Who would you fight for?

[Mina Synd 0]

think that's good? i got sky+ and sky multiroom XD; but only sky+ on the main tele. which means i have to tape stuff in there while i'm watching something in this room lolol... sucks... i've got night of the living dead to watch (again for the 12th time) n.n; arg why does the horror channel have to show tacky erotic horror (which is neither erotic nor horror) instead of the tacky b-movies and scary films we all love so much (at the one good time when cool movies should be on they show erotic horror. all before they show old old b-movies over and over again, after that they show the repeat of the film before the erotic horror -.-; ) and now Sci-Fi is showing light porn instead of anime or actual scary movies which sucks even more! @_@

[apocolyp4 0]

Yeah it disapointing about sci-fi since puting on porn thats been on channel 5 and the bravo channel before (Im just assuming honest :oops: ) Its not the only channel this has happend to aswell as the same happened to game network which, when it was fir aired was very good with it full of good gaming information not just has those crappy phone ins where people phone in to ask the girl to flash them. But this is what happens when you have to compete for rating with over 400 channels (200 of which are those damn shoping channels that my mum always watched).

[Mina Synd 0]

i know exactly what you mean... did you know they used to show an anime film at 10pm, two anime series' over an hour at about 5am and a lot of damn decent stuff... none of that anymore. and Bravo used to show Battle of the Planets at about 4am o.o watched that for a while...

on the plus side they are showing Jayce & the Wheeled Warriors on one of the catoon network channels!!! maybe toonami or somethin... with DB, DBZ, DBGT an loads more... but Jayce was a main love for me... i was raised on it o.o it's him that made me wanna have red hair (then rogue from X-men killed it for me XD though Jean Grey brought it back again. and i have red hair! yey lol)

[apocolyp4 0]

I remember once they put on the 2 patlabor movies on back to back at 12am and i fell asleep watching the second one luckly I had tape it.

 

Ok back to the topic erm....what was it again? oh yeah I would fight for the allies thats a no brainer as I like my democracy.

[Mina Synd 0]

lolol i stick to my original statements... whatever they were >>;

[Cygnus X-1 12]

You people know RADAR was invented back in 1916 by Nikola Tesla, WHO NIETHER AMERICAN OR BRITISH. But he lived in America

 

AND

 

Theres no point to arguing over whos better. Both of our Empires (thats right, I said it, what now!?) are great and we both have our strengths and weaknesses. And lets not debate who would win if the Americans invaded Canada. Canada would lose pretty quickly, then the Entire British Navy would at our front door with the RAF and the Army, then it would be Hell to no end.

 

Until the nukes hit Britian. Then the rest of the world would take sides and start fighting, and the US would say to let us win or well nuke you all, then all the other countries with nukes would stike too, and we'd all be building radioactive snowmen. The End.

[Mina Synd 0]

*shrugs* well you learn something new every day o.o; til now i thought it was some german guy... oh yah that was their radar version later on with the two morse code lines... nvm kk remember now ^^;

 

an the whole battle thing doesn't bother me much o.o gaming is cool, real war isn't... games don't show the innocent casualties and the war crimes...

[Arificial 0]

That man was absolutley right. Telsa lived in the motherland, and invented the first tesla coil, which was an energy transfer device used in lightbulbs. What do you have, THe internet? Ha, I bet you don't know which of your government facilities invented it.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

The military did way back in the 50's for communication between bases and Universities working on military projects. Obviously it was tremendously slow back then, but still, quite an accomplishment

[Mina Synd 0]

well i didn't. i never claimed to be a genius note the "50's housewife" mentallity mentioned on one of the other boards lol

[Cygnus X-1 12]

If it helps, I didnt invent it either.

[Mina Synd 0]

now i just got to get a time machine and run about asking people that same question you just answered... maybe i'll get it right after a few million lolol

[General immeyourenot 0]

Lets see, fight for the scum of the earth, crazy Hitler & his plans for world domination...

 

Fight for the allied powers, meaning my ass was perfectly safe, while not really playing any major part, like all the allies, waiting for the yanks to boast about what they didnt actually do later...

 

Or fight for the side of a people who truly believed in what they were doing, who sacrificed millions of people for what was right in the war, for a cause they felt strongly for, already sacrificing many after mass industralisation. "We are 50 to 100 years behind the capitalist powers, if we do not make good this difference in 10 years they will crush us" - Josef Stalin, who led his country to defeat Nazi Germany after his 5 year plans.

 

Russia was the only country who played any real role in stopping the Nazis, despite what we are told, the allies actually did very little.

[Leona 0]

Not nescessarily, in some ways Stalin was worse than Hitler.

 

The difference between Stalin & Hitler was that Stalin worked, everyday he would sit down at his desk & do 16-18 hours hard work. Hitler never worked, he had his cronies take care of all his menial tasks while he spent his time on holiday.

 

For this reason none of the actuall deaths of the victims of hitler can be traced back to him, as he never signed any death warrents, he may have ordered the deaths of millions of Jews, who he saw as his enemies, but there is no historical proof.

 

Stalin activly, & knowling signed the death warrents of millions of his OWN people.

 

It is questionable if the Jews were Hitler's own people or not, but he certainly did not believe so. Stalin knew very well that he was murdering his own, paranoia is not an excuse for his actions, even if it was the fuel.

 

Ask yourself who is the real monster there.

[apocolyp4 0]

If Britain didnt hold on and drain lots of the german resources then Hitler could have reached moscow in 1941. Later on Both The US an UK constantly bombed germany day and night which apart from destroying production of weapons also made germany relocate most of their airforce which was needed in the eastern front.

[General immeyourenot 0]

Not nescessarily, in some ways Stalin was worse than Hitler.

 

The difference between Stalin & Hitler was that Stalin worked, everyday he would sit down at his desk & do 16-18 hours hard work. Hitler never worked, he had his cronies take care of all his menial tasks while he spent his time on holiday.

 

For this reason none of the actuall deaths of the victims of hitler can be traced back to him, as he never signed any death warrents, he may have ordered the deaths of millions of Jews, who he saw as his enemies, but there is no historical proof.

 

Stalin activly, & knowling signed the death warrents of millions of his OWN people.

 

It is questionable if the Jews were Hitler's own people or not, but he certainly did not believe so. Stalin knew very well that he was murdering his own, paranoia is not an excuse for his actions, even if it was the fuel.

 

Ask yourself who is the real monster there.

 

stalin was unknowing who his enemies were or not, he didnt go round peoples houses & decide himself who deserved to die & who didnt. he sent his secret police to do that, they went round making the descisions, they told stalin who was his enemy, he signed the death warrent.

[Leona 0]

You are just generalising, Stalin did far more than send his cronies to root out his enemies, he decided who his enemies where & had them eliminated.

 

I'm not thinking of ordinary workers here, although they did get a rough end to, make a mistake, get sent to a Goulag.

 

Think about Stalin's rise to power, think of all the people he eradicated on the way, Trotsky, Kamenev, Zaminov, Bukharin. All were guilty of one thing, stalling his ascension to power, & in the end power was what he got, the complete totalitarian control over the Soviet Union.

 

He renounced his Georgian origins & turned on his own country during the Bolshevik Revolution, killing his own people to further the cause.

 

He sent innocent workers into labour camps for simple things. The secret police were under his orders to arrest anyone who broke anything during the 5 year plans, under suspicion of sabotage.

 

He ordered the execution of millions of so called 'kulaks', peasant farmers guilty only of defying the push towards Kolkhozes.

 

At least during Hitler's time in control of NAZI Germany the German people could sleep safely in their beds, but under Stalin's Russia, absolutely everybody would fear the knock on the door of the secret police at midnight.

 

So maybe next time you wan't to try contradicting me, come up with a reasonable arguement. Not that you can of course.

[Mina Synd 0]

that is true... but work out the odds here: the amount of germans and the amount of russians. sure he might be killing his own but as a normal person acting in the war, the chances were kinda slim that you'd be considered for anything unless you messed up bigtime XD;

and sure, he might have been a lil messed up with his methods but last time i checked any russian soldier would fight a lot harder then any other type... i mean he's fighting for honour, for pride, for his country (literally) and for his own life. if he doesn't go in kamikaze, he and his family will suffer, and if he does well he might get a lil bonus and respect from others, thus less likely to be picked next time. i mean i've heard stories of a german soldier gunning down dozens of russians, only to have one get close, pick up one of the german's empy clips and beat him to deal with it (which i checked on and actually happened on more then one occasion XD; ) what kind of soldier has that kind of dedication?

[Leona 0]

Oh I'm not questioning the Russian soldiers loyalty or devotion, I know very well that the Russian army was the most dedicated in the Second World War. They believed in what they were doing, they were fighting for a cause they thought was right.

 

Stalin proved during the Second World War that his Five Year Plans were of great success, he more than trippled production of Iron & Steel, & in only 9 years he brought the Soviet Union up to the fighting standard of the Capitalist West.

 

Stalin did a lot for Russia, I'm not questioning that, but does the end always justify the means? A lot of innocent Russians died to get Russia to that standard, & they died unnescessarily. That is what I dislike Stalin for. Although it could be argued that it was the only way, I believe that his paranoia cause too many people to suffer.

[General immeyourenot 0]

if stalin hadnt done what he had then russia would have probably been overrun by germany, the german army would have taken minimal casualties at the hands of the russians & then the germans would have had the extra support they needed to defeat the western powers.

[Mina Synd 0]

both true points in their own ways o.O probably wasn't needed but if you're gonna go a lil way, might as well go all the way y'know? ^^;

[Leona 0]

if stalin hadnt done what he had then russia would have probably been overrun by germany, the german army would have taken minimal casualties at the hands of the russians & then the germans would have had the extra support they needed to defeat the western powers.

 

You're not listening, no surprise there, I'm trying to say that the only reason that so many people died was because Stalin was so paranoid. If schedules weren't met, or accidents happened in the factories then suddenly it was blown all out of proportion, you could guarantee people would be sent to Goulags.

 

This not only reduced the number of workers, but it also created a resentment. Prisoners were used as slaves, who would then activly sabotage the factories, creating more problems.

 

So in fact what you said is quite the opposite of the blaringly obvious, but hey, I can't help it if you are a moron.

[General immeyourenot 0]

So in fact what you said is quite the opposite of the blaringly obvious, but hey, I can't help it if you are a moron.

 

whoa whoa, whats with the insults? im just expressing my oppinion. do you see me insulting you now? eh eh?

 

besides, the imprisonments were motivation for the other workers, therefore speeding up the process, not like you said.

[Mina Synd 0]

it is kinda hard to mess up a country with about 2 - 20 times more people in it the any of the others o.O even with the sheer numbers there are so many patriotic russians that it didn't make a whole lot of difference in the long run lol

[Leona 0]

So in fact what you said is quite the opposite of the blaringly obvious, but hey, I can't help it if you are a moron.

 

whoa whoa, whats with the insults? im just expressing my oppinion. do you see me insulting you now? eh eh?

 

besides, the imprisonments were motivation for the other workers, therefore speeding up the process, not like you said.

 

I get enough insults from you anyway, a few bites back won't hurt you. Besides, you are a moron. you can't take 5 seconds to properly punctuate your replies.

 

Besides, motivating the workers? You had better hope so, but from the way I see it, appauling conditions, famine, starvation, resentment & the mass murder of millions of innocent Russians wouldn't really motivate them. There was a miniature revolution about the very same reasons which just goes to prove my point, the name of it eludes me right now, but it involved a great deal of resources to quash.