Politics of Generals

[Guest Rikaelus]

:x I'am angry when I see that America is so clear here. They always have the good ones, not like China who hacking to get money or GLA who use black market and cash bounty to get money for example. SOmetimes I feel that EA made America in Generals as a perfect nation.

 

America has its moments. Like when the bazooka guys yell "I'll shoot at anything!" (I think that's them who says that) I think to myself, "yeah... even civilians."

 

And of course I always get a chuckle when US players kill teammates... but that happens on all sides.

 

Other than that, yeah... the game reaks of American nationalism.

[General Leang 0]

Oh, apart from the GLA the USA rocket soldier is the most offensive unit in the game. Here are a couple of his other quotes.

 

"I wanna blow something up."

"Let me launch one."

[J-Fire_Man 0]

Only that!!! The most think that I hate in Generals/Zero Hour is the models of GLA wich is represent the Iraqi forces, they make most of the gamer think that Iraq is a corupt country which researching a weapon of mass destruction like anthrax and SCUD launcher to destroy human kinds in the world. Based on my knowledge is that the Iraqi doesn't have anything kind of that, and Saddam is not a really bad person like the American and other nation thought. The event in USA first mission in Generals when GLA fire a SCUD storm in the middle of Baghdad which is full Iraqis is really really make me angry . The Iraqi forces won't do such things to their innocent civilians, it was America who killed a lot of innocent civilians in the invasion to Baghdad. For me this is a great game, but also the most controvertial game. And I know, that the secret behind the war is oil, only OIL.

[Gazdude 0]

"I wanna blow something up."

 

yeh british troops

[Guest Emperor]

That's the funniest part of the game; it makes me euphoric.

USA has supply docks, the bad ones use hackers and slaves. It’s very controversial, but that’s the magic of the game, that’s what I like it so much.

[Saracen 16]

Saddam is not a really bad person like the American and other nation thought. The event in USA first mission in Generals when GLA fire a SCUD storm in the middle of Baghdad which is full Iraqis is really really make me angry . The Iraqi forces won't do such things to their innocent civilians.

 

Let me make this clear that actually Saddam was a bastard no doubt about that, he is as bad as the Coalition made him out to be.

 

How can you get angry when you say that the Iraqi forces wouldn't kill their own civilians? Saddam has made sure that's happened for years! That is 100% fact! Civilians have been gassed, tortured, shot, and has biological weapons used against them. The reason why these "so-called" weapons of mass destruction couldn't be found is that either:

 

1) The are hidden out in the iraqi deserts in a place that cannot found, and i'm talking huge stockpiles (About 10 have been found since the war ended, containing basic chemical and biological weapons of some grade, although most weapons have been emptied)

 

2) Have been destroyed or decommissioned.

 

3) Have been exported to other middle east countries & or terrorist organisinations.

 

How come when the weapons inspectors arrived in iraq before the war, the Iraqi's were extremely un-cooperative with them, they were hiding these weapons alright.

 

Don't believe everything you read in the papers or hear in the news. Believe me when you talk about September 11th, that is one huge conspiracy and is full of lies and red tape. The plan heading for washington was not crash landed in a field.... it was shot down, reports of that were clear on the day that a squadron of F-15's were scrambled to intercept that plane. Those reports were quickly dismissed despite the fact that we were all told the truth within minutes of it happening!

 

Saddam is every cursing swear word under in the dictionary. He has had pacts with terrorists and terrorist countries including Osama Bin Laden (explain the suicide bombings in iraq now?) and the palastinians.. as well as countries like Lybia and Iran (who are consequently known to be building a nuclear weapon despite not having any access to the materials a month before the Iraqi war...

 

During the cold war, Russians used to carry round briefcase nuke bombs, there were only 25 ever made. 7 were decommisioned and destroyed, 18 are missing... am i making you see sense here.... terrorism is bigger than most of the world realise. Because on average at least 10 terror attacks on target countries are planned every day... The intelligence services know about 95% of these planned cases. It just takes that 5% to really scare the crap out of everyone.

[Guest Rikaelus]

How can you get angry when you say that the Iraqi forces wouldn't kill their own civilians? Saddam has made sure that's happened for years! That is 100% fact! Civilians have been gassed, tortured, shot, and has biological weapons used against them. The reason why these "so-called" weapons of mass destruction couldn't be found is that either:

 

They were civilians by who's definition? Many were political enemies; traitors, if you will -- especially the Kurds. They were as much an enemy to Saddam as Japan was to us, and nobody condemns the US for having used WMD on Japan.

 

Anyway.. that's my two cents on that.

[carage 0]

They were civilians by who's definition? Many were political enemies; traitors, if you will -- especially the Kurds. They were as much an enemy to Saddam as Japan was to us, and nobody condemns the US for having used WMD on Japan.

 

Anyway.. that's my two cents on that.

 

Well...tons of people in Japan condemns the US for dropping those bombs. Did you know the original Gojira (Godzilla) movie was made as a protest against nuclear weapons?

[Guest Rikaelus]

 

They were civilians by who's definition? Many were political enemies; traitors, if you will -- especially the Kurds. They were as much an enemy to Saddam as Japan was to us, and nobody condemns the US for having used WMD on Japan.

 

Anyway.. that's my two cents on that.

 

Well...tons of people in Japan condemns the US for dropping those bombs. Did you know the original Gojira (Godzilla) movie was made as a protest against nuclear weapons?

 

Hehe.. that's cool. I didn't know that. Anyway.. it shows how "civilian" is a very relative term.

[Gazdude 0]

What did Libya do wrong? is it just because they are communist country people think they are all bad people?

[Guest Rikaelus]

What did Libya do wrong? is it just because they are communist country people think they are all bad people?

 

Probably. It's ironic that Americans have always claimed to be tolerant, but they're completely intolerant of other cultures, if those cultures are different enough. I really am ashamed to be an American at times, but atleast being one puts me in a position to make a difference. Not much of a chance at making one, mind you, but more than non-Americans.

[Saracen 16]

The UK's Prime minister Tony Blair practically wsa the commander in cheif of not only our forces, but of the USA's forces as well.. Come on you really think a president that thickheaded would run any of the US? He gets everybody to do it for him, in which case Blair oversaw all!

 

We only wanted to go to war in iraq to pretect the British people in cyprus due to the fact intelligence believed he had missiles powerful enough to get to cyprus... and America just wanted anotehr war and some oil....lol

 

So there you go, I aint standing up for america, COZ I@M BRITISH

[Gazdude 0]

We only wanted to go to war in iraq to pretect the British people in cyprus due to the fact intelligence believed he had missiles powerful enough to get to cyprus...

 

Who told him that? the American's? Lmao! it sounds like blackmail....

[Guest Emperor]

They were civilians by who's definition?

 

Children are always civilians, also Kurd children.

 

Nobody condemns the US for having used WMD on Japan.

 

That's because at that time people were more violent, just take a look at the holocaust. Using WMD the war gets over immediately, it save a lot of people and it give a message to the world.

 

Tons of people in Japan condemns the US for dropping those bombs

 

They would have thought twice before attacking Pearl Harbor, they got what they deserve.

 

Just because they are communist country people think they are all bad people?

 

Of course, in every country the communism is accepted as any other political doctrine it doesn't matter all the people that there get killed, but if you say that you are nazi everybody get disturbed and exalted.

[Guest Rikaelus]

They were civilians by who's definition?

 

Children are always civilians' date=' also Kurd children.[/quote']

 

Even those who are armed and trained to kill like we've seen in the Gaza Strip (I think that's where...). And in wars of ideologies such as religious wars (compared to military wars), the defining characteristic of the enemy is someone who has the enemy's beliefs. Children can have those beliefs and have the potential to carry them into new generations.

 

Nobody condemns the US for having used WMD on Japan.

 

That's because at that time people were more violent' date=' just take a look at the holocaust. Using WMD the war gets over immediately, it save a lot of people and it give a message to the world.[/quote']

 

No, it theorhetically saved lived lives. We'll never actually know, will we? And people were more violent then? Well.. maybe you're right. And people are more violent in the Middle East, too, so I think you just provided an argument I can use for my point.

 

Tons of people in Japan condemns the US for dropping those bombs

 

They would have thought twice before attacking Pearl Harbor' date=' they got what they deserve.[/quote']

 

Small Japanese children got what they deserved? You just finished telling me they would have been innocent no matter what. I think you should stick to one argument...

[General Leang 0]

To further the debate you might like to read this. I apologise in advance for any incorrect names, as I am not sure of the spelling of the terrorist or the group he was affiliated with. Nick Brockhausen is a veteran with over two decades in the US Army Special Forces. He has had multiple tours in Vietnam with the 5th Special Forces Group and has spent five years working on counter terrorism in Europe. Here is what he says on defining a terrorist.

 

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. If you're going to use the book definition of what a terrorist is then one that would come to mind first off would be Manocun Dagun, because when Manocun Dagun was a member of the Palomon, he was doing everything that we find reprehensible today. He blew up the British Officer's Club and not only killed British officers but their wives and children as well. That is a terrorist act. A terrorist is someone who uses terror as an instrument to further his ideology or his demands on society that he thinks is treating him unfairly. To say whether it's bad or good is really up to history, but a terrorist is someone who uses terror as a tool.

[Gazdude 0]

it save a lot of people and it give a message to the world.

 

No it didn't it killed hundreds of thousands of japanese innocents and children that weren't even fighting.

 

Those that were fighting, in the eyes of themselves they were fighting for what was good like our troops were. The only evil in Japan was Hirohito.

 

and it give a message to the world

 

The reason the US used the bomb was to get back for what hapened in pearl harbor, a sort of "Nobody does that to the US" statement.

[J-Fire_Man 0]

I agree with you gazdude, the USA is the most arrogant country in the world. They only want to show that they are the best.

[General Leang 0]

I think that might have been the reason for Iraq as well, telling the world not to mess with America.

[J-Fire_Man 0]

Yeah, the most "advanced" nation in the world.

[Guest Emperor]

No matter if you are a Country or a single terrorist, if you mess with the free world you are going to pay for it. If the enemy is a country it's easy, just drop some bombs over it and that's all, there is solid information that say that Japan was planning to drop biological weapons over California (killing civilians of course). Hiroshima and Nagasaki was just a defensive act.

 

If the enemy is a man like Osama Bin Laden they will go to the hell and back to find him and if it's means that they got to overthrow a government, so be it.

Iraq was the shelter for some terrorist. Sometimes the hunt for terrorists requires a lot of information and there are a lot of people in Iraq (including Saddam Husayn) that knows many things.

 

¿What do you think they should do? ¿Stay calm after Pearl Harbor? ¿Stay calm after September 11?

[Gazdude 0]

As i said before it wasn't the Japanese who were the bad people it was Emperor Hirohito.. Just like the bad people aren't the Americans it's George Bush..

 

If the people had the choice do you think they would drop a nuke on innocent civilians? do you think they would drop Bio Weapons on innocents?

 

But to the government it seems they prefer to protect innocents by killing innocents, then torturing POW's

[Guest Rikaelus]

If the enemy is a man like Osama Bin Laden they will go to the hell and back to find him and if it's means that they got to overthrow a government, so be it.

 

The US has more intelligence operatives tracking Castro than they do Bin Laden at the moment.

 

Iraq was the shelter for some terrorist. Sometimes the hunt for terrorists requires a lot of information and there are a lot of people in Iraq (including Saddam Husayn) that knows many things.

 

There are terrorists hiding in Israel, too. Why aren't we going after them? That argument is as shallow as they come.

 

¿What do you think they should do? ¿Stay calm after Pearl Harbor? ¿Stay calm after September 11?

 

Yes. Acting on irrational emotion, as a victim, only leads to irrational action.

[Guest Emperor]

There are terrorists hiding in Israel, too. Why aren't we going after them?

 

There are terrorist hiding all over the world, but most of the countries cooperate with USA.

You cannot stay motionless after an attack like Zapatero do in Spain. You have to fight back using most of your force, quick and lethal, you should read Sun Tzu, The Art Of War, perhaps you will understand it better.

[Guest Rikaelus]

There are terrorists hiding in Israel, too. Why aren't we going after them?

 

There are terrorist hiding all over the world, but most of the countries cooperate with USA.

You cannot stay motionless after an attack like Zapatero do in Spain. You have to fight back using most of your force, quick and lethal, you should read Sun Tzu, The Art Of War, perhaps you will understand it better.

 

There's also common sense. If you invade a country that harbors terrorists, you're very likely to alienate the locals. Terrorists can then use that alienation to recruit those locals to their cause -- increasing their threat profile. Going in with our guns blazing will only serve to validate much of the reason terrorists hate us. Do you really want to validate their goals in the eyes of others?

 

That is precisely why you cannot fight terrorism with conventional means; it's like stepping on an ant hill. If you don't kill each and every ant (which is incredibly unlikely), then the ants will just dig deeper holes and be that much more difficult to kill off.

 

That's precisely what has occured in Iraq and the longer we're there, the more we'll alienate Iraqis and turn them against us.