Starcraft 2 = C&C rip-off?

[PurpleGaga27 40]

Looks like there are some C&C users for crying out loud at Blizzard stealing some C&C material:

http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum...list/43134.page

 

Do you agree or disagree with this?

 

There's one thing that EALA failed but Blizzard did it just like ex-Westwood did in C&C3 (the Westwood version): the click and drag box with a color shading background inside (just like most OS have). No RTS game other than SCII has this.... and also weird when I watched some SCII replays in YouTube, the color of that click and drag box is the same as C&C3/KW!! I still have yet to find a way for that click and drag box in C&C3 to get a shading background inside the box.

 

As of now, Company of Heroes is still the most unique RTS game in the field. Why? The game engine and the point of view positions.

Edited August 2, 2010 by purplescrin

[Doctor Destiny 41]

And no one in that thread had any substance. Just like I thought. Fanboys stupidly bashing another game for being good. Lovely.

[Luk3us 63]

SC2's campaign is easily the best SP experience I have ever experienced in ANY RTS game BAR NONE!It ****s all over C&C and is so much more indepth and polished than anything EA could ever produce.

 

As far as game play, its solid. That's it, its not trying to be fancy, its not trying to be innovative its simply doing what it does and doing it very, very well. Far to many RTS games try and use fancy gimmicks (COUGH C&C4 DISASTER) and end up being half assed.

[Guest Stevie_K]

Hehe. This is just stupid.

 

The things the first guy mentions with the installation, transforming units and the unit previews are things anyone could easily have come up with under the development of SCII. It doesn't require a genius to get such ideas, and as long as EA does not have direct patent on these things, other development teams are going to realize these ideas as well, regardless if it's seen before. That's how this industry is, and it's seen with 90% of all releases.

 

Starcraft II is epic, leave it alone.

[Sonic 296]

The official C&C forums.... I'll give that link a miss thanks. Because that forum is full of cry babies and over reacting fan boys.

 

They can make whatever claims they want, anything they say is total bull****.

[recover 2]

Good artists copy, great artists steal.

[Ferret 0]

Totally disagree...

[recover 2]

Oh noes, SC2 owes everything to C&C. I find this topic very ridiculous.

 

Also, Sonic, beware of tribalism.

[Chronojam 3]

Don't act like this is new, or should not be a surprise. Blizzard (and Valve, but that's for another topic) is very good at producing derivative works. They're not exactly the folks who invented the RTS genre here, and "____Craft = C&C Ripoff?" has been a catchphrase for over a decade. I mean, we even got an FPS-flavored taste of "Ghost = Renegade?" back when both were going to be awesome PS2 games years ago!

 

I believe I heard that an RA3 dev went to the SC2 team, and the Viking is remarkably similar to the Mecha Tengu

 

You'd have to be an abject retard to think there is not definite cross-pollination, to think that each game exists in a vaccuum and this is pure convergent evolution, or to think people are stupid for seeing similarities. But Starcraft 2, to me, is primarily a Starcraft ripoff as far as its flaws go... then again, that's neither here nor there.

[Sonic 296]

Oh noes, SC2 owes everything to C&C. I find this topic very ridiculous.

Arguably, if Westwood never redefined (or is that created) the RTS genre with C&C in 1995 they would be no Starcaft. That's something I've always believed anyway.

 

And it wouldn't surprise me if their we some C&C like coincidences in Starcraft II. Isn't the lead designer or whatever, Dustin Browder? He left EA after Generals/Zero to work at Blizzard. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Also, Sonic, beware of tribalism.

Why should I beware of that? Kind of missing your point there

[Doctor Destiny 41]

ahem. Blizzard's RTS days predate C&C by a good year and a half. Blizzard was well established in their ways already.

[dbjs2009 25]

The official C&C forums.... I'll give that link a miss thanks. Because that forum is full of cry babies and over reacting fan boys.

 

I agree, There's a lot of them too ..

[Inferno 22]

ahem. Blizzard's RTS days predate C&C by a good year and a half. Blizzard was well established in their ways already.

Westwood's Dune II started it all. But let's not go there, Starcraft II is just awesome.

[Nyerguds 102]

yeah... Blizzard might predate C&C, but it doesn't predate WW RTS... so that's completely irrelevant.

 

And who invented the RTS genre has nothing to do with this discussion. In the end, it all boils down to what they make of the RTS genre. And Blizzard certainly knows what to make of it. They don't need to rip off anything.

 

Also, there's only a finite amount of ideas in the world. It's not surprising if some of those seem similar if you start comparing them.

[Sonic 296]

ahem. Blizzard's RTS days predate C&C by a good year and a half. Blizzard was well established in their ways already.

Hey I did say arguably Westwood's C&C brought RTS into the mainstream like Doom did for FPS games.

 

In the end Starcraft 2 is a very good game, getting rave reviews and a massive amount sales.

[recover 2]

The official C&C forums.... I'll give that link a miss thanks. Because that forum is full of cry babies and over reacting fan boys.

 

They can make whatever claims they want, anything they say is total bull****.

That is tribalism.

[Sonic 296]

That is tribalism.

Doubt it, more like stereotyping. I can't help it if the official forums are a total disorganised chaotic mess.... hence why I hardly visit them. Only ever read APOC's posts.

[Inferno 22]

No by tribalism he means fanboys of C&C and Starcraft verbally slaughtering each other.

[Doctor Destiny 41]

When don't fanboys of different series verbally bash each other? I mean really.

[Guest Stevie_K]

In the end, it all boils down to what they make of the RTS genre. And Blizzard certainly knows what to make of it. They don't need to rip off anything.

 

True that.

 

It's impossible to make two hammers that have different structure and functions. They will to some degree be similar no matter what... Same goes with the RTS genre, and most other genres for that matter.

[PurpleGaga27 40]

Well it gets even more weirder than that. Someone is comparing SCII to C&C4:

http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum...list/43015.page

[Guest Stevie_K]

They are way too different to be compared that way.

[Doctor Destiny 41]

There is no comparison. C&C4 is trash compared to SC2. Doesn't mean C&C4 is intrinsically bad, but it's just dead weight against SC2.

[Chronojam 3]

C&C4 actually is bad, with very low production values (literally).

[Doctor Destiny 41]

That's still just opinion though. There are people who actually do enjoy C&C4, if you can believe that. Even I don't think it's bad. It's just... unremarkable.