Porn played on Disney Channel in N.J.

[Louis EX 0]

What? I didn't assume you're a terriost. Thats just wrong..

[F15pilotX 4]

sweet, another country to add to our memberlist

[mormreed 0]

you may be a superpower but believe me, the days when poeple used to look at america and envy it are long gone.

 

Then why are people still jumping the border?

and yes we do have all that stuff, but you just took all the bad parts from America's past present and future and rolled them into one and you tried to make it look like America is having all of that stuff going on all right now in the course of a week, but no it isn't.

Maybe you don't have a homosexual problem but people don't choose to be homosexual they are born homosexual, I personally don't believe that homosexual people should be allowed to be married, one place I agree with my religion (I am Christian but don't completely agree with it) and the most likely reason you don't have a homosexual problem is because your country is less tolerable of anything different.

One reason that your kids are not conditioned on psychological drugs is because I doubt much of your country has the access or money to get them and in America it is extremely easy to get medicine or prescribed medical drugs (they even legalized medical marijuana in Rhode Island for a year I believe and they may make it permanent).

[Mighty BOB! 5]

I seriously hope you aren't basing your assumptions (yes I said assumptions, you don't live here) on our media (CNN, ABC, MSNBC, Fox, etc). The problem is, our media sucks. It is almost entirely sensationalist crap that serves itself (ratings) way more than it actually serves the public.

 

Take your Katrina example. Utter lies. There were 1, maybe 2 rape cases at the Superdome. There was 1 death and that was an elderly person who died of natural causes. Anything else was a gross exaggeration by the media.

 

So in short, our media sucks, take everything with a grain of salt.

 

Oh & the US as a nation doesn't think we have the right to be the democracy police. The half-wits in the white house do.

 

And lol @ Disney prawn.

[vyper 0]

firstly thankyou for not just saying **** you and ending it there.

 

i respect your arguments , i may be wrong. yeah maybe they r assumptions cause i dont live there. they are basically impressions gathered from tv , mags, articles, events next door, events here.

 

mormreed, ppl jump the border cause they wanna make money. no.1 reason is economic.

 

we are third world, but not like totally pwned or something. we have fastest growing economy after china and india in asia . drugs, medical care , education, computer games, broadband etc, we got everything. its a proper country not a banana republic. hard drugs too - afghanistan is next door. i hated the taliban but one thing bout them was they brought heroin to zero.

 

you must not automatically assume lack of freedom in other countries. this is a free country, were not commies or something.

 

there are gays here too . mostly in one particular ethnic group ( all the gay jokes are about them). some ppl say they r descended from greeks hehe. but its not blown out of proportion like in west.

 

trust me ppl are not born gay. its the wierdest thing when u tell ppl here that men are getting married to each other in west. i read the article which claimed to give proof that gays are born. i think they made mistake. everything has a good and bad side. a knife can be used to cut an orange or kill a person. so its unfair to say that this particluar chemical in your body is gay . thats science for you: your angry cause theres too much of this or that in your body. the chems in ur body are not the cause , but the trigger or external event that releeases them is. 1 exception i think is menopause.

 

this is fundamental misunderstading which is why it is considered ok to give drugs to kids for emotional probems imo.

 

i wouldnt want to get in the religious aspects and its against forum rules anyway.

 

anyway, i said what i wanted to say. maybe i was wrong cause like you said , i havent been there. actually i did goto montessori in america when i was 4,5 yrs old but dont think that counts

[Doctor Destiny 41]

firstly thankyou for not just saying **** you and ending it there.

We should have. This kind of nonsense pops up too often. It's always sensationalist bull**** people are running like it's fact.

 

i respect your arguments , i may be wrong. yeah maybe they r assumptions cause i dont live there. they are basically impressions gathered from tv , mags, articles, events next door, events here.

Oh yeah... TV, magazines, articles... REAL credible resources right there. Most of that **** is biased nonsense that means absolutely nothing.

 

mormreed, ppl jump the border cause they wanna make money. no.1 reason is economic.

Maybe that's cause... uh duh... we can support it. There must be something good in this country if people keep coming in.

 

trust me ppl are not born gay. its the wierdest thing when u tell ppl here that men are getting married to each other in west. i read the article which claimed to give proof that gays are born. i think they made mistake. everything has a good and bad side. a knife can be used to cut an orange or kill a person. so its unfair to say that this particluar chemical in your body is gay . thats science for you: your angry cause theres too much of this or that in your body. the chems in ur body are not the cause , but the trigger or external event that releeases them is. 1 exception i think is menopause.

Dear god. Talk about a flimsy analogy. Sure, a knife has multiple purposes but that has NOTHING to do with being a homosexual or anything for that matter except for... knives. Homosexuality is rooted in your environment, your genetics and your hormones. It's a stretch to say it's an innate, inborn trait because that doesn't make a lot of sense since it's biologically backwards; however, it is NOT not unnatural like too many people would have you believe.

 

this is fundamental misunderstading which is why it is considered ok to give drugs to kids for emotional probems imo.

I would say you're wrong since it's possible to correct chemical imbalances in the brain to alleviate 'emotional problems.' However, it really depends on your definition of 'emotional problems.'

[vyper 0]

i was referring to your own news channels like cnn, bbc,nbc, not mtv or bible tv or something.

 

i forgot to add the internet to that list.

 

in this age of the internet, information doesnt remain hidden for long. you will find my comments to be based on fact.

 

by mags i didnt mean the gossip mags i meant time, newsweek,economist etc

and your own newspapers.

 

most of the stuff i talked about is on actual facts

 

where i may go wrong is that the stuff highlighted in these sources is mainly negative. i dont live there so i dont get the good side of the news. i accept that i may have an overly negative view because of that. so i agree that i may have all the bad stuff bunched up like mormreed said.

 

yeah a knife has nothing to do with it.

 

but the point is its how you choose to deal with whats going on in your mind and body that makes you what you are.

 

anyway whether ppl r born gay or psycho isnt the point. its an endless discussion.

 

its that america shouldnt be the global policeman cause it needs to police itself first. thats what i ve been trying to drive home through these arguments.

 

 

read up SS

[Doctor Destiny 41]

i was referring to your own news channels like cnn, bbc,nbc, not mtv or bible tv or something.

Still not outside the realm of bias, espcially the BBC and NBC. Holy goddamn, they're just as bad as ****ing Fox News.

 

i forgot to add the internet to that list.

Oh yeah. Credible, reliable source right there. :roll:

 

in this age of the internet, information doesnt remain hidden for long. you will find my comments to be based on fact.

I'll spin it back at you. In the age of Internet, facts don't remain untarnished for long. Just about everything you read or see is somehow, in some way, skewed to shade reality. If you actually believe what you read and see on the Internet, god help us.

 

by mags i didnt mean the gossip mags i meant time, newsweek,economist etc

and your own newspapers.

So? You don't think Time and Newsweek skew their articles? Bull**** my friend. They're just as guilty as television news and Internet news.

 

most of the stuff i talked about is on actual facts

You say that with such confidence, blissfully playing into sensationalist bull****.

 

its that america shouldnt be the global policeman cause it needs to police itself first. thats what i ve been trying to drive home through these arguments.

Actually, it seems to me that you want to bash America based upon some lame articles you may or may not have actually read, that you're taking sensationalism and bias as fact without truly acknowledging the human factor that there really is no unbiased news source. That what it looks like to me. All you've proven is that you're another ignorant **** from another part of the world who thinks he understands America.

Also, as a point of interest, we're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't. America has been pushed around by stupid countries for so long that no matter what we do, people bitch. It's lose-lose for us.

[vyper 0]

i have cited multiple methods of getting information.

 

i dont get or want 'opinions' from these, which are a joke because of the ' human factor' like u said , i focus on the FACTS.

EMPIRICAL, PRISTINE, FACTS. next you will be telling me there was actually no abu Ghraib. ( SS : "whats an abu ghraib? " )

 

anyway, are you trying to tell me that your OWN media is waging a propaganda war against ITSELF! i always felt they were trying to protect americas image abroad. obviously doing a lousy job if this is coming from an american. anyway lets take them out of the picture. what i want to know is.......

 

how come you know everything ,whats going on in the world Mr. omnipresent All-knowing. where exactly do you get your info. Oh i know, you meet God every day and he tells you everything. Perhaps you could enlighten me through your extensive experience.

 

so dont throw crap at me like 'your an ignorant ****'

 

what with the kind of crap that your country has done to my part of the world. bloody imperialists. you cant deny this one can you? cause i'm here, you're there. ( SS = ' your just a sensationalist. our army is bringing you dumbass ppl democracy.' )

 

America has been pushed around by stupid countries for so long

 

L-O-L.........you criticize fox but u could make anchor if ever u went there!

 

again, for the rational ppl:

where i may be wrong is how i have bunched together everything bad. i know that its not that way in reality, just trying to drive home my point. i know that america is not just about bad news, but about the guys who make all the great stuff that i enjoy, games, movies, tech and many more.

[mormreed 0]

From what I read SS knows a lot and I don't know how but he does and the media always blows everything out of proportion. The media is not on the government payroll therefore they are not defending it, their mission is to sell papers, or get ratings or hits whatever medium they use to get their point across. The media is mostly a bunch of entrepreneurs trying to sell their story and make money, except for the occasional good journalist or anchor that tells the real story and not the blown way out of proportion story.

 

(and SS thanks for having my back )

[Doctor Destiny 41]

i have cited multiple methods of getting information.

ALL of which are tarnished with bias, complete bull****, deception and shaded reality. Despite this however, it's all any of us actually have.

 

i dont get or want 'opinions' from these, which are a joke because of the ' human factor' like u said , i focus on the FACTS.

EMPIRICAL, PRISTINE, FACTS. next you will be telling me there was actually no abu Ghraib. ( SS : "whats an abu ghraib? " )

uhuhuhuhuhuhuhu. You mistake me for an ignorant American, which I am not. I'm not "in the know" so to speak but I am by no means ignorant of things going on. However, I am not the central argument here.

 

anyway, are you trying to tell me that your OWN media is waging a propaganda war against ITSELF! i always felt they were trying to protect americas image abroad. obviously doing a lousy job if this is coming from an american. anyway lets take them out of the picture. what i want to know is.......

CONGRATS! You figured it out! The American media sucks!

 

how come you know everything ,whats going on in the world Mr. omnipresent All-knowing. where exactly do you get your info. Oh i know, you meet God every day and he tells you everything. Perhaps you could enlighten me through your extensive experience.

I never once claimed to know everything... in fact, I've never even eluded to things that I know. Back on the subject, I get my information from the same sources you do but I try to pick out what's bull**** and what isn't and usually, I can figure it out. In other words, I read between the lines.

 

so dont throw crap at me like 'your an ignorant ****'

The truth is a bitch, isn't it?

 

what with the kind of crap that your country has done to my part of the world. bloody imperialists. you cant deny this one can you? cause i'm here, you're there. ( SS = ' your just a sensationalist. our army is bringing you dumbass ppl democracy.' )

What? What the **** have we done that was so wrong? If it wasn't us, it's yourselves. You tend to **** it up on your own without any intervention from the United States. Maybe that's just me but I calls em like I sees em.

 

L-O-L.........you criticize fox but u could make anchor if ever u went there!

I'm not a journalist. I'd never want to be an anchor there. Ever.

[TheBlackOut 7]

Give up, SS is owning you up out the wazuu.

[vyper 0]

You really think you are the only one who can read in between the lines? thanks. you have just confirmed what i had believed before posting in this topic, that americans are arrogant. not all of course, mainly ppl like you SS.

 

 

You tend to **** it up on your own without any intervention from the United States

 

yeah right. what a joke. your crazy. you write that as if youve been living here for the past 20 years. just shows how much 'in between the lines' you really are. you know, that white space in between paragraphs is just........whitespace. AND BTW,

 

You dare comment on what is going on in MY part of the World?

 

i'm not one for expletives, but to quote you, with a minor alteration:

 

 

All you've proven is that you're another ignorant s*** from another part of the world who thinks he understands Pakistan

 

AND , without altering it,

 

You mistake me for an ignorant American, which I am not

 

The truth is a ........ is uncomfortable isnt it?

 

 

that said, expletives give style points but not substance.

i dont want a flame war.

 

i had accepted the possibilty of inaccuracies in my comments owing to false information from sources. however at the end of the day you cannot actually deny the accuracy of actual facts and statistics like murder rates and number of convicts etc. I have, as a matter of principle and as a gentleman, accepted that i may be wrong in many things. After all , i dont live there so i dont have the right to claim that i am not. Now YOU must accept that some of what ive said is true and that there is some truth in the point i am attempting to make, if u believe in fair arguments, and that will be the end of this and we'll all live happily ever after.

[Doctor Destiny 41]

You really think you are the only one who can read in between the lines? thanks. you have just confirmed what i had believed before posting in this topic, that americans are arrogant. not all of course, mainly ppl like you SS.

I never actually said you didn't. I've merely stated that you're taking more as fact than you should. In other words, you're not trying hard enough.

I'm not arrogant. I'm just ****ing sick of people from other countries taking a swing at mine.

 

You tend to **** it up on your own without any intervention from the United States

 

yeah right. what a joke. your crazy. you write that as if youve been living here for the past 20 years. just shows how much 'in between the lines' you really are. you know, that white space in between paragraphs is just........whitespace.

Not really. I'm just commenting on all of the news coming from your part of the world. Seems to me that a majority of the events in your part of the world are, oh... I dunno... negative! Seems like I read more about atrocities coming from your region of the world than any other, seems to me that the past is just loaded with more turbulence than a 747 flying through a tornado and it also seems like it's not going to stop any time soon.

Everyone hates a literalist. When I say read between the lines, I don't mean the whitespace.

 

You dare comment on what is going on in MY part of the World?

Don't ya just hate it when someone shoves your bull**** back in your face? :roll:

 

i'm not one for expletives, but to quote you, with a minor alteration:

All you've proven is that you're another ignorant s*** from another part of the world who thinks he understands Pakistan

Are you trying to throw this back at me? Seriously? You have one major flaw with your statement. I never specifically named any country at any point, yours included. Nice try but this is epic fail.

 

AND , without altering it,

You mistake me for an ignorant American, which I am not

The truth is a ........ is uncomfortable isnt it?

I have to ask... what in the **** were you even trying to say here?

 

i dont want a flame war.

Then stop being a moron.

 

i had accepted the possibilty of inaccuracies in my comments owing to false information from sources. however at the end of the day you cannot actually deny the accuracy of actual facts and statistics like murder rates and number of convicts etc. I have, as a matter of principle and as a gentleman, accepted that i may be wrong in many things. After all , i dont live there so i dont have the right to claim that i am not. Now YOU must accept that some of what ive said is true and that there is some truth in the point i am attempting to make, if u believe in fair arguments, and that will be the end of this and we'll all live happily ever after.

Don't try this weak cop out. :roll:

[vyper 0]

I'm just commenting on all of the news coming from your part of the world. Seems to me that a majority of the events in your part of the world are, oh... I dunno... negative!

 

haha. well, where do you get your news from? fox? cnn? all the sources that you discredited yourself. yeah i know, you told me, you have been endowed with some hidden power that enables only you to separate truth from fiction.

 

OK let us assume for the sake of argument that what u said is true.

 

can you name any serial rapists, paedophiles, serial killers from pakistan. No you cant. cause there arnt any, at least not on the level that you've got. in all my time here, i have known only 1 psychopathic serial killer/pedophile in Pakistan. that was like 10 years ago.and you've got dozens and dozens that just keep coming. yeah there is rape,murder here but not on the level that you have.

 

 

In any case we never invaded other countries on the pretext that we are a perfect society or the best democracy.

 

 

to repeat myself for the third time, we have the lowest murder rate in the world. i'm talking about actual statistics here. or rather, we had it, just before you guys invaded the countries next door.

 

Seems like I read more about atrocities coming from your region of the world than any other

 

yes that is correct. did you perchance stumble upon the one that told the tale of how your soldiers raped that girl, then killed her family? Or the boy who got all his limbs blown off in a 'precision' strike? or the wedding parties that got bombed? or the mothers who lost all their sons cause they were 'terrorists'. And these are just the ones that make the headlines, there are hundreds more examples. God have you no shame.

 

Don't try this weak cop out

 

hardly weak. i guess a strong argument in america is one filled with profanity and nothing else. said all i need to say, think what u want to think.

[Doctor Destiny 41]

haha. well, where do you get your news from? fox? cnn? all the sources that you discredited yourself. yeah i know, you told me, you have been endowed with some hidden power that enables only you to separate truth from fiction.

I don't believe anything Fox News says at any time ever so I don't use them. I read a lot more European news articles than American but then again, I realize most of it is overhyped so I try not to get caught up in it. HOWEVER, I do realize that many articles have some hint of truth in them, which, I'll assume you do as well.

 

can you name any serial rapists, paedophiles, serial killers from pakistan. No you cant. cause there arnt any, at least not on the level that you've got. in all my time here, i have known only 1 psychopathic serial killer/pedophile in Pakistan. that was like 10 years ago.and you've got dozens and dozens that just keep coming. yeah there is rape,murder here but not on the level that you have.

You do know that population figures and the amount of diversity do play a role in this.

 

In any case we never invaded other countries on the pretext that we are a perfect society or the best democracy.

Neither did we. However, I will grant you that the current pretext was flimsy at best.

 

to repeat myself for the third time, we have the lowest murder rate in the world. i'm talking about actual statistics here. or rather, we had it, just before you guys invaded the countries next door.

As I recall, you never mentioned this once before now.

 

yes that is correct. did you perchance stumble upon the one that told the tale of how your soldiers raped that girl, then killed her family? Or the boy who got all his limbs blown off in a 'precision' strike? or the wedding parties that got bombed? or the mothers who lost all their sons cause they were 'terrorists'. And these are just the ones that make the headlines, there are hundreds more examples. God have you no shame.

Here's the thing... you never see the good side of, well, anything from this country. No one reports that since it doesn't get ratings or memberships. Besides, even though your statements are true, they are quite the minority of events. Hardly accurate of the overall perspective and I'm willing to bet the same goes for your end of the world as well.

 

hardly weak. i guess a strong argument in america is one filled with profanity and nothing else. said all i need to say, think what u want to think.

Yet another cop out. :roll: I've got you cornered and you just won't admit it.

[TheBlackOut 7]

can you name any serial rapists' date=' paedophiles, serial killers from pakistan. No you cant. cause there arnt any, at least not on the level that you've got. in all my time here, i have known only 1 psychopathic serial killer/pedophile in Pakistan. that was like 10 years ago.and you've got dozens and dozens that just keep coming. yeah there is rape,murder here but not on the level that you have.[/quote']

 

Knowing how a lot of your country really isn't government controlled and tribe owned and ran, I think rape and murder could happen a lot more than you or me know also.

[sith_wampa 6]

OK...

 

You really think you are the only one who can read in between the lines? thanks. you have just confirmed what i had believed before posting in this topic, that >>>americans are arrogant.<<< not all of course, mainly ppl like you SS.

 

WOW! I know that you're from Pakistan and are probably not a terrorist but I guess we Americans are all arrogant scumbags. Calling you a terrorist would be racist, but calling us arrogant isn't? I fail to see the difference. Both are stereotypical insults... :roll:

 

You dare comment on what is going on in MY part of the World?

 

Last time I checked I didn't see your part of the world in any position to challenge America. After all, you did say yourself that we are in your backyard.

 

yes that is correct. did you perchance stumble upon the one that told the tale of how your soldiers raped that girl, then killed her family? Or the boy who got all his limbs blown off in a 'precision' strike? or the wedding parties that got bombed? or the mothers who lost all their sons cause they were 'terrorists'. And these are just the ones that make the headlines, there are hundreds more examples. God have you no shame.

 

**** happens in war. Get over it. And for the record, terrorist attacks are not an act of war, they are a blatant defiance of morals and justice.

 

can you name any serial rapists, paedophiles, serial killers from pakistan. No you cant. cause there arnt any, at least not on the level that you've got. in all my time here, i have known only 1 psychopathic serial killer/pedophile in Pakistan. that was like 10 years ago.and you've got dozens and dozens that just keep coming. yeah there is rape,murder here but not on the level that you have.

 

That's because NOBODY CARES ABOUT LITTLE TINY PAKISTAN! The US is undoubtedly the strongest country in the world. Smaller countries need something about the big power to pick at in order to feel better about themselves. So, in fact, the smaller countries are the bullies and not the US, despite what many people may think.

 

In any case we never invaded other countries on the pretext that we are a perfect society or the best democracy.

 

Nobody ever said that America is the perfect society but then again humans are imperfect, making a perfect society impossible. And as for the best democracy, I'm not making any claims here but if I had to, I don't think anyone else in the world is willing to fight over that title, and with good reason.

[rEdaSbLood 1]

i am REALLYYYYYY enjoying vyper getting owned..

 

so sweat..

[vyper 0]

4 vs 1 not bad. here comes the megapost then.

 

RaB

 

i am REALLYYYYYY enjoying vyper getting owned..

 

premature celebrations . early days guys , early days. just cause i dont use profanity, which you guys really like, doesnt mean i'm pwned or something. Neutral observers know that, if not you americans. so without further waiting, on to the real issues :

 

 

first it'll be crdgohan

 

Vyper wrote:

 

You really think you are the only one who can read in between the lines? thanks. you have just confirmed what i had believed before posting in this topic, that americans are arrogant. >>>>>not all of course, mainly ppl like you SS<<<<<.

 

 

you forgot the last line.

 

why i called SS arrogant, guess u never read the whole thread but i'll explain it for the uninitiated shortly.

 

Vyper wrote:

 

You dare comment on what is going on in MY part of the World?

 

apparently the guys took a liking to this one. There was nothing political implied. Actually, SS was all ranting about how its soooooo wrong to comment on whats going on in other countries cause you don't live there. i partially accepted that argument, cause at least its plausible. therafter i acknowledged the possibilty of my being inaccurate on this basis . u can read the previous comments of the thread and see 4 urself.

 

Then the chap comes and contradicts HIMSELF by doing the exact same thing for which he criticized ME. thats why i said "you dare comment....". You nullified your own argument SS ,LOL. thats why i used ur own quotes against u.

 

btw,your most welcome to comment on my country, the line was purely meant to show SS how dumb he is.

 

plus i never said that my country is a utopia or something. u can read my previous posts and you will see that i have ackknowldged that ppl get murdered and raped here as well. just not on the same level as in your 'superpower'.

 

 

vyper wrote:

 

yes that is correct. did you perchance stumble upon the one that told the tale of how your soldiers raped that girl, then killed her family? Or the boy who got all his limbs blown off in a 'precision' strike? or the wedding parties that got bombed? or the mothers who lost all their sons cause they were 'terrorists'. And these are just the ones that make the headlines, there are hundreds more examples.

 

crdgohan reply:

s*** happens in war. Get over it

 

Do you know how much of a Nazi/Stalinist you sound when you say that? Its like your saying when an american soldier or citizen dies, it is a great tragedy and sorrow. But when our guys die, its just a statistic, or collateral damage for the 'greater good'. God, your shamelessness knows no bounds !

 

 

crdgohan wrote:

 

And for the record, terrorist attacks are not an act of war, they are a blatant defiance of morals and justice.

 

Never questioned that, i fully agree with you. But you ask ppl who is the biggest terrorist in the world at the moment, they will tell you its america. there are global polls available verifying that the US govt is right now the biggest threat to justice and peace in the world. ( SS : i dont give a **** about what the world thinks )

 

crdgohan wrote:

 

That's because NOBODY CARES ABOUT LITTLE TINY PAKISTAN!

 

not exactly tiny, it has the 6th largest pop in the world. anyway i am happy if it is that way. non interference and peace. kind of like New Zealand. sometimes i wish i lived there. its the most neutral place on earth. anyway, all countries compile crime and other stats regardless of global size/importance.

 

 

crdgohan wrote:

 

The US is undoubtedly the strongest country in the world

 

technologically , not morally. its a 21st century Rome like i said.

 

btw there's another country called China that's at least as strong if not stronger. for us, it is the strongest as it is nearer and usually has more of an impact on us.

 

Smaller countries need something about the big power to pick at in order to feel better about themselves

 

 

Funny, i dont hear people around here bitching about China. Infact people love China here. since a long time too btw, not just recently. infact, since our independence, they have treated us with respect and honored us as friends. we consider them our brothers. you ask any pakistani, even teh most illiterate on the street, and he will tell you chinese and pakistan are brothers. not like USA which coerces other countries for its dirty work.

 

Once upon a time the people loved the USA as well here. When we were all on the same side fighting the godless commies. Politically, Pakistan and USA are still allies. but as far as the people are concerned, not any more. can u guess why? ( crd : cause ur jealous)

 

China borders Pakistan by the way. And did you know that the Pakistan China border has NO soldiers on either side. thats cause we trust them not to stab us in the back like USA does to other countries. thats why ppl hate your country. New Age Rome. Bloody imperialists.

 

crdgohan wrote:

 

the smaller countries are the bullies and not the US, despite what many people may think.

 

LOL what a joke. sounds like something from jon stewart.

 

crdgohan wrote:

 

And as for the best democracy, I'm not making any claims here but if I had to, I don't think anyone else in the world is willing to fight over that title, and with good reason.

 

thats exactly what i'm countering, that you and no one in the world has a right to even say that, let alone fight wars based on it. Thats what the roman's said : Rome is the light, the seat of civilisation. the rest is darkness and barbaric. Rome is admired to this day for its architechtural and technological wonders. but decried as the epitome of the 'evil empire' due to their immorality and bloody deeds. USA fits the bill more and more as each day passes.

 

TSBO wrote:

 

Knowing how a lot of your country really isn't government controlled and tribe owned and ran, I think rape and murder could happen a lot more than you or me know also.

 

TOTALLY INCORRECT! u really think i'm typing this from a tent don't you? Like i said b4 this isnt a banana republic. 6th largest pop in the world. 3rd fastest economic growth in asia. nuclear and missile power. free media that's probably more professional than yours if this thread is any indication. I had a friend from america come here and i asked him the difference. he told me its mostly the same, just different kinds of trees and weather. but we r definitely third/second world, i am not denying that. not enough high-rises you see, but thats changing fast.

 

Actually the tribal area is just a small area, a small strip along pak-afghan border. its basically only 1% of our total pop. And btw have u even been there? they are the most hospitable ppl on the face of the earth, not like savages or something. Just these days they r seriously pissed off by all the bombing, death and innocent ppl, children and schools are being destroyed by your 'predator' drones in their area.

 

actually your argument applies more to the US with has so many wide open areas where government/cops control is so low that you could kill rape any1 and get away with it by dumping them anywhere. whos to stop you in the middle of nowhere ?

 

 

SS wrote:

 

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Vyper wrote:

 

can you name any serial rapists, paedophiles, serial killers from pakistan. No you cant. cause there arnt any, at least not on the level that you've got. in all my time here, i have known only 1 psychopathic serial killer/pedophile in Pakistan. that was like 10 years ago.and you've got dozens and dozens that just keep coming. yeah there is rape,murder here but not on the level that you have.

 

SS reply:

 

You do know that population figures and the amount of diversity do play a role in this.

 

yeah i do. pakistan has 4 major races, with 10s of subdivisions in each group. each group has its own language or dialect and customs. that means diversity in the hundreds. pakistan has VERY high pop density and 6th largest pop in the world. of course USA has more diversity i accept that, but we're not a monolithic entity either.

 

 

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Vyper wrote:

 

In any case we never invaded other countries on the pretext that we are a perfect society or the best democracy.

 

SS reply:

 

 

Neither did we. However, I will grant you that the current pretext was flimsy at best.

 

i respect your opinion there.

 

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Vyper wrote:

 

to repeat myself for the third time, we have the lowest murder rate in the world. i'm talking about actual statistics here. or rather, we had it, just before you guys invaded the countries next door.

 

SS reply:

 

As I recall, you never mentioned this once before now.

 

i did. just shows you jumped into the thread somewhere later. when i revealed that i was from pakistan, in that post i said it.

 

SS wrote:

 

Here's the thing... you never see the good side of, well, anything from this country.

 

not true, i mentioned twice i think that you guys make the best games, movies, technology etc. cnc fan right? i have some american friends and they are all warm and caring. just that all this **** going on pisses me off. i studied montessori in america for 2 yrs and i consider my teacher there my mother. we are still occasionaly in contact. basically i know america is not a bad place, but what it does abroad give it a bad name.

 

SS wrote:

 

even though your statements are true, they are quite the minority of events

 

dont think so mate. thats cause u dont live here in the WARZONE.

 

SS wrote:

 

I've got you cornered and you just won't admit it

 

 

do u honestly believe that?

[Doctor Destiny 41]

premature celebrations . early days guys , early days. just cause i dont use profanity, which you guys really like, doesnt mean i'm pwned or something. Neutral observers know that, if not you americans. so without further waiting, on to the real issues :

You are, technically, pwned. You have no real substance... it's the same thing over and over.

 

Then the chap comes and contradicts HIMSELF by doing the exact same thing for which he criticized ME. thats why i said "you dare comment....". You nullified your own argument SS ,LOL. thats why i used ur own quotes against u.

I most certainly did not. I'm just applying your inane logic in the same way you do. You seem to just despise when the bull**** you run gets tossed right back at you. Not to mention, I specified nothing, commenting on an entire region, even though I realize full well that most 'news' is skewed.

 

plus i never said that my country is a utopia or something. u can read my previous posts and you will see that i have ackknowldged that ppl get murdered and raped here as well. just not on the same level as in your 'superpower'.

HELLO! Ten times the diversity! You seem to forget that!

 

Do you know how much of a Nazi/Stalinist you sound when you say that? Its like your saying when an american soldier or citizen dies, it is a great tragedy and sorrow. But when our guys die, its just a statistic, or collateral damage for the 'greater good'. God, your shamelessness knows no bounds !

Your ignorance truly shows in this post. Do you have any idea how many people actually grieve for YOUR people? Quite a few people, that's who. Since you never see the good side of America, you'd never even have known that yet you still assume we're all warmongering pigs.

 

technologically , not morally. its a 21st century Rome like i said.

Morality is a line drawn by humans that doesn't exist. End of story.

 

thats cause we trust them not to stab us in the back like USA does to other countries. thats why ppl hate your country. New Age Rome. Bloody imperialists.

Name one time we attacked an ally. Oh, what's that? OH RIGHT! You can't! We've never stabbed anyone in the back unless you count Britain but that was because we got tired of their ****!

 

thats exactly what i'm countering, that you and no one in the world has a right to even say that, let alone fight wars based on it. Thats what the roman's said : Rome is the light, the seat of civilisation. the rest is darkness and barbaric. Rome is admired to this day for its architechtural and technological wonders. but decried as the epitome of the 'evil empire' due to their immorality and bloody deeds. USA fits the bill more and more as each day passes.

Someone has to stand up for what's right in the world. No one is really willing to do it these days.

 

yeah i do. pakistan has 4 major races, with 10s of subdivisions in each group. each group has its own language or dialect and customs. that means diversity in the hundreds. pakistan has VERY high pop density and 6th largest pop in the world. of course USA has more diversity i accept that, but we're not a monolithic entity either.

I never said Pakistan was a monolithic nation. However, you name a race or culture and we have it in 15 different places in this country. That tends to play a big role in crime statistics.

 

... but what it does abroad give it a bad name.

Wrong. What the ****ing dip**** media people report give us a bad name.

 

dont think so mate. thats cause u dont live here in the WARZONE.

You don't either. Stop pretending that you do.

[rEdaSbLood 1]

well vyper you have been defeated..

 

YOU'RE the one being arrogant btw...

 

and that in itself is a loss...

 

but please, continue so we can all pity you some more..

[JahSpoR 0]

Vvyper = 1

Americans = 4 or ...

Observers = ??

 

Vvyper = a country

Americans = a nation

Observers = the rest of the world

 

Vvyper = defending

Americans = attacking

Observers = laughing

 

Vvyper = loosing

Americans = laughing, attacking more.

Observers = trying to understand.

 

Vvyper = Trying to make it an 1-1

Americans = still attacking and laughing.

Observers = ... gone

 

Vvyper = realized defeat

Americans = Laughing and attacking.

Observers = ... long gone

 

Vvyper = defending against continuated attacks, while trying to explain.

Americans = Attacking and laughing.

Observers = returns.

 

Vvyper = leavin

Americans = wins the debate (so what?)

Observers = decides to leave too.

 

Vvyper = ... gone

Americans = laughing.

Observers ... gone

 

Vvyper = ... long gone

Americans = havin' a party

Observers = ... long gone

 

Vvyper = ... gone weeks ago

Americans = havin' a bigger party

Observers = Laughing their butt off... (dont ask why couse i kill you)

 

just some nonsense sh!t.

[rEdaSbLood 1]

i love how Americans have been dubbed the villainous ones in this situation...

 

as in many others...i think it is because we are a strong nation and because we stand hard in defending ourselves?

[sith_wampa 6]

LOL vyper you just got burned by Jah$spor pretty badly, and he's from Denmark. :lol:

 

I didn't want to come straight out and say it at first, because it does seem arrogant, but I find it to be true. SMALLER, LESS ECONOMICALLY AND MILITARISTICALLY INFERIOR COUNTRIES ARE IN FACT JEALOUS OF THE POWER AND WEALTH OF AMERICA.

 

 

Now I could go on and on about how stupid vyper is making himself look right now, but I wont.