Holy Freaking Christ

[Doctor Destiny 41]

Why is he in office?

[Luk3us 63]

:haha:

 

rofl...

 

Well the people voted him in, so he is simply a reflection of the people.... As dumb as they may be...

[BWare 0]

First of all, nice thread title. Not offensive in any way.

 

Second of all, who hasn't seen that clip? The man has one bad day where he stumbles for an answer, and this proves what? It is a funny clip, but for some idiots out there to makes such general judgements on it is just bizarre. Let's look at the numbers of what his administration has accomplished- I'd say those are far more relevant than this choppy answer to a strange, esoteric question.

[gammyleg 0]

Disclaimer: Im neutral on Bush and the war. Both have pros and cons.

 

Sorry BWare but

1)I hadnt seen that clip before. Seen many similar to it though. Which leads to...

2) Its not just 'one bad day'. The man is terrible at public speaking.

 

Does that make him a bad leader? No, but one has to wonder what kind of problems have been created from his inability to communicate.

 

I just noticed where you live BWare. Ha, Im sure that Michael Moore wouldnt believe that anyone in Florida is a Bush supporter - god hes bloody conspiracy theorist.

[BWare 0]

Sorry BWare but

1)I hadnt seen that clip before. Seen many similar to it though.

Yeah, I've seen it several times- it's a very popular one :wink:

 

2) Its not just 'one bad day'. The man is terrible at public speaking.

Oh no question there. The question though is how important that really is...

 

Does that make him a bad leader? No, but one has to wonder what kind of problems have been created from his inability to communicate.

Name one. I don't mean to be confrontational, but an occasional slip up like that to a reporter who's TRYING to nail him isn't exactly the end of the world.

[Sonic 296]

If I want to laugh to at Bush I just watch Letterman. I hate politicians no matter what country they are in. I have no interest in what they have to say.

[BWare 0]

If I want to laugh to at Bush I just watch Letterman. I hate politicians no matter what country they are in. I have no interest in what they have to say.

That's good, because more often than not they're not really saying anything :lol:

[Guest MadBadger]

 

Okay i will admit that there are people who go to these things with ****e hard Qs just to get him to cock up.....

 

 

And somink else..... you really left this open....

 

Let's look at the numbers of what his administration has accomplished

 

Name 3.

 

 

Enter Pro/Anti Bush debate...... been a week or 2.... :lol:

[TheBlackOut 7]

I could easily name 3 but I'll let Bware since he'll give you more detail and a hell of a fight.

 

Yes, EVERYONE IN AMERICA knows he is a horrid speaker, but thats a reason to hate him for some people... Like the people at my school. (Just got into a big arguement with this Northern girl at school about Bush, pfft... Though she's hot so I kind of let her think her reasons were true. )

[BWare 0]

Okay i will admit that there are people who go to these things with ****e hard Qs just to get him to c*** up.....

ohhhh yeah. Those reporters are ridiculous. How would you like to be on the spot like that, knowing that you have to give an intelligent, educated answer on the spot to any insane question those people throw at you, and knowing that when they DO catch you off guard, you end up looking like a fool on the internet for all your idiot enemies out there. Come on, you have to give the man a break. That would SUCK.

 

Name 3.

Three? Okay, whatever. I'll focus ONLY on the economy. There's just too much good stuff out there:

1) 5.1 Million Jobs Created Since August 2003.

2) Current economic growth rate? Oh yeah, 5 percent, a record number (stats released just today)

3) Unemployment rate? 4.7%... which, for those out there who are unaware, is a FREAKISHLY good rate. Hell, FIVE percent is considered "full employment." According to that stat, everyone in America who wants a job has one.

 

What a great time to be in America, huh?

 

Oh, and how about ZERO terrorist attacks since 9/11? (which happened only 9 months after Bush inherited the office from Clinton, remember)

 

NB: You will not see these positive stats, despite their relevance and importance, on any major news networks. Why? Because they hate Bush, and no good news with them will EVER see the light of day.

 

 

 

Now... to see if any Bush haters here respond with actual stats and some logic (I don't ask for much) or just opt to respond with more of the same "omg but bush is teh stoopid lolz!!!11!! Luk at him mispronounce words!!1 LOLZ!!!11!!" :roll:

[Alphabear 11]

There wernt many terrorist attaks on america prior to that time either. And where there were they didnt acomplish their mission anyway.

 

It may be a good time to be in america but to be an American outside of the USA at this time wouldnt be very good. Thats why so many americans when they go overseas pretend to be canadians unless you talk to them.

[Guest MadBadger]

me rip you to shreads when me had sleep and after me have big night out with lots of drinking..... so maybe late sunday....

[BWare 0]

There wernt many terrorist attaks on america prior to that time either. And where there were they didnt acomplish their mission anyway.

Weren't many? What is your implication here exactly? It was the SECOND attack on the WTC that destroyed it, remember. The relevant point here (not your argumentative one) is that there have pretty much always been people out there that want us dead. They succeeded in slaughtering thousands of innocent Americans on 9/11. But in the five years since, even as two wars started, and despite the "growing anti-American sentiment" that some folks are all too eager to point out (:roll:), we have not been hit again. Call it luck if you must (or are stupid enough to think so), but obviously Bush is doing SOMETHING right there.

 

It may be a good time to be in america but to be an American outside of the USA at this time wouldnt be very good.

My sister just got back from a trip to France, where she was greeted by friendly, pro-American folks who were eager to impress her with their English speaking skills. I don't know what you're basing this (false) assertion on, but I'm thinking it's probably from that cute stereotype of Americans cowering in shame of being associated with their country... you know, traitorous cowards. Anti-American sentiment is NOT NEARLY as much of a problem as anti-American PEOPLE would like you to believe.

 

Thats why so many americans when they go overseas pretend to be canadians unless you talk to them.

Again, this is completely a false stereotype. It's never a good idea to root your thinking in stereotypes :wink:

 

 

 

me rip you to shreads when me had sleep and after me have big night out with lots of drinking..... so maybe late sunday....

Funny, I was just out taking 3 three hour exams.... you know, developing brain cells instead of destroying them. I look forward to your brilliant, half-drunk, hung over response. I'm sure it will put me in my place :wink:

[Alphabear 11]

It was the SECOND attack on the WTC that destroyed it, remember.

Yes i know that. It was 1993 i think. But saying bush has done well as there h not been annother attack after so few years is getting a bit ahead of yourself. They could have said the same thing after the first attack as it was not attacked again for a number of years.

 

And i also did say that the terrorist attack prior to this didnt succeed in their mission anyway. They underestimated the strength of the tower in the first attack.

 

 

Also i wasnt basing anything on a sterotype. I did say most and im going by what I have seen not some sterotype.

[BWare 0]

Yes i know that. It was 1993 i think. But saying bush has done well as there h not been annother attack after so few years is getting a bit ahead of yourself.

After "so few years?" Are you serious? It's been HALF A DECADE without a SINGLE attack from Al Quaeda as we're meanwhile systematically wiping them out overseas. I don't know what the hell you'd consider a success, but that sure counts in my book.

 

Also i wasnt basing anything on a sterotype. I did say most and im going by what I have seen not some sterotype.

Well WHAT have you seen? Surely you can admit that what you've personally seen is probably pretty insignificant... and just because you've seen a couple traitorous coward Americans pretending to be Canadians doesn't mean it's necessary or that it's even normal. Maybe they've ALSO bought into the false stereotype! What you've seen is a very, very small cross section of what's ACTUALLY going on.

[Alphabear 11]

Yes i agree it looks good but it was 8 years in between the last major terrorist attacks by them in the US. There have been a number of attempted terrorist attacks that have failed sure but these have been more inexperienced cells. So yes counter terrorism is working good but there not stupid enough to launch a major terrorist attack against the same target so soon

[BWare 0]

So would you call that a successful policy in action? That's the question here.

[Alphabear 11]

Its hard to say at this stage, its too early. It is working ok but how well will it work against a well planned attack? Thats the question that hasnt been answerd and a very hard one to answer.

 

And whats to say its working better than before? just because there have been no attack for 5 years does not mean much. There were no attacks for 8 years beforehand.

 

Can you see what im trying to get at? Its to early at this stage to claim it to be working better than beforehand. Another few years and sure you could claim it as a success

[BWare 0]

I see what you mean, but you're very wrong in assuming that the world is the same now as it was 8 years ago. NOW is the time for them to cut their losses and do what they can before we blow them out of the water. The world has changed dude. We are CURRENTLY at war. Back then they were just waiting to strike as the lazy Clinton administration sat idly by, playing politics and saving face. NOW is the time when we should be expecting more attacks... but they haven't come. Draw what conclusions you will.

[Alphabear 11]

Yes but Al Qaeda are in hiding at them moment. They are calling for other terrorist fations to attack the US but the main branch arnt going to risk revealing themselves while the US is out there looking for them. Their style of terrorism is based of the guerrilla tactics tought to them by US special forces when they were fighting the soviets. They attack soft targets when it is least expected. They dont risk taking on the US when they are at a state of alert. They're calling on lesser cells and terrorist organisations to continue attacking

[BWare 0]

And meanwhile about 90% of their leadership is dead or in custody, and their cells are being systematically hunted down and destroyed in the states. There's no question that they are still a threat (and likely will continue to be), but still... with them on the loose and probably desperate, and yes, with all the other terrorist groups kicking into high gear, during a war against them, we haven't seen even a hint of an attack in 5 years. I don't care what you say dude- that's pretty remarkable :wink:

[Guest MadBadger]

Im sorry this really needs to be said about now...

 

You think Al Qaeda are less of a threat as 90% of there leadership is dead? 2 things about that #1 90% bull****! Al Qaeda is made up of cells you have no damn idear how much damage you have done to them. #2 you also mentioned were at 'war'...... you know that most leaders etc gain leadership rolls due to how they perform during a war. Al Qaeda was full of 'pussy' terrorists all the leaders although not all 'pussy' were not the battle hardened leaders that will emerge after skirmishes with the US millitary. What better training than live fire exersises with the best armys in the world? they are learning how to strike at our soldiers, build/deploy roadside bombs all while reducing there casultys.

 

Face it, in the last 6 months fewer 'terrorists' have been captured while attacks on our troops by roadside bombs/mortars occur almost every day. The people carrying out these attacks arn't not going to learn and WILL lead to better terrorists..... well better in the way that they will be able to strike, kill 10+ soldiers and vanish without any casualtys....... Sounds like Vietnam all over again to me.

 

Iraq & Afganistan are not going to ever be 'won' if we are fighting a force that apears and vanishes before we can retaliate. we are just getting more and more bogged down in a pointless conflict.

[BWare 0]

So Badger, are you going to be a little bitch and whine about how it's impossible to win, or do you actually have anything productive to say? If you're that much of a loser that you can't even imagine a victory, then I thank GOD that we don't have people like you making the big decisions. We're currently at war, and all you can see is defeat as we're batting back the forces of terrorism? The battle is already lost in your mind? Pathetic.

 

The fact is that Al Quaeda, as an operational terrorist organization, is now CRIPPLED. It's true that I can't say with certainty that there aren't a lot more cells operating, but YOU can't assume that there ARE either! I'm not claiming victory here. I'm saying that we've made a hell of a lot of progress. I'm sick of losers like you spewing their pessimism and IDIOTIC Vietnam comparisons. If you want me to do a rant about how incredibly absurd that comparison is, I will, but now, for the sake of brevity, just know that the two conflicts are in NO WAY similar.

 

 

 

Ugh. I'm sorry, but I just watched the movie United 93... a VERY powerful movie that really puts things in perspective and reminds us of the harsh reality of the conflict we're currently engaged in. It leaves liitle room for the pathetic whining of people who seem so obsessed with the idea of defeat against these monsters.

[Guest MadBadger]

wooahh someone gota little touchy....

 

and again..... due to Bware just being so..... hrmm.... Dense & shallow minded? Im gona pull out else it just becomes a flame war.

[BWare 0]

Badger, quit being such an obnoxious little coward. "Dense and shallow minded?" How in the HELL am I being like that? That is just pathetic, you know that? You make a final little jab and run away with your tail between your legs when someone actually confronts you. :roll:

 

I'm going to ask you to be a man and defend that jab at me. As I've already admitted, yes people like you who constantly whine about the war being unwinnable (in between getting high and binge drinking :roll:) make me very angry. Besides my anger, how the hell was I being "dense" or "shallow minded?" Also, what does "shallow minded" even mean?? It's really just one of your unthinking knee-jerk insults, huh? :roll: