Theories

[cnc_sage 0]

I started this topic for us to post theories on mysteries on the CnC games, such as : who is Kane, what is tiberium really. In fact I have a few theories of my own.

[cnc_sage 0]

I have a theory on why the Scrin launched the tiberium meteors at Earth:

 

In 1946, Einstein travelled back in time to erase Hitler and succeded. You know what happened next (Red Alert). This and more use of the Chronosphere caused the time quakes. Somewhere in the galaxy the Scrin noticed the time quakes. It is possible that they thought that there is a highly advanced civilisation on Earth (but there isn't) and that the civilisation poses a threat. Instead there are the Allies and Soviets fighting eachother with the Allies using the Chronosphere to gain the upper hand... Back with the Scrin they are more worried when one of their fighters disappears and is detected on Earth. Furthermore, a tear in the fabric of time is opened (inspired from Crimson Dawn) and they think that Earth would send their invasion fleet through it. But the Scrin would fire the first shot and they launch tiberium meteors at Earth through the portal. Then they would sit back and watch the fun as tiberium assimilates Earth.

[BigPoppaBear 0]

WHat confused me was that the GDI General says to you before the last mission: "Kane's built his temple in Sarajevo. If that sounds familiar, its because almost 100 years ago another madman started World War One." So Tiberian Dawn was meant to be set around the time it was released. But Red Alert was set in the 1940s, and Red Alert 2 in the present day. So I don't see anyway they can relate.

[Luk3us 63]

Red Alert is set around the time world war 2 was meant to start. Not world war 1 which is what the quote relates to.

 

Just in case you all didn't know there were two world wars.

[cnc_sage 0]

According to the C&C encyclopedia at Planet CNC Red Alert 2 started in 1971. Check the following link :

 

www.planetcnc.com/features/encyclopedia/redalert2/

 

The Tiberian and Red Alert Series were originally meant to be one series, but EA took over Westwood and you know what happened next.[/url]

[GeneralZ 0]

It should be RA 1, then RA2, then C&C, Reneagde, Tib. sun, and Generals.

 

The red alert series should be before the command and conquer, cause Renegade is the first person shooter part of C&C: they both happen at the same time and Tib Sun is after. In some missions in Renegade, there are posters on the wall about the final allied missions in Moscow in Red Alert 2. Its the harriers preparing to bomb the apocolypses poster, if you saw it

[BigPoppaBear 0]

Red Alert is set around the time world war 2 was meant to start. Not world war 1 which is what the quote relates to.

 

Just in case you all didn't know there were two world wars.

 

Yes, I do have a degree in history thanks. I know there were two wars, but I was saying that TD was meant to be now-ish, and RA2 is now-ish, so the two games can't be related.

[tommy83 0]

According to the C&C encyclopedia at Planet CNC Red Alert 2 started in 1971. Check the following link :

 

www.planetcnc.com/features/encyclopedia/redalert2/

 

The Tiberian and Red Alert Series were originally meant to be one series, but EA took over Westwood and you know what happened next.[/url]

 

Red Alert 2 is not related to the original series. Don't always put the blame on EA.

[cnc_sage 0]

RA2 was made under EA, right? But I bet you heard of Renegade 2. It's units seem to come from RA2 (Apocalyse Tank, Prism Tank, Kirov Airship). It was cancelled. Check out this link : www.cnc-source.com/index.php?page=content/ren2/ren2main

[chickendippers 1]

Yea it was. Renegade 2 was going to be set during RA2.

[Doctor Destiny 41]

Slight misconception there.

 

RA1 is actually set in the 1960s rather than the 1940s. The next part of the series depends on who wins. The Allies win RA1, you move to RA2 with Romanov and finally Yuri. Nod never forms.

 

The Soviets win, Kane and Brotherhood begin forming and eventually wage war in the 1990s. Thus Tiberian Dawn is born. Then Tiberian Sun.

 

Renegade is a stand alone game; it doesn't fit in with the rest of storyline but would fall during the time of Tiberian Dawn.

 

Generals is just, well, Generals. It has no links to any of the other C&Cs that I can find. It's meant to be set in the present time.

[tommy83 0]

RA2 was made under EA, right? But I bet you heard of Renegade 2. It's units seem to come from RA2 (Apocalyse Tank, Prism Tank, Kirov Airship). It was cancelled. Check out this link : www.cnc-source.com/index.php?page=content/ren2/ren2main

 

No. RA 2 is not made under EA. Brett Sperry personally admit that Red Alert 2 storyline is not related to original sequel. So, if you want to blame the EA for making the Generals. Blame westwood first. No offence to westwood supporter but the quality of their game has drop significantly. If they can't do a good job at this, let others do it.

 

http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/...rals/index.html

 

Fenring is right . Renegade never fit into any of the timeline. It is one of the ways Westwood tries to make money out of the game.

[Doctor Destiny 41]

Renegade fits but it's one of the things you never see noted in the initial game. I thought Renegade was well done given the terrible engine.

[Malebranche 0]

How I see the storyline:

-RA, about 1940-1950, Allies won, Nod hides themslves.

-RA2, about 1960-1970, Allies won, Yuri try second attack, fails, Allies won again. Nod didn't acted.

-TD, about 1995-2000, GDI. Renegade action occurs during this war, but there are some differences in the details.

-TS, about 2030, first GDI won, then there's Firestorm, winner hasn't been decided yet,it depends on the next game or doesn't make any difference.

 

I see RA2/YR as a war that happened before the First Tiberium War, but had no relations with it. I say that Allies won because the center of GDI is USA, the leader of the Allied nations.

[BWare 0]

The Allies win RA1, you move to RA2 with Romanov and finally Yuri. Nod never forms.

 

The Soviets win, Kane and Brotherhood begin forming and eventually wage war in the 1990s. Thus Tiberian Dawn is born. Then Tiberian Sun.

That is an excellent point, Fenring. I thought that RA2 just completely diverged, but it does work when you look at it that way.

 

My thoughts on Kane... he has been an omnipresent force throughout history, ever since being born to Adam and Eve and committing the first murder. In Genesis, God essentially cursed anyone who would kill him (Genesis 4:15). The ending of the Soviet campaign in RA1 is apparently pretty amazing*, and is proof of his meddling in politics from behind the scenes. The ending of the Nod Firestorm campaign is a pretty incredible twist as well... really makes you want a sequel!!! Anyway, yeah, Kane is a man, but with supernatural immortality and incredible charisma and political savvy, fine-tuned by thousands of years of experience and practice. The C&C story is when he finally comes out of hiding, his movement fueled by his new Tiberium wealth. The Tiberium is the catalyst. Maybe he even planned it... could he be in league with the Scrin?

 

* my RA1 Soviet disk broke before I could ever complete the campaign. If anyone has the Soviet end movie, I would LOVE a copy!

[Luk3us 63]

-TS, about 2030, winner hasn't been decided yet,it depends on the next game.

 

It doesn't matter who wins. Cause both endings are pretty much the same anyway.

[tommy83 0]

* my RA1 Soviet disk broke before I could ever complete the campaign. If anyone has the Soviet end movie, I would LOVE a copy!

 

Soviet ending kind of cool as Kane collaborates with officer nadia to kill stalin. It turn out that officer nadia is one of the member of NOD and she tell us that the brotherhood of nod will emerges in the 90s.

[tommy83 0]

It doesn't matter who wins. Cause both endings are pretty much the same anyway.

 

Not the same. If NOD wins, the world come to an end and there is no GDI anymore. I think GDI temporary won the fight as kane is once again killed.

[BWare 0]

Are you kidding me? Nod wins, and earth becomes one big ball of Tiberium. GDI wins, and Kane is killed and a Tiberium vaccine is found (doesn't work, but whatever). Maybe you're talking about Firestorm... then yeah, it is pretty much the same. CABAL/Kane vs Nod/GDI vs Scrin! What a game.

[BWare 0]

Soviet ending kind of cool as Kane collaborates with officer nadia to kill stalin. It turn out that officer nadia is one of the member of NOD and she tell us that the brotherhood of nod will emerges in the 90s.

Thanks Tommy... I have GOT to see that video! The Allied ending is pretty lame in comparison... do you have the XCC player? If so, could you send me the .vqa?

[tommy83 0]

I can send it to you but I don't know how.

[BWare 0]

you probably can't send it as a file attachment, right? It's probably too big... what size is the file?

[Luk3us 63]

Are you ALL forgetting Firestorm?

 

The ending is the exact same for BOTH sides. So it doesn't matter who wins.

[Malebranche 0]

Yes, I forgot Firestorm, I don't have it, but then what I said is still possible.

[cnc_sage 0]

Well, in Tiberian Sun the Nod campaign had the same events happening, EXCEPT the last mission where you had to bring the ICBMs into position within 3 hours.

 

PS can I have a description of the final Nod cutscene ?