Religious answer to terrorist problem

[rEdaSbLood 1]

ignorance is blisss...and people dont want to suffer, they want to be in bliss .......bware has a point about faith...its an essential part of human cognition to wonder into the territory of the crouching mystery called existence.....um yea

[Hybrid 0]

Yes, but this terrorism is a result not only islam extremist preachers but also western foreign policy and acts. There is so much more to it that one small view.

 

Hybrid, take this with a grain of salt... I'm just saying that in life, you are going to have major problems if you can't open your own mind to people like me, who believe very deeply in their faith. That's all.

I have never closed my mind to you, i am not trying to persuade you anything as you have with me. Everyone has the right to believe what they wish, don't they? So how would that be a close minded view, considering i've accepted you for your view and only choose to argue points over if i find them relevent to alternative.

 

Again, this is all just a semantics game. I am open to things that contradict my beliefs, but so far am unconvinced. Don't assume that beliefs necessariy interfere with clear thinking. You arrive at beliefs as a result of clear thinking. They are the end result!

True, true. I was only trying to state people with belief to the core and usually corrupted by that belief. It would be a lie for me to say i don't believe anything, because i clearly do, i just don't dedicate myself to belief, i'd rather view the world though as many points of view as possible and UNDERSTAND it rather than work against it.

 

 

Here is the problem- the whole "our truths" relativity nonsense. Hitler, Stalin, and all the other evil people in history were living by "their truths," and that was the problem!

They were corrupted by power, that is not a truth of man. Truth of man is understanding self. I would rather conquer myself than the world. Hitler was materialist, so was stalin. It doesn't link to self, it links to greed and power.

 

Man's nature is evil.

Misguided nature. If we misguide each other this is how we coming. We believe we rule the world, simply false as nature this year has hit many regions with more hurricanes than ever recorded. The signs keep appearing, they may be "natural" but they show us that ego destroys us. Our own collective ego is evil, mankinds nature is to live as one. I am me, I am free. See where even jesus' philosophy of "I am" comes into it? Accept yourself as you, you are not an image of gains and losses. The ego leads to corruption of mankind.

 

It is my belief that the absolute moral code is written on our hearts, and is in fact universal. Finding that and living that is the real way to go... not finding "your truth." The answer is not inside yourself.

That is your truth. Is it not? The moral code is written on your hearts, so you have to find it inside. The heart is not outside. Outside is the illusion because its misleading. The illusion is the feeling of power, the ego loves the illusion because it makes us feel we exist as physical beings, when its more likely the spiritual being "inside" is only experiencing a physical life.

 

ignorance is blisss...and people dont want to suffer, they want to be in bliss

Ignorance is suffering. It may be bliss for one person, but its suffering for millions more. We live in bliss every day, but over the ocean there is a continent called africa that suffers because of our ignorance. Global warming is due to ignorance, sooner or later that is going to cause suffering. Ignorance is suffering, people who believe they don't suffer because they are ignorant are ignorant of their ignorance. Thats a dangerous level to be at.

 

.......bware has a point about faith...its an essential part of human cognition to wonder into the territory of the crouching mystery called existence.....

True. Maybe science will prove it one day. I said before my theory in the religion topic, but that got slandered because people refused to read it.

[General Leang 0]

[Again thats down to a matter of opinion.

 

Okay, well would you say Hitler would be in heaven? I believe he was religious and is the second biggest monster in history who met his end by committing suicide.

[Hybrid 0]

[Again thats down to a matter of opinion.

 

Okay, well would you say Hitler would be in heaven? I believe he was religious and is the second biggest monster in history who met his end by committing suicide.

 

Hitler was possibly a roman catholic and to many fascists they supported hitler because they believed in him. Again opinion.

 

I don't see how heaven comes into this. From the christian point of view god judges you before you enter heaven, although personally i believe you are your own judge. If you allow yourself to be ruled by ego, desire and corrupt yourself you corrupt your spirit. It does not mean you cannot refind your spirituality again.

 

Even star wars had that philosophy. Especially with anakin skywalker who was misled by the fear of loss. How can you lose something when you have nothing to gain? Gain is just an aspect of this physical world. Ego corrupts the spirit. At the end of star wars anakin turned back to the light and saved himself.

[BWare 0]

Even star wars had that philosophy. Especially with anakin skywalker who was misled by the fear of loss. How can you lose something when you have nothing to gain? Gain is just an aspect of this physical world. Ego corrupts the spirit. At the end of star wars anakin turned back to the light and saved himself.

:lol:

 

Hybrid, dude... you just lost any credibility you may have had

[Hybrid 0]

How so? Star Wars is great at showing the corruptability of the human soul. Leangs argument had nothing to do with the division of opinion. If i get arguments based on unrelated things what else could i do? Post something that explains a better view of the human mind and soul in a context that everyone understands. Its unlikely that people have not seen star wars, and its one of the best philosophical bunch of films ever made.

[General Leang 0]

Hybrid, dude... you just lost any credibility you may have had

 

I think he will argue absolutely everything until we say what he wants to hear.

[Acerz492 1]

Agreed :roll:

 

Best just to ignore him.

[Hybrid 0]

I think he will argue absolutely everything until we say what he wants to hear.

ROFL, again it goes back to opinion. I don't wish to hear you say anything, i will only say what i feel needs to be said. I dislike the arrogance of "i'm right, your wrong." I've said before, there are no rights and wrong in human society we make the rules and that power corrupts us.

 

I also dislike the basic view of religion. Religion is a control, as mass control, always has been and most likely always will be however there are far more corruptable things that allow others to misuse power.

[General Leang 0]

You know, I just figured it out. You figured you would imitate the hippies on the South Park episode Die Hippy Die, right? Look at it, saying how we play into the corporate game, using us so they can make money. They work with the government in order to take down everything that is nice. Corporation profits are channeled into the war machine and they make it look all good to fool people. You pretty much quote what they say.

[Doctor Destiny 41]

Hybrid, we all agree that power corrupts indefinitely. It's inherent to human nature. However, there has to be right anf wrong in society otheriwse we'd be living in total disarray. There would be chaos on a scale like you've never seen. I don't really think anyone wants to see that so someone has to have some sort of power.

 

Religion is a way to explain things that go beyond the scope of science. While I don't believe in it myself, you can't really call it mind control since it's just a way for people to explain things we cannot. Faith isn't about mind control or any belief... it's really about rationalizing your own existance and living your life in the best way possible.

[Acerz492 1]

Summed up beautifully, Fenring.

[BWare 0]

Yeah, it is a good summary Fen... I basically totally agree.

 

One point that I want to finally get rid of that Hybrid continues to use:

"Opinions cause more death/destruction/general badness than wars"

This is an incredibly stupid point on many, many levels....

 

...and here's why: Wars and opinions are not separate, unrelated entities.... once again, Hybrid, you're guilty of elemental, silly thinking that's helplessly rooted in semantics. Opinions can cause wars, wars can change opinions, etc... it's all very complicated. So to say that "Opinions cause more death than wars" is just, well, idiotic. Wars are often the result of opinion, so the very premise of the argument is completely flawed.

 

Bottom line, I don't want to see you use that garbage point again... because it just really, really bothers me. I'm sure you see what I mean.

[Hybrid 0]

Hybrid, we all agree that power corrupts indefinitely. It's inherent to human nature. However, there has to be right anf wrong in society otheriwse we'd be living in total disarray.

Of course fen, but your all not reading what i am saying. Are your minds really that imprisoned you only look at one point of view? That is SOCIETY, our own RULES. Society is just a human illusion created by our intelligence and senses. It's beyond logical.

 

There would be chaos on a scale like you've never seen. I don't really think anyone wants to see that so someone has to have some sort of power.

If everyone taught people truths and experience for wisdom and lived by open minded philosophies there would be no need to have "some sort of power." People are taught in falsehoods, we live under a scope of "government," which means to CONTROL.

 

Religion is a way to explain things that go beyond the scope of science. While I don't believe in it myself, you can't really call it mind control since it's just a way for people to explain things we cannot.

I never said faith was mind control. I myself believe there God exists in an infinite form and forms the infinite universe. Either way religion can help many people, but i'm saying the literal effect of it and the literal view of its reality is to control.

 

Faith isn't about mind control or any belief... it's really about rationalizing your own existance and living your life in the best way possible.

I think i've already made a post before on rationalizing your own existence fenny boy Not that i need to be told about this. Faith is good because it leads to stronger hope. Hope is good because it can relight the candles of love and respect.

 

You know, I just figured it out.

Was i really that puzzling?

 

You figured you would imitate the hippies on the South Park episode Die Hippy Die, right? Look at it, saying how we play into the corporate game, using us so they can make money. They work with the government in order to take down everything that is nice. Corporation profits are channeled into the war machine and they make it look all good to fool people. You pretty much quote what they say.

Holy ****! You hit the nail on the head! Nice one.

 

Opinions cause more death/destruction/general badness than wars"

This is an incredibly stupid point on many, many levels....

Of course it was... Wars are not started on opinion, they are started because no one thinks right? Holy **** that is opinion. Everyone being told by the media what their opinions are, what their reality is, how they should live their life, what products they should by, how they should consume their poisoned food or poisoned water supply.

 

Opinion is a wide scope my friend. Are your opinions really yours? Or are they controlled by the illusion of society? Wars are started because of conflict in interests and opinions. Nothing else. Thats what started World War II, hitlers opinion was that his "race" deserved to rule the world, our opinion was that this would interfere with capitalism and we could not let that happen.

 

Opinions can cause wars, wars can change opinions, etc... it's all very complicated. So to say that "Opinions cause more death than wars" is just, well, idiotic. Wars are often the result of opinion, so the very premise of the argument is completely flawed.

So you just explained everything i have already said but in more expanded terms? Glad your finally getting me.

 

Bottom line, I don't want to see you use that garbage point again... because it just really, really bothers me. I'm sure you see what I mean.

I will repeat, Opinions have caused more death than any war ever. Opinions cause division in society, they cause others poverty because of ignorance, they cause others to become power and corrupt because again of ignorance. That seems enough and its all i have to say.

 

BTW, why is the 3rd world starving? Whats causing that? Is it their inability to manage their economies? Or is it greedy corporations and elitists believing their will and opinions are far better than those of the people?

[General Leang 0]

BTW, why is the 3rd world starving? Whats causing that? Is it their inability to manage their economies? Or is it greedy corporations and elitists believing their will and opinions are far better than those of the people?

 

Ever heard of Mugabe and Adid?

[BWare 0]

Can't... take... the pseudo-intellectualism... any more.... :roll:

 

Holy cow Hybrid. Okay, now tell me something... if you're so hung up on the evil "elite" and the impoverished, victimized (:roll:) third world, then why don't you sell the computer you're using right now (quite a luxury considering the state of the world, you elitist pig), and give it to the impoverished third world (where it surely won't line the pockets of their evil and corrupt leaders :roll:). And man... your double-speak about wars and opinions is just ridiculous. Do us all a favor and just quit while you're not too far behind. :roll:

[F15pilotX 4]

I will repeat, Opinions have caused more death than any war ever.

So, if I have an opinion, it will cause more death than the Civil War did?? :roll: :lol: Plain stupid

[General Leang 0]

Holy cow Hybrid. Okay, now tell me something... if you're so hung up on the evil "elite" and the impoverished, victimized (:roll:) third world, then why don't you sell the computer you're using right now (quite a luxury considering the state of the world, you elitist pig), and give it to the impoverished third world (where it surely won't line the pockets of their evil and corrupt leaders :roll:).

 

And on that note, I thought I would share a line I love from The Simpsons.

 

"So burn the flag if you must, but before you do, you better burn a few other things! You better burn your shirt and your pants! Be sure to burn yur TV and your car! Oh, yes, and don't forget to burn your house because none of those things could exist without six white stripes, seven red stripes, and a hell of a lot of stars!"

[BWare 0]

Hahaha... a great quote from the best show of all time :wink:

[GeneralZ 0]

i love that show.....Fox Channel 7:00 at night everyday

[Doctor Destiny 41]

Of course fen, but your all not reading what i am saying. Are your minds really that imprisoned you only look at one point of view? That is SOCIETY, our own RULES. Society is just a human illusion created by our intelligence and senses. It's beyond logical.

Society is an illusion? All of the relationships between us are just falsehoods? You're getting less and less credible by the minute. If you define society, it turns out to be the social relationships between humans or among a specific group. It's not an illusion. It is very, very real. If anyone here is imprisoned, it would be you, not me.

 

If everyone taught people truths and experience for wisdom and lived by open minded philosophies there would be no need to have "some sort of power." People are taught in falsehoods, we live under a scope of "government," which means to CONTROL.

If you want to live in an anarchist society, go make your own country without limits and see how well it functions. Nothing would ever be completed, no one would do anything for fear of their life if you have no limits on behavior. A degree of control is necessary to prevent utter chaos and disorder and whether you choose to understand that concept is not my concern.

 

I never said faith was mind control. I myself believe there God exists in an infinite form and forms the infinite universe. Either way religion can help many people, but i'm saying the literal effect of it and the literal view of its reality is to control.

Literally everything in life is about control. Childhood, employment, beliefs, life in general. Everything is under a degree of control. Some very less so than others but the fact remains that everything is controlled in one way or another.

[BWare 0]

You are absolutely right there Fenring.

 

Ditto.

 

 

 

Seriously though... your "(insert universally accepted truth) is an illusion" bit is really getting old. Go get a job and start living in the real world, k?

See how well your "philosophies" work out for you in real life. :roll:

[F15pilotX 4]

And on that note, I thought I would share a line I love from The Simpsons.

 

"So burn the flag if you must, but before you do, you better burn a few other things! You better burn your shirt and your pants! Be sure to burn yur TV and your car! Oh, yes, and don't forget to burn your house because none of those things could exist without six white stripes, seven red stripes, and a hell of a lot of stars!"

Hybrid, take that, and MEMORIZE IT!!!

you need to :roll:

[GeneralZ 0]

amen .............

[Dr. Rodney McKay 0]

Wow...

 

Hybrid, like everyone else said, you're losing credibility.