Angles of Death, The Psychopat Doctors of Nazi

[J-Fire_Man 0]

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I just found this site, never know about this before. I thought the concentration camp is horrible already, however, this is even more horrible. Human experiment by the NAZI's doctors, most of the victims were killed, only few of them who survive, and the survivor conditions are horrible.

 

This is like what I've seen in a horror movie. Some creepy doctor torturing stuffs, creepy place, tortured victims, etc.

 

I began even more interested in NAZI's activity and the thule occult society. The NAZI has so many misteries to be revealed.

[chickendippers 1]

Yea, I've been to Auchvits (sp?) the infamous Nazi concentration camp where most of that stuff happened - it's grusome.

[BWare 0]

yeah... Doctor Mengele (the "angel of death") and all them. Crazy stuff. It's interesting... there was a big moral dilemma after WWII when the camps were seized over whether we should use the scientific information gained from the experiments. They weren't just torture, mind you, but experiments mostly to test the limits of human survivability. One could argue that it would be immoral to use the data, because so many suffered, but eventually it was decided that what happened happened, and if some good could possibly come from it then we should use it. Information gathered in the experiments helped America's space program quite a bit, as well as many other things. What do you all think about it?

[J-Fire_Man 0]

Information gathered in the experiments helped America's space program quite a bit, as well as many other things. What do you all think about it?

Stupid.....using the suffering of the NAZI's victims for the American government benefits. But, since I'm not the victims, I don't care. I dunno about the victims, they might will be angry if they know that the NAZI's experiments were used for the American space program. If NASA trully gain benefit from the victims' suffering without thanking to them, that's truelly rude and immoral. It can be said that, if it's true like what you said, the NASA is not much different with the NASA being the successor of the NAZI's doctors.

[.Tiberium.Sparrowhawk 0]

I think that it should be used because (don't get angry at me) even though it was done imoraly and most of the people where murdered after they where tested on, but it was still done. It should be used because it helps the scientists get a vague idea of what would happen under the conditions and that they can't because they would have thier ass's on someones plate for breakfast. If we keep on aguring about these sort of things we won't forget them, ever. It's better to learn from history than make it the Present.

[J-Fire_Man 0]

No matter what, I won't forgot the past. Whoever use the past of someone for their own benefits without calculating the past of the victims', are not human. They think they can use the victim's suffering freely?

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Since the Nazis did all the expiriments, and NASA learned from them, thats no reason to bash NASA. Otherwise how would they have known? If something had happened that could have been prevented by that information, then NASA would have been bashed for not using the information to save lives.

 

The Jappanese used information gathered from Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yet people arent saying that their bad because they got info from a war situation.

[.Tiberium.Sparrowhawk 0]

thank you cygnus, couldn't think of an example that acually would mkae him think....

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Y'know, ship builders learned from the Titanic. Sub builders learned from K-19. Security and police learn from Oklahoma City, WTC, Madrid, and Tokyo. Architects learn from Earthquakes and volcanoes. Air travel companies learned from the Hindenburg

[BWare 0]

Y'know, ship builders learned from the Titanic. Sub builders learned from K-19. Security and police learn from Oklahoma City, WTC, Madrid, and Tokyo. Architects learn from Earthquakes and volcanoes. Air travel companies learned from the Hindenburg

once again, Cygnus is absolutely right on

 

J-Fire, please read the entire post next time... I explained that AMONG OTHER organizations, NASA used the information. It wasn't just America. I used NASA as an EXAMPLE :roll:. My thinking is that we shouldn't look at it like overly-emotional simpletons, but try to realize that if we use the information for the good of man, the suffering of the test subjects wouldn't have been COMPLETELY in vain. If some good can possibly be gleaned from it, then why the hell not?

[Cygnus X-1 12]

My thinking is that we shouldn't look at it like overly-emotional simpletons, but try to realize that if we use the information for the good of man, the suffering of the test subjects wouldn't have been COMPLETELY in vain. If some good can possibly be gleaned from it, then why the hell not?

 

EXACTLY!! Said almost perfectly!

[.Tiberium.Sparrowhawk 0]

Yes rather have a little good come out of it then have thier lives lost in vien.

[apocolyp4 0]

Here an interesting link about the Nasa Nazis that help The US go to the moon http://writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/nasa-nazis.html

 

Von Braun's own admissions in U.S. Army records show that the man NASA touts as a hero was an S.S. major who frequently visited the underground rocket factory where a black American flyer and 25,000 other prisoners from the concentration camp Dora died. During one visit, according to documents shown on CNN, von Braun attended a meeting that discussed rounding up citizens off the streets of France to be brought to Dora.

 

Von Braun's V2 Rocket also killed 2,724 people in Britain. Regardless that he help the US go to the moon he and his associates should have been tried as an war criminals and sentence acordanly.

 

My thinking is that we shouldn't look at it like overly-emotional simpletons, but try to realize that if we use the information for the good of man, the suffering of the test subjects wouldn't have been COMPLETELY in vain. If some good can possibly be gleaned from it, then why the hell not?

 

Have a read of this http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsourc...sm/naziexp.html

 

If it was you or someone you knew would any of you want truthfuly like to think that results of the torture were being used as if it was nothing more a lab experiment on rats.

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If it was you or someone you knew would any of you want truthfuly like to think that results of the torture were being used as if it was nothing more a lab experiment on rats.

Yes. Yes, that would be much better than meaningless torture. A lab rat sure beats a dead rat in a gutter.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

I know someone whose mother was in a concentraion camp.

While I dont know what he would think on this subject, if evil can be put to good use, then go for it. Know that these people who were killed, while it was a brutal crime, in the larger scope of things, helped to save more lives in a latter time. If we keep saying that research is unethical because so-and-so did it, pretty soon we'll be living in the stone age again.

 

Soviet research into chemical weapons was and is used to develop vacines, cures, and anti reactants to these chemicals. With out their research, it could have taken years to form counter-reactants to many chemical agents out there today. There's no telling what would happen in a chemical terrorist attck somewhere if we didnt know how to counter act most of the chemical agents. Even something as comonplace as tear gas. With out the research put into its use in WW1 and research by the Nazis and Soviets, we wouldnt know how to handle it except by whatever happens in the field.

[J-Fire_Man 0]

Yeah, yeah, sorry......I was in angry state back then after reading a controversial article.

 

Anyway, I found that, NAZI won't be created if the Thule Society didn't support Hitler through Himmler. And some rumour said that Hitler is a freemasonry worshipper, but he is not one of the Thule. And the experiments were supported by Himler and the Thule. Experiments using human subjects to accomplish the Thule's objective which I don't know clearly yet. After looking even deeper in WW2, I found that, it's not just NAZI and Hitler who started WW2, but the fact I seen tells me that it was the occult society who started the war by influencing people like Himmler, Mussolini, Hitler, etc. There are still lots of misteries behind NAZI. Eventough it kinda sounds weird.

[Arificial 0]

Yea, I've been to Auchvits (sp?) the infamous Nazi concentration camp where most of that stuff happened - it's grusome.

 

I have too, and the things you have witnessed there are the horrors of war and reality of Pain and suffering.

 

By the way, the spellings "Auschwitz", and the sign in the gate is "Sugein De Sien".

 

EDIT: After reading the person's above explaination, it is not the desired worshipping of Hitler through his dearest followers that have been the starting of the war. It was the desire in which more land and resources that drove the sustaining people in power to create the war. We however, were invoked into the seemingless war of territories and which, we could not have escaped after the cruel inccident in which Pearl Habor was torpedoed, bombed, etc. in Japan's vast effort to industrialize thier once vast and powerful nation.

It was here that Hitler launched his vast war on his own country. He started his fanatical speeches about the "Half-Breeds" and their economy draining ways. He brainwashed the already vulnerable people into thinking his acult was the way of the country and that the once vast and powerful nation was once succeded by the Thurough (sp?) bloods and thier country that has so longed been a country of vast political prowess.

Stalin, however, WAS worshipped. He came from a poor Russian family, in an agricultural community. His father often came home drunk and beat his mother terribly. When he tried to defend his mother, he was often beaten as well. One night, his father came home, more drunk than usual, and instead of beating his mother, he beat Stalin so severly that blood ran through his urin. He also dreade his looks. His left arm in fact, two inches bigger than his right, after a tragic beating by his father. He always tried to be the best, and when he in fact didn't get the best, he would show grudges and beat people savegly.

When the revolution happened in Russia, Stalin became well known. After the revolution and Stalin's leader came to power, he gave stalin a seat of political power. After he died, Stalin used his power to crush his opposition and become leader. He was diagnosed with severe paranioh (sp?) and the doctor's wouldn't tell him as they feared for thier lives. Stalin's aggression would soon be turned against his country as he would stop at nothing to obtain Berlin in the war.

After, that, the records of him seem to be fuzzy, as they offer different stories of the ending of his Soviet Dictatorship.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Lenin did great things for his country (at the time) Stalin was insane. It has been writen (somewhere) that the one thing German troops feared more than the wrath of Hitler was Soviet troops. Whether fueled on by fear of Stalin and his cohorts, or by rage against the Germans for what they had done to the motherland and her people in two World Wars, the Soviet troops were a force to be feared in the last three years of the war. While we focus much on the Nazi war crimes, few rember that the Soviet Union invaded Poland from the East, and that while Hitler killed millions of people, Stalin killed millions of Russians. His own people. It is often wondered by scholars and historians that even though Hitler knew he couldnt win the war, why didnt he sned all his troops to hold the Soviets back while allowing the Americans and British and others to take Berlin. The city would have been in much better shape if taken by the Allied forces, as opposed to being taken by the Soviets, and ravaged in the process.

But Stalin's crimes were far worse than Hitlers. Whether it was bad childhood memories or a deranged mind (or both, as the case may be) Hitler was crazed with the idea of German superiority, Stalin was uterly mad. Hitler ordered the deaths of what, 10 million non Germans in the camps. Stalin killed over 30 million Russians, many for crimes invented against them.

 

A little background of the two most crazed dictators of all time.

[Arificial 0]

The "Crazed dictators" we suffering from severe paranoih, and they had problems trusting anyone. We were ashamed to call Stalin "Comrade".

[KenRae 0]

As horrible as world war II was we wouldn't be where we are without the knowledge that was gained during that period of time. The medical field in general was advanced by the records that were taken from the concentration camps - thus people all over the world benefit from the findings that were captured. The experiments that civilized people could not possibly do because of their terrible nature were actually done by Nazi doctors like Mengele and the others.

 

BTW: The Japanese did plenty of horrible things to POWs, political prisoners, and civilians in the nations that they overran during WW2 also - but no one ever really mentions what they did. We gained knowledge from their experiments also.

 

Everything from electronics, chemistry, physics, industrialization, metallurgy, to biology took a great leap forward during that time period. Much of what we have to day is a result of discoveries and inventions that came about during wartime.

 

PS Cygnus: Stalin had a Hitler obsession that you wouldn't believe... and even Hitler knew "better dead than Red".

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Lenin was the good one, Stalin was the jackass.

[BWare 0]

Lenin was the good one, Stalin was the jackass.

well, they were both commies.....

[Cygnus X-1 12]

True, but Lenin did good for the people, whereas Stalin just killed them and bent them to his will.

[BWare 0]

True, but Lenin did good for the people, whereas Stalin just killed them and bent them to his will.

so Stalin was just more directly evil :wink:

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Would you quit stealing my thoughts?! Its like people are Psychic or something! Geez. Cant you have some respect around here?! Stealing peoples thoughts! Whod a thunk it? :wink:

 

Yeah, thats the core of the issue (directly evil Stalin)

Wonder where Kane :kane: would fit in to all this?