AMD and ATI Join Forces

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Take the palm pilot for example. Developed in the early-mid 80's by Apple Computer, and marketed in the late 80's and early 90's, they never really caught on until the early 2000's.

[Masenka 0]

The end of Gpu´s will never be seen.

Clearly you have no long-term understanding of how technology changes and develops. Considering how fast and dynamic the industry has become, and so EARLY in its life (technologically speaking), only a moron would say anything with 100 percent certainty about the future of a certain tech.

 

trust me on that

WHY? :lol:

 

Why?

haven´t you read my post at all?

and technology might go faster and faster, but soundchips as the x-fi allready packs more punch then most state of the art cpu´s.

as do gpu´s.

calculations in some hospital´s and sciencelabs has allready been done with an x-fi chip. how do I know this, because I´m active within the computing technology business, as well as playing Command and Conquer.

I wouldn´t post crap. maybe the name of the gpu will change or it might add physics within it´s chip (which is now ppu from ageia).

but cpu and or other tasks will be seperated just because it would cause massive delay´s and rerouting within the lanes of the chip. maybe the´ll find a solution, but then again, you wouldn´t have such a broad spectrum of options, which is what the consumer wants. it would dramaticly slow down sales, as the chips would become more expensive to buy, and consumers wouldn´t want to buy new tech every single year.

can you imagine one single chip costing over 1600 euro´s, and then the next year you would like better accelerated graphics, you would have to lay down another 1600 euro´s just because you would have to buy it in one single chip.

 

maybe it´ll all change but not in our lifetime.

Chaos computing is interesting, and would be cheaper, once properly applied. but that has still such and such a long way to go.

[BWare 0]

Why?

haven´t you read my post at all?

Clearly you didn't read mine. My massive "why" was directed at your claim that we should "trust you on that."

 

how do I know this, because I´m active within the computing technology business, as well as playing Command and Conquer.

Way to play a video game. I'm sorry, but this just doesn't make you a computer trend expert.... (also, poor grammar doesn't really help your case too much :wink:)

 

but cpu and or other tasks will be seperated just because it would cause massive delay´s and rerouting within the lanes of the chip. maybe the´ll find a solution, but then again, you wouldn´t have such a broad spectrum of options, which is what the consumer wants.

Simplicity is also a laudable goal. Also, we've already DISCUSSED the solution to the "massive delays and rerouting within the lanes of the chip." It's called MULTIPLE CORES. We've just recently embraced this technology, and already the quad core is on the horizon. With more advances like this, we won't NEED a gpu to handle the graphics load. The obscenely powerful CPU will just share a few cores.

 

maybe it´ll all change but not in our lifetime.

How on EARTH can you claim this with a straight face??

Just look at how fast technology is advancing. Ten years ago, Nintendo was state of the art. Now go look at games like HL2, Doom 3, and these new console monsters, and tell me ANYTHING definite about the future of technology. Holy cow :roll:

[Masenka 0]

You´re right about quad cores and all,

and I´m not in the programming business at all, I didn´t say that, now did I. I´m working with hardware, silicon´s.

anyhow, I know the trend with hardware, it´s my job to know.

I´ve got my nowhow´s friend

anyhow, it would still be amazing if it would all be stuffed into a few cores into one processing unit.

if one part fails, your pc fails.

this is my truth, and you have yours.

you´re hoping for more and fast, and I´ve got another look on the matter, let´s leave it at that okay?

 

I´m still optimistic about what is going to happen in the next couple of years, I know 1 gpu will have about the same power of 4 now, in about 5 years.

that´s the short term anyway.

[Masenka 0]

Planning to upgrade for C&C3, what hardware will be inside your next PC? In a merger of the acronyms, CPU giant AMD and graphics card maker ATI are set to join forces in one of the biggest hardware manufacturer deals ever made. In terms of worldwide sales, both companies are currently second in their respective primary fields behind leaders Intel and NVIDIA, but have been steadily closing the gap over recent years. Effects of the deal are not expected to be seen until 2007, but the ongoing hardware battle will be very interesting to follow over the next few years.

 

also this is not accurate maybe for NZ, but in Europe and other parts of the world Ati is running in 60% of the machines nowadays.

and Intel is losing marketing share by the second, now that Core2 is out, they might get a bit stronger, but Amd is allready looking at new ways to slash core2

[BWare 0]

this is my truth, and you have yours.

You're kidding, right? :roll:

 

Don't pull that relativist nonsense with me, please. There is ONE truth.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Planning to upgrade for C&C3, what hardware will be inside your next PC? In a merger of the acronyms, CPU giant AMD and graphics card maker ATI are set to join forces in one of the biggest hardware manufacturer deals ever made. In terms of worldwide sales, both companies are currently second in their respective primary fields behind leaders Intel and NVIDIA, but have been steadily closing the gap over recent years. Effects of the deal are not expected to be seen until 2007, but the ongoing hardware battle will be very interesting to follow over the next few years.

 

also this is not accurate maybe for NZ, but in Europe and other parts of the world Ati is running in 60% of the machines nowadays.

and Intel is losing marketing share by the second, now that Core2 is out, they might get a bit stronger, but Amd is allready looking at new ways to slash core2

 

by slash you mean copy then best, right? Intel is making some pretty good sales out in the midwestern US with their core processors. I'm not entirely sure of the market percentages, but I wouldnt say that Intel is going down the drain anytime soon.

[Masenka 0]

@ Bware.

We both don´t know the truth right, you haven´t got the faintest idea how the pc business is going to be in like 30 years, nor have I.

so cut the bull**** about only one truth, you´re obviously blind and you aren´t open for other ideas about the future of computing, it´s your opinion or you´re wrong. that´s no way to communicate, why are you so eager to be right.

 

the only thing I do know is that all chips in one processor isn´t likely to happen soon. not with a 100% certainty but I think it would be a dumb step.

anyhow, how would you see it? a merger of every company around? Amd works with Ati and Creative? and Intel with Nvidia and Terratec? how do you see this?

and what if you wanted a matrox card? you´d have to buy that too? or if you wanted an AudioRealism sound card? how do you see this?

all other companies would see the end of their day. and you wouldn´t have a choice no more, Creative wouldn´t allow it, Nvidia wouldn´t allow it, and so on. losing power, what if the masses favoured intel above Amd, and Ati would die along with Creative, because they were producing products that wouldn´t be sold anyway, because people wouldn´t have the choice no more.

do you think that´s a smart move? I don´t. I really don´t.

sounds true enough doesn´t it? when we´re talking about ONE truth, since you couldn´t have more.

be more open, and now reply with more caution, and an indepth story of how you would see it, makes more sense than just saying no and giving all my words a negative charge. now wouldn´t it. at least I´m backin up my ideas

 

and @ Cygnus X

I don´t mean copy, Amd Architechture is far different from Intel´s. and will stay that way. otherwise it wouldn´t matter what cpu you would be buying. now the obvious choice if you have the money is Intel, but a few months ago the obvious choice would be Amd.

They´ll come up with something interesting

Intel is finally on top again performance, watt usage, and so on wise, only lacking their memorybus, but that doesn´t slow them down.

Amd is preparing a new generation too, which of course has the intention to defeat the new core2 from Intel.

Amd gained marketshare recently by cutting a deal with Dell.

[BWare 0]

We both don´t know the truth right, you haven´t got the faintest idea how the pc business is going to be in like 30 years, nor have I.

You said, point blank, that the GPU will ALWAYS be here. I made no such claim. You're the only one claiming to be completely, totally right here. I'M more open to the idea that the GPU will someday be rendered obsolete by the CPU.

 

so cut the bull**** about only one truth, you´re obviously blind and you aren´t open for other ideas about the future of computing

Dude, shut up. You're the moron claiming that the GPU will ALWAYS be around because of your extensive knowledge of C&C Generals :lol:

I'm simply agreeing that yes, the GPU may become obsolete someday. It was designed to give the CPU a hand. What if the CPU doesn't need the help anymore?

 

the only thing I do know is that all chips in one processor isn´t likely to happen soon. not with a 100% certainty but I think it would be a dumb step.

Right now, yes it would be. But you said that it won't happen "within our lifetimes." That's a very stupid thing to say, that's all. Hell, it could happen within the next ten years! Who knows??

 

and what if you wanted a matrox card? you´d have to buy that too? or if you wanted an AudioRealism sound card? how do you see this?

all other companies would see the end of their day. and you wouldn´t have a choice no more, Creative wouldn´t allow it, Nvidia wouldn´t allow it, and so on. losing power, what if the masses favoured intel above Amd, and Ati would die along with Creative, because they were producing products that wouldn´t be sold anyway, because people wouldn´t have the choice no more.

do you think that´s a smart move? I don´t. I really don´t.

You are looking at this the wrong way. Technology isn't set in stone. On the business end, companies are more often at the mercy of tech trends, not the other way around. They can resist change a little bit, but at the end of the day, the newer, faster, easier trend will win out. If the GPU someday becomes unnecessary, nVidia and ATI won't be able to stand in the way for very long.

 

sounds true enough doesn´t it? when we´re talking about ONE truth, since you couldn´t have more.

There IS one truth and ONE reality. Dude, are you really that stupid? ONE result is going to happen out of this- not TWO different realities based on what we think will happen. Holy cow, cut the hippy nonsense :roll:

There is one truth, one reality. Deal with it.

 

be more open, and now reply with more caution, and an indepth story of how you would see it, makes more sense than just saying no and giving all my words a negative charge. now wouldn´t it. at least I´m backin up my ideas

No you aren't. I believe it was you who asked us to "trust you on it". Is English your second language? I ask this honestly, because I see your ideas losing traction easily and you lashing out at things I really didn't say. Seriously, I'm just wondering.

[Doctor Destiny 41]

Cut it out, BWare and Masenko. This is not argument time so STFU.

[Masenka 0]

English isn´t my native language no, I could explain it better in dutch yes.

maybe then you´d agree with me, as you´re right in some points.

 

and maybe I was a bit quick on the it will never happen, though I do believe that one processor for everyting would never work. just because of the reasons. and man, let´s leave it at that. we both don´t know what´s going to happen. you just want it to happen.

I mean IBM made a processor that runs at 500ghz, well obviously that would outperform a radeon 1900xtx with another card nowadays (but it woul´d render it in voxels, but just as I said there would be less choice left, and for the cpu companies there would be sales drops, because you woulnd´t want to update no more.

 

ow and btw, don´t call me a moron, I wasn´t getting personal either, it isn´t neccesary in a discussion right, why get angry and call me a moron because you disagree with me.

I´m not calling you a dumb fu-ck for your lame ass opinion now am I?

 

ow, and I never played C&C Generals, I saw it and thought it was a ****ing shame for the franchise

[Masenka 0]

ow and beowolf don´t tell me nor Bware when to shut up!

we´re perfectly capable of doing it ourselves

[Cygnus X-1 12]

/ wrong thing to say to a moderator. /

 

and A: If you knew BWare, you'd know that he wont shutup, because he freverently believes in what he believes in, and he wont settle for someone else to just "cope out" and take hte easy road.

 

B: Neither of you would have stopped in the near future, based on the momentum of the argument. Notice how you only stopped after Beowulf, a Moderator, told you to.

 

btw---welcome to CNCNZ

[TheBlackOut 6]

The idea, very basically, is that a single computing processor block will do everything- that it can shift from cpu to gpu to sound processor- whatever is needed- at will by applying a different voltage to each transistor. I think that's basically how it's supposed to work...

 

Doubt it. Why?

 

The car and oil companies pushed down the electric car because it hurt their business.

 

Why would Soundcard, video card, and generally CPU makers not do the same? They wouldn't.

[BWare 0]

and maybe I was a bit quick on the it will never happen, though I do believe that one processor for everyting would never work. just because of the reasons. and man, let´s leave it at that. we both don´t know what´s going to happen. you just want it to happen.

I never said that. I just think there's a very real possibility of it happening. You're the only person here making any absolute claims. Calm down.

 

I´m not calling you a dumb fu-ck for your lame ass opinion now am I?

"Lame ass opinion?" I haven't even given an opinion. All I've done is express openness to a certain possibility! You, sir, are a moron in any language.

 

If you knew BWare, you'd know that he wont shutup, because he freverently believes in what he believes in, and he wont settle for someone else to just "cope out" and take hte easy road.

That, and internet talk is cheap and easy

So yeah, I usually won't back down unless I'm disproven or there's some good reason to do so. I will yield points when I'm wrong- you all know that I'm not completely a stubborn fool . Plus, this is a REALLY stupid thing to be in an argument over anyway. The language barrier doesn't help, and neither does the clod on the other end

 

 

The car and oil companies pushed down the electric car because it hurt their business.

 

Why would Soundcard, video card, and generally CPU makers not do the same? They wouldn't.

They wouldn't be able to. Apples and oranges dude. In the tech business, it's MUCH more fluid and dynamic than the auto industry, which is far bigger and far more monolithic. Hence my point that the tech companies are almost always at the mercy of the trends and not the other way around.

I already made an effort to cover this point here dude, but I think you missed it :wink:

[Doctor Destiny 41]

Grats. You got another blog thread locked.