new to modding, does anybody have link to basic tutorial?

[Nmenth 291]

Heh... I'll keep repeating my posts until you get it! I'm patient like that.

It was help, in my opinion, just because you don't think so doesn't mean you're right.

 

You're still confusing secret or hidden for anonymous. Back in the day when we had guest accounts, that could be considered an anonymous post... but even those had account numbers (if I recall correctly)... so as soon as you made two posts from the same person it can no longer be considered anonymous. I'm not questioning your secret identity, I'm stating by definition that every post with a signature is no longer anonymous... it has individuality, distinction and is recognizable. You're like 'Zoro" a masked crusader who leaves his mark wherever he posts!

I think you are still interpreting it wrongly, I'd go with definition 2, assuming this is, in fact, definition 2 and not 1 rephrased (which wouldn't be very proper for a dictionary now, would it), it does not mean the same thing. I point you to the 'unknown'. Just because I have a name does not make me known.

 

I will stick to my current argument if you continue to disbelieve me, but I'd like to say that you started this based off my original 'incorrect' use, but even by your definition (interpretation), I used it correctly. I was saying i did not want media attention, as you had not yet clarified that you meant

Media... as in videos of big-ass nuclear explosions. Not as in reporters.

If the media does not know me, even as Nmenth, I am anonymous by all definitions.

 

Besides this is not off-topic this is nation-building or at least forum membership stuff of legends here.

We're actually only half off-topic, the first half of our debate is still in concern of the topic's purpose.

[Gben 20]

It was help, in my opinion, just because you don't think so doesn't mean you're right.

and I quote

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/help

help

1 : to give assistance or support to <help a child with homework>

2 a : to make more pleasant or bearable : improve, relieve <bright curtains will help the room> <took an aspirin to help her headache> b archaic : rescue, save

3 a : to be of use to : benefit b : to further the advancement of : promote

4 a : to change for the better b : to refrain from : avoid <we couldn't help laughing> c : to keep from occurring : prevent <they couldn't help the accident> d : to restrain (oneself) from doing something <knew they shouldn't go but couldn't help themselves>

5 : to serve with food or drink especially at a meal <told the guests to help themselves>

6 : to appropriate something for (oneself) <helped himself to the car keys>

Emphasis mine. We're discussing appropriate behaviour to encourage modders in their quest, and I'm expanding it to appropriate behaviour to build the local cncnz membership. I don't think your post helped either situation. I think this falls under the category "if you've got nothing positive to say, don't say anything". And I only bring this up because you have demonstrated this behaviour towards C&C4... why can't you show the same courtesy to a new guest to the forums?

 

Some may think this is a storm in a tea-cup, but I'm trying to improve forum behaviour and make the place more welcoming for new people to come.

 

off-topic conversation...

I think you are still interpreting it wrongly, I'd go with definition 2, assuming this is, in fact, definition 2 and not 1 rephrased (which wouldn't be very proper for a dictionary now, would it), it does not mean the same thing. I point you to the 'unknown'. Just because I have a name does not make me known.

Nmenth... you just contradicted your self within one sentence (well I am assuming your name is 'Nmenth' in that sentence I've under-lined - not the real you)!

 

(My bad grammar, punctuation and spelling probably sticks out to be people more proficient at the English language than me (or at least are more diligent in re-reading their post) and those people feel compelled to point it out. Sloppy use of words that don't mean what they are intended do, is a red flag that I can't resist, it's my Achilles heel. Especially when they use more sloppy words to argue the first instance...)

 

I will stick to my current argument if you continue to disbelieve me, but I'd like to say that you started this based off my original 'incorrect' use, but even by your definition (interpretation), I used it correctly. I was saying i did not want media attention, as you had not yet clarified that you meant If the media does not know me, even as Nmenth, I am anonymous by all definitions.

Heh... when you use the word "interpretation" are you thinking in terms of "interpretative dance"???

[cue scrubs scene with Bambi performing his interpretive dance - Pythagoras Theorem].

 

It's not my definition or interpretation it's a cut & paste of the words you are using incorrectly from a dictionary.

It's like my Lebanese friends with their catch-phrase "fully-sic(k)" when they mean one thing by using the wrong words on purpose.

[Nmenth 291]

Regarding keithktam:

 

I will say again, he asked a question, I answered his question. That is help.

 

Suppose he was being robbed at gunpoint and I killed the robber. What I did was kill a person, there is nothing nice about that, but I did help the victim.

 

Suppose he was being robbed at gunpoint and I drew a gun too to make sure he paid up. Did I not help the robber?

 

By your first definition of help, I did. I answered his question. Whether you found it to be supportive of his modding efforts is not really relevant, because giving him a guide to modding was not what I was doing, I was only answering his question.

 

Help does not need to be kind, considerate, or 'warm and fuzzy' to be help, it only needs to accomplish a goal the helped was seeking. He sought an answer, I gave it.

 

 

Regarding your misinterpretation of what anonymity means:

 

Anonymity is derived from the Greek word ανωνυμία, meaning "without a name" or "namelessness". In colloquial use, anonymous typically refers to a person, and often means that the personal identity, or personally identifiable information of that person is not known.

Your argument is based on the first part, "without a name".

My argument is based on the second part, personal identity or personally identifiable information of a person.

 

 

Sometimes it is desired that a person can establish a long-term relationship (such as a reputation) with some other entity, without his/her personal identity being disclosed to that entity. In this case, it may be useful for the person to establish a unique identifier, called a pseudonym, with the other entity. Examples of pseudonyms are nicknames, credit card numbers, student numbers, bank account numbers, and IP addresses. A pseudonym enables the other entity to link different messages from the same person and, thereby, the maintenance of a long-term relationship. Although typically pseudonyms do not contain personally identifying information, communication that is based on pseudonyms is often not classified as "anonymous", but as "pseudonymous" instead.

Again, your argument ^

 

However, in other contexts what matters is that both anonymity and pseudonymity are concepts that are, among other things, concerned with hiding a person's legal identity. In such contexts people may not distinguish between anonymity and pseudonymity.

 

Most commentary on the Internet is essentially done anonymously, using unidentifiable pseudonyms. While these names can take on an identity of their own, they are frequently separated from and anonymous from the actual author, creating more freedom of expression, and less accountability.

My argument ^

 

The problem of determining whether or not the identity of a communication partner is the same as one previously encountered is the problem of authentication.

 

An example: Suppose that only Alice, Bob, and Carol have the keys to a bank safe and that, one day, the contents of the safe are missing (without the lock being violated). Without any additional information, we do not know for sure whether it was Alice, Bob or Carol who opened the safe; the perpetrator remains anonymous. In particular, each of the elements in {Alice, Bob, Carol} has a 1/3 chance of being the perpetrator. However, as long as none of them has been identified as being the perpetrator with 100% certainty, we can say that the perpetrator remains anonymous.

 

Anonymity is not an absolute. That is, the degree of anonymity one enjoys may vary. In the above example, if Carol has an ironclad alibi at the time of the perpetration, then we may deduce that it must have been either Alice or Bob who opened the safe. That is, the probability of the elements {Alice, Bob, Carol} of being the perpetrator is now 1/2, 1/2, and 0 respectively. This clearly amounts to a reduction of the perpetrator's anonymity (i.e. although the perpetrator still remains anonymous, it is now more likely than before that (s)he is either Alice or Bob).

So you see, first of all, there are varying degrees of anonymity. Secondly, as you don't know who Nmenth is, there is no confirmation that I am, in fact, one person. Therefore, I do retain some anonymity, despite using a name.

 

Just because a name exists does not mean the anonymity is lost.

[Gben 20]

I was just going to edit my post to suggest we split this thread and relocate to site news/discussion.

I'm suggesting that we move all of your posts and all of my posts.

[Nmenth 291]

I was just going to edit my post to suggest we split this thread and relocate to site news/discussion.

I considered it already (before any off-topic whining started), but the problem is that our debate is so ingrained within the original topic, I wasn't sure how to separate the pieces and still have the new topic make any kind of sense.

[Mighty BOB! 5]

On of the cardinal rules of moderating is not to moderate a topic you're heavily involved in, especially debate.

[Louis TH 0]

I have a question, is there anyting in this topic about creating a new unit from scratch or do I have to create an entirely new topic about that?

[Nmenth 291]

If a topic is more than 4 months old (as this one is), it is generally best that you start a new topic.