging off it. I'm sure you know what type of anology i'm going for there...

 

Going back to the original topic, even if every word of every conspiracy is the truth, how can calling for the peace movement to include killing American soldiers and the heinous comments anti war protesters have made be justified? They claim to be against war and killing, then turn arouind and support it so long as it is Americans.

 

Nobody knows the truth. I'm sure there are high ranking members in the elite who still do not know the truth. If you do not know something you are ignorant. Ignorance is the problem, to accept ignorance is the disease eating away at mankind. This is where these conspiracy theories come from. As long as we have a centralised government and a centralised economy, we will forever fall victim to our ignorance.

 

The peace movement is including the number that died, i'm quite sure the "peace" movement isn't sending any money to terrorists or tax money into iraq to fund those soldiers dying... The peace movement is the scapegoat of the elite, the elite is the scapegoat of the peace movement. You choose an enemy, you've again become ignorant. The enemy is not the peace movement, it is not the elite, it is ignorance itself. For people to begin enlighting themselves again, they must accept that the truth is not known, they must be ready to accept whatever truth comes to them. When enlightment reaches a certain level, the elite can no longer exist anyway and the peace movement can neither exist as there is no reason for war. Sadly this would have to be done on a collective scale, and thats very unlikely.

 

We failed to learn from our mistakes in WWI, WWII so we are condemned to repeat it. Watch whats unfolding here, look at the signs. Open your eyes and your mind. We are heading for the biggest **** off war mankind has seen. And it could start with civil wars within our own countries.

 

Then again... I hope i'm wrong. I would like to be proved wrong, but the signs i see are pointing towards it. Time will tell.

 

Huge essay over... I'm now off to bed.

[General Leang 0]

Your defensive of america. Are you american?

 

Have a look at my avater. Who do you see? The boss general of China. Look at the quote. Is it an American quote? Look at the banner, is the person in it American? No...okay half American. To spell it out, no, I am not American, nor do I work for them to expose conspiracy theorists.

 

I'm simply amazed why you would defend a country. Countries are just power bases over people. We are all people of the earth, not people of america, china, england, europe. We are people of planet earth. Why do we choose to view ourselves as people of countries? These "conspiracies" aren't just america. They are European, British, American and the UN. Heck i knew it was foolish to respond to this post. I've just made it sound as if i have a firm conclusion.

 

So who is not part of this conspiracy? Islam? The same Islam that sets out to kill innocent people, including those of their own race and religion because they are not radical enough?

 

No one knows anything. Thats the problem? Don't you see that as a problem? If you don't then you really need to find a better perspective to how your mind is being exploited for gains of greedy men and power hungry groups.

 

I know what I see with my own two eyes. I know that the World Trade Centre was destroyed by planes that had been hijacked. There is no getting around that one. I see Bin Laden claiming responsibility, which can be passed off as being done in Hollywood but is very much a stretch. I have not seen Bin Laden deny responsibility and the videos. A news service would have reported it if he did, they are not all part of this grand conspiracy. I see the problems weapons inspectors had with Iraq. I see the insurgents executing those they have kidnapped. Much of the rest of what I see and what the media reports I see only really only contested by bog standered 'Bush is Hitler' protests and sources such as Michael Moore, who, with apologies th fans of his, has proven himself to be a bull**** artist extrodanare.

 

 

You make out you do know something though, so i might ask a general point. Are you a member of the american government? Do you know something i don't? Would you like to share that with me?

 

You theorise that I am a government agent. No, I would like to be though I freely admit that. I would like to be Ada Wong and work for the CIA or whoever it is she works for. But I am not. I am not involved in the conspiracy to hijack planes, fly them into the World Trade Centre and place the blame on Islamists. I am not a part of the plot to take over Iraq so America can capture the oil and inflate their prices. In short, I am not a part of any conspiracy theory, nor to the best of my knowledge is there any such conspiracy theory taking place. Speaking of which, look at the word. Conspiracy theory. That is what it is, a theory.

 

The enemy is not the peace movement, it is not the elite, it is ignorance itself.

 

You claim that the enemy is not the elite, yet before you are saying how they are behind conspiracies to take over the Middle East. You know, I think I see what the favored footwear of conspiracy theorists, anti war protesters and American and Western haters is. Flip flops.

[F15pilotX 4]

I find it ridiculious that people can't believe their government could ever be corrupt, after all that happened in the 20th century. If people don't start researching about things whilst they can, they will never know the possibilies and truth that could lie out there.

All governments can, and most do become corrupted over time, if not immediately, and the American government is no exception; however, just because one administration decides to oust a dictator doesn't mean it is completely corrupt. :wink:

BTW in Iraq 2 british soldiers got arrested a few weeks ago, although the reason why was kept out the media. They had to bust them out of jail. Now what we know is these soldiers were driving a car (not sure if it was jeep), they were in normal civilian clothes. Isn;t it possible cars could be planted with bombs just to give a reason to stay in iraq. It is, problem is no one knows.

Do you REALLY believe that 2 normal soldiers serving they're country, would suicide against their own countrymen??? :roll:

 

As i said, you can either believe or not believe. I choose not to believe. I choose to realise that there are possibilies of both, i choose to realise i'm ignorant, i will always be ignorant, the world is too big to know all. Only God is allknowing. I am a human being, not God.

Your right on that though

 

I don't think i said bush is the devil. The devil is symbolic for human ignorance. It is what causes all suffering on this earth. It is what we mistake as knowledge and that is why live of earth is like hell currently, because the truth is replaced by ignorance rather than wisdom.

Whoah, there: the devil is perfectly real, not a metaphor; human ignorance doesn't cause suffering, rather, sin does. We only know right from wrong (i.e. conscience) because adam and eve ate the apple in the garden of eden, thereby losing their innocence :wink:

[TheBlackOut 7]

Personally, I think Cindy Sheehan is doing a great job, it was about time someone stood up and defended innocent people and exploited families children from being sent into war zones made for greed and corruption. You do realise a DRAFT in the US is likely if Iran or Syria are the next targets. Think about it, you are not fighting for freedom or your country, your fighting to make rich men even richer and give the world elites more control and domination over peoples lives and minds.

 

I am not a support of her, but I do support protests.

 

Why did the media make such a field day out of her? There are mothers who have lost more than just one of their children yet the media ignores them and goes to her.

 

The media is liberial, and people believe the media too much. Trust me, if the media praised Bush for everything he did he would be Mr. Popularity.

 

There will be no draft by the way. Iran we do not have intentions to start a war with unless the U.N. backs it up, same with Syria.

 

The U.N. is now getting more frastrated with Iran, so probably they will call for the U.S. and the European Union to take military action, if that happens, we will actually have support and we won't need a draft. And boohoo if there's a draft, you lived in this country, why not fight for it?

Or would you run to another when there are hard-times? There are always hard-times, for everyone, you just have to accept it.

[TheBlackOut 7]

"People look at all this and think of Hitler—and they are right to do so. The Bush Regime"

 

 

I got those from the site http://www.worldcantwait.org/

 

Oh my god, these people are lunitics! They compare Hitler to Bush? It proves people do not pay attention in History. Hitler eliminated 6million Jews and other minorities. Bush? Liberated a country desperately seeking help? If you were going to compare someone to Hitler, it should be Saddam Huessin, he had mass-graves, he was a murderer, OF HIS OWN PEOPLE!

 

Don't go to school?! What the ****, these people are trying to bring our country down! After seeing this, I know I am staying Republican. I know Republicans ain't perfect but damn, we are ALOT sanier than those Democrats. The Democrats have lost their way, they used to be for the common working man, now they just basically cater to the rich mostly, and they keep the blacks down, and say the Republicans do! We are the ones that put women and a black women in office, and they don't say, that is good, no they critize it.

 

Kind of offtopic, but I needed to say that.

[Dr. Rodney McKay 0]

Discussion of politcs makes me puke. So much stupdity.

[Acerz492 1]

After seeing this, I know I am staying Republican. I know Republicans ain't perfect but damn, we are ALOT sanier than those Democrats. The Democrats have lost their way, they used to be for the common working man, now they just basically cater to the rich mostly, and they keep the blacks down, and say the Republicans do! We are the ones that put women and a black women in office, and they don't say, that is good, no they critize it.

 

Kind of offtopic, but I needed to say that.

 

Oh come on, Deomcrats and Republicans are both as bad as each other. Best to, in Fenring's words, sit on the fence and be a pussy than be an asshole on either side. :roll:

 

Oh my god, these people are lunitics! They compare Hitler to Bush? It proves people do not pay attention in History. Hitler eliminated 6million Jews and other minorities. Bush? Liberated a country desperately seeking help?

 

Apart from them both being idiots, they had nothing in common. Good point there. However I don't believe that he was comparing Bush and Hitler in that way (the whole genocide thing). I believe that he meant that like Hitler did with Germany, Bush is leading America down the road to destruction.

 

I, like the majority of the people in the world, do not want to see that happen.

[Hybrid 0]

This is going to be interesting...

 

Have a look at my avater. Who do you see? The boss general of China. Look at the quote. Is it an American quote? Look at the banner' date=' is the person in it American? No...okay half American. To spell it out, no, I am not American, nor do I work for them to expose conspiracy theorists. [/quote']

 

I already knew that, i was making a simple point. Its morning now, not 2am in the morning and i feel more awake so maybe i can focus on my points without struggling. I meant you don't work for the US government, so how are you entirely sure you know whats going on. You make out as if its logical, but it isn't, because there is no logic when it comes to the current wars and the current world situation. People wonder where conspiracy theories come from, it comes from the ignorance and unknowing nature of humans. Conspiracy theories may be true or false, but they will always exist whilst our government controls knowledge to keep us in the dark. Knowledge is power, that is how the continue to rule.

 

So who is not part of this conspiracy? Islam? The same Islam that sets out to kill innocent people' date=' including those of their own race and religion because they are not radical enough?[/quote']

 

I found this comment beyond amusing. Are you really falling into the trap of believing a RELIGION, an IDEOLOGY is corrupt? Don't be niieve. Islam is not the issue, its a religion and ideology. Ideologies are not corrupt, the people that exploit them are. Don't blame billions of people who follow Islam for the smallest minorities atrocities. Those who use the names as a cover are just as fraudulent as the Bush administration with their christian/jesus bull****.

 

I know what I see with my own two eyes.

That is the illusion my friend. Just because you see something with your eyes' date=' it doesn't mean what others tell you that happened actually happened. Don't be misled by your senses, there are totally different levels of consciousness that your senses cannot help you perceive.

 

I know that the World Trade Centre was destroyed by planes that had been hijacked. There is no getting around that one.

You were on the planes? You managed to see the terrorists, jump out the plane before it crashed and land safely on the ground i assume? How do you know those planes were not remote controlled? The technology exists, what's stopping that?

 

I know i know, i better say something before i get called the totally obvious... It's predictable by people that refuse to see there are other possibilies.

 

I'm not saying to believe conspiracy theories people, i'm saying don't believe anything unless you know the real truth. Sadly in "times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

 

 

I see Bin Laden claiming responsibility' date=' which can be passed off as being done in Hollywood but is very much a stretch. I have not seen Bin Laden deny responsibility and the videos.[/quote']

 

Who needs hollywood to make fake videos? What if bin laden was an agent for the CIA. Where is Bin Laden now? Why hasn't be been caught? You all seem to forget, after Afghanistan was "finished," they immediately revived the gas pipeline deal there and Bin Laden was forgot about... To me that seems as if he wasn't the target afterall, maybe the target was the minds of the American and European peoples. When you scare people and put such fear into peoples hearts, you can make them do anything you want. Why do you think they are going to call martial law if bird flu "appears"?

 

A news service would have reported it if he did' date=' they are not all part of this grand conspiracy.[/quote']You'll find hundreds online about it. The internet is the greatest source of uncontrolled freedom we currently have. Use it whilst you can, because laws could and most likely will be coming in to begin a clamp down. The media on TV is usually based off things such as Reuters, which is easily controlled. The rest, FOX, CNN are all funded by corporations, again another controlled media. The media on TV is the easiest way to exploit people. I saw how Hannity on FOX was trying to make out the relief effort with Katrina was fine, but the reporters went off into one. Just shows how ridiculous it is.

 

I see the problems weapons inspectors had with Iraq. I see the insurgents executing those they have kidnapped. Much of the rest of what I see and what the media reports I see only really only contested by bog standered 'Bush is Hitler' protests and sources such as Michael Moore' date=' who, with apologies th fans of his, has proven himself to be a bull**** artist extrodanare.[/quote']ROFL, Michael Moore provides a good hillarity factor and shows a huge amount of bureaucracy in the US, but he really hasn't done too well for showing parts of the truth.

 

I don't care what people call Bush, I wouldn't get upset about it. Bush is a puppet, like all other presidents before him, of the American elite. Hes the figure head, his position is there to ensure he gets called the Hitler, whilst the american elite get away with anything and everything. The bush family are war mongers, thats why they were used for this election, against a candidate that could never possibly win, even if the elections weren't fixed.

 

You theorise that I am a government agent.

Incorrect' date=' i theorise that you have knowledge i don't... It was sarcasm for the point that we really don't know anything, so it would be foolish to make decisions and conclusions on the current falsifable evidence we have from "official" sources.

 

I am not involved in the conspiracy to hijack planes, fly them into the World Trade Centre and place the blame on Islamists.

"Islamists" is a word to use catiously, its like saying the invasion in iraq was an attack from Christians. Maybe religion is the target however, if you want to dismantle religion, then you just start conflicts between them.

 

I am not a part of the plot to take over Iraq so America can capture the oil and inflate their prices.

 

It wasn't just america' date=' you assume i'm talking about america. I'm talking about my own country too. Britain. As well as a few european countries who gained from Iraq. It was not just for oil, war itself is a business, when you go to war you have an excuse to take tax money from the people and give it directly to corporations, as they "develop technology." War is a scam, it is always a scam. The bush family helped fund the Nazis back in 1940s, they made millions from them too. With war, the people lose, the rich win.

 

In short, I am not a part of any conspiracy theory, nor to the best of my knowledge is there any such conspiracy theory taking place. Speaking of which, look at the word. Conspiracy theory. That is what it is, a theory.

 

Yes, but the "official" story also comes from a government which we have to theortically believe they are all telling the truth, the majority of the time thats false. We have seen that for the reasons to go to war in Iraq. I can't believe you have so much faith in power hungry corrupt rich men that you do in your own equal people. The people always lose in these societies, remember that. It will continue through this decade.

 

You claim that the enemy is not the elite' date=' yet before you are saying how they are behind conspiracies to take over the Middle East. You know, I think I see what the favored footwear of conspiracy theorists, anti war protesters and American and Western haters is. Flip flops.[/quote']

 

If these conspiracy theories are true, then they are not in a plot to take over the middle east, it's ever so much bigger than that my friend, and its been going on for centuries. Research the British Monarchy and how they link with bloodlines of Freemasons, a secret society that many conspiracy theories suggest dominates the American elite.

 

"American Hater," get real my friend. How can you hate a country? Hate is how people win. If you cannot understand your emotions, you hate. Hate is destructive, love is constructive. I love america, i love the american people, i love britain, i love the british people, but i dislike the governments, because i have abolsutely no idea whats going on, so i research, and i will tell you now. Every possibly is open when we are held down in the dark, away from the light, away from the truth.

 

You have too much faith in corrupt governments and too little faith in peoples freedom. If you don't believe the governments are gaining from you, then continue to have your rights taken away in the name of "anti-terrorism." Its just the cold war all over again however this time, they seem to be going for the full on control.

 

I think i remember George H Bush saying "new world order," that is most likely, exactly what we are seeing my friend. Sadly i have no "official" evidence, but the evidence is out there, and its done by THE PEOPLE, whom i trust more than any government. In this world, I can just choose to believe or disbelieve. Either way i lose because i close my mind down to one set of beliefs and possibilies. It's best to not believe or disbelieve anything and just know the possibilies exist.

 

In this life you never stop learning, so unless you wish to stop taking in information, it is pointless closing your mind. A mind is like a parachute, it works far better when its open.

[Acerz492 1]

Hmm...you're right, this is becoming interesting...

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All governments can' date=' and most do become corrupted over time, if not immediately, and the American government is no exception; however, just because one administration decides to oust a dictator doesn't mean it is completely corrupt. :wink:[/quote']Of course, power corrupts people, so wouldn't it be a better idea to dilute it amongst the people rather than centralise it to the point we no longer know anything about our government?

 

Do you REALLY believe that 2 normal soldiers serving they're country' date=' would suicide against their own countrymen??? :roll:[/quote']Twisting my words doesn't get you anywhere as it doesn't prove a point. Planting bombs on roadsides isn't difficult. Why would 2 country men get arrested, in normal clothes whilst driving a typical civilian car and then it get blocked out of the media? I never said it was the truth, i said it makes you think. The possibly is there. I have nothing to prove by making absurd claims, i'm trying to give people a different level of thinking. You don't know whats going on in iraq, how can you be so sure these "suicide bomers" actually exist and are not infact being planted for a reason to stay in Iraq.

 

Your right on that though

LOL' date=' I don't intend on being "right" i prove nothing to myself from being praised, i just wish to share the logic and understanding i have come to over the last few years.

 

Whoah, there: the devil is perfectly real, not a metaphor; human ignorance doesn't cause suffering, rather, sin does. We only know right from wrong (i.e. conscience) because adam and eve ate the apple in the garden of eden, thereby losing their innocence :wink:

Eve was ignorant when she ate that apple, she ignored the warning, she was misled by her darkness, desire. The snake in her mind.

 

Satan may also be a literal being, but there is also a symbolic meaning to him. People who hide in the darkness away from the light are living in hell, life is hell unless you find the truth. The truth can only be found within, we are ignorant, ignorance cause all "sin" and all problems in this world. Once we realise we are ignorant we can work at reconnecting our minds to our spirituality. It's likely we will be seeing this during this decade. The 2012 prophecies are going to be interesting indeed, we are going through a spiritual shift, all the negative energy from people will cause a huge amount of destruction in this century. Thats what many people are coming to see as a possibility.

 

I am not a support of her, but I do support protests.

 

Why did the media make such a field day out of her? There are mothers who have lost more than just one of their children yet the media ignores them and goes to her.

Shes an antiwar scapegoat, someone both the "liberals" and "republicans" can relate to. She fuels the conflict between the 2 "sides" making deeper illusion of difference and divide. The divide doesn't exist, there is no divide, 1 elite can easy split into two parties, when that happens democracy becomes and illusion to the people and the elite rule no matter which party wins, Democrat or Republican.

 

The media is liberial, and people believe the media too much. Trust me, if the media praised Bush for everything he did he would be Mr. Popularity.

"Liberal"? How did you come to that conclusion. "Liberal" doesn't exist, its an illusion of being in a collective group, a party, a stereotype. The media is controlled and funded by various of organisations and corporations. You control the media, you control peoples opinions.

 

There will be no draft by the way. Iran we do not have intentions to start a war with unless the U.N. backs it up, same with Syria.

I hope so, it would be a tradegy if there was. I believe something will happen that will limit the west from going into another war in the middle east. The writing is on the paper, but i doubt it will happen. They are trying to stir up support for another war right now, look at the media, this bull****, "Iran is giving weapons to Iraqi insurgents," "iran said wipe israel off the map." Who gives a **** to he honest what the president of Iran said?

 

The U.N. is now getting more frastrated with Iran, so probably they will call for the U.S. and the European Union to take military action, if that happens, we will actually have support and we won't need a draft. And boohoo if there's a draft, you lived in this country, why not fight for it?

Because its a corrupt war, you are not fighting for your country. This is not like WWII, where you were fighting for freedom. Your now fighting to make rich men richer and poor people poorer as well as giving these same people and governments control over resources, which again means they can screw you further.

 

Or would you run to another when there are hard-times? There are always hard-times, for everyone, you just have to accept it.

To accept it would be a ignorant thing to do. All problems caused by man, must be solved by man, we can easily solve these problems, we are just too lazy, selfish and ignorant too. Hard Times or not, if economy starts failing now and bad **** starts happening then that "hard time" will become significantly noticable for all people throughout the world, not just the west.

 

Oh my god, these people are lunitics! They compare Hitler to Bush? It proves people do not pay attention in History. Hitler eliminated 6million Jews and other minorities.

Everything is questionable, every choice and intention is questionable but i do agree, we aren't in a fascist police state yet, we just need bird flu and a few more atrocities to happen and we will be well on the way. The bill of rights in the US is being totally destroyed by this "current administration."

 

Bush? Liberated a country desperately seeking help?

Thats the only good thing that came out of this war, it still depends on what is really going on in that country though.

 

Don't go to school?! What the ****, these people are trying to bring our country down! After seeing this, I know I am staying Republican.

Schools are places for indoctrination, they always will be, no matter who you have in power in this type of government. Republicans, communists, socialists, liberals. To free schools means you have to give schools the power to teach what they wish and the teachers to teach what they wish, sadly that gives other vulnerabilities. Education is a primary reason why the world is like it is today.

 

I find people foolish putting themselves in groups. I'm a republican, i'm a liberal. They are both the same people, rich elitists who come from rich families. If your not rich you don't get into the governmental elite. Keep the money in the family. You've got a government elite, 2 parties. Liberals and Republican parties are just like the British Conservative and Labour parties, same people, just an imagery illusion. People love to fight each other in politics, its a great way to distract the people from the truth. Divided nation cannot come together to conquer the real problems within themselves and their own country. The elite are free to reign, the people lose, the rich power hungry win.

 

I know Republicans ain't perfect but damn, we are ALOT sanier than those Democrats. The Democrats have lost their way, they used to be for the common working man, now they just basically cater to the rich mostly, and they keep the blacks down, and say the Republicans do! We are the ones that put women and a black women in office, and they don't say, that is good, no they critize it.

Democrats and republicans are the same people. You both have national idenities, American. You should care for the american people, not who rules your government. Thats what democracy is about, the people, not the government. This currently democracy is an illusion, and your playing the game and falling into the set trap.

 

What shocks me is America use to be the land of the free, everyone use to want to live there, now its just become another member of the empire. Conquering for its own gains rather than living in freedom. If your a republican, why are you sitting by an allowing your government to take your republic from the people? Same as the liberal democrats, why are they sitting by and allowing the government to take the democracy from the people. Both parties need to exist to have what america is meant to be, a free nation. They should work together not fight. You are more powerful united than you are divided. When your divided your government rule you and we have the current situation of the unknown.

 

I believe that he meant that like Hitler did with Germany, Bush is leading America down the road to destruction.

Bush is the scapegoat, if America falls and there is no longer a world superpower, all havoc will break loose. Strange how all these "secret societies" and their plans are actually coming together nicely in the current world events, people just choose to not see that there is a real possibility these groups exist and these groups could infact have gained power centuries ago without anyone knowning.

 

Infinite love is the only truth, everything else is illusion. We are all being played.

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Well, you know what the song says: All about control.

 

This is interesting.

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Don't know what song that is, but it probably hits the nail bang on the head.

[Dr. Rodney McKay 0]

Triple H's theme song. Yeah, I know it's wrestling, but it works.