A thought on September 11 conspiracies

[Masked Shah 5]

Bware and I don't always agree on things, alot of things.

but the things we do agree on are usually common sense things.

 

If it offends both of us, chances are it's well...

 

something very wrong was mentioned

 

for those of you who don't know...

 

Masked Shah- Open minded Moderate, who may agree on policies of Democrats and Republicans. Thinks of both parties as peanutbutter and chocolate coming together as a Reese's federal type government. Anti-war views, and has a Discordian/humanist look at life... Thinks of Bush not as a bad guy but as a joke... a circus clown with floppy feet if you will.

 

Bware- Republican, christain-faith views, always sided with conservatives... Limbaugh listener, and pro-Bush...

 

So you can see we both differ.

 

So when we do agree on something, the thing mentioned violated common sense itself to grab our attention.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Basically meaning that if you two agree on something, then there is deffinetly something to be said there.

[apparitionnz 0]

The idear of the US goverment 'alowing' a terrorist attack to continue is way more feasable than the US goverment seting the whole thing up from scratch.

 

Didn't roosevelt know about the pearl harbour attack before hand but saw it as a way to get around congress blocking US entry into WWII?

[apparitionnz 0]

My point is that NO ONE is benefitting financially from this thing (not substantially- don't even try Haliburton on me :roll:), and therefore any giant conspiracy theories- like the idiotic one you believe- are not in ANY WAY reasonable. Not that that would some from believing though... :roll:

 

Haliburton is a prime example that those who matter to the administration have and are benefiting

 

Bush before becomming the man responsible for tens of thousands of civilian deaths was a weak president who could bearly scrape togeather a 50% approval rating

 

A war or two later the republicans control congress and the administraton and are stacking the supreem cort. The EPA has been castrated in favour of the big business lobby etc

 

If you're looking for beneficaries the throw a rock as they say.

 

I'm not supporting one view or the other here but at least argue with an open view to the facts.

[RKCoon 0]

OK, time to stomp on the hornets nest.

 

MadBadger - My congradualtions to you, sir, for "holding the line" for us liberal left wing free thinkers.

 

Bware - you are a peice of work i gotta admit. a 20 year old not even IN college yet (provided i read that right) who, when fired on, acts pretty damned immature, essentially getting your gander up rather than cutting people down, telling people to STFU without the talk to back it up. your flagrant denial of facts repeatedly slapped in your face (to say nothing of hosts of other stuff LMAO) reeks of neoconservatism -- and if your a NEO conservative, id sure hate to see a TRUE conservative. But, to back MYSELF up, to tear on a few of your points, read below...

 

 

Masked Shaw - ya, it did happen -- but the US governemnt, no matter HOW nicely you slice it, failed miserably, and 3000 innocent people in the WTC --- AND the what, nearing 3000 of the innocent men and women -- your brothers and sisters in arms, i beleive? -- have ALSO died for this fluckup bullsh!t, have they not? Im not pretending sh!t -- it was a tragedy, and i want to know ALL of what happend and ALL of those responsible, by action or deliberate neglegence. dont we as an advanced society as a whole owe it to those that have died? and ARE dying? If its proven that more than the Taliban are responsible for the past and present deaths and destruction, dont you want THEM to hang as well? or do you , as Bware would seemingly wish us do, automaticly beleive your leadership free and clear of all blame, solely for BEING leadership?

 

As to directly concerning 911 -

 

I dont beleive the US planned it. they DID, however, see it coming, a substantial ways off. between thier inner conflicts between internal security and political forces, but moreover, a will by the higher echelons of both the us government -- as well as financial interests -- there was a strong will to pull a stunt similar to WW2 -- in short, rile the people up enough to wage war. an opportunity was seen, and was taken. The attacks , i feel WERE planned and carried out directly by the taliban - and that they chose the targets VERY well. the idea, from thier standpoint, was to cause terror -- and demoralise the people. however, heres where its tricky -- what to aimfor and get away with it? well, taking out one ofthe key parts of the US financial industry is one, as would smashing up the whitehouse -- but what good would sending a craft at the pentagon do? i dont care what anyone says, having your military that centralised is suicide, and the american military (i would hope) isnt htat stupid. further, kamakazeing an armored target ,even with the mass that passenger airlines are, wouldnt so a whole hell of a lot. examination, in my mind, of the damage views reliesed -- as well as the TOTAL reluctance by the US government to release OTHER vid footage of the strike on the pentagon puts much mud onthe image of a 767 attacking the pentagon. Further, the extreme reluctance by the US, both military and governemnt, to release a multitude of requested documents for public examination leads to beleive that theres plenty there that they DONT want known. Futher, people working to examine ALL aspects of truth have been repeatedly shut (and occasionly SHOT) down. WHY?

 

That being said, some elements of USsecurity were effective at the time, more by luck i would wager, and were able to prevent a BIGGER tragedy -- but no thanks for that goes anyplace NEAR that damnedable whitehouse, but the men and women on the frontlines -- the same ones routinely getting screwed by the government they work to protect.

[BWare 0]

OK, time to stomp on the hornets nest.

What hornets nest? Everyone here is getting along, but I see you're about to change that... :roll:

 

Bware - you are a peice of work i gotta admit. a 20 year old not even IN college yet (provided i read that right) who, when fired on, acts pretty damned immature, essentially getting your gander up rather than cutting people down, telling people to STFU without the talk to back it up. your flagrant denial of facts repeatedly slapped in your face (to say nothing of hosts of other stuff LMAO) reeks of neoconservatism -- and if your a NEO conservative, id sure hate to see a TRUE conservative. But, to back MYSELF up, to tear on a few of your points, read below...

I AM in college and am working on a microbiology degree, one of the hardest out there. So yeah... you did get that very wrong.

 

Once again I challenge you to back yourself up! Your arguments are repeatedly childish and laughable. You have YET to really present an actual debatable point. I've never once told anyone to "STFU", and what "flagrant denial of facts" are you talking about?? See, now this is what I'm always talking about when I tell you to be specific. How am I even supposed to respond to that? :roll:

Also, at least you finally figured out what a neoconservative is :roll:

I am in fact a TRUE conservative. That means that my point of view is conservative in pretty much every way- from foreign policy to social policy to fiscal policy. Neoconservatives are only conservative when it comes to foreign policy. Hell, the name came from the socialist movement in the 70s and was used as an insult toward their hawkish members! Most of the idiots out there simply think that it means "extreme conservative." They just like it because in their small minds it sounds like "neonazi", and it allows them to say "ZOMG N30CONZ ARE LIEK NE0-NAZIS LOLZ!!!!11"

 

Yeah, that's about the size of it.

 

 

Masked Shaw - ya, it did happen -- but the US governemnt, no matter HOW nicely you slice it, failed miserably, and 3000 innocent people in the WTC --- AND the what, nearing 3000 of the innocent men and women -- your brothers and sisters in arms, i beleive? -- have ALSO died for this fluckup bullsh!t, have they not?

Well, for starters, the intelligence failures lie squarely on the shoulders of the Clinton administration... and he was one of your "liberal left wing free thinkers", right? Anyway, your failure to see this for what it is is truly concerning. We were attacked unprovoked by a group of religious fanatics whose sole purpose is to bring the US to its knees and cause its ultimate destruction. Your attempt to somehow blame the government for it is just silly. Seriously. It's akin to turning to a guy who was JUST punched in the face and saying "what did you do??" while ignoring the angry oaf rubbing his knuckles who JUST punched him.

 

...or do you , as Bware would seemingly wish us do, automaticly beleive your leadership free and clear of all blame, solely for BEING leadership?

No, that is NOT true. Give me some EVIDENCE to back up your idiotic conspiracy theories and I'll consider it, but for now my LOYALTY lies with the US! What the hell is wrong with you? In Canada are you really that backward? My country was suckerpunched, and we are now dealing with those responsible while mourning our own losses. My first inclination is NOT to BLAME them!!

 

I dont beleive the US planned it. they DID, however, see it coming, a substantial ways off. between thier inner conflicts between internal security and political forces, but moreover, a will by the higher echelons of both the us government -- as well as financial interests -- there was a strong will to pull a stunt similar to WW2 -- in short, rile the people up enough to wage war.

Yes, this is SUCH a brilliant "James Bond villain" strategy. In order to make some friends a couple billion in no bid contracts, the "upper echelons" (ooooohhhhh!) are going to ALLOW the World Trade Center to be destroyed, taking with it thousands of working contributors to the economy as well as the countless billions that the businesses and even the building ITSELF are worth, scaring people out of flying and therefore bankrupting the entire airline industry, and causing a VERY noticeable slump in our economy. What a BRILLIANT plan by your phantom conspirators, ominously pulling the strings from behind the shadows...... all this so that, several years later, they can make a few bucks in Iraq after nearly destroying themselves. What a great way to make some money... and so simple!

 

Plus, it's definitely fair to assume that big business and the Republican party is run by evil, heartless trolls who LIKE killing the poor, children, and the elderly, and LIKE seeing thousands of their fellow citizens forced to jump to their deaths and get incinerated as they crawl, choking hopelessly for breath. Yes, we on the right CLEARLY have no souls! What a kind and fair assessment by you!

 

I'll tell ya RK, you may be able to write a nice action movie screenplay (completel with laughable but entertaining plot), but HOLY COW... your grasp on reality leaves a lot to be desired.

 

examination, in my mind, of the damage views reliesed -- as well as the TOTAL reluctance by the US government to release OTHER vid footage of the strike on the pentagon puts much mud onthe image of a 767 attacking the pentagon. Further, the extreme reluctance by the US, both military and governemnt, to release a multitude of requested documents for public examination leads to beleive that theres plenty there that they DONT want known. Futher, people working to examine ALL aspects of truth have been repeatedly shut (and occasionly SHOT) down. WHY?

This is just more unspecific, broad, paranoid thinking dude. While there are some interesting points there, nothing at all points to a conspiracy! The official explanation MAKES SENSE both from a scientific and common sense point of view. It takes EXTREME inconsistancies and questions for any reasonable person to even consider a conspiracy theory, and frankly there's next to nothing here.

 

...the men and women on the frontlines -- the same ones routinely getting screwed by the government they work to protect.

That is such an incredible insult to our armed forces... and you can go to hell for accusing our government of exploiting them. It's a volunteer service, remember, and it offers people a great future and career path. I personally know people who signed up even post-Iraq war, and they have no regrets serving their country, and they DON'T think they're being exploited! There's a reason why people sign up, so stop sitting back there up in Canada, smiling smugly at how much smarter you are than them :roll:

[apparitionnz 0]

No, that is NOT true. Give me some EVIDENCE to back up your idiotic conspiracy theories and I'll consider it, but for now my LOYALTY lies with the US! What the hell is wrong with you? In Canada are you really that backward? My country was suckerpunched, and we are now dealing with those responsible while mourning our own losses. My first inclination is NOT to BLAME them!!

 

Do you, can you distinguish between your country and government? Thinking your government is a bunch of w@nkers is not the same as hating your country.

[AnestheticXI 0]

That is such an incredible insult to our armed forces... and you can go to hell for accusing our government of exploiting them. It's a volunteer service, remember, and it offers people a great future and career path. I personally know people who signed up even post-Iraq war, and they have no regrets serving their country, and they DON'T think they're being exploited!

 

Wait...Wait! So Bush trying to get the Draft back into commission? That was a good thing? If signing up for teh army offer the SURVIVORS a great future and career path, the Draft would be a great thing. Right? And that "Post-Iraq War" ... The hell have you been? It may not have the TITLE of War, but we are deffinatly still fighting a war over there. It may have never been declared, but it is very real.

[Guest MadBadger]

It's a volunteer service

 

ummmm.... no.

 

All the foot soldiers have no choice but to join the army since most factory jobs went east

 

PVT. England, remember her? She was failed by the US education system and had no qualifications which is why the only option for her was a job in the army.

[BWare 0]

Wait...Wait! So Bush trying to get the Draft back into commission? That was a good thing?

That never happened. Even if it did, do you see anybody getting drafted? No, I didn't think so. The US military remains completely volunteer.

 

If signing up for teh army offer the SURVIVORS a great future and career path, the Draft would be a great thing. Right?

Did... I ever say that? :roll:

 

And that "Post-Iraq War" ... The hell have you been? It may not have the TITLE of War, but we are deffinatly still fighting a war over there. It may have never been declared, but it is very real.

Thanks for missing the point. I clearly meant SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE IRAQ WAR. You know... after it began. That was the point, and it was very easy to infer from what I wrote.

 

ummmm.... no.

ummmm.... yes :roll:

Hey Badger! Guess what?? In order to join the military, YOU need to sign up! YOU need to walk in, YOU need to sign the papers, YOU need to get qualified medically, and YOU need to go willingly! It's called being a volunteer. It's how the military works in America. Isn't that crazy?? I'm surprized nobody mentioned that you that before!!! :roll:

 

All the foot soldiers have no choice but to join the army since most factory jobs went east

"All the foot soldiers," huh? You can speak for all of them? Boy, it is sad that in ALL OF AMERICA there's not a single other thing they can do. Boy that's crazy. In fact it's so crazy that I don't really think I believe it. In fact, it's SO crazy that I think you're a fool for believing it! How about that?

Every soldier I know personally (many being the "foot soldiers" you mentioned) joined up and went willingly. Many even gave up a lot in order to go. In fact, there is an amazing story of an NFL football player who gave up a multi million dollar contract to go BE a "foot soldier." He was killed in action. Geez... for you to belittle our volunteer servicemen is just amazing to me.

 

PVT. England, remember her? She was failed by the US education system and had no qualifications which is why the only option for her was a job in the army.

She was failed BY the US education system? How about, SHE failed the US education system, huh? Bottom line, SHE volunteered and knew the risks in doing so.

 

All this to say, Badger, that yes, we do have a volunteer service. It's a fact. Arguing it is just a waste of time :roll:

[apparitionnz 0]

All this to say, Badger, that yes, we do have a volunteer service. It's a fact. Arguing it is just a waste of time

 

There's nothing voluntary about recall and what about the cannon fodder fighting for a green card?

[Guest MadBadger]

Bware i can't belive you don't see what im getting at. Most of them have no choice. Just cos they do Volunteer don't mean they want to. THEY HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE. its either join up or go on benifits. Yer sure some NFL football player joined up and died...... but I'm guessing a hell of alot he did't expect to die and was doing it so that when he finished his tour he could go back to the NFL having done something.

[RKCoon 0]

I would say that, because HE is in college, he thinks anyone can swing college. sorry, but no. tell me soemthing bware, are you actually holding down a job WHILE in college, or is someone supporting you? just blatantly curious.

[BWare 0]

I would say that, because HE is in college, he thinks anyone can swing college. sorry, but no. tell me soemthing bware, are you actually holding down a job WHILE in college, or is someone supporting you? just blatantly curious.

Shut the hell up rk. I actually am holding down TWO jobs, and I have a full ride to the University of Central Florida, working on a degree in microbiology, all the while getting about 2 hours of sleep a night. What are you up to? :roll: How is this even relevant? Man, I am REALLY sick of you and your bitterness.

 

Anyway, more to the freaking point, why is it in your eyes that the ONLY TWO OPTIONS out there are to go to college or join the army. Hm? Are you that small-minded that you can't see ANY other options? Besides, it's possible to do just about anything in America if you're willing to do what's necessary. There are TONS of success stories of people who have had huge success outside of college or the military. Hell, I know of people personally who come from extreme poverty and who are putting themselves through college through some VERY hard work. They don't bitch about how unprivilleged they are- they get to work. That's the difference in life between winners and losers. Joining the military should NEVER be a last resort, and to assume that our military is nothing but a bunch of losers who just failed at everything else is a GRAVE insult.

 

I already cited one specific and dramatic example that shatters your insulting and disrespectful view of the military. You've just got your hateful stereotype. Let's see you back it up. Either that, or you could consider giving our military its due respect.

[apparitionnz 0]

Anyway, more to the freaking point, why is it in your eyes that the ONLY TWO OPTIONS out there are to go to college or join the army. Hm? Are you that small-minded that you can't see ANY other options? Besides, it's possible to do just about anything in America if you're willing to do what's necessary. There are TONS of success stories of people who have had huge success outside of college or the military. Hell, I know of people personally who come from extreme poverty and who are putting themselves through college through some VERY hard work. They don't bitch about how unprivilleged they are- they get to work. That's the difference in life between winners and losers. Joining the military should NEVER be a last resort, and to assume that our military is nothing but a bunch of losers who just failed at everything else is a GRAVE insult.

 

Ah a blinkered libertarian...

 

This can only get uglier

[Guest MadBadger]

sooo endless pages of released 'gore' photos of dead bodies from iraq isnt the work of 'a bunch of losers who just failed at everything else' this is Collage educated american kids who take these photos and 'sell' them for porn? you telling me that the POWs striped and forced into poses and photorgaphed after being beaten, pissed on and generaly abused was done by upstanding american citizens fighting for there people? God help us all.

 

Come on Bware even you can't deny that there are a hell of alot of 'losers who just failed at everything else' out there. These people shouldn't be out there most of them are RESERVISTS they should be helping out after floods not blowing 7 shades of poop out a country most of them couldn't locate on a map!

 

If the US goverment hadn't failed these people by giving them crappy schooling and alowing all the jobs in manufacture to go to the far east then we wouldnt be having this discusion.

[BWare 0]

Madbadger, you stupid, ungrateful fool. I'm sorry, but this is just beyond acceptable. How can you sit there and attack our military like that while resting under the very blanket of freedom that they provide?? Oh yes- CLEARLY the actions of a few idiots who sell pictures or a few who *gasp* embarrass some imprisoned terrorists are representative of the majority. I just can't believe that you can sit there and insult the intelligence and integrity of these brave people who every day put themselves directly in harm's way in order to keep their fellow Americans- including ungrateful spoiled brats like you- free. Your ungratefulness and senseless insulting here is just unbelievable to me.

[apparitionnz 0]

CLEARLY the actions of a few idiots who sell pictures or a few who *gasp* embarrass some imprisoned terrorists are representative of the majority.

 

Terrorists my arse. Most were guilty of nothing and released. The one who is sueing is a town mayor.

 

Capture and torture some US civilians (yes torture, there were dogs and electric shock involved) and call them terrorists and well soon see all the neocons crying foul or maybe just crying.

[BWare 0]

Terrorists my arse. Most were guilty of nothing and released. The one who is sueing is a town mayor.

False! These weren't just people pulled over for a parking ticket. Where the hell do you get your info anyway? :roll:

 

Capture and torture some US civilians (yes torture, there were dogs and electric shock involved) and call them terrorists and well soon see all the neocons crying foul or maybe just crying.

Again with the word "neocon." How many times do I have to explain to you people that a neocon is hardly a conservative at all? A neocon is a socialist who doesn't mind going to war! Get your definitions straight. I know you just LOVE using a word that sounds like "neo-nazi" to you, but come on. You're embarrassing yourself :roll:

 

Oh, and our people HAVE been captured and tortured... beheaded if I'm not mistaken. Yes... I can definitely see the comparison between underwear on someone's head and someone getting their head sawed OFF with a dull blade.

 

Also, can you really compare a couple out of control soldiers using dogs to scare these people or even shocking them to the systematic torture and unspeakable horrors COMMITTED by the people imprisoned there? (ie Saddam's regime). The soldiers responsible have been punished and court marshalled. This is not a function of US foreign policy. It's something that can happen to ANY country with people who can take things too far. It takes people like YOU to blow it out of proportion and, again, make a silly and frankly immature moral equivalency between our military and the people we're fighting.

[apparitionnz 0]

Terrorists my arse. Most were guilty of nothing and released. The one who is sueing is a town mayor.

False! These weren't just people pulled over for a parking ticket. Where the hell do you get your info anyway? :roll:

 

Pretty much all print and televised media. The town mayor and electrocution that I noticed you chose to ignore bit was syndicated on local TV through CBS.

 

Capture and torture some US civilians (yes torture, there were dogs and electric shock involved) and call them terrorists and well soon see all the neocons crying foul or maybe just crying.

Again with the word "neocon." How many times do I have to explain to you people that a neocon is hardly a conservative at all? A neocon is a socialist who doesn't mind going to war! Get your definitions straight. I know you just LOVE using a word that sounds like "neo-nazi" to you, but come on. You're embarrassing yourself :roll:

 

If your ego were capable you'd be embarrasing yourself. I never defined NEOCON anywhere in my post. Perhaps you should lay off the hallucinogens.

 

Oh, and our people HAVE been captured and tortured... beheaded if I'm not mistaken. Yes... I can definitely see the comparison between underwear on someone's head and someone getting their head sawed OFF with a dull blade.

 

A dull blade? where do you get your information, considering NONE have been televised. And what's with the underwear on head bullsh1t. Does it suit your world view to ignore the second round of photos? People died and were set upon by dogs etc. That doesn't make the occupiers any better than who they're supposedly fighting.

 

Also, can you really compare a couple out of control soldiers using dogs to scare these people or even shocking them to the systematic torture and unspeakable horrors COMMITTED by the people imprisoned there? (ie Saddam's regime).

 

Not bright are you? Sadams regime were not there. That aside you have no evidence that most of those people were quilty of anything. Neither did those holding them.

 

The soldiers responsible have been punished and court marshalled.

 

No they have not. One has and others have been suspended. Just like the pilots who bombed canadians on manouvers in afghanistan - nothing. The tank crew that ran over a girl in south korea - nothing

 

This is not a function of US foreign policy.

 

I never said it was but protecting criminals in war is.

 

It's something that can happen to ANY country with people who can take things too far. It takes people like YOU to blow it out of proportion and, again, make a silly and frankly immature moral equivalency between our military and the people we're fighting.

 

I would tackle this too but you're looking silly enough. :roll:

[RKCoon 0]

Shut the hell up rk. I actually am holding down TWO jobs, and I have a full ride to the University of Central Florida, working on a degree in microbiology, all the while getting about 2 hours of sleep a night. What are you up to? How is this even relevant? Man, I am REALLY sick of you and your bitterness.

 

Wow. so much for "never telling anyone to STFU" or simmilar. My point was idle curiousity --- you reek more and more of a rich boy gettin the easy life. i RARELY (tho i do know of exceptions) see democrats, left wingers, or hell, ANYone that has "worked up thru the ranks" with the kind of really lousy attitude you got. You dont like it when people question you? grow up, really.

 

Anyway, more to the freaking point, why is it in your eyes that the ONLY TWO OPTIONS out there are to go to college or join the army. Hm? Are you that small-minded that you can't see ANY other options? Besides, it's possible to do just about anything in America if you're willing to do what's necessary. There are TONS of success stories of people who have had huge success outside of college or the military. Hell, I know of people personally who come from extreme poverty and who are putting themselves through college through some VERY hard work. They don't bitch about how unprivilleged they are- they get to work. That's the difference in life between winners and losers. Joining the military should NEVER be a last resort, and to assume that our military is nothing but a bunch of losers who just failed at everything else is a GRAVE insult.

 

 

And where the hell did i say that? i DO hope you mean someone else here, cause i never said ANY of that crap. Ive said repeatedly, those that choose to to put thier lives on the line for thier country, regardless of reason, deserve the highest respect -- far more than you and me both, kid. However, i CAN see where people DO veiw it as "a last resort" because often, IT IS. there are plenty out there, both in and out of the military, who feel it as such, due to economic or other constraints where they are. usually, they are in heavily depressed local economies, they and thier families are broke, and theres NO work out there for anyone. so what else can they do? again, this is NOT the militarys fault by any means -- but the assmunches in political power screwing with the country. Further , i AM aware, at least somewhat, of how the government in the US is weeding down on support to get into college or uni's -- withOUT joining some form of military. Is it that hard for you to accept thatthere are people out there that feel they can do themselves -- and thier country -- far better than putting on a uniform?

 

Finally, you didnt shatter slag. you made a flagrant vocal attack, in the rather lame hope of drawing off some heat off yourself.

 

Care to try again? :D

 

 

Oh, and Apparitionnz -- -Welcome aboard the "right wing flogging traing" -- AKA Revealing the truth.

[apparitionnz 0]

Thank you RKCoon.

 

It always seems the level heads in various bords tend to be Canadian. Judging by the canadians I've met, they keep most of the bright ones at home

[Guest MadBadger]

Madbadger, you stupid, ungrateful fool. I'm sorry, but this is just beyond acceptable. How can you sit there and attack our military like that while resting under the very blanket of freedom that they provide?? Oh yes- CLEARLY the actions of a few idiots who sell pictures or a few who *gasp* embarrass some imprisoned terrorists are representative of the majority. I just can't believe that you can sit there and insult the intelligence and integrity of these brave people who every day put themselves directly in harm's way in order to keep their fellow Americans- including ungrateful spoiled brats like you- free. Your ungratefulness and senseless insulting here is just unbelievable to me.

 

ai ai ai.....

 

oh well here goes....

 

 

 

 

actions of a few idiots who sell pictures

 

umm... no.... only a few have been caught but theres a thriving busness for this, Photos are still being sold so there must be more than a 'few' .

 

imprisoned terrorists

errrr no acctualy.... most of the fellas who were abused were no more than looters.

 

 

blanket of freedom

 

ummm..... well.... blanket of freedom.... so why did 7/7 occur if were so free? 7/7 has taken a great many peoples freedom. A lot of people arounf london and in it are scared to use the underground in fear of another attack...... thats not really having freedom is it? 7/7 proberbly wouldn't have occured if we haden't put in with you and joined up for DSII.

 

 

 

intelligence and integrity

thats a joke right? I've already said that alot of the soldiers were failed by the US education system so they wont be highly inteligent..... also would 'gore' pics and abuse be carried out if there was integrity?

 

 

 

every day put themselves directly in harm's way in order to keep their fellow Americans- including ungrateful spoiled brats like you- free.

 

errrr... i really don't want them doing this for me.... i don't belive they should still be in the country or gone in in the first place.

 

ungratefulness

 

Im supost to be grateful cos there over there doing something i don't belive they should be doing?

 

 

someone getting their head sawed OFF with a dull blade.

 

Acctualy the blade in question is normaly a religious blade and is very sharp.... But then im not agreeing with them cutting heads off like this...

 

The contractors who are taken are taken because its slighlty harder to kidnap PVT. Nobody than some fella driving along without an armoured brigade.

 

 

spoiled brats like you

 

Ok this really pissed me off.

 

There is NO F'IN WAY you can Possibly call me a spoilt brat. That comment sickened me and no matter what you think even you must get your fact straight before saying something like that. WHEN in hell have i shown in and way or form that i am a spoilt brat? next year when i go uni im geting NO SUPPORT from my parents i will have to work myself through uni on my own. for the past 2 months i have had NO CASH what so ever. I only have cash now as i took up a short cash in hand cover for my mate at his work waiting tables to people who are spoilt brats.

 

 

including ungrateful spoiled brats like you- free

 

okay same line again but im refering to the FREE part.

 

since when wasn't i free? if anything i've had freedoms taken away from me. The goverment is pushing ID card through your goverment is forcing biometric passports and there just 2 examples.

 

If you also mean the Iraqie people.... well what about the Zimbabweans under Mugabe? One of my best mates is Zimbabwean and i know he things himself lucky that he managed to get into this country. Zimbabwai is in a hell of a lot worse position that Iraq ever was.

 

What about north korea? or various parts of indonesia? Iraq was a freedom compaired to these places.

 

then again the other places don't have oil

[apparitionnz 0]

ummm..... well.... blanket of freedom.... so why did 7/7 occur if were so free? 7/7 has taken a great many peoples freedom. A lot of people arounf london and in it are scared to use the underground in fear of another attack...... thats not really having freedom is it? 7/7 proberbly wouldn't have occured if we haden't put in with you and joined up for DSII.

 

You're probably more right since the report I saw said the investigators concluded there was no link between the London bombers and al qaeda. Logic holds that that this has a more recent cause and not from the orders of bush and blairs bad guys

[Doctor Destiny 41]

Oh, and Apparitionnz -- -Welcome aboard the "right wing flogging traing" -- AKA Revealing the truth.

If anyone needs to be flogged, it would be you two retards. You two are an utter embarassment to the left. With you, it's more like: Welcome aboard the "use circular logic, defy intelligent reason and piss everyone off" train - AKA not knowing when to shut your ****ing cakeholes.

 

I ought to close this but because you two, and MadBadger, are doing such a smashing job defending your own bull****! Not to mention, I want BWare to have another go at you as well, then I can throw in my 2 cents, because, quite frankly, I am getting a little sick and ****ing tired of you "great" left-wing cocksuckers constantly attacking me, my country and espiecally my military.