Possible nuclear strike on Iran?

[Alphabear 11]

Do you have any idea how many new nations have been created as a result of the UN? Not all were created by an internation invasion force.

[BWare 0]

Alpha, I ask you for a specific example, and you give me some vague generality. Give me something concrete- a REAL ACCOMPLISHMENT. I know I'm asking the impossible, but you really need to do it to back up your previous points.

 

On THAT claim, however, what nations have been saved from "larger oppression" by the UN? They've drawn some borders and created some states, sure. That's the most basic function they have. I'm still not impressed. Those tiny accomplishments are pretty handily overshadowed by some of the more monstrous things they've done.... like, oh I don't know... OIL FOR FOOD.

 

 

which is why a Global Defence Agency is needed like the GDI

The UN is bad enough as it is. After their dismal failure and horrible corruption on just the diplomatic side of things, do you really think we can trust them with even more power?

Besides.... you still have the US, and we're basically doing the work of a GDI, but without the thanks or appreciation. It's pretty much lose-lose for us :roll:.

[Mario 0]

dont forget you have our help too we aint gettin no thanks or appreaciation either

[Alphabear 11]

I have already mentiond specific examples previously (may have been in another thread im not sure). The East Timorese independence from Indonesia was done by a UN intervention force. Although they never would of had to go in if the US didnt fund the indonesian occupation in 75

[The Nker 0]

NKer, you are a blind fool. The world needs a defender now more than ever. We are in the MIDST of a third world war, a clash between civilizations of epic proportions. Radical Islam has already pretty much claimed Europe.... and you can't even see that in your own backyard. We have North Korea testing nukes, the evil psychopath in Iran very close to developing his own (and promising genocide), and you, in what has become an atrophied, lazy, decadent hellhole in Europe, can sit back and say that the world is at peace? Whether you think you need it or appreciate it, you NEED a superpower to keep these nuts in check. We never WANTED this! We got pulled into both world wars (you're welcome, by the way), and out of necessity, loyalty, and a sense of responsibilty we have for being the sole superpower (a benevolence absent ANYWHERE ELSE in history- again you're welcome) have remained the world "defender", as you put it.

 

So you go ahead, sit back and relax, ignoring the growing tension all around you, and your DEFENDER, the United States, will be there to save the day when things fall apart... as they inevitably will. I'd love it just as much as you did if we just turned our back and left you to the wolves, but we're better people than that... even if the willingly blind can't see it.

 

 

 

Alpha- again I ask you... one example, a single accomplishment besides "discussion", is all I ask.

 

 

Oh, what an apocalyptic theory. You should write novels.

 

Wait...Do you seriously believe to all that 'the world is under attack' crap? :roll:

 

Reading what your opinon on the world is, I can't hate you. I can only pity you. Feel free to live in your world of illusions and to call an asshole whoever doesn't agree with you. Persons like you are the ones that ruin the image of America in front of the rest of the world. See you.

[Mario 0]

Nker you really are living in a world of delusions if you cant see the threats these rogue states pose to the rest of the world

[The Nker 0]

Nker you really are living in a world of delusions if you cant see the threats these rogue states pose to the rest of the world

 

I'm not saying two 'rogue states' such as Iran and North Corea can't be a threat, I'm saying we're not in the middle of a freaking world war. They haven't even attacked anyone. They deserve punishment for their actions (the UN ones vs. the North Corea are good enough, IMO), but they don't deserve to be attacked unless they attack first.

 

We're not living in a peaceful world, believing that would be very, very stupid, but thinking a third world war is about to start (if it is not already) is just as stupid. Nukes are a huge threat, but you fail to see their actual use: intimidation. No nation in the world is going to use them, and, even if really so many people in a nation were so crazy to use them (President, general, etc.) there's no way they're going to use them and make it alive. Iran and North Corea would be mass invaded and leveled to the ground. I myself would support the use of nuclear weapons in retaliation of a nuclear strike. But attacking first automatically puts you in the wrong. The only reason why the USA weren't santioned for the attack on Iraq was your veto power in the scurity council, that would have made any petition useless. You can believe anything you want, but the fact itself that you're the only nation in the world with such an approach should at least make you think twice before telling the world to 'suck off'.

Until then, I guess we agree to disagree.

 

 

Now, on a slight different topic: like Alphabear mentioned, the Un has proven useful in many situations (the most recent ones are the missions in Kosovo and Lebanon). Even in this moment there are various UN forces in many different countries, keeping peace. You don't know about most of them only because american soldiers are not in them (By the way, I wanted to say that your not the backbone of Un forces. The majority of the soldiers are Pakistani, Indian, etc.). It is, however, limited, and the absolutely inefficent structure of, for example, the security council has immobilized it in any situation that involved one of the major powers, the ones with the veto power. Also, any UN force has to ask the state if they want their troops, which is a bit lame if you want to free an occupated region, for example. I agree that bit should be deeply riformed and restructured, and I also think that the idea of a GDI-type force is not really far-fetched in these times.

[comander starlin 6]

ok now for me to jump into the fight, lol ok the UN force has most of the NZ army, and a decent amount of Auz forces so it is not just American and i fell that saying that you guys are the main contributers that is a big load of bollicks, there are numerous places they can hold the UN meetings and it is not always in the states. and all the UN is is really the Government of the world, not a personal army, they are designed to keep the peace not start a war. :x

[Guest Rabbit]

In all honesty, that doesn't really help or deny anything in this conversation. I'm sure anyone could agree with me on that. :?

[F15pilotX 4]

ok now for me to jump into the fight, lol ok the UN force has most of the NZ army, and a decent amount of Auz forces so it is not just American and i fell that saying that you guys are the main contributers that is a big load of bollicks, there are numerous places they can hold the UN meetings and it is not always in the states. and all the UN is is really the Government of the world, not a personal army, they are designed to keep the peace not start a war. :x

the problem with your "most of the NZ army" statement is, the NZ armed forces are nowhere NEAR the size of the US's :wink:

 

They can hold meetings elsewhere but there's a reason the UN HQ is in New York :roll:

 

I say we put it in Geneva...of course, then there wouldn't be a building the terrorists wanted to save in New York

[Mario 0]

ok now for me to jump into the fight, lol ok the UN force has most of the NZ army, and a decent amount of Auz forces so it is not just American and i fell that saying that you guys are the main contributers that is a big load of bollicks, there are numerous places they can hold the UN meetings and it is not always in the states. and all the UN is is really the Government of the world, not a personal army, they are designed to keep the peace not start a war. :x

 

yes but its mostly the British and American forces that deal with the **** we go in 1st and everyone else comes along later after we have finished

[comander starlin 6]

ok you are wrong there it is the peace keeps who go in first the the cavalierly, then the peace keepers again to clean up the mess you guys maid.

[Mario 0]

Oh really where were you then when we were 1st attacking Iraq? nowhere because your country didnt want to get involved you just came along afterwards to help keep the peace

[BWare 0]

The UN is a joke. For a little more detail (and far better spelling than commander starlin here :shock:), just read my previous points.

[General Leang 0]

The attack on Iran was meant to happen this past Sunday, so we know now that it was false. If this is going to be a pissing contest I would like to make a humble request: fgsfts.

[F15pilotX 4]

well, we all knew it wouldn't happen...wouldn't want the UN to piss in it's pants, now would we? :roll:

[General Leang 0]

Well that depends on whether or not they do every time America does something.

 

Seriously how creditable are people really when they spread claims like this around?

[Mario 0]

this is exactly why we need a GDI so we wouldnt have this problem

[BWare 0]

Again, no. It makes a great video game, but in real life it would be a DISASTER. For evidence, I cite the hellish, atrophied, corrupt mess that is the UN. Now imagine them with REAL military power.... :roll:

[General Leang 0]

And people criticising an international action. Just imagine how upset civil libertarians would be were the world to gang up on, say, North Korea, or Iran, or, shock horror, Islamic terrorism.

[Alphabear 11]

Oh really where were you then when we were 1st attacking Iraq?

 

A little off topic here but the Australian SAS were the first coalition combat forces into Iraq in the recent iraq war.

[F15pilotX 4]

:rockbrow: in the Persian Gulf War, mabye...in Iraqi Freedom, no :wink:

[Mario 0]

Again, no. It makes a great video game, but in real life it would be a DISASTER. For evidence, I cite the hellish, atrophied, corrupt mess that is the UN. Now imagine them with REAL military power.... :roll:

 

isnt the GDI seperate from the UN?

 

Oh really where were you then when we were 1st attacking Iraq?

 

A little off topic here but the Australian SAS were the first coalition combat forces into Iraq in the recent iraq war.

 

actually ive no doubt it was the British SAS that would of been in 1st

[F15pilotX 4]

Wtf are you talking about? The GDI would replace the UN, and there would be no more sissy institution, just a screwed up bureaucratic military one :roll:

[BWare 0]

In C&C, GDI is the miliary arm of the UN.