Oh my God, this is sick

[GeneralZ 0]

now i'm getting angry....at hybrid...

 

I found this comment beyond amusing. Are you really falling into the trap of believing a RELIGION, an IDEOLOGY is corrupt? Don't be niieve. Islam is not the issue, its a religion and ideology. Ideologies are not corrupt, the people that exploit them are. Don't blame billions of people who follow Islam for the smallest minorities atrocities. Those who use the names as a cover are just as fraudulent as the Bush administration with their christian/jesus bull****.

 

religion are problems. why do u think islamic clerics are calling for the death of America and Israel? they are fundamentalists. Any fundamentalist religion is corrupt. they think they're right, and every1 else are the bad guys.

 

You were on the planes? You managed to see the terrorists, jump out the plane before it crashed and land safely on the ground i assume? How do you know those planes were not remote controlled? The technology exists, what's stopping that?

 

I know i know, i better say something before i get called the totally obvious... It's predictable by people that refuse to see there are other possibilies.

 

I'm not saying to believe conspiracy theories people, i'm saying don't believe anything unless you know the real truth. Sadly in "times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

 

i saw the planes hit the towers with my very own eyes.

there is NO government conpiriacy that planned it. why would they do that? u are a paranoid freak comig up with those ideas, cause u hate the US maybe??

 

don't care what people call Bush, I wouldn't get upset about it. Bush is a puppet, like all other presidents before him, of the American elite. Hes the figure head, his position is there to ensure he gets called the Hitler, whilst the american elite get away with anything and everything. The bush family are war mongers, thats why they were used for this election, against a candidate that could never possibly win, even if the elections weren't fixed.

 

You do not switch presidents in a middle of a war unless his term limit is over or there is death, Ina war, u need a stabile leadership, and right now....democrats have no good plan or idea. I'll rather stick to a plan thats clear, even if i dont like it than go for something thats muddy.

 

Twisting my words doesn't get you anywhere as it doesn't prove a point. Planting bombs on roadsides isn't difficult. Why would 2 country men get arrested, in normal clothes whilst driving a typical civilian car and then it get blocked out of the media? I never said it was the truth, i said it makes you think. The possibly is there. I have nothing to prove by making absurd claims, i'm trying to give people a different level of thinking. You don't know whats going on in iraq, how can you be so sure these "suicide bomers" actually exist and are not infact being planted for a reason to stay in Iraq.

 

we would kill our own soldiers? that really offends me. 1st, we care for our soldiers. its a tragic thing when they die, but they get good medical care to ensure they survive. they get prosthetics for missing limbs and counseling. what other country can boast that they care better for their soldiers than we do? the disabling payments are a problem, but thats due to bueacracy.

 

LOL, I don't intend on being "right" i prove nothing to myself from being praised, i just wish to share the logic and understanding i have come to over the last few years.

 

i see aboslutely no logic in ur thinking in anyway. ur posts indicate u believe all thes stupid conpircacies created by people who dont like american and take them as facts. whyw dont accept the hard truth. Islamic terrorists like bind laden hate america and want it destroyed. we have the right to defend ourselves from these threats, and that means going after them.

 

Everything is questionable, every choice and intention is questionable but i do agree, we aren't in a fascist police state yet, we just need bird flu and a few more atrocities to happen and we will be well on the way. The bill of rights in the US is being totally destroyed by this "current administration."

 

taht might be a bit true but we are a DEMOCRACY. WE GET A DIFFERENT PRESIDENT WHEN BUSH FINISHES HIS TERM THAT CAN CHANGE THE RULES. AS LONG AS THE PRESIDENT AND THE SENATE AND HOUSE OF REPS SEATS CAN BE CHANGES, NOTHING IS PERMANENT

 

What shocks me is America use to be the land of the free, everyone use to want to live there, now its just become another member of the empire. Conquering for its own gains rather than living in freedom. If your a republican, why are you sitting by an allowing your government to take your republic from the people? Same as the liberal democrats, why are they sitting by and allowing the government to take the democracy from the people. Both parties need to exist to have what america is meant to be, a free nation. They should work together not fight. You are more powerful united than you are divided. When your divided your government rule you and we have the current situation of the unknown.

 

it is the land of the free. living in freedom means u can live while terrorists are planning to destroy ur home? we went to war to protect ourselves. why do people think its all about oil? Saddam needed to be taken down. thats a perfect justification for war. saddam supports terroists. he sent money to palestinian bombers and terrorist organizations like Al Queda or others

 

 

U say u are open minded, when ur are simply narrow minded. u doubt the things about the US and question them and find the answer in stupid madeup conspiracies. they have no truth behind them. they;re made up by people who dont like america. now if i had a baseball bat, i would be bashing ur brains in right now

[BWare 0]

Hybrid... this is just getting silly. You're all over the place man. Sheehan is an idiot who is being used by the radical anti-war left, the invasion of Iraq was NOT conspiratorial, and Saddam's WMDs were, in fact, a true threat. Every major intelligence group internationally recognized it pre-invasion. After our loudly broadcast invasion, we find nothing. Surprise surprise. They are very likely in some neighboring country. Claiming that we've been conspiring to do this for years is just silly... and one other thing you have to explain: Is Bush a bumbling idiot, or an evil genius (for misleading a nation into war)? You should pick a caricature and stick with it.

You really seem to have an irrational grudge against power bases, countries, and the ominous-sounding "elite!" Ooooohhh..... fight the power, down with the establishment, blah blah blah. Stupid. :roll:

 

It really is just immature, silly thinking... like when a high-school age kid reads the Communist Manifesto, conspiracy theory books, listens to Green Day, etc.... and totally buys into it with their flaky logic. This is just weird.

 

GeneralZ, you are right on.... except for maybe the baseball bat thing :wink:

[General Leang 0]

Two things. One, have you ever heard of Occam's Razor? It is the hypothesis that the simplest answer is usually the correct one. Saying things that might happen, or hypothesizing on somebody's motives, is most likely way off left field, or right field depending on which side you bat for. To say that Bin Laden might be a CIA agent so he can be used as a patsy, because of a hypothesized conspiracy to invade Iraq and Middle Eastern countries to take over their oil, is to many prety absurb.

 

On that note, I remember the paper was very quick to blame Bin Laden for the attacks, but this can be excused that it would have been printed a good 24 hours after the attacks took place. Those with good memories will remember that Palestinions were shown celebreating and they were initially thought of as responsible.

 

The second thing is conspiracies. If you really want to delve into conspiracies I recommend the death of Princess Diana. Why? Simple. The hospital was five minutes away and the ambulance, we are told, took an hour. Could MI6 have taken advantage of the car crash and ordered the ambulance to drive around until Diana died? Were they responsible for the crash as well, and since Diana was still alive finished the job in the ambulance? I believe this is a more likely cover up than any 'September 11 was planned, Bin Laden works for America to fuel Islamic hatred so America can take their oil' conspiracy you can come up with. Something for you to think about while I properly go over these recent posts.

[Hybrid 0]

now i'm getting angry....at hybrid...

Anger is a pointless emotion. Are you angry because you fear religion? As Buddha said' date=' "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."

 

religion are problems. why do u think islamic clerics are calling for the death of America and Israel? they are fundamentalists. Any fundamentalist religion is corrupt. they think they're right, and every1 else are the bad guys.

Right, fundamentalists, do you think they are a majority of people who follow religions or minority? Religion connects people to God, it connects people to higher self and understanding. Only when its abused it becomes "bad," thats not religions fault, thats the fault of men.

 

i saw the planes hit the towers with my very own eyes.

there is NO government conpiriacy that planned it. why would they do that? u are a paranoid freak comig up with those ideas' date=' cause u hate the US maybe??[/quote']Yes i hate the US, such logical reasoning. Get real buddy. The planes hit the towers, but it was amazing they collapsed within 2 hours. There is still speculation about it scientifically which leads to conspiracy theories. There is also a huge amount of confusion due to background bureaucracy. I never said 9/11 was a conspiracy, i was highlighting points because it proves even the official story cannot be accepted.

 

You do not switch presidents in a middle of a war unless his term limit is over or there is death' date=' Ina war, u need a stabile leadership, and right now....democrats have no good plan or idea. I'll rather stick to a plan thats clear, even if i dont like it than go for something thats muddy.[/quote']You totally ignored my points, why both replying to a point unless its valid? Democrats or Republicans, it really doesn't matter, you don't get much difference, just a name and ideologies. We still lose, they still win. Good call.

 

we would kill our own soldiers? that really offends me. 1st' date=' we care for our soldiers. its a tragic thing when they die, but they get good medical care to ensure they survive. they get prosthetics for missing limbs and counseling. what other country can boast that they care better for their soldiers than we do? the disabling payments are a problem, but thats due to bueacracy.[/quote']So you accept bureaucracy and think its fine to allow it to exist? Obviously not i'm just twisting your words. The intelligence organisations such CIA, FBI, M15 are just divisions of the government, they could be upto anything, again no one knows. Comes back to the controlled realities we live in, my friend. No offense, but of course you'd know, corruption within our own government isn't possible. "we would kill our own soldiers?" Obviously, we set our soldiers into a bogus war for power and greed, no matter what way you look at it, it will always come down to that. Good saddams gone, but what is the next dicatatorship thats going to take over iraq? The elections were flawed in the first place, no way in hell were they fair.

 

i see aboslutely no logic in ur thinking in anyway. ur posts indicate u believe all thes stupid conpircacies created by people who dont like american and take them as facts.

Drop the bull**** nationalism' date=' it gets people really far. "You hate america." Last time someone with that attitude got in power there were jews being murdered by the millions. People don't hate countries, they dislike governments. Governments do not represent the country. 500 men could not represent 260million people. The typical bull**** "people who hate America" is a comment from someone who doesn't see the world for what it really is. Countries are powerbases over people. It's always been like that, how do you think empires worked? It's impossible to hate a country, heck its impossible for me to hate anything, because hate gets you nowhere.

 

Hate is destructive, love is constructive. I've said before. Hate only causes more hate. Love neutralises hate.

 

whyw dont accept the hard truth. Islamic terrorists like bind laden hate america and want it destroyed. we have the right to defend ourselves from these threats, and that means going after them.

Of course you do, if the official story is true, then fair enough. But again there is a huge amount of speculation about the official story. "Why don't i accept the hard truth." Because its impossible to accept truth that doesn't exist. The only truth i accept is that everything is infinite love, everything else is illusion.

 

taht might be a bit true but we are a DEMOCRACY. WE GET A DIFFERENT PRESIDENT WHEN BUSH FINISHES HIS TERM THAT CAN CHANGE THE RULES. AS LONG AS THE PRESIDENT AND THE SENATE AND HOUSE OF REPS SEATS CAN BE CHANGES' date=' NOTHING IS PERMANENT[/quote']Except behind the scenes the elite are still the same, the families are still the same, the rivalies are illusions. Nothing more needs to be said. Your too defensive of a system that is being taken from you, if your a republican, you'd defend your constitution against the pigs that are destroying your democracy. The current administration has almost torn the constitution up, give them a few more years, there won't be a constitution. You think i'm just targetting america? No its the same in my country with blair and the new labour trotskites. First centralisation of the economy, then of the state. Corporations play a great role in this and the illusion is, as long as corporations exist we live in a "capitalist" society. Even Mussolini said, "Fascism states with corporatism."

 

it is the land of the free. living in freedom means u can live while terrorists are planning to destroy ur home? we went to war to protect ourselves.

Who are the terrorists? Your government or Osama' date=' or both? The terrorists are in the same league my friend, it doesn't take much to realise that. Lets go back to the original theory, 9/11, 2 hijacked planes crash into the WTCs, the collapse. Now the patriot act is installed which allows ridiculous amounts of your freedoms to be breached. Ever since that day they've been pushing legislation through. People have been looking towards iraq and in the background out comes new legislation. People in some states, now need a permit to protest. I mean What the ****? Thats against amendment I of your constitution. I'm british and even i know thats illegal for the senate in the US to do that.

 

Lets go over the events on 9/11 so its not just a date. 2 planes crashed into 2 world trade centers and another one crashed into the pentagon. Almost 3000 innocent people died that day, since then we've had 2 wars, where 2000+ american soldiers, most of them in their teens or 20s died fighting for "freedom." Home has become more police state each day, people are being abused under laws that shouldn't even exist. Cindy sheehan is one of them, no matter how much you dislike her or her protests. Nothing good came out of 9/11, all negative. Shouldn't we have learnt rather than do more damage?

 

why do people think its all about oil? Saddam needed to be taken down. thats a perfect justification for war. saddam supports terroists. he sent money to palestinian bombers and terrorist organizations like Al Queda or others

True, but your niieve if you think war is just about that. NO COUNTRY in history has every gone to war unless they gain something from it, that applies the same in WWII. Don't be a fool, the lies from the bush administration have been proved false time and time again yet people still believe them. The evidence is there, your not going to find it sitting on your couch watching controlled media that tell you what your opinions are.

 

U say u are open minded' date=' when ur are simply narrow minded. u doubt the things about the US and question them and find the answer in stupid madeup conspiracies. they have no truth behind them. they;re made up by people who dont like america. now if i had a baseball bat, i would be bashing ur brains in right now[/quote']ROFL. The open mind is not coming to conclusions, you've come to conclusions, just because i suggested alternatives to what the bad government said it doesn't mean i will not accept what your government says as the truth. If it is the truth, time will tell won't it? So whatever my friend, i still have respect for you. Your human, your confused, you have emotion, you will get angry because you don't want to believe the illusion your living is false. I understand. BTW, as long as its a signed baseball bate by someone famous i won't care

 

Hybrid... this is just getting silly. You're all over the place man.

Am I? Or am i in one place? This isn't as complex as you think, the only reason i appear all over the place is because you see the world as a huge thing, the world is a small spec on the bottom of God's right hand, there is still a whole entire infinite universe out there. The world is nothing, its most likely just a part of your spiritual journey. The 3rd dimension.

 

Life is what you make it my friend. Your opinion is what you make it, opinions really don't matter in this world, when your dead, no one will care about your opinion, because it no longer exists. Opinions is what divides us, love is what connects us.

 

Sheehan is an idiot who is being used by the radical anti-war left, the invasion of Iraq was NOT conspiratorial, and Saddam's WMDs were, in fact, a true threat.

ROFL, hello this is 2005 not 2003. There were no weapons of mass destruction. They were gone. The ones we sold them in the 1980s, were gone. As for sheehan, shes being used by both sides, like it matters. She has her opinion, you have yours. Is she an idiot because she thinks differently from you? Not shes still human. I think you should learn to accept her and not be intolerent. She standing up for a cause, she feels she has the responsibility of america on her shoulders. Thats a great place to be in the 3rd dimensional world, because it gets you moving past the illusion.

 

Every major intelligence group internationally recognized it pre-invasion.

Amazing, so M15 and CIA don't work together then? It wasn't possible that "facts" were fixed around the subject? No? Even the downing street memo suggested that. I wouldn't close my mind around one idea yet.

 

After our loudly broadcast invasion, we find nothing. Surprise surprise. They are very likely in some neighboring country.

Maybe so, so lets invade iran and syria, whilst we are at it the rest of the "axis of evil", north korea and china can go too.

 

Claiming that we've been conspiring to do this for years is just silly...

Obviously 1991 didn't happen then? Please, i don't want to offend you but your again focusing on America. This isn't just america. All elites work together, the UN, Europe, British, American. Oil is not an infinite resource, people will get nasty when its needed, they will even lie for it. Materialistic societies, got to love them.

 

You control the oil your going to make the profit, you can make a peak oil put on to scam people. It's all about control. Control oil, your controlling the most valuable resource currently in the world. That gives you POWER.

 

and one other thing you have to explain: Is Bush a bumbling idiot, or an evil genius (for misleading a nation into war)? You should pick a caricature and stick with it.

What you want me to come to a conclusion? The elite misled many nations into war, its not difficult. The media is playing the same scare mongering game currently with Iran.

 

You really seem to have an irrational grudge against power bases, countries, and the ominous-sounding "elite!" Ooooohhh..... fight the power, down with the establishment, blah blah blah. Stupid.

No, i'm a "man of the people." I agree governments are needed to keep order, but today its too far, they are too powerful and the people are too ignorant to know. If thats not a problem with you, thats fine with me. My views are my views, i'm not asking anyone to agree with them. Giving a small minority people power over a majority is dangerous, but people don't care, they are far to lazy in the modern world to give a **** about their kids being taught bull**** at school, or being slaves to corporate/fascist/communist agendas. I dislike ignorance, its the root of all evil within man. I guess thats what the Buddhist ideology there.

 

It really is just immature, silly thinking... like when a high-school age kid reads the Communist Manifesto, conspiracy theory books, listens to Green Day, etc.... and totally buys into it with their flaky logic. This is just weird.

I'm sorry, i never intended to go into politics, i am usually a man of philosophy, sadly when i posted here i didn't realise everyone would want materialistic responses. I'm fed up of materialistic reponses, they ruin everyones mental and spiritual development. Materalism is when people think they have something to gain or lose to another person, its how our societies are structured, it causes so much ignorance and greed.

 

GeneralZ, you are right on....

Again its a matter of opinion. Maybe a few quotes can end this post:

 

"The American people should be made aware of the trend toward monopolization of the great public information vehicles and the concentration of more and more power over public opinion in fewer and fewer hands." - Spiro T. Agnew

 

"Lies are told only to convey to someone that one has no need either of him or his good opinion." - Theodor Adorno

 

"In a controversy the instant we feel anger we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves." - Buddha

[Acerz492 1]

Saddam's WMDs were, in fact, a true threat.

 

No, they wern't. Back in 1991 maybe, but not today. :roll:

[Hybrid 0]

Two things. One, have you ever heard of Occam's Razor? It is the hypothesis that the simplest answer is usually the correct one.

I do agree. Even wise people like Buddha said: "Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace." However sometimes it takes more than short answers, people manage to manipulate your words.

 

Saying things that might happen, or hypothesizing on somebody's motives, is most likely way off left field, or right field depending on which side you bat for. To say that Bin Laden might be a CIA agent so he can be used as a patsy, because of a hypothesized conspiracy to invade Iraq and Middle Eastern countries to take over their oil, is to many prety absurb.

Again its down to opinion and views. The reason i posted the points was because the possibily remains. Maybe i should quit these long essays, no body is getting the points i'm trying to make, they prefer to make their own mind see them shallowly. If you want to really take in my points, you need to look upon my words deeply.

 

Ignorance has made anything possible, thats why you should never believe anyone unless you have a major understanding of how the world works. In this view, I am always like a child, i seek knowledge and wisdom to constantly learn, i try not to close my mind around anything. I try not to come to conclusions, its best to leave people to come to their own conclusions, if they wish.

 

The second thing is conspiracies. If you really want to delve into conspiracies I recommend the death of Princess Diana. Why? Simple. The hospital was five minutes away and the ambulance, we are told, took an hour. Could MI6 have taken advantage of the car crash and ordered the ambulance to drive around until Diana died? Were they responsible for the crash as well, and since Diana was still alive finished the job in the ambulance?

My friend, i've been there done that. The conspiracies i "dwell" upon are the ones that involve potential secret societies. As i said before, it would be nice to see these conspiracies proved false but whilst they are still at large, i refuse to close my mind around any possibly. Time will tell, if certain conspiracies are true, we will know about it by 2012, if not then i will forget my foolish acts in the past, learn from them and live a life like a "normal" person.

 

I believe this is a more likely cover up than any 'September 11 was planned, Bin Laden works for America to fuel Islamic hatred so America can take their oil' conspiracy you can come up with. Something for you to think about while I properly go over these recent posts.

Maybe so. 9/11 its unlike we will know the truth. Most people see that it doesn't matter what happened that day, it was an atrocity. The government "won" they got their wars, they got their money. Innocent people lost their lives. Thats the tragety here. If i've learnt anything from this topic, it is that the conspiracy theories don't matter. The tragety is we are being too distracted by falsities.

 

Anyway I'm spent, i have nothing more to say, the comment above closed me down, if i say anymore i'll be opening myself to comments once again. This isn't my typical style. Usually i prefer to anaylse situations rather than explain "my view." As with the "current situation," Time will tell. Peace out guys. Good night.

[Blodo 0]

religion are problems. why do u think islamic clerics are calling for the death of America and Israel? they are fundamentalists. Any fundamentalist religion is corrupt. they think they're right, and every1 else are the bad guys.

Why does that sound like the christian fanatics over at America? Why does that sound like the fundamentalists in my own country, and i'm from a christian country? Islam isn't the bad religion, neither is Christianity. It's thos that are power hungry that twist them to their own ends. Religion should not be allowed in politics - fair enough.

 

i saw the planes hit the towers with my very own eyes.

there is NO government conpiriacy that planned it. why would they do that? u are a paranoid freak comig up with those ideas, cause u hate the US maybe??

Did you pay attention to how the buildings collapsed? Why did they collapse as if someone bombed them from the bottom? I've watched the footage multiple times.

 

You do not switch presidents in a middle of a war unless his term limit is over or there is death, Ina war, u need a stabile leadership, and right now....democrats have no good plan or idea. I'll rather stick to a plan thats clear, even if i dont like it than go for something thats muddy.

Hey - this war isn't even a war for freedom anymore. Just like Vietnam was the war for politics, this is a war for money. You have been fighting bogus wars since the end of world war 2, yet somehow you fail to see that.

 

we would kill our own soldiers? that really offends me. 1st, we care for our soldiers. its a tragic thing when they die, but they get good medical care to ensure they survive. they get prosthetics for missing limbs and counseling. what other country can boast that they care better for their soldiers than we do? the disabling payments are a problem, but thats due to bueacracy.

Health care doesn't do them any good, when they are sent to war it's like signing a death warrant already - only this one comes with a 10% chance you will by some stake of luck survive.

 

i see aboslutely no logic in ur thinking in anyway. ur posts indicate u believe all thes stupid conpircacies created by people who dont like american and take them as facts. whyw dont accept the hard truth. Islamic terrorists like bind laden hate america and want it destroyed. we have the right to defend ourselves from these threats, and that means going after them.

Hey you wont even consider what Hybrid said as an option. Youre the one who blindly believes ****.

 

taht might be a bit true but we are a DEMOCRACY. WE GET A DIFFERENT PRESIDENT WHEN BUSH FINISHES HIS TERM THAT CAN CHANGE THE RULES. AS LONG AS THE PRESIDENT AND THE SENATE AND HOUSE OF REPS SEATS CAN BE CHANGES, NOTHING IS PERMANENT

Democracy in a two party system with both parties being right wing? Oh dont make me laugh.

 

U say u are open minded, when ur are simply narrow minded. u doubt the things about the US and question them and find the answer in stupid madeup conspiracies. they have no truth behind them. they;re made up by people who dont like america. now if i had a baseball bat, i would be bashing ur brains in right now

 

Wow yet another hateful john. If your country turned nazi overnight would you still support them?

 

Im serious you shouldnt believe anything anyone tells you until checking it out. Don't disregard what I and Hybrid say just because some guy says its "bull****", check it out yourselves.

[BWare 0]

Ugh... I'm just too tired to respond to all that point by point. Hybrid, you are guilty of OVER-philosophizing. Everything is just so bizarre and shaded to you that you can't even think straight. But at least you're OVER-thinking and not UNDER thinking. :wink:

 

 

Blodo... ugh. You're just plain stupid.

 

Christian fanatics over at America

Please.

 

 

Did you pay attention to how the buildings collapsed? Why did they collapse as if someone bombed them from the bottom? I've watched the footage multiple times.

:lol: I think there are MANY more people out there who have a much more credible point of view than you. It is obvious how and why they went down. Conspiracy theories are almost ALWAYS a complete joke... especially in this case. This is just laughable. "I, uh, watched teh tape man!!11! I knows what went down!!1!" :roll:

 

Hey - this war isn't even a war for freedom anymore. Just like Vietnam was the war for politics, this is a war for money. You have been fighting bogus wars since the end of world war 2, yet somehow you fail to see that.

Stupid. There is now a fledgling democracy where just a couple years ago there was tyranny and oppression, in the middle of the frickin MIDDLE EAST. Somehow idiots like you fail to see that.

 

Health care doesn't do them any good, when they are sent to war it's like signing a death warrant already - only this one comes with a 10% chance you will by some stake of luck survive.

Garbage counter-point, and more military bashing. Please.

 

Democracy in a two party system with both parties being right wing? Oh dont make me laugh.

Don't you dare belittle our system of government. Frankly, both parties are too far LEFT wing.

 

 

Im serious you shouldnt believe anything anyone tells you until checking it out. Don't disregard what I and Hybrid say just because some guy says its "bull****", check it out yourselves.

Have you gone through the evidence point-by-point with the assistance of an engineer or scientist? Yeah, you really seem thorough and certainly have the right to feel superior.... you know, with your well researched point of view. :roll:

We're obviously just morons who take everything on faith. :roll:

[General Leang 0]

You know, I just thought of something. Bush is at his lowest approval rating ever. If Bin Laden does work for the CIA or otherwise work for America then sooner or later we will see that America had suddenly captured Bin Laden so Bush will regain support.

 

Somehow I doubt that will happen.

[BWare 0]

Good point Leang. I mean, you can come up with so many points like that. Conspiracy theories are a complete joke... as are those who actually believe them.

[F15pilotX 4]

You know, I just thought of something. Bush is at his lowest approval rating ever.

Like BWare said, RESEARCH

 

Just for your information, EVERY SINGLE president since John F. Kennedy (Fifty years ago :wink: )has had registered lower approval ratings than Bush! :roll:

 

Also, his approval/neutral/disapproval rating are as follows, respectively: 41%/4%/55% :wink:

[BWare 0]

Right... and frankly, they should be taken in stride. However, if this is a leader who is guilty of concocting a war for political gain, then he PROBABLY would have used his "caputered Osama" card by now, just like Leang said. Also, since he's obviously such a diabolical, evil genius, don't you think he could have "found" some WMDs in Iraq if he wanted to? The truth is that he is not deceptive, he is not obsessed with his own image like so many other politicians, and he is actually, honestly, a good man. I disagree with him on several points, but bottom line- he is a good man doing a hell of a job against some pretty incredible opposition. He has had anything but an easy presidency, all the while dealing with the countless morons who hate him irrationally.

[F15pilotX 4]

Exactly, and if people are complaining about Bush, at least he hasn't had multiple scandals regarding unfaithfulness and selling of land as Clinton did :roll:

[Louis EX 0]

Anyway Bush has a few years till new president comes in.

[BWare 0]

Exactly, and if people are complaining about Bush, at least he hasn't had multiple scandals regarding unfaithfulness and selling of land as Clinton did :roll:

Seriously... the worst his enemies can do is this Scooter Libby nonsense. The guy is getting nailed for "lying" during an investigation (mixing up details about what happened months ago during his 16 hour work days :roll:)... they can't get Bush, they can't get Cheney, they can't even get the VP's chief of staff on an actual crime! This is hysterical. They're trying as hard as they can... and failing miserably. And I couldn't be happier.

[Louis EX 0]

lolz :lol:

[BWare 0]

Yes... lolz.

[Dr. Rodney McKay 0]

lozl, it's cloud.

[Hybrid 0]

Ugh... I'm just too tired to respond to all that point by point. Hybrid' date=' you are guilty of OVER-philosophizing. Everything is just so bizarre and shaded to you that you can't even think straight. But at least you're OVER-thinking and not UNDER thinking. :wink:[/quote']It's impossible to "OVER-philosophise." Philosophy links mind to soul, soul to world. You can never over-philosopise. That is just an excuse. Maybe i have stetchy on my points, i usually try not get into the politics 100%, but i obviously got too involved with "Hybrid is making me angry" comments.

 

Overthinking, yes, its bad for you in some ways, it depends what you overthink about, but overthinking is not seeing connections and expanding your mind and spirituality. All answers for this world are inside the mind. To "Under-think" would be to return as a sheep and be herded by the sheepards and their sheepdogs who bite and attack you if you "step out of line."

 

 

Blodo... ugh. You're just plain stupid.

I believe he was being sarcastic in most of his points.

 

:lol: I think there are MANY more people out there who have a much more credible point of view than you. It is obvious how and why they went down.

I can't remember the building name' date=' but there was a building in spain which was burning inside at 800degrees plus. It had a distinct red glow of the steel. The trade centers did not have that, there was no glow, many credible scientists suggest it was infact 400degrees. The building in spain stood for 8 hours, the trade centers only 2. Odd really considering it was designed to take a hit from a boeing 767. The camera bolted to the floor quite a while away had a rather distinctive shake, as if there was an underground explosion. 5 seconds later the smoke inside the building changes colour (turns black), 10 seconds after that the structure collapses. A univerisity (i can't remember which name now), collected siesmic data charts that proved there as possible underground explosions or activity before the towers collapsed. I'll take a look for a few links. It is entirely possible the buildings were demolished. It's like WTC7. It never collapsed, so they decided to pull it. They cleared the site on the same day, that is ridculous, it's hardly possible. Either the bombs were planted BEFORE the attack or... I can say nothing else for it. WTC7 also collapsed in a very distinctive way, the same style as WTC1 + 2 did, straight down, like a controlled demolition.

 

Who knows? What happened that day was an atrocity and it was used in such a way i'm surprised people in the government haven't been hauled to court for it. Bureaucracy rules, great eh?

 

Stupid. There is now a fledgling democracy where just a couple years ago there was tyranny and oppression, in the middle of the frickin MIDDLE EAST. Somehow idiots like you fail to see that.

Are you missing something? We cancelled the local elections in most areas in Iraq because it was "too unsafe" and then we decided to rule with an "iron fist." Our troops have been killing innocent protestors because they were a "threat," as in they might make people see through the bull****. Thats not democracy. It's not democracy either when only a small amount of the population voted. What you have there is almost a sunni dicatorship, and you wonder why people are angry? We have royally ****ed up Iraq, democracy is Iraq is most likely doomed. We'll just have to keep optimistic for now, but who knows what the hell is going on in Iraq.

 

Don't you dare belittle our system of government. Frankly' date=' both parties are too far LEFT wing.[/quote']ROFL... Democrats are RIGHT WING because they support economic freedom, that is a right wing trait. Wings are done on economic systems not just policies. The Republicans were Right wing but its difficult to tell where they are going. They seem to get more left per day with their centralisation of the economy and a rather distinctive corporate fascism.

 

Both parties are a different cheek on the same arse. 2 Parties, 1 ideology.

 

As for the political scale, in reality is an illusion. It means nothing. People say they are left wing or right wing, but what is a left wing or right wing policy? It's bull****, just another game to divide people and opinionate people so they cannot see the truth. When did started seeing "right or left" we forgot about "Right or wrong." Morality is lost when people argue over the most stupid pathetic issues.

 

You know, I just thought of something. Bush is at his lowest approval rating ever. If Bin Laden does work for the CIA or otherwise work for America then sooner or later we will see that America had suddenly captured Bin Laden so Bush will regain support.

It's been said before, but its pointless. If he was a CIA agent then they could continue to use the Al qaeda as the people behind the terrorist attacks.

 

This isn't about bush anyway. The office of president is the protective area for the elite. They put the puppet out as president, when **** goes wrong he gets hit, the elite are still high and dry. People still fail to see the real bureaucratic system behind it. The democracy is an illusion.

 

Just for your information, EVERY SINGLE president since John F. Kennedy (Fifty years ago )has had registered lower approval ratings than Bush!

I'm not sure how accurate that is, but every president and administration before Bush, even his fathers, has managed the economy far better. America is in debt. You think thats money your spending? The "credit" in your hand is infact debt. Its like an IOU. Sames happening in Britain, thanks to browns big spending gap. I tell you, if we do survive this economic crunch then it'll be the next generation paying back everything this generation destroyed.

 

Right... and frankly, they should be taken in stride. However, if this is a leader who is guilty of concocting a war for political gain, then he PROBABLY would have used his "caputered Osama" card by now, just like Leang said.

The president is the puppet, the elite rule the game. The elite are a group of people, either from secret societies or corportists. The neoconservative agenda rules a majority of the elites heart. Neoconservatives are not infact right wing conservatives more of left wing totalarian Trotskites. The corporate centralisation of the economies in the west was the first step, the 2nd step was globalisation of the economy. Under that the UN could work to bring a new world goverment. "New World Order." The UN is also an elitist tool. If the theory is correct, these plans have been in motion since the end of WWII, the cold war was a put on for control and distraction. Bush was not trying to gain, hes just doing what hes been told.

 

Project for New American Century is just a subdivision group of this huge world govenment. Project of the New American century is another extremist group, 2 key players of it are Cheney and Rumsfield. I have no idea what got into Blair after september 11th, but its obvious he is now also involved in the PNAC (globalisation campaign, to centralise the world economy and bring a new government). The New World order. If you really look into it, the entire evidence is there. Its all there, you just need to open your eyes and see the motives. We could be so easily heading for an attempt to create a global fascist/communist state however we have our heads so far up our arses we wouldn't even notice until a century after it had been done. Neoconservative agenda and mansonry groups could possibly rule america. Would we know if they did? No because out in public their illusional image is shown, but behind the scenes they hold a knife just above the back of humanity.

 

Also, since he's obviously such a diabolical, evil genius, don't you think he could have "found" some WMDs in Iraq if he wanted to? The truth is that he is not deceptive, he is not obsessed with his own image like so many other politicians, and he is actually, honestly, a good man.

This is the same guy who didn't even both to respond to Katrina for a few days? Bush is a puppet, its plain and simple. Hes not a mastermind, hes just the puppet to take the rap incase any of these plans fail. Blame it on Bush.

 

He has had anything but an easy presidency, all the while dealing with the countless morons who hate him irrationally.

Amazingly in his presidency 2 of the 3 things that are suggested to happen already have. A major terrorist attack on the United States, a hurricane hitting New Orleans and flooding the city. All that needs to happen now is an earthquake in California. Maybe people are wrong, maybe he is a good man. Time will tell as pressure builds. Considering the constant reports from White House employees about him being abusive and a drunk.

 

Remember, what goes on behind the scenes we do not see. That way we are kept in the dark, ignorant and unable to prove much at all unless we really go for it.

 

Exactly, and if people are complaining about Bush, at least he hasn't had multiple scandals regarding unfaithfulness and selling of land as Clinton did

Clinton was just as bad too. I can't see why people were do distracted by his sexual relationship, to be honest it was no ones business. Clinton again was just another puppet, he did what he wanted with his own life, just made sure when hes out in public, he acted on behalf of elitists and their ideologies. One thing clintons administration did do right was recovered the economy from the previous Bush administration.

 

Anyway Bush has a few years till new president comes in.

Most likely Rice or Clinton? Man what a choice....

 

Seriously... the worst his enemies can do is this Scooter Libby nonsense. The guy is getting nailed for "lying" during an investigation (mixing up details about what happened months ago during his 16 hour work days )... they can't get Bush, they can't get Cheney, they can't even get the VP's chief of staff on an actual crime! This is hysterical. They're trying as hard as they can... and failing miserably. And I couldn't be happier.

I actually agree. Maybe its because no one is listening anymore. Why would they? Maybe a distraction is not needed as fear rules the roost at this time. Fear has played a major game for these people during this administration. They've profitted from the uncontrolled emotions of the sheep below. Sames happening in Britain... Oh no, a bomb goes off in London... Baaah, Save us Tony, Save Uuuuus.

 

 

Currently my own view is the world is going through a major spiritual and enlighting shift, i'm sure many other philosphiers also believe this. People are becoming more aware and realising the faults of their governments. Fear is used to try keep people down from this, but as people slowly become immune to fear by seeing the threat is just an illusion created by the "game masters" they will grow spiritually and find their emotions are not what matters. If your ruled entirely by your emotions, people can exploit that, there needs to be a logical view to the world. This shift could be happening, times are changing. Only time will tell whether the shift really exists.

[General Leang 0]

I thought you were done with this. In any case going after the elite, as you refer to them, sounds to me like you believe the rich have a duty to help the poor. Part of me agrees with this, in how people who have more money than they will ever need should help others less fortunate, and that first world countries should help fight poverty, ect. On the other hand, socialism, which is what some of these people practice, also believe, vehemently, that they have to smash the government. That law and order is the enemy, that countries should be ripped down. I will not make any bones about them, these people are out and out kooks, who time and again practice what a friend of mine refers to as 'passive treason.' A good example of this was the human shields who went over to defend Saddam's military installations. Now that the Iraqi people need protective, where are they now?

[GeneralZ 0]

u and ur conspiracies.....

 

ur too obsessed on puppet goverments. true there is some level of manipulation at the government, but thats true for every country.

 

Our troops have been killing innocent protestors because they were a "threat," as in they might make people see through the bull****.

 

u call people who are calling for jihad and advocating resistance innocent civilians! they are actively and passively supporting the terrorists in bringing anarchy.

 

I'm not sure how accurate that is, but every president and administration before Bush, even his fathers, has managed the economy far better

 

thats is not true. the US economy has had its downs before in history, and as big as our country is, we can recover

 

I can't remember the building name, but there was a building in spain which was burning inside at 800degrees plus. It had a distinct red glow of the steel. The trade centers did not have that, there was no glow, many credible scientists suggest it was infact 400degrees. The building in spain stood for 8 hours, the trade centers only 2. Odd really considering it was designed to take a hit from a boeing 767. The camera bolted to the floor quite a while away had a rather distinctive shake, as if there was an underground explosion. 5 seconds later the smoke inside the building changes colour (turns black), 10 seconds after that the structure collapses. A univerisity (i can't remember which name now), collected siesmic data charts that proved there as possible underground explosions or activity before the towers collapsed. I'll take a look for a few links. It is entirely possible the buildings were demolished. It's like WTC7. It never collapsed, so they decided to pull it. They cleared the site on the same day, that is ridculous, it's hardly possible. Either the bombs were planted BEFORE the attack or... I can say nothing else for it. WTC7 also collapsed in a very distinctive way, the same style as WTC1 + 2 did, straight down, like a controlled demolition.

 

and how tall was that building in spain? anywhere even close to the height of the WTC? N-O Simple fact. Very tall buildings are more structurally vulnerable than smaller ones. The 1 in spain obviously had red glowing steel that clearly weakend. The same thing happened in the WTC, but the towers were 1,368 feet tall and when the entire structure has weakened steel, its harder for the steel to support all that weight and material, hence the crumbling: the steel supports gave away caust they were weakened by the heat. nothing secret about that is there? which is easier for weakened steel to support, a really tall skycraper or a shorter building? jetliners carry large numbers of fuel. ever think of fuel burning up and setting whole place on fire will melt steel?

 

It's impossible to "OVER-philosophise." Philosophy links mind to soul, soul to world. You can never over-philosopise.

 

it is quite possilbe to over-philosophise u dummy. its called thinking too much and coming up with crazy conclusion when the simple truth is right there. Too much philospy links to crazy mind to paranoid soul to the world is all evil plots. philosphers are an extinct species.

[General Leang 0]

Our troops have been killing innocent protestors because they were a "threat," as in they might make people see through the bull****.

 

To use your arguement, had you actually seen these people gunned down? Did you know these people and knew they would not spark Jihad or martyr themselves against the Iraqi people? You were able to bear witness to the evil Empire silencing those who would bring about their downfall and managed to escape their wrath? I do not want to be rude but I feel it coming on, so I will just say if you do not want people to 'call you the obvious' and say you are radical and cookoo then it might be a good idea to not so rapidly change the goal posts in terms of what you want to hear.

[F15pilotX 4]

Clinton was just as bad too. I can't see why people were do distracted by his sexual relationship, to be honest it was no ones business. Clinton again was just another puppet, he did what he wanted with his own life, just made sure when hes out in public, he acted on behalf of elitists and their ideologies. One thing clintons administration did do right was recovered the economy from the previous Bush administration.

 

<1> Okay, on the Monica Lewensky subject, it wasn't the fact that he did it, it was the fact that the PRESIDENT OF THE UNTIED STATES, supposed to be a model citizen, was having a affair!

 

<2> Actually, after the Gulf War, the US economy was boosted forward, not backward: at the beginning of the Clinton administration, it started going back downhill again; in the last few years of his second term, he finally managed to stop the decline and cause some little growth :wink:

[BWare 0]

Man... I just don't have the energy for this after a long day of classes. Ditto what GeneralZ and Leang said :wink:

 

You like to overthink, huh? Well I don't. So here's the simple truth:

You are a clown. Simple as that.

 

You are the pseudo-intellectual type who will sit back and passively criticize the US government with your ridiculous theories and flawed logic. Your phantom enemies, like the ominous sounding "elite," never seem to fully materialize, but you seem to see them in everything. You are a joke, and so is every one of your ridiculous opinions and ideas. The fatal flaw in your thinking is you believing that you HAVE all the right information and that you HAVE the authority to come to these insane conclusions. You are guilty of a kind of intellectual hubris... and that's what makes you such a ridiculous clown. Please stop wasting our time.

 

The simple truth is sitting right here... there is an evil enemy in this Islamo-fascism that is once again threatening the west with its militant and social fronts (they already have a good part of Europe...), and there is a simple solution: a war on terror. This is not easy, and we don't have a DEFINITE gameplan (nobody does in war), but we do recognize the threat, and we are doing everything we can to counter it and protect our way of life, and in fact our very existence. Morons like you sit back and see conspiracies when a very real and SIMPLE war is raging. You contribute nothing... philosophy is useless here. Get your feet on the ground and get in touch with reality.

[F15pilotX 4]

PWNED Hybrid; anyway:

 

Just for your information, EVERY SINGLE president since John F. Kennedy (Fifty years ago )has had registered lower approval ratings than Bush!

I'm not sure how accurate that is, but every president and administration before Bush, even his fathers, has managed the economy far better.

His fathers may in fact have managed the country's money better, I'll take your word for it; one detail, though: the Gulf War gave a tremendous boost to the economy already revived by Reagan, so that was actually one of the HIGH points in our economy's history: no wonder H.W. did better than his son, if he did :arrow: so that point was worthless information :wink:

America is in debt. You think thats money your spending? The "credit" in your hand is infact debt. Its like an IOU. I tell you, if we do survive this economic crunch then it'll be the next generation paying back everything this generation destroyed.

IT'S CALLED 9/11 :!: :!: :!: Geez, what do you think that did, help the economy :?: :!: :arrow: Just for one effect, the airline industry lost billions of dollars from the increased security regulations (from having to implement them and resulting loss in number of people traveling on flights due to the increased delay) :wink:

 

I would name more effects, but I am tired of researching for answers in this topic :|