Is C&C4 losing its seriousness?

[Silverthorn 0]

Ever since the release of the screenshots, I'm sure many of you are not pleased, even when I was at the Den, there are tons of negative feedback coming from the people who commented there. But first, I'm NOT instantly jumping into conclusions yet, this thread may change when APOC comes in to give us some corrections & answers based on the problems below.

 

So I'm asking you all this, is C&C4 losing its seriousness?

 

My answer is YES, I thought EA is improving, but apparently it's getting worse when I was reading the negative feedbacks coming from both the Den & here, and I'm sure that the official forums will be all blasted with tons of negative feedbacks as well. Here are my prediction (Not all that 100% true) of what EA is currently doing with C&C4 :

 

FMV : Promised to be better and more action as written in the French magazine, but it's probably a marketing gimmick, and it'll end up as the same result as last time.

CGI : Still remains lacking as the budget will touch on hiring tons of celebrities. Outsourcing is still their primary choice.

Gameplay : Gameplay is losing its seriousness, not just the units we saw, but as well as the bottom bar they are using. Moreover, pure online only!

Visuals : From the looks of the screenshots, I can see it's more like back to C&C3 but updated. I don't see tons of Tiberium infestation like TS was, the game itself is on a knife edge, or worse, balancing on the sword blade instead. Back to the crappy blue & yellow zones!

Boxart : I scared they will never use the Soldier's Head and will end up drawing some crappy ones, WORSE, here comes the return of the copy & paste!

Soundtracks : I'm confident it should be ok, but when Frank Klepacki is around, EA's remix policies will come in to interfere. Imagine listening to Instinct 2 or Warfare 2 which has the Tiberian Dawn feel instead of being brand new & shiny.

Special Editions : I have no clue what they are doing, but my prediction is downloadables, no pewterine goodies, no pendants, bla bla bla. Stingy stingy!

 

I hate to say it, even for you Sonic, EA is still taking the franchise lightly even if they say it's in good hands. You can't 100% believe what they say, you may never know that their so called "love" is not really serious as it should be. Will the upcoming BCPT episode cheer us up? Will APOC help to cheer us up as well?

 

Oh Westwood, oh, Brett Sperry & Adam Isgreen. Where are you when we need you?!

Edited July 20, 2009 by Silverthorn

[Luk3us 63]

You assume a lot from what little information we have. I'd say you should chill out before your head explodes.

 

Wait till BCPT and the Community Summit information comes out.

 

 

 

And if afterwards we discover they have butchered C&C4 into some stupid DOW2 piece of **** then, and only then, will we demand blood! >

[Silverthorn 0]

That's why I said, I don't jump this into conclusion just yet & to wrap this one up. So all we got to do is to wait for the upcoming trailer and BCPT.

 

Seriously, I'm really worried that they still do not want to follow Westwood's footsteps. They don't want to be like the new Westwood, they want to be themselves, the terrible selves.

[Sonic 296]

All right fine you want the truth? Here goes.

 

I'm not worried, I'm not afraid about the new direction EALA is heading with C&C 4. Why? Because I don't really care. In the end its just a game. And since I choose look at it with a positive attitude I see great things with C&C 4. Rather than you doom and gloomers who simply can except anything EALA produce. You have this unreachable plateau that determines what makes a good C&C game and you all keep referencing how Westwood did things.

 

Lets look at your list Silverthorn. This should give an idea on how I see things....

• FMV: Based on the style they are aiming for they should be good. All depends on the actors though. And you don't need big famous names. We have the most important one already confirmed for the game - Joe Kucan as Kane!
• CGI: I don't see this as big issue. You keep going on about outsourcing. Lots companies do it. Standard business practice these days.
• Gameplay: Can't comment, haven't played it
• Visuals: I've seen so many comment on how the game looks. It looks fine in the first EA released screen shot (APOC took that screen shoot by the way). Now people are saying C&C4 looks worse now based on those crap scans from PC Jeux. Here's the thing about those scans. They are taken from a magazine and none of the quality is shown in magazine screen shots anyway. The scans are bad. Plus this is mostly likely an alpha build of the game, all the fancy visuals are turned off (EG AA).
• Boxart: I'm sure whatever they come with will do the job. Its a box, you look at once then add to the rest on the shelf.
• Soundtracks: Assuming its the same group from RA3, with or with out Frank I'm sure the will deliver a great soundtrack. EA are aware of how the music should be presented now.
• Special Editions: I'd like to see improvement in this area. No further comment though.

Yeah I've seen the negative feedback here at CNCNZ.com, on CNC Den and the Official Forums but its really nothing new to me. I've been up and down this road many times.

 

I know what you guys are thinking. You all sit there and bitch and moan about what EALA is doing to C&C, thinking they don't care what the fans think, they don't listen to you guys and they are only out to make money. Well guess what they do care, they do listen, and holy **** forgive them if they want to turn a profit

 

In the end I'm letting EALA make the game how they feel it should be made. I took the same approach with RA3 and I think that game turned out great.

[Malevolence 6]

• FMV: Click Here for my comment.
• CGI: As above.
• Gameplay: Wait and see. Click Here to suggest your idea.
• Visuals: It'll probably look like RA3 without the cartoonish coloring effect. Wishing to see more haze, more weather add-ons effect, and more dusty effect to the whole game. I never believe blue zone can survive that last war. So I'll expect blue zones to be devastated as well.
• Boxart: Click Here for my comment. Click Here to contribute your ideas in that thread.
• Soundtracks: Click Here for my comment. Click Here to contribute your ideas in that thread.
• Special Editions: Click Here for my comment. Click Here to contribute your ideas in that thread.

 

P.S. Geez, it took me quite a while to compile the links.

 

An inspiration hit me. Maybe I should create a parody thread on "How to make C&C fanboys scream in C&C4; List them down HERE!". Say ok and I'll do it.

Edited July 20, 2009 by Malevolence

[Silverthorn 0]

True, I'm really worried that they might take the entire franchise lightly, look at those screenshots, is that how they deliver? Did they put themselves into our shoes?

 

EDIT : Just the recent news arrives while I was at the Den, "Too Early To Judge C&C4?" by Lion.

 

http://www.cncden.com/index.php?subaction=...mp;ucat=22&

Edited July 20, 2009 by Silverthorn

[Inferno 22]

All right fine you want the truth? Here goes.

 

I'm not worried, I'm not afraid about the new direction EALA is heading with C&C 4. Why? Because I don't really care. In the end its just a game. And since I choose look at it with a positive attitude I see great things with C&C 4. Rather than you doom and gloomers who simply can except anything EALA produce. You have this unreachable plateau that determines what makes a good C&C game and you all keep referencing how Westwood did things.

 

Lets look at your list Silverthorn. This should give an idea on how I see things....

• FMV: Based on the style they are aiming for they should be good. All depends on the actors though. And you don't need big famous names. We have the most important one already confirmed for the game - Joe Kucan as Kane!
• CGI: I don't see this as big issue. You keep going on about outsourcing. Lots companies do it. Standard business practice these days.
• Gameplay: Can't comment, haven't played it
• Visuals: I've seen so many comment on how the game looks. It looks fine in the first EA released screen shot (APOC took that screen shoot by the way). Now people are saying C&C4 looks worse now based on those crap scans from PC Jeux. Here's the thing about those scans. They are taken from a magazine and none of the quality is shown in magazine screen shots anyway. The scans are bad. Plus this is mostly likely an alpha build of the game, all the fancy visuals are turned off (EG AA).
• Boxart: I'm sure whatever they come with will do the job. Its a box, you look at once then add to the rest on the shelf.
• Soundtracks: Assuming its the same group from RA3, with or with out Frank I'm sure the will deliver a great soundtrack. EA are aware of how the music should be presented now.
• Special Editions: I'd like to see improvement in this area. No further comment though.

Yeah I've seen the negative feedback here at CNCNZ.com, on CNC Den and the Official Forums but its really nothing new to me. I've been up and down this road many times.

 

I know what you guys are thinking. You all sit there and bitch and moan about what EALA is doing to C&C, thinking they don't care what the fans think, they don't listen to you guys and they are only out to make money. Well guess what they do care, they do listen, and holy **** forgive them if they want to turn a profit

 

In the end I'm letting EALA make the game how they feel it should be made. I took the same approach with RA3 and I think that game turned out great.

Amen, brother.

[hagren 0]

Bwaha, tell me Silverthorn, what has the UI have to do with seriousness? If anything, the new UI looks far more militaristic and simplistic than before, which in return means it's more realistic and serious.

Edited July 20, 2009 by hagren

[cnc_sage 0]

I believe Silverthorn was referring to the fact that the UI was placed at the bottom rather than on the right side of the screen where it should be.

[hagren 0]

That I know- but is a bottom bar less serious? Funny, even?

[Wildshield 0]

LoL... I could just imagine as a April Fools joke on a beta release where one of the units is a angry C&C fan. when you click on him he just pisses and moans about everything.

 

* dude, these graphics suck

* common, you call that a tank?

* wake me up after the music puts me to sleep

* why cant I make a base the way I want

* who's the new hot chick?

 

Hell, I think that would just be... funny.

[Mighty BOB! 5]

I wouldn't say it is losing its seriousness. I would say (and have said) that it is just changing into something else (that I don't particularly like).

[Gben 20]

Geez, and I thought CNCNZ was down on C&C4, but the Den is a mire of foul language, ill-conceived posts, and general nonsense.

I did like one or two of the comments though...

 

posted by ozwally @ 20 Jul 2009 06:10 pm

I think it was fine how they removed ore from RA3, didnt mind that and it was a nice change, though I think for cnc4 they should stick with old fashined harvesting, afterall the resource of tiberium is one of the focal points of the game. Remove it and it'd be like removing the starship enterprise from start trek lol

 

posted by Ace @ 20 Jul 2009 06:32 pm

Even generals wasn't as crazy messed up cnc game compared to this.....

 

posted by Derpdroppedtheball @ 20 Jul 2009 03:03 pm

Umm, the ones asking for all the "changes" that people are saying the "community" has been demanding are generally newer players coming late in the game. Most of us stereotyped "complainers" want a game that stays true to C&C without "innovating" itself right out the C&C title they force upon it. I'm sorry but you say to wait?

 

We have some "for sure" elements to work with now. First MCVs/Con yards = GONE. Second classic harvesting of resources = GONE. Third not only did they remove the harvesting but allowed their desire to remove classic harvesting to actually drive the entire story in a completely unbelievable direction, where the horrifically destructive tiberium is magically harnessed by GDI and a friendly Kane for the greater good. Next, a classic C&C staple, the engineer.. well if it's not gone it should be, because it will be almost useless aside from repairing bridges or taking refineries. In the same respect say goodbye to the classic C4 armed C&C commandos they are just fancy hard counters to infantry now, if they even still exist. Bases entirely.. *waves goodbye*.

 

posted by smurfbizkit @ 20 Jul 2009 10:59 am

I think its perfectly fine to complain about the graphics in C&C4. Look at EA's recent track record, they have never done any major overhauls in the graphics. The most we've seen is minor changes (tiberium size changed, zone trooper redo, apoc tank redo).

 

The only big things that they have shown to change is map lighting, and global graphical changes (like redoing water's visuals).

 

And following on from that, once they start releasing stuff to the public, very little actually changes. EALA made some minor skin changes, ****pits and helmets. From memory the only major change they made was the blue tiberium, but I seem to remember Saracen claiming credit for one change at least. So we actually have a very strong indication of what the final game will look like. They are not asking for our feedback on possible design directions, they are releasing their plans.

 

Therefore unless we strongly, without hestitation, and in the most clearest terms express our reaction we have no hope of influencing major ommissions. Personal attacks, and harping on about Westwood, are the sort of comments that surely would get ignored!

 

(Almost 90-95% of my complaints would evaporate if they simply made this a spin-off and not the epic-conclusion to the series. Or even if the location was moved to an alien world... crawlers and pre-determined ore refinery's could easily be explained and incorporated into the fiction that way!)

[Malevolence 6]

That I know- but is a bottom bar less serious? Funny, even?

 

What he meant was... it's bloody ridiculous! So ridiculous to the point of being lame, get what he meant?

[Red Blitzkrieg 0]

I think it's just as serious as it's ever been. Heck it looks freaking awesome.

[Guest Stevie_K]

Sonic sorry, but I have to say this. I don't see it as moaning and complaining. In the end an opinion is an opinion and it's a human right to state yours.

Besides, this is a forum and it's meant for discussion. And I really appreciate that you put your time and effort in this brilliant site.

 

I have big confidence in this "No Bases" step EA is taking, since I doubt they would take it without making it really neat. Loosing it's seriousness? no, that trailer was dead serious!

I really like everything I have seen so far including video, scrappy pictures and even the info with confirmations. And I fear these eight months will be some of the longest Iv'e had

 

[Malevolence 6]

I think its alright to moan and complain, and also criticize. The issue is we sure won't want some crazy folks abusing this "Freedom of speech" by posting absolute nonconstructive hate/flame elements and end up saying a particular company su**s to the core. I mean, what the hell was that, right?

 

Everyone can voice whatever they want to say, as long as it is constructive and worth discussing one way or another.

 

My logic is as follows: If you want to moan, complain, criticize, always back that up with good/decent feasible suggestion(s).

[Tehnloss 2]

FMV : Promised to be better and more action as written in the French magazine, but it's probably a marketing gimmick, and it'll end up as the same result as last time.

It isn't only marketing gimmick, the reporters of PC Jeux have saw a FMV of CnC4.

[Malevolence 6]

It isn't only marketing gimmick, the reporters of PC Jeux have saw a FMV of CnC4.

 

They have started filming FMVs already?

[hagren 0]

It isn't only marketing gimmick, the reporters of PC Jeux have saw a FMV of CnC4.

Well, what did they say about the FMVs?

 

[Silverthorn 0]

They did? If they do, hopefully not the casts doesn't contain any of those Hollywood celebrities, we don't need them! John Cena for the FMV, we can accept that, if Ric Flair can, why not Cena?

[Tehnloss 2]

@Malevolence

Yea, off course, for exemple in the trailer we can see a FMV.

 

@hagren

MMmm... It was a WIP cinematic of the Nod campain where our commandant (we will see the scene trough his eyes) escapes from a GDI prison, that's all, but they said it was look good.

[Malevolence 6]

You can't solely use the 1st trailer as an evidence that the FMVs have been filmed. Only Joe Kucan had been confirmed in the C&C4 cast, but the rest are not confirmed yet.