Oh my God, this is sick

[Louis EX 0]

If you guys keep talking like this

my head is going explode

I don't bother to read such long posts

[F15pilotX 4]

Same here: I just read the reply's to see what seems important, and then go back to choose the points I want to debate :wink: If you're not going to contribute to the topic, don't even bother posting in it :wink:

[Doctor Destiny 41]

I swear I will slay someone if another person blames the downward economy on the Bush administration again. It was NOT HIS FAULT, I REPEAT, IT WAS NOT BUSH! For the love of all things holy... ¬_¬

[BWare 0]

I swear I will slay someone if another person blames the downward economy on the Bush administration again. It was NOT HIS FAULT, I REPEAT, IT WAS NOT BUSH! For the love of all things holy... ¬_¬

That is so true... anyway, things happen in cycles economically. Bush INHERITED a recession from the Clinton administration which benefited from the long-term effects of Reagan's policies. And, as F15 said, 9/11 sure didn't help anything, and neither do the recent natural disasters. It has been one hell of a presidency in terms of disasters, and considering, I'd say the economy is roaring along just fine. I see the positive effects of Bush's policies (tax cuts and the like) firsthand here in Orlando, FL... I work in the tourist industry to a certain extent, and it is one of the first to be effected economically. We're doing just fine. :wink:

[Acerz492 1]

I work in the tourist industry to a certain extent, and it is one of the first to be effected economically.

 

Must be good money..don't suppose you'll be able to shout me a flight to Miami? :wink:

 

That is so true... anyway, things happen in cycles economically.

 

Exactly! No matter what country you go to, wherever in the world, there will always be a fluxuating economy. For example, New Zealand's economy isn't very stable, mainly because we are a small country. The larger the country, however, the larger an economy fluxuation affects them. So that fact combined with my earlier statement stabilizes everything. At least, that's how I see it, I may be wrong here. But it makes sense to me.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Cindy Sheehan-Shoot her I say.

 

Conspiracies are just that, conspiracies. Every country has mad mistakes, or made decisions that could have been better. We (The United States of America) have yet to make a hugely imoral decision, and I serioussly doubt we ever will. Everyone says we are bad for going in to middle eastern countries and south asian countries and improving things and outsting radicals

 

well how about we just keep to ourselves and refuse to help out anyone anymore.

 

ANarchy aint fun, neither is dictator ship or communism, yet that whats the world turns to when Britina and the US dont run in and save the day again.

 

all these ****ing assholes (oooohh explicitories !) who say we are stealing oil and killing our own troops and ****....get your head outa your ass and wake up. Kill our own troops ? Make ourselves weaker ? You gotta be kidding me.

 

and as for the draft: yes, it may have to be reinstated, because soo many idiots listen to these conspiracy theories and dont want to support our nation.

 

They take pride in their country, yet soo many deny our military power and refuse to accept the fact that WE WILL go in wherever we see a need for improvemnet of living conditions or the outsting of a tyrant. We will do as we dam well please to help out those who are much less fortunate than we are.

 

Seriously, if the AMerican government was as bad as these people say it is, would we really be listening to them ? or would the CIA have deported them years ago ? hmmm????.

 

snap

 

you loose, conspiracists.

 

Look at the world. If we wanted to take over, you think we would be sitting here taking our time ? no, we would have done it already. SO shut up, go home, or realise the truth.

 

And dont belive everything you hear in the media. You wanna the real deal ? Join the armed forces and get it from the guys who are out htere every day risking their necks for US (pun intended) and ultimatley, the rest of the world.

[Hybrid 0]

In any case going after the elite' date=' as you refer to them, sounds to me like you believe the rich have a duty to help the poor. Part of me agrees with this, in how people who have more money than they will ever need should help others less fortunate, and that first world countries should help fight poverty, ect.[/quote']I believe more about an economy for the people and not just for the rich, that causes a centralised economy. Corporatism is infact very close to fascism and communism because of the economy. Thats why we are facing great problems today, too much control.

 

On the other hand' date=' socialism, which is what some of these people practice, also believe, vehemently, that they have to smash the government. That law and order is the enemy, that countries should be ripped down.[/quote']Again its the ISMs that is the problem. Close-minded systems that care nothing else for other successful traits from the other ISMs. Either way socialism is not against the government, it's against the free economy that if not watched properly can screw many people over, hence what is happening in many third world countries and sweatshops elsewhere. Profit over people.

 

Either way, law and order is not the "enemy," the enemy is human ignorance. Law and order comes naturally when ignorance is replaced by knowledge and emotion is replaced by wisdom.

 

I will not make any bones about them' date=' these people are out and out kooks, who time and again practice what a friend of mine refers to as 'passive treason.' A good example of this was the human shields who went over to defend Saddam's military installations. Now that the Iraqi people need protective, where are they now?[/quote']The ideology isn't to blame, its the people ruling it. We've made a fair mess of "capitalism" ourselves.

 

 

ur too obsessed on puppet goverments. true there is some level of manipulation at the government, but thats true for every country.

Yes, it's also a possibility the corruption could be worked and linked together. It happened with the soviet union, why wouldn't it happen in west countries. Don't close your mind, its the worst thing you could ever do.

 

u call people who are calling for jihad and advocating resistance innocent civilians!

PROTESTORS are not JIHADISTS. They want to be heard, Iraq is the country of the Iraqi population, not the country of a small hand of placed dummies who decide to write about oil distributation in their constitution.

 

thats is not true. the US economy has had its downs before in history, and as big as our country is, we can recover

Of course it can recover, but maybe its too late to recover. If the economy crashes it will be the Wall street crash mutlipled many times over. It'll be very very destating for all western countries.

 

and how tall was that building in spain? anywhere even close to the height of the WTC? N-O Simple fact. Very tall buildings are more structurally vulnerable than smaller ones. The 1 in spain obviously had red glowing steel that clearly weakend. The same thing happened in the WTC, but the towers were 1,368 feet tall and when the entire structure has weakened steel, its harder for the steel to support all that weight and material, hence the crumbling: the steel supports gave away caust they were weakened by the heat. nothing secret about that is there? which is easier for weakened steel to support, a really tall skycraper or a shorter building? jetliners carry large numbers of fuel. ever think of fuel burning up and setting whole place on fire will melt steel?

I totally agree, i hadn't dismissed that, i'm just stating there is much other evidence supporting other theories rather than the official one. We will never know the about 9/11 as there is far too much uncertainity.

 

it is quite possilbe to over-philosophise u dummy. its called thinking too much and coming up with crazy conclusion when the simple truth is right there. Too much philospy links to crazy mind to paranoid soul to the world is all evil plots. philosphers are an extinct species.

Philosophiers rule the world... Think about that one my friend.

 

do not want to be rude but I feel it coming on, so I will just say if you do not want people to 'call you the obvious' and say you are radical and cookoo then it might be a good idea to not so rapidly change the goal posts in terms of what you want to hear.

Maybe thats what i'm "guilty" of. I sometimes find myself getting too involved in opinionation. Opinions do not matter in this world.

 

Just remember, even if you come across an opinion or action you dislike, everyone believes they are right, everyone believes what they are doing is right. Right and wrong doesn't exist, morality lives in the human heart, its a human concept. Your not right, neither am I. There is no way to win, arguments continue. Instead i should keep to my truths rather than opinions.

 

<1> Okay, on the Monica Lewensky subject, it wasn't the fact that he did it, it was the fact that the PRESIDENT OF THE UNTIED STATES, supposed to be a model citizen, was having a affair!

Yes i totally agree and i understand the uproar, personally to me i see it as none of my business. The guy is human, his sex life is none of my interest, I don't need models, i lead myself through this life.

 

<2> Actually, after the Gulf War, the US economy was boosted forward, not backward: at the beginning of the Clinton administration, it started going back downhill again; in the last few years of his second term, he finally managed to stop the decline and cause some little growth.

America is based upon a war economy. What does this mean? This means its a scam right under your noses and the typical American wouldn't figure it out. Most American tax money goes on "defense," this means it goes to the pentagon, the pentagon works with corporations or even themselves on technology to use in war. Some technology furthers onto systems that can be sold on the market to the public. If corporations are involved, money is funded directly into that corporation to develop the technology. Arms firms, typically. The pentagon then takes that technology to use in War or the corporation sells it, if appropriate to the public. More money back to the rich. Every time there is war, a war economy will be boosted and the rich get richer.

 

However ignoring that, the Bush administration has got America into the biggest amount of debt it's seen for a long time, where clintons was above the line, bush is miles below it. Americans and the next generations will be paying this off for years to come. Thats why i said your spending debt not credit. Brown is doing exactly the same here in Britain.

 

If this comes to account, this could affect the economy far more than imagined, as they are spending money that may not even be there.

 

You like to overthink, huh? Well I don't. So here's the simple truth:

You are a clown. Simple as that.

For my next trick, i will tell you your an ignorant fool. Simple as that. See how much opinion doesn't really matter. Get real man.

 

You are the pseudo-intellectual type who will sit back and passively criticize the US government with your ridiculous theories and flawed logic.

I am free, I am me. Beginning to sound like jesus now...

 

Your phantom enemies, like the ominous sounding "elite," never seem to fully materialize, but you seem to see them in everything.

These phantoms exist my friend. There is an american elite, a british elite, a european elite. Who do you think helped Hitler into power in 1933? The german elite. Are you really blind enough to not see the light behind the storm cloud these people are putting over your head, your "opinions" and your view for the future?

 

Materalism never seems to be a desire in my life. I don't really care what i own or do not own, i came into this world with nothing other than my soul, i will leave it with nothing other than my soul.

 

You are a joke, and so is every one of your ridiculous opinions and ideas. The fatal flaw in your thinking is you believing that you HAVE all the right information and that you HAVE the authority to come to these insane conclusions.

I have the greatest knowledge in this world, that is I am ignorant. You also have that great knowledge, you just have to find it within yourself.

 

Authority is an illusion. Since when did you have the right to tell me your opinions and your conclusions? You simply are a fool.

 

You are guilty of a kind of intellectual hubris... and that's what makes you such a ridiculous clown. Please stop wasting our time.

That is your opinion, do not shift it onto me. You are wasting your own time and you even have the cheek to blame me for that. Grow up. I am as free as you to post or not post here. If i wish to post my "conspiracy against my own intellect" i may do so, same as you. The reason i posted here was to bring a different type of "opinion" to these topics. The only opinions i have seen are the ones directly controlled and influenced by the matrix type societies we live in.

 

The simple truth is sitting right here... there is an evil enemy in this Islamo-fascism that is once again threatening the west with its militant and social fronts (they already have a good part of Europe...), and there is a simple solution: a war on terror.

Your programming does not compute with mine. "A war on terror" is ever so similar to the "Cold War." Don't you think? There is as much westernised fascism in this world as there is islamo-fascism. The UN itself is a fascist resource for these "invisible" elite.

 

This is not easy, and we don't have a DEFINITE gameplan (nobody does in war), but we do recognize the threat, and we are doing everything we can to counter it and protect our way of life, and in fact our very existence.

"We"? There is no collectivism in a controlled economy and society. Your not working together on this. If the "we" existed in our societies, why did the media run a fear-mongering campaign on the public before the Iraqi wars. To PROGRAM you into thinking there was a THREAT. There is no threat in iraq, there never was.

 

I also like it how you denied your own existence and blamed others for your lack of understanding of your "self." Your are the pawns of secret societies, who capitalise in making out there is a problem. Problem-Reaction-Solution. The problem appears (9/11), the reaction is "oh my god save us" the solution is "lets go to war." The war was intentional from the start. Why do you think i question 9/11 so much? I never came to a firm conclusion, i just said it was possible. Why? Because i refuse to close my mind and rejoin the herd of sheep because of the "sheep dogs."

 

Collectively you are both the sheep and the sheep dog. Following the herd but trying to "save" or attack anyone who is outside of it. Have you ever thought of saving yourself?

 

We are too involved in a society that does everything for us, they bribe us with ease of life and we give in to there every command. When did we forget to work for ourselves and be ourselves. When did we cease being the intelligent beings God made us to be and became the 2nd dimensional sheep being?

 

Where before we grew our own food, it is now done by a minority (farmers) and then sold to larger businesses, who screw the minority (farmers), because they are an easy target. The businesses then add all type of **** to our food that causes health problems because it boosts taste and increases short term profit, and you know nothing about it, just because you were not told. Oh my friend, this "conspiracy" is beyond possible.

 

Morons like you sit back and see conspiracies when a very real and SIMPLE war is raging.

"The war is continuous, its meant to be continuous" - George Orwell, 1984. America has been in a state of war since its existance: http://www.neravt.com/left/invade.htm

 

You contribute nothing... philosophy is useless here. Get your feet on the ground and get in touch with reality.

Tell me what "reality" is. All the quoted people in their lives were philosophiers. Philosophiers rule this world my friend, your very leaders are philosophiers, your very religions are philosophies, the very society and idealogy you live under is a philosophy. Who is the fool? Me or you for trying to deny the truth when its already hit you in the face 100 times over and you continously ignore due to the fact you cannot accept it's spiritual enlightenment. That spiritual enlightment is, we are ignorant.

 

PWNED Hybrid; anyway:

Of course i was, i never had a response to that. I had to use philosophy, philosophy has got us no where, except accepting our own existence, and maybe, if your religious, the existence of God. :roll:

 

His fathers may in fact have managed the country's money better, I'll take your word for it; one detail, though: the Gulf War gave a tremendous boost to the economy already revived by Reagan, so that was actually one of the HIGH points in our economy's history: no wonder H.W. did better than his son, if he did so that point was worthless information

The Reagan age economy is struggling my friend, its a war economy, just as the soviet unions was. The soviet unions economy only collapsed 10 years ago, how much longer can ours hold out?

 

IT'S CALLED 9/11

It's called poor management, hurricanes and the "peak oil" put on. It's called screwing the world dry and then picking up the pieces after.

 

swear I will slay someone if another person blames the downward economy on the Bush administration again. It was NOT HIS FAULT, I REPEAT, IT WAS NOT BUSH! For the love of all things holy...

Fen relax, I agree with you. It was no his fault entirely. There were certain uncontrollable things, such as hurricanes, then again now i think of it... (i won't say the fact the russians had already developed technology in the 80s that they were using to try and manipulate the weather... Then again it would be foolish to suggest the american elite could have possibly tried the same).

 

Anyway, no it was not Bush personally, the poor management was either intentional or just down to poor management of his administration.

 

I see the positive effects of Bush's policies (tax cuts and the like) firsthand here in Orlando, FL... I work in the tourist industry to a certain extent, and it is one of the first to be effected economically.

Orlando will have a good enomony, its a tourist area. Tourists bring money, tourists spend money.

 

There is also another possibiltiy. You may work for disney or maybe even another corporation. Corporations have money, because corporations rule the economy.

 

Either way, the economy is in a bad part, i hope it recovers, because i wouldn't like to see what happens if there was a full crash, but there is always the slight possibility other events could happen that may bring the economy down further. Hurricanes, earthquakes anything. Lets just hope it doesn't. Negative energy does no good for the earth anyway.

 

Cindy Sheehan-Shoot her I say

I say shoot you. :roll:

 

Show some respect for christ sake. The women lost her son and your saying shoot her because shes doing what she thinks its right. If you are so against her, get out and protest against her. You are no judge, you have no right to judge her.

 

well how about we just keep to ourselves and refuse to help out anyone anymore.

"We." Your government doesn't represent you when its killing people, unless you wish to be associated with murder.

 

I believe the best bet is to free the economy, let the people back in, open the government, let the people rule again and then we have a society free of fear and humanity can progress rather than fall further into spiritual anarchy.

 

ANarchy aint fun, neither is dictator ship or communism, yet that whats the world turns to when Britina and the US dont run in and save the day again.

Team America... Gotta love that film. This is the type of attitude that the film is based on. "America, **** YEAH!" Nationalism rules! It only allowed Hitler to kill 6million jews in WWII.

 

One day, when mankind is spiritual and true to itself again, we will no longer need government and physical rules. We will return to the "garden of edan."

 

and as for the draft: yes, it may have to be reinstated, because soo many idiots listen to these conspiracy theories and dont want to support our nation.

The government is not your nation. YOU ARE. The world governments are destroying national identity, it only means one thing, a world state. If the american government said tomorrow, "lets make a world state" i assume you would do it "for america," even though america would no longer exist. That is communism my friend. Neoconservative communism.

 

I take it your a patriot yes? If so, why are your allowing your constitution to be ripped away from you? Patriots defend their country, not their government. Otherwise that would make them no better than saddam loyalists. See the logic my friend? Your America today, their america tomorrow, unless people begin to wake up by mental and spiritually.

 

Seriously, if the AMerican government was as bad as these people say it is, would we really be listening to them ? or would the CIA have deported them years ago ? hmmm????.

I take it "protesting without a permit" was not a big enough wake up call for you?

 

If we wanted to take over, you think we would be sitting here taking our time ? no, we would have done it already.

America is not the mastermind, i think you'll find its more related to secret societies called the Jesits and the Illuminati. The Winsor family of Britain are a major bloodline in one of these orders, if not both.

 

SO shut up, go home, or realise the truth.

I take it you support the hate bill that squashes certain aspects of freedom of speech in your country.

 

And dont belive everything you hear in the media. You wanna the real deal ? Join the armed forces and get it from the guys who are out htere every day risking their necks for US (pun intended) and ultimatley, the rest of the world.

Believe me, i have the up most respect for the men and women risking their lives in this war.

 

you loose, conspiracists

There are no win or loss in my mind. The loss is permantly yours, no matter the result or conclusion.

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Good lord Hybrid... I swear you waste far too much mental energy on this crap you write. That entire response just deserves one big :roll:

 

My previous points stand. You still don't get it, and I'm done wasting time trying to convince you. You seem far too excited by your own pseudo-intellectual "philosophy" (I use that word very lightly), and I think everyone else gets it... everyone but you. :roll:

[Hybrid 0]

What aren't you getting? Or should i ask, what are you trying to "prove" to me?

 

There are three stages to the enlightenment process:

1. Denial

2. Anger

3. Acceptance

 

I went through it myself, i even got angry over the "lies" of others, but eventually i came to see how simple it was. What i wrote up there is nothing. It is the basis of the basics. Do you think you know everything about life enough to be able to "prove me wrong"? As i said, there is no wrong and right in this world, only truth. Truth doesn't come to you, you must find the truth. If you think it was as easy, then think again, then think again about that thought. Between each thought there is calmness and silence. In between thoughts is self.

 

I see past this crap and fear mongering my friend, it doesn't work on me anymore. If you don't like what i'm saying i am not asking you to agree or respond.

[General Leang 0]

I believe more about an economy for the people and not just for the rich' date=' that causes a centralised economy. Corporatism is infact very close to fascism and communism because of the economy. Thats why we are facing great problems today, too much control.[/quote']

 

Without corporations however we would not enjoy McDonalds, films, video games and the basic nessecities of life these corporations produce for us.

 

Again its the ISMs that is the problem. Close-minded systems that care nothing else for other successful traits from the other ISMs. Either way socialism is not against the government' date=' it's against the free economy that if not watched properly can screw many people over, hence what is happening in many third world countries and sweatshops elsewhere. Profit over people.

 

Either way, law and order is not the "enemy," the enemy is human ignorance. Law and order comes naturally when ignorance is replaced by knowledge and emotion is replaced by wisdom.[/quote']

 

Well I hate to say it but this is how I have seen socialists operate. They storm government buildings with protests. They break out prisoners from prison. Invade places they have been told to stay away from. Burn national flags. Incite violence. And it might be the bad evil police who are behind this, I do not know. I can say that I was at one of their rallies and they were saying how they were not allowed to march, but intended to anyway despite the police and military presence, so I can say that from what I have seen they have no regard for law and order.

 

u call people who are calling for jihad and advocating resistance innocent civilians!

PROTESTORS are not JIHADISTS. They want to be heard' date=' Iraq is the country of the Iraqi population, not the country of a small hand of placed dummies who decide to write about oil distributation in their constitution.[/quote']

 

Is there a place where it actually says this? For that matter, I still very much would like to know about American soldiers killing protesters. You never said anything about this did you? Were you actually there to witness it first hand? With all due respect I highly doubt it. At the very least a video would be very helpful, as this is a very grave accusation, and if it can be backed up then America must get to the bottom of it. I tried searching for any video that portrays this, along with evidence on the other things you have said. I searched Google, Dogpile, Kazaa, eMule, Bittorrent, all without success.

 

I totally agree' date=' i hadn't dismissed that, i'm just stating there is much other evidence supporting other theories rather than the official one. We will never know the about 9/11 as there is far too much uncertainity.[/quote']

 

Look at what you wrote, i'm just stating there is much other evidence supporting other theories...theories. You theorise that America flew the planes in by remote control. You theorise that, maybe, a bomb was used to destroy the towers. There is another word for theories, particularly ones that require such a massive leap in what we know and what is accepted as fact: clutching at straws.

 

Just remember' date=' even if you come across an opinion or action you dislike, everyone believes they are right, everyone believes what they are doing is right. Right and wrong doesn't exist, morality lives in the human heart, its a human concept. Your not right, neither am I. There is no way to win, arguments continue. Instead i should keep to my truths rather than opinions.[/quote']

 

I would very much like to know how you come to the conclusion that what you say is truth. For instance you said how America could have flown the planes in by remote control. How do you know that to be truth, or at least a possible truth?

 

America is based upon a war economy. What does this mean? This means its a scam right under your noses and the typical American wouldn't figure it out. Most American tax money goes on "defense' date='" this means it goes to the pentagon, the pentagon works with corporations or even themselves on technology to use in war. Some technology furthers onto systems that can be sold on the market to the public. If corporations are involved, money is funded directly into that corporation to develop the technology. Arms firms, typically. The pentagon then takes that technology to use in War or the corporation sells it, if appropriate to the public. More money back to the rich. Every time there is war, a war economy will be boosted and the rich get richer.[/quote']

 

Well yes war certainly does generate money for arms manufacturers, but to say that America scams by going to war because war is profitable is beyond the pale. It also puts a gaping hole in the claim about oil. How? The billions of dollars it costs to invade Iraq and the human loss would be more than however much oil there is in Iraq.

 

The only opinions i have seen are the ones directly controlled and influenced by the matrix type societies we live in.

 

So...we are all in some illusion world when really we are hooked up to some bio organic thing that makes us slaves?

 

A war on terror" is ever so similar to the "Cold War." Don't you think? There is as much westernised fascism in this world as there is islamo-fascism. The UN itself is a fascist resource for these "invisible" elite.

 

Now the UN is meant to be evil and currupt by the elite. No' date=' the war on terror is nothing like the Cold War. There America and the Soviet Union were at a stand off with the threat of nuclear apocalypse. This War on Terror, on the other hand, have many clutching the enemy to their bosem say 'it's okay, we understand.'

 

Just on that note, if Bin Laden was an American agent then why would he say in his videos where he claims responsibility for terrorist attacks that they are because of Iraq? Since he is meant to be a CIA sleeper he should be all for ousting Saddam even if he were to say that a blight on Islam, a blight on Jihad had been done away with.

 

"We"? There is no collectivism in a controlled economy and society. Your not working together on this. If the "we" existed in our societies, why did the media run a fear-mongering campaign on the public before the Iraqi wars. To PROGRAM you into thinking there was a THREAT. There is no threat in iraq, there never was.

 

I also like it how you denied your own existence and blamed others for your lack of understanding of your "self." Your are the pawns of secret societies, who capitalise in making out there is a problem. Problem-Reaction-Solution. The problem appears (9/11), the reaction is "oh my god save us" the solution is "lets go to war." The war was intentional from the start. Why do you think i question 9/11 so much? I never came to a firm conclusion, i just said it was possible. Why? Because i refuse to close my mind and rejoin the herd of sheep because of the "sheep dogs."

 

I...just had to stop reading after that part, because it is clear that you have well and truely gone over the edge. To claim the media is part of some government plot when they had a field day with Abu Gharib is preposterous, and to out and out say there are secret societies planning terrorist attacks to go to war really sends shivers down my spine and makes me sick to the stomache as to how of a kook, how cookoo, how crazy, all of it you really are, and if you consider that defamitory or against your 'inner peace, peaudo logical' self, then see you in court.

[Hybrid 0]

Without corporations however we would not enjoy McDonalds' date=' films, video games and the basic nessecities of life these corporations produce for us.[/quote']LOL, i know what your saying. I don't eat mcdonalds anyway, its dirty food.

 

Corporations are not needed to make films and video games or basic nessecities. Where did you get the idea they were. Corporations are a modern creation. Example, westwood was a good company, but when it was absorbed into the EA corporation the francise went to hell.

 

People can grow basic nessecities of life, the weather also does most of that. It's not difficult to distil rain water. People have grown far too reliant on the corporate state, and thats where the problem lies if something happens, especially tommorrow with those "The world can't wait" extremists.

 

Well I hate to say it but this is how I have seen socialists operate. They storm government buildings with protests. They break out prisoners from prison. Invade places they have been told to stay away from. Burn national flags. Incite violence.

Again its not the ideologies' date=' its the people. I am not a supporter of authoritarianism, as you can tell. Anything that is centralised too much i dislike because it makes me feel the future is uncertain. Thats my own view, i could have pretended there was no problem but something was always in the back of my mind, like a guide to push my through that and accept that we have a problem. The authoritarian centralisation we are seeing is beginning to resemble that of fascism and stalinism, and people wonder why there are so many conspiracy theories about it.

 

One thing i learn from studying history at college, and this is also a famous quote. "Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it." We have forgotten history, WWII, the cold war, deceit from our governments throughout, especially with vietnam. We are facing the same problem we had in WWII, fascist policies, centralisation and control and people can't accept that is happening here. They just cannot bring themselves to do it. I know why, because it means the style of life we are living could easily be over. Again i've said before, i may be a paranoid conspiracist, only time will tell. If nothing happens, i'll drop the "act."

 

Iron Maiden Face in the sand: "Everybody is waiting for something to happen, i see the signs they tell the truth." I see some signs, but the reason i wait is because i'm also unsure about them. We live in an uncertain world. Just don't fear it, understand it. If you understand it, you've already "won" which ever way our paths go.

 

And it might be the bad evil police who are behind this, I do not know. I can say that I was at one of their rallies and they were saying how they were not allowed to march, but intended to anyway despite the police and military presence, so I can say that from what I have seen they have no regard for law and order.

"Socialists" only see socialism, thats why they are closed minded. Before i claimed to be a socialist. Now i claim to be me, because i accept something. The ideologies are too dangerous to dedicate your life too. Its just like becoming a jihadist, its the same for any ideology. Christianity, islam, capitalism, socialism, communism.

 

In this world, i find peace can only be found within, thats why i am like i am. I try to rely on nobody, unless i need too, that way if anything happens, i'm full able to move off or know it was going to happen. Maybe thats why i seem so "mysterious" to you guys. I swear really, i'm a fun loving guy

 

Is there a place where it actually says this? For that matter' date=' I still very much would like to know about American soldiers killing protesters. You never said anything about this did you? Were you actually there to witness it first hand? With all due respect I highly doubt it.[/quote']You've got me on my own idealism. What i fool i was. I got carried away on a moment. I read it on a news site, i'll take a look for it, maybe i'll make a list of nice sites, that aren't full of "conspiracy" but at least might be considered slightly reliable for you guys.

 

At the very least a video would be very helpful' date=' as this is a very grave accusation, and if it can be backed up then America must get to the bottom of it.[/quote']You right, there is no video, it was an image and a story. As i said, i got carried away on the moment, however i'll try dig it up. It wasn't too long ago that i read it.

 

Look at what you wrote' date=' i'm just stating there is much other evidence supporting other theories...theories. You theorise that America flew the planes in by remote control. You theorise that, maybe, a bomb was used to destroy the towers. There is another word for theories, particularly ones that require such a massive leap in what we know and what is accepted as fact: clutching at straws.[/quote']The official story is also a theory. Why? Because we don't know.

 

I would very much like to know how you come to the conclusion that what you say is truth. For instance you said how America could have flown the planes in by remote control. How do you know that to be truth' date=' or at least a possible truth?[/quote']That is not truth, it hasn't been proved. Truth either has to be proved 100%, or you have to find it within. The truth i'm talking about my not even be a physical truth but rather a spiritual truth to have the strength to keep searching.

 

Well yes war certainly does generate money for arms manufacturers' date=' but to say that America scams by going to war because war is profitable is beyond the pale. It also puts a gaping hole in the claim about oil. How? The billions of dollars it costs to invade Iraq and the human loss would be more than however much oil there is in Iraq.[/quote']Short term profits are more important than human life. Thats why they sold weapons to iraq during the Iraq-Iran war. I'm not attacking america, i'm saying many western countries are guilty, as probably are eastern countries.

 

]So...we are all in some illusion world when really we are hooked up to some bio organic thing that makes us slaves?

You too my quote too literally. Symbolically' date=' most of my words are of symbolic value, as it means more for the mind. The matrix is society. It is the physical limitations, the control. We are being "coded" by media, by activities, by sport, by anything. Most of it doesn't matter, its not the harm, the harm is who is behind it.

 

The desire is to find truth in the matrix film, is it not? It is the same here.

 

Now the UN is meant to be evil and currupt by the elite.

It is an elite union. It was made by America, Britain and France. The winners of World War II, the winners of the battle for ideology. Capitalism - control (us) or socialism - control (nazis). It was made by elite nations. We decided we knew best, so we made it entirely for our own gains. Why does Britain, America and France have permenant seats there otherwise. Why does it not matter that the US went against the UN to invade Iraq but they want to kick Iran out for building nuclear weapons. The UN is an elite union, it would be rather foolish to not see that considering its entire history was built on the outcome of the war.

 

No' date=' the war on terror is nothing like the Cold War. There America and the Soviet Union were at a stand off with the threat of nuclear apocalypse. This War on Terror, on the other hand, have many clutching the enemy to their bosem say 'it's okay, we understand.'[/quote']The cold war was an excuse to exploit america and expand the corporations behind the tide of the "communist threat," the war on terror is an excuse to exploit americans yet again and being seizing control beind the "threat of terrorism." Nuclear apocalyse could have happened, Russians had weapons that were far more powerful in the 80s than the US had, why didn't they attack the US and win the war?

 

Just on that note' date=' if Bin Laden was an American agent then why would he say in his videos where he claims responsibility for terrorist attacks that they are because of Iraq? Since he is meant to be a CIA sleeper he should be all for ousting Saddam even if he were to say that a blight on Islam, a blight on Jihad had been done away with.[/quote']The reason to keep the "terrorism" story going. Theres questions from both "sides." Again its uncertainity isn't it, ignorance, from all human beings on earth. Only those in the government and elites know the truth.

 

I...just had to stop reading after that part' date=' because it is clear that you have well and truely gone over the edge. To claim the media is part of some government plot when they had a field day with Abu Gharib is preposterous, and to out and out say there are secret societies planning terrorist attacks to go to war really sends shivers down my spine and makes me sick to the stomache as to how of a kook, how cookoo, how crazy, all of it you really are, and if you consider that defamitory or against your 'inner peace, peaudo logical' self, then see you in court.[/quote']ROFL. Its your choice, as i said, i am not asking any of you to agree with any of my points. Its again down to opinion. I lose nothing, i gain nothing either. I post because i find it a particular interest to do so and talk to people who have intelligence rather than the simple "its not possible type."

 

Leang you are an intelligent person, very intelligent. You are not close minded, you follow your own mind. Thats entirely your choice as this is mine. Good luck for your future my friend. Time will tell.

 

I think i'll quit posting now in this topic, i'm sure you guys have had enough of my "rambo bull****."

[Louis EX 0]

I think i'll quit posting now in this topic, i'm sure you guys have had enough of my "rambo bull****."

You better

LOL, i know what your saying. I don't eat mcdonalds anyway, its dirty food.

Macdonalds is not dirty! It is juz unhealthy

[Saracen 16]

**Some huge essay that hurt my eyes before even getting 1/10 of the way through**

 

Dude, please, write in managable chunks, most people don't wanna read rebuttals to everything everyone posts, they just throw interest off the topic at hand :roll:

[General Leang 0]

I might go into the rest of this later, after I have given the others some screen time. Meanwhile here are some cartoons from Cox & Forkum on the issue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Louis EX 0]

Thats a Little nasty

This is becoming like a flaming zone

[General Leang 0]

Well you should be thankful that you did not see the worse ones. I considered these to be a fair, accurate if perhaps strong portrayal on Iraq and terrorism. I might put up a few more from the other point of view and on topics such as Bush handling the budget if my head is not ripped off for the huge post.

[Saracen 16]

I don't mind longish posts, but Uber long BWare Style posts... they are too time consuming and long to read. I'd prefer you just write one long rebuttal, rather than quote and pick to pieces everyone's comments, it'd shorten the posts quite significantly.

[Louis EX 0]

BWare post is so damn long it can be a full page. Man!

Hybrid too

[Luk3us 63]

Nice pix General Leang.

[BWare 0]

I don't mind longish posts, but Uber long BWare Style posts... they are too time consuming and long to read. I'd prefer you just write one long rebuttal, rather than quote and pick to pieces everyone's comments, it'd shorten the posts quite significantly.

Are you serious king? My posts are rarely that long. Have you seen Hybrid's lately?? But thanks for the little criticism there :roll:

 

 

Leang, those comics are AWESOME. I think... I think I love you :lol:

[Louis EX 0]

Yours is diffent BWare

Your is long and insultive

[BWare 0]

Oh for the love of... I never lash out irrationally. I'm never just needlessly insulting, so don't characterize me that way. I used to write really long posts, but I've learned to shorten them.

[Louis EX 0]

I hope so.....all this long post is giving me a headache :wink:

[F15pilotX 4]

I don't even bother reading, the long one, just skip to Leang's replies to find the main ideas

 

and nice comics Leang

[Louis EX 0]

I don't even bother reading, the long one, just skip to Leang's replies to find the main ideas

 

and nice comics Leang

haha me too!

lolz