The Hitler Downfall

[J-Fire_Man 0]

Special for people who lives in German. Does anyone know this great movie? I just seen the clip and it's GREAT. When will this movie to be released? Is there will be the English version of this movie? Do you now some link to good sites which has bunch of infos about this movie?

 

Please tell me. I will buy the DVD/VCD as soon as it's released. It's so rare to see documentary movie about Hitler. And I heard this is the first Hitler documentary movie. Showing the human side of Hitler.....ohh damn, I really wanted to watch this movie.

[ruthless.com 0]

THis is going to be interesting...

[J-Fire_Man 0]

Yeah, very interesting, the appearance of Hitler's human side.

[Saracen 16]

Despite what history makes of him, he wasn't all bad. The media and historians want you to think he was 100% ruthless and angered with Anti-semitism all the time...

 

But Hitler was "apparently" a paranoid Schitzophrenic, or extremely depressed. The reason why you won't find it in any history textbook is because that has the potential today to destroy his title as an evil dictator. The result to history could be catastrophic, since mental health research suggest even the friendliest people can turn evil due to extreme depression or Schitzophrenia.

 

Cos Hitler was human, he had a caring side, he loved gardening for god's sake! He'd melt at the sight of a cute puppy, he'd cry if something upset him. This was the other side of his split personality.

 

If you've ever seen the private videos of him in his mountain top castle mansion, he was a polite man, who loved to socialise, drink and dance. Far from the man of steel who you see in public videos, alot of it was an act.

 

Sure he had hatred, and killed 6 million innocent people which quite frankly disgusts me, but hitler, he's not all he's cracked up to be you know. The guy loved Britain, he never wanted to go to war with Britain, he found the people there polite and friendly and even respected Churchill very highly. We forced him to war so he could protect his own ass. Simple as that....

 

It sounds like I'm sticking up for the guy, but the fact remains, history has depicted him as pure evil at all times... he was only like that when in public. I've read "Mein Kampf" through pure interest to see how his mind ticked psychologically. Although it was alot of Nazi propaganda, and full of hate for the jews, it does expose the reasons why he was aiming to do what he did, and certain truths about himself which are not lies.

 

That is the reason "Mein Kampf" is banned, those who are extremists will automatically ignore the crap and get sucked in with the racial hatred. But if your like me and with an open mind, forgetting any morals you may have and staying neutral, you find out more about the man than you think.

[Saracen 16]

Special for people who lives in German. Does anyone know this great movie? I just seen the clip and it's GREAT. When will this movie to be released? Is there will be the English version of this movie? Do you now some link to good sites which has bunch of infos about this movie?

 

I found the movie, very suprised that it's a german film cos they hate to talk about the war and their history. But this movie does explain everything that I mentioned above. It's called "The Downfall". I've picked out a few Site's on this movie which can be seen below...

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3593608.stm

http://ubb.empireonline.co.uk/showthreaded...amp;o=&vc=1

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...24/ixworld.html

 

There was also a British production shown on TV about Hitler's life that's come on DVD... Robert Carlisle was the part of Hitler.. I've never seen it, but it's meant to be very good... an example can be see here: http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=5734

 

Just watching the trailer now...

 

Very interesting, by what I gathered from the trailer, and my German is very rusty it's centred alot on the fall of Berlin and several times the words "the end is near" and "How will we survive the end" are commonplace. Even Hitler mentioning he's "scared" there is alot of emotion in the dialogue in the trailer by the tone of the actors voices and the words I managed to pick out... it'll be interesting to watch it.

[General Leang 0]

There is another movie you might want to chase down. Hitler: The Rise of Evil. Hitler is played by Robert Carlyle (The Full Montey, The World is not Enough) in a powerful and scary portrayal of the man from his youth through to him taking the reigns of the Third Reich. It may be a little anti Hitler for your liking. There are scenes that include Hitler, as a young soldier, abusing a dog when it didn't do as it was told, as well as scenes of mob like violence and executions as the Nazis eliminated their enemies in Germany and Jews being carted off to the concentration camps. The movie is also tied up with what happened to some of the characters of the film, as well as what the Nazis did in the war (Nuremberg, the final solution, medical experiments and execution squads on the Jews).

[J-Fire_Man 0]

Well, I'm totally agree with you. Actually, I'm kinda impressed with Hitler, he commands German full army in WW II. I've seen lots of pics about him that shows his kindness. He is very polite to the kids and he often smile and joking. And I like this thing from him, he never smoking or drinking. When I saw the trailer when he is so depressed when the Allied enter Berlin, he is not like a great dictator for me, he cry and confused, then he commit suicide rather than give surrender to the Allied. But still, killing millions of people, that's....unacceptable.

[General Leang 0]

Certainly, and I am pleased to see that not all Nazis followed along with the holocaust. Irwin Rommel, for example, defected when he became disillusioned with Hitler and his obsession with the Jews. Apparently even with the war all but lost Hitler was trying to hasten their extermination.

[J-Fire_Man 0]

Eventough the war is over, Hitler is still known in all over the world. He is a great man. I wonder why he killed so many jews, what's wrong with them?

[General Leang 0]

I understand it that Hitler blamed the Jews for the economic recession Germany suffered. I am not sure if it was Hitler himself or some other Nazis, but they were viewed as weak and therefore to be exterminated.

[J-Fire_Man 0]

That's the part I don't like from Hitler.

[Luk3us 63]

Bah.

 

Hitler = Bad.

 

End of story. Say anything else and I question your sanity.

[General Leang 0]

Tell me about it. Despite all the good things you can say about him, his kindness and loyalty to his troops, his way with the Hitler youth, not smoking or drinking, all of that, to call him the worst monster in history is justifiable. I still get creeped out when I see the skull and crossbones that acompanied the achtungwarning to the Jews. If there was a picture of it I would show you, you see it at the end of The Rise of Evil.

[Thierry 0]

Hitler ain't some Evil dictator from Hell, but he sure ain't from heaven.

He killed a lot of ppl and started WW2, and that says enough for me

[J-Fire_Man 0]

He is human, not fom hell or heaven, not an angel or evil.

 

Despite all the good things you can say about him, his kindness and loyalty to his troops, his way with the Hitler youth, not smoking or drinking, all of that, to call him the worst monster in history is justifiable.

That's what I like about Hitler. His great dedication and leadership really impressed me.

 

Hmm....I wonder if Hitler has a still living heir until now. Anyone know his family?

[Saracen 16]

I understand it that Hitler blamed the Jews for the economic recession Germany suffered. I am not sure if it was Hitler himself or some other Nazis, but they were viewed as weak and therefore to be exterminated.

 

Hitler was blaming Jews way before the 1929 wall street crash, and even before the treatey of versaille crippled Germany. As I said the reasons for his hatred can be found in "Mein Kampf", if remember what I did with the copy of it on my computer... his hatred of Jews came in the form of what we experience from Asylum Seekers entering our countries, but on a much larger scale.

 

In "Mein Kampf" Hitler goes to Vienna at the age of 16, and sees first-hand how bad things are, the stench, the poverty, this was something he experienced, but didn't like.. so in the later stage of the second chapter he joins a social-democratic meeting, which got him angered at the way Genermany was treated and it grew love for his own people. This was the catalyst of his hate for anything that opposed Germany and it's close neighbours. So he join the Social Democrats in opposition of the bourgeois. It was only the doctrines of the SD that even made him think about what Jews were to the SD and Germany... as he recalls

 

It was not until I was fourteen or fifteen years old that I frequently ran up against the word ‘Jew’, partly in connection with political controversies. These references aroused a slight aversion in me, and I could not avoid an uncomfortable feeling which always came over me when I had to listen to religious disputes. But at that time I had no other feelings about the Jewish question.

 

Which is (according to Hitler) proof that he wasn't Jew hating at that time in his life... even right up to where he joined the ideals of the Social Democrats.. even in Vienna at the time he called the Anti-semitism papers there "all empty nonsense"... the thought of such racism made his blood boil..which then raises the question, where did his hatred come from, and how did he change so suddenly? Since his father was a nationalist.

 

I'm not gonna quote from the book on how it happened, as it is strongly racist, but in general Hitler started to notice the difference between people of a christian religion, and those of a Jewish Religion.... Now the profound area of Christianity states that Jews are to be opposed, it's the anti-semitist side of Chritianity that's there, but any christian is ashamed to admit. This was strong in Hitlers mind.

 

He found that those who lived in the squalor of Vienna were all Jews (which is a load of bull**** in my mind but I'll read on). He goes on to say all the Jews he encountered were unsanitary, unwashed, and basically were like tramps. This according to Hitler spread into the culture of life, be it the press or the Arts or whatever. It was a stereotype in his mind that clicked on like a light, he just turned because he was disgusted at poverty, and that poverty was the product and fault of the Jewish Community.

 

Deeper down even more so, he found that when Germany's wars of the pre- 1900's were told about in the world press, they praised France, and smited Gemany... and the writers of this press - Jews. :roll:

 

Now it is here where I think he was either heavily depressed or whatever, cos he goes on to say that the then realised that the Jews were the leaders of Social Democracy.... which goes agains everything he was struggling to understand... but he said his struggle to understand the politic tension of the time, was over.

 

This is turn made him realise that the Social Democrats were not indeed not the idealistic party, but the one responsible for what he saw in Vienna. Hitler was indeed like other Germans, he was confused about the political light he saw... as he explains

 

In my relations with my fellow workmen I was often astonished to find how easily and often they changed their opinions on the same questions, sometimes within a few days and sometimes even within the course of a few hours. I found it difficult to understand how men who always had reasonable ideas when they spoke as individuals with one another suddenly lost this reasonableness the moment they acted in the mass. That phenomenon often tempted one almost to despair. I used to dispute with them for hours and when I succeeded in bringing them to what I considered a reasonable way of thinking I rejoiced at my success. But next day I would find that it had been all in vain. It was saddening to think I had to begin it all over again. Like a pendulum in its eternal sway, they would fall back into their absurd opinions.

 

When he finally got his head round what was happening. Hitler decided that the political tensions, the misleading political climate had to end. Aparently he saw all the faults of Germany and it's neighbours being the responsibility of jews.. So he decided that if you want something done, you have to do it himself... and in the end of chapter 2 of "Mein Kampf" he says.

 

And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. In standing guard against the Jew I am defending the handiwork of the Lord.

 

Just like Osama Bin Laden today, he was a religious fanatic that found the inner workings of a religion that is never shed to light... Hitler found the inner meaning that Christainity is in some part an anti-semitist religion... he applied that to the modern day climate of his country, and found it in his heart to honour gods will to oppose Jews. So he worked on in life planning and working towards that goal

 

NB. All views in this post are pure narration and my own interpretation of "Mein Kampf" None of which refelects my own views. I have had mein Kampf since 1998-99 when I was learning History and wrote something similar to this. I do not support Nazism and never will. All men being born equal.

[General Leang 0]

his hatred of Jews came in the form of what we experience from Asylum Seekers entering our countries, but on a much larger scale.

 

Yes, I remember now. He saw them as pretty much vermin and invaders, taking what he saw rightfully belonged to Germany.

 

So he decided that if you want something done, you have to do it himself...

 

And part of the way he did it, if I recall, was to continually walk out on the German government meetings, which would cause something like a vote to be taken. I forgot what it was exactly. Do you know?

[J-Fire_Man 0]

"Mein Kampf", I downloaded this book months ago. It's a real BIG book when I print it. More than 300 pages. But, it's worth for it. Hitler's diary, very interesting, but I only have read the first chapter, don't have time to read all of them but I will finish reading it. Good for knowledge.

[J-Fire_Man 0]

Duh....I'm beginning to worried if this movie will be released in DVD/VCD. I hope my country won't ban this movie from the movie market. Anyoe know when will this movie be released?

[deathbyair 0]

i saw the movie a couple days ago and it rocks i live in germany and i can speak fluent german

 

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[J-Fire_Man 0]

Me really wants to know about this movie. Haven't sen it yet, I don't know when will it be available here. As i expected, "The Downfall" will be the greatest documenter movie about Adolf Hitler.

[deathbyair 0]

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[J-Fire_Man 0]

You can see my e-mail adress in my profile. Please send me it, I'm really exited witht this movie. And do you know when will this movie showed in Asia. There is no further confirmation about this movie here.