Angles of Death, The Psychopat Doctors of Nazi

[J-Fire_Man 0]

Interesting isn't it...

 

WWII's main actors are influenced by something beyond human imagination. Hitler is influenced by the greatness of the Aryans which is one of the teaching of the Thule and through Himmler he posses the knowledge of freemansonry and Thule educations. Mussolini.....I don't know much about the society behind him at the moment, but I'm sure he is influenced by an organization which is looks like the Thule. While Hirohito is influnced with the Shinto teaching.

 

Btw, you're running pretty fast Cygnus...

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Got lots to say and ask.

 

Its like all these cults have agreater aim, and part of that is influencing world leaders to be crazy. Wonder when the next "real" war will begin, and what for?

[BWare 0]

How about the West versus radical Islam? Oh wait....

[Mina Synd 0]

personally it kinda upsets me that america and the UK both knew about the camp and the doctor from spy photos... and still did nothing. sure there were reasons why but they didn't even try.

and the whole Burma/pacific conflicts had a lot worse tortures implimented as someone previously said (i should know, a couple were done on me when i was younger. don't ask)

so as you can imagine i'm somewhat Po'd at them... that and the way they treated the chinese when they invaded years before o.o

i saw a documentory where an asian woman had her legs and face stabbed with bayonets something like 17 times each, then before they left they stabbed her once in the belly, killing her 8 month baby : that kinda made me cry and go all patriotic for a while

[BWare 0]

personally it kinda upsets me that america and the UK both knew about the camp and the doctor from spy photos... and still did nothing. sure there were reasons why but they didn't even try.

Mina... they had very little in the way of evidence. Plus, it was a different world. America wasn't the world police at that point like it is now. Even if we did have conclusive proof, what would you expect us to do?

 

and the whole Burma/pacific conflicts had a lot worse tortures implimented as someone previously said (i should know, a couple were done on me when i was younger. don't ask)

so as you can imagine i'm somewhat Po'd at them... that and the way they treated the chinese when they invaded years before o.o

i saw a documentory where an asian woman had her legs and face stabbed with bayonets something like 17 times each, then before they left they stabbed her once in the belly, killing her 8 month baby : that kinda made me cry and go all patriotic for a while

yeah... the Japanese were subhuman at that point. Just absolutely evil... the Germans were evil as well, but they didn't take such pleasure in the pain they caused others. They were driven by a cold, logical social agenda. The Japanese were driven by pure evil. As angry as this may make some of you, they deserved every bit of those two nukes.

[Mina Synd 0]

exactly o.o i agree with all of your points (and i actually have a lot of sympathy for a lot of german soldiers. most of just following orders, only to die for a stupid reason and have their families hurt by russian troops but truth be told the americans could have launched some kind of air raid on the camp. they'd done it before, and they knew the camp was there and what was happening by the bird's eye view camera shots. although there was not much surely they could have at least tried to speed things up that more. not that they didn't... hell the US did damn well in both world wars (that in itself does kinda tick me off lol... british fight the germans for years, exhausting forces on both sides then the yanks sweep in and kill everything )

[BWare 0]

hey, we do what we can :wink:

 

...but you think that we should have launched an air raid on the camps? That would really do very little, except maybe put some of the captives out of their misery. Bombing the hell out of the camps would kill everyone! Remember what kind of bombs they were working with back then! :wink:

 

The best thing that could have been done was done. We declared war, defeated the country, and then cleaned up. Unfortunately there was really no other way "speed up the process." There was also the problem that information about the concentration camps was composed of sketchy surveillance photos and wild rumors. Most in America had no idea what was going on until the dust settled.

[Mina Synd 0]

i guess o.o

[apocolyp4 0]

We might have been able have launched an air raid on the camps without killling the prisoners as the British did it to a french prison using moqueto bombers that blew up the prison walls which aloud hundreds of french resistance prisoners escape. The raid was only execute when they found out that the leaders were to be executed. The raid was a success with a number of french resistance leaders escaping. It might have saved some Jews in the camps but the main problem was that even if it was done the people in the camps were not fit enough to escape from the heavily defended camps due to stavation, experiment, beatings and over worked.

 

I agree with you BWare as the allies did the best that could have been done as they had to fight a larger war not just liberate camps. I do however like the fact that both the americans and britishs rounded up all the locals that help supply the camps and took them to the camp to show what realy happened in them.

[Mina Synd 0]

once again, true true. but there's always that lil bit in your mind that says "what if someone had done something differently? what if some rogue lost bomber noticed the camp and decided to drop it on the staff quarters? what if some resistance fighters got through to the camp and caused havoc?" so many things that could have happened o.o

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Even with resistance fighters getting through, the SS troops knew what they were doing. And if the prisoners were freed, they were pretty much garunteed death trying to escape and survive in hostile territory.

 

And as has been said, people can only do so much. I read in a book (Ghost Soldiers, I think) about all kinds of Jap torture and rape. But we can restassured that if something like that EVER happens again, that US and British troops will be the first to take the offenders (thats not even a stong enough word) down.

[Mina Synd 0]

stop trying to shoot down my theories. i'm just saying there are any number of things which may have worked due to fluke y'know? an i know i know... but it's nice to think about things like that... maybe in an alternative universe the camp members got rescued... maybe the camp never got built etc etc... nice to think about o.o;; eh can we please get off the "R" word now? i know very well what the japanese did to countries they thought lower then themselves...

[Arificial 0]

All camps where in fact built, and flukes saved one man, not an army. The only flukes that were talked about is the "Protection Of God". This was a scenerio in which on man, in a hail of gunfire, or mortars, etc. Would not get hit, and leave the ballte without a scratch. The most common of these occurences were Medics helping the wounded while being shot at and not hurt by MG-42s.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Even with these miracles ya gotta give the medics a round of applause. Running out unarmed, unarmored into a battle to help the injured and knowing that the Germans and Japs frequently shot up medics, they still went out and did their job.

 

Now thats a miracle.

[Arificial 0]

Even with these miracles ya gotta give the medics a round of applause. Running out unarmed, unarmored into a battle to help the injured and knowing that the Germans and Japs frequently shot up medics, they still went out and did their job.

 

Now thats a miracle.

 

 

Not true, The Medics were basic infantry with medical background. Therefore they carried the same light weapons as the rest. They had to defend themselves too.

[Mina Synd 0]

in vietnam the majority of them were trained doctors and refused to carry weapons... i view those specific individuals as really brave or really stupid n.n; like Doc in the tv series Tour of Duty o.o; he was a hippy and had a mental breakdown halfway through the series he was in...

 

though on the subject of WW2 medics... is it possible that the germans saw the red cross and purposely avoided them? remember they may be on the other side but we all have emotions. the medics that i truely really give all my respect to are the WW1 medics... any medical symbols they had on their uniforms got covered with mud a lot of the time and they were pusposely gunned down :

not saying that any of the others were less brave - all just as deserving of our respect for doing their duty

[BWare 0]

in vietnam the majority of them were trained doctors and refused to carry weapons...

I'm sorry, but they were not in the majority :roll:

[Mina Synd 0]

yeah good point was exaggerating a little. but most of them were remotely trained and held similar morals... at least when they went into the war... somehow i doubt any of them felt the same after : ah well...

[apocolyp4 0]

Most of the German army with the exception of the SS followed the gentlemens rules of war. This included not shooting medics and having tempory truces during a battle in which both sides would go to tend to the dead and wounded. One of the stangest stories was in north africa where both british and german troops when collecting water at the same place with each other they would greet each other, talk and trade supplies. This cannot be said of the Japanese though as even to this day they are not fondly talked about in my family as a family member was a pow to the japs.

[Mina Synd 0]

yeah i heard the oasis story! n.n Rommel was one of the greatest generals ever to have lived. if Hitler had given him everything he'd asked for when he wanted it the world could be a very different place o.O

[Cygnus X-1 12]

I'm talking about like near the battle of the Bulge when the Germans drove an entire convoy of Troops and weapons hidden in "Red Cross" trucks.

 

Also known for shooting at medics durring battle of the Bulge, Americans did the same to the Germans once they relised their medics were getting shot at.

[Mina Synd 0]

yah gotta admit there have been a lot of sneaky things happening in war o.O there was some old wild west type film... think it was called "The Command" or something like that... they have a caravan convoy and hide all the soldiers inside, get some to dress as women and they make a circle... then the indians attack and get massacred o.o; like the first frigging mobile infantry/artillary unit or somethin lol

even so notice how rommel never did sneaky stuff? he went for proper honour fights

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Rommel was good man and General, he just found himself in the wrong place at the wrong time, under the wrong leaders.

[Dark_Kodiak 0]

How in the HELL did that magician defeat Rommel :?

 

Was it with the mines in the camel dung?

 

Would they just tell us already? I don't want to wait 50 years to find out.

(unless I missed something Am I right folks?

[apocolyp4 0]

I take it your talking about Jasper Maskelyne.

 

Jasper Maskelyne, was born in 1902 in England, a music hall conjurer, never fired a shot in battle, but his amazing feats played a key role in the Allied victory in Africa. Among his many triumphs, Maskelyne “hid” the Suez Canal and conjured up illusions of armies and battleships, fooling German forces led by General Erwin Rommel into retreat. The grandson of John Nevil Maskelyne, one of the founding fathers of British magic, Maskelyne was a celebrated stage magician before the war. Convinced he could use his skills to help the army, Maskelyne wooed sceptical officials by creating the illusion of a German warship floating down the Thames using mirrors and a model. He was placed in charge of the Royal Engineers Camouflage Corps and sent to Egypt where he performed some genuine mission impossibles. Asked to prevent the Germans from bombing Alexandria Harbour, the conjurer redirected the bombers by recreating the harbour’s exact lighting pattern three miles away. He “vanished” the Suez Canal by building a series of spinning strobe lights to put pilots off their bearings. Maskelyne’s greatest triumph came in 1942 when he successfully convinced Rommel that the British Eighth Army was in the south of the Egyptian desert and that the Alamein attack would begin there rather than in the north. Although praised privately by Churchill and hunted by Hitler, Maskelyne ended his days in relative obscurity as a farmer in Kenya and died in 1973.