Revolutions

[Luk3us 63]

Yeah, I know I said that the Matrix was kinda average in a previous post but in any case what did you lot think of Revolutions??? :oops:

 

I thought it kicked ass.. But thats just me... :oops:

[Sonic 296]

I haven't seen Revolutions yet, I'll wait for the DVD.

[Shocker 0]

I really liked Revolutions as well. Il'l definitely be picking up the DVD.

[Phreakly 0]

It wasn't that great. but it did do what it was supposed to, which I guess was okay.

[Rogue Leader 0]

Ending sucked, drove me nuts.

[Luk3us 63]

What was wrong with the ending? :?:

[Phreakly 0]

He didn't get it.

[Sonic 296]

What was wrong with the ending? :?:

Since some of us are yet to see Revolutions no one here describe the ending please

[Luk3us 63]

Well since were talking about the ending this is how it went, we have the dear old oracle sitting....... naa, I wouldn't do that.

 

Ending isn't bad, its just left open thats all. Which makes sense, they're probably make a few more prequels or something dumb like that later on kinda like starwars.... That is after all the games they're gonna realase.

[Wildshield 0]

Oh do please enlighten us on the ending. Ten of us went to see this movie and all of us agreed on a couple of things. But the main topic we all agreed on is how the movie would have been the best in the series only to have a lame (and I mean LAME) five minute ending that left everything open... yet again. Now unless we didn't "GET IT" I will gladly take any copies you might have of Reload/Revolutions and personally toss them right into the garbage.

[Shocker 0]

So you thought the movie was the best of the series but you'd biff it because of the last five minutes? Uhh....

[Phreakly 0]

lol, That ending made perfect sense and fit in with the movies. *spoiler warning*(text in black, highlight if you want to read it)

 

You see, you missed the entire theme of the trilogy, which is existence itself, mostly from a Zen buddhist oreintation (it's also kinda shinto), each film focusing on a diffrent part of the cycle of life, The Matrix being about birth, Reloaded about life, Revolutions about death.

 

Now you have to understand that there are serious examples of metaphors within the movie, specifically Neo's true birth, where he wakes up in pink amneotic like fluid with an umbilical cord feeding him. and one big thing to understand is that in that moment he was re-incarnated, no longer Thomas Anderson. Now re-incarnation figures into the philosophies of both the Shinto and Buddhists. So that being esatblished, the end makes prefect sense. Neo's death is the ultimate saccrifice, allowing his life to end so that everyone else may live as they choose to, not as they are forced to, as it should be. That is another part of what has come to be modern human philosophy, which most likely began with Voltaire's "Droits de L'Homme" (might have been earlier than that). After that its made clear that the Oracle and the Architect are discussing what will now happen, they reveal that those living in the Matrix will be given the choice to leave, and join Zion, or to stay and be there. The Architect was quite upset because he lost all control. Now to what the Oracle and the child program spoke of, wether they'd see Neo again, that brings us back to re-incarnation, the machines never said anything about no longer growing humans for energy, so eventually, due to the oracles meddling they will eventually re-clone Neo and he will be re-born.

 

Yes, it's weak and very annoying, but in no way was this anywhere near as amazing or revolutionary as the first movie, it doesn't even come close. Drop out all the action, replace it with a dialogue describing the action (yes the action was somewhat fun and exciting, but knowing what really went into it, it was somewhat pitiful) and this move drops from its miniscule 2h to no more than 1h (possibly less), horridly short for any movie with a 100 million dollar budget spent mostly on making one of the ugliest CG shots I've ever seen. honestly, The movie had little to no story, and was nothing but end to end action, with only minor revelations towards the philosophy.

 

But it did what it promised, It really didn't need to do more, and it didn't need to do less. It functions as an end, it didn't need to be more.

 

The end also makes something else quite clear: once the on-line game goes live, there will be no more movies, no more games and no more story, other than what goes into the mmo. The universe of The Matrix fully balanced, no one is opressed after the events in revolutions, everyone has their own choice, and can live freely, which was Neo's goal. to be prefectly honest, the movie was mediocre at most. it was not "awesome" as some people have suggested it could be.

That's a lot of things covered but it isn't everything. I hope you do have a little bit better understanding of the end of what went on, if you really want clarification ask more specific questions, It'll help me clear things up for you even more.

[Rogue Leader 0]

I didn't like the ending because it didn't answer my biggest question. Leaving it to a video game to answer is just retarded, because only a small portion of Matrix fans are going to play the game.

[Luk3us 63]

Theres a game? :?: :shock: :?:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:haha:

[Phreakly 0]

There will be.

 

http://thematrixonline.ubi.com/US/index.php

[Wildshield 0]

Alrighty, I have a question... (in blue)

 

Agent Smith in the very end had events that seemed to repeat themselves. Why?

 

Our answer was: This is because the world was being reprogramed by the actions of Neo giving life back to what was going to become death. (Hence the black cat glich after the battle)

 

But this can't be the answer because in the movie Neo was told he could never win/defeat Agent Smith. But again that was fate something that neo did not believe in. Which is why there were things he could do no other being could.

 

Now with all that religious stuff you tossed out I we did see things like that in the movie. Such as both Neo and Smith (God vs. Devil) flying over the city in the final battle.

[Phreakly 0]

My Response:

 

You mis-interpret. Smith and Neo are the one, it's not just Neo(has a little to do with what Neo did when he attempted to destroy smith at the end of the first movie). They're Ying and Yang. Apart they are not whole, but they cannot exist as one yet they are not in balance apart. This is another part of eastern philosophy. So when they join, they restore balance to the Matrix. It wasn't being re-written, it was being repaired, returned to a level at which it could function again. What was shown was esentially a re-boot of the matrix after a massive (what shall we call it?) de-frag. Basically repairing the dammage Smith did in Neo's absence in one fel swoop. But yes, there is a little something to your thought that Neo was ending his existence to bring life, this is the notion of the ultimate sacrifice, taking your own life to save billions, on both sides of a war that could destroy the universe as it is known, kinda like at the end of Buffy The Vampire slayer's 5th season. That's just one of the biggest problems in the Matrix, it jumps around in its philosophies way too much. It just mixed things up way too much. We see a lot Taoism, Budhism, Shintoism and a little bit of modern western philiosophy thrown in here and there. It just annoying that they didn't stick to a single core philosophy.

[Wildshield 0]

Going a bit deep there. It makes you think. Thinking hurts my brain. Can't strain that last cell. Some light in a way has been an intransitive sense of one 's self. Thanks.

[Phreakly 0]

It's not deep, it's just understanding the philosophy behind it all.

[Luk3us 63]

Ya know what I reckon? Comps upload virus into Neo. Smith copies or whatever into Neo. Virus activated and wipes em' all out. See lot simpler than whole power balance thing.

 

End of story.

[Phreakly 0]

I'm pretty sure the machines could've tried that with the oracle, in fact I'm sure she'd have tried. if she thought it would've worked. but we're really talking about the metaphors presented by the film.

[Luk3us 63]

Yeah I realise that. Just saying.