Country conversion

[Nmenth 291]

Ok, I don't like modding with the Rock/NPatch, takes the fun out of creative use of preexisting hardcoding.

So, because I refuse to use the patch, and therefore can't add new countries, I want to know if I can convert one of the Allies into a second Yuri?

I'd like to know before I try so I don't waste any unnecessary time on it.

[RST007 0]

if you download npatch mdk, there is usefull documentation in there, i know you can change the country's/side, but don't add any.

Inside this doc is a whole complete guide in how to add/change country's and there flags etc.

For example you can change France into Yuri2 (wathever your new force is).

 

I did it only once with npatch (the easy way) so i hope i answered your question

[Doctor Destiny 41]

You can do it but it's a lengthy, unnecessary process that the NPatch/Ares eliminates. Fighting the system is a fair bit harder than just using a patch or DLL injector.

[Nmenth 291]

Fighting the system is a fair bit harder than just using a patch or DLL injector.

Therein lies the fun of it. I refuse to bend my will just to make it easier for myself.

[Doctor Destiny 41]

It's not worth the time and hassle to move a country from one side to another. While yes, it can be done, it's not easy and a huge pain to do. The process is not fun and in the end, it's a messy hack to bodge it together.

[Nmenth 291]

Yeah... I kinda lost interest. My current project doesn't really need another Yuri, it was just meant to balance out the 5-4-1 country ratio a bit.

[Doctor Destiny 41]

The NPatch helps. It allows you to do things you simply cannot do with the standard YR engine.

[Nmenth 291]

I know, I actually do have the NPatch so I can try out any mods that require it, but I don't want to use it myself. The way I see it, if you can't stick to what's hardcoded, you aren't modding the game, you are changing the game.

I'm not saying the Rock/NPatch are evil, just not my style.

[Doctor Destiny 41]

Maybe so but the limits to this game are extremely frustrating so we just work around that with the patches. You don't have to use everything the NP offers, only what you would want or need that YR doesn't offer. Lefthand only uses the NPatch for AA planes and a couple other things you're entirely unable to do in YR.

[Nmenth 291]

I tried to forget about this, but I am just not content with 5 Allies and 1 Yuri in my latest project.

 

While yes, it can be done, it's not easy and a huge pain to do. The process is not fun and in the end, it's a messy hack to bodge it together.

How much of a huge pain are we talking here? I'm not afraid of a messy hack in the end, my requirements aren't high. This will be a private mod that only myself and friends will ever see, so I don't need new flags, loading screens, etc.. All I want is the Allied country (I'm thinking Korea) to start with a Yuri MCV and the AI to understand it is ThirdSide, I can manage the side-specific AI taskforces and scripts myself later (I plan to enhance the AI anyway, so its not like it will be a huge extra burden), I also already know how to switch EVA voice to the Yuri-EVA.

[Doctor Destiny 41]

It's more work than it's really worth. Trust me. You'll run into more errors than you'll care to fix.

[Nmenth 291]

Trust me.

I would, but my desire to banish an Allied nation into the Yuri void overrules your warnings.

 

Give me some tales of woe over such difficulties involved and it might convince me to drop the scheme. I assume you've done/attempted this before?

[Doctor Destiny 41]

I have, long ago. It's not as simple as just changing the ownership on the country and moving to the ThirdSide under [sides]. As I recall, there's a lot more to it and it's quite messy since the [Countries] list is hardcoded. Sydr0 did it though in Sudden Strike... you could check that mod's code. I don't have the tutorial anymore.

[Nmenth 291]

I checked out the Sudden Strike mod and tried finding some tutorial on several sites, but I have accomplished nothing.

 

You've almost convinced me to get the patch... but not quite.

 

I'll let it go for a time, but I can't say I have given up all hope yet.

[Nmenth 291]

Well, I didn't expect to be bringing this back up again... but it's your fault, DD.

 

That site you linked to from Keep Those Rotors Spinning has a tutorial for "Adding A Fourth Side" (whew, three links in one paragraph ).

 

Could this guide not be rearranged to instead create a duplicate Yuri rather than a forth side? It seems too easy (easy is relative here), but if this tutorial was nonsense, it wouldn't exist, right?

[Doctor Destiny 41]

Bob wrote that a long time ago. It's still valid for a fourth side but swapping sides may not work as well.