Religious answer to terrorist problem

[BWare 0]

Okay fenring, seriously... what the hell is wrong with you??

Are you just that bitter of a person? Man. That was completely unprovoked. Just do us a favor and keep it to yourself. Apparently you just can't help but be biting and, well, mean. You are a real jackass. You must be the life of the party... real fun to be around :roll: Calling me a "huge ass," and for what?? I've done nothing to deserve that. Grow up.

[Acerz492 1]

Do you take everything Fenring says seriously? Calm down dude. You should know how Fenring is: no sugar-coating. If he thinks you're an ass, he'll tell you without hesitation. Take it as a compliment.

[Doctor Destiny 41]

^ What he said.

[BWare 0]

You know fen, there's such a thing as social graces....

[Doctor Destiny 41]

 

That's about how BWare thinks. :roll:

[BWare 0]

hmm.... is that an insult? I'm confused.

[F15pilotX 4]

Let's stop fighting people, and get back on topic :lol: :wink:

 

I thought I would ask the religious experts here this question. How do we answer the challenge of Muslim terrorists bullying the world into becoming militant Islamists?

[Hybrid 0]

I think Fen just summed it up

 

Seriously now guys. You are too attached to your opinions. I've literally posted a few small things that really don't have any effect to your life and you lose your heads. You seem to enjoy getting highs from your own personal opinions and act in a superior manner towards anyone who looks upon the world is a different manner. Have you gained anything from these posts or have you infact just developed an attitude that you are all that matters in this world and nothing else.

 

I'll speak in normal "non-bull****" terms for now. You guys take politics far too seriously. You act as if it dominates your life. I was attempting to add a different flow of discussion to these topics but it seems your totally dominated by a view of perfection in minorities with power. You see just the government but you fail to see the open developments of those above it and the wall of bureaucracy just in front of it that hits most people harder than anything else in politics. People nowadays are so confused and misled by politics they cannot be bothered with it.

 

I guess at least i learn something. I've seen how simply idealist posts can turn any simplistic discussion into a rather personal destructive manner, which i found really downing as i thought there would be one chance you guys would post something with a point countering my own rather than "omg you make no sense." I feel i made enough sense, just you have trained your minds to see only black and white. There is no black and white currently, its a sad fact. There is only grey. I think its the reason why many people are "fence sitters." I guess even fen would agree with me on that one.

 

Now for a few picked out responses:

So which way do you want it hybrid? Is there right and wrong, or are those illusions as well?

Right and wrong are what we make them. We see murder is wrong, thats rather logical. So why do we allow whatever "wing" of the government to send our troops over to places a murder innocent people in the name of suppressing a minority they dislike.

 

False. Sarcasm isn't even a "sybmol" at all

I guess you made the laws of "symbols" up then? You so far have shown me a very simple view of human psychological understanding. I've manipulated you so easily its beyond belief. I can't believe you've worked upon trying to prove "what a moron i am" instead of anything else. You've proved nothing except your inability to listen or understand a different point of view other than your own. The sarcasm is a simple psychological show of this, and that is called arrogance my friend.

 

YES. If you fail to see that, then you are an idiot.

FACT, both parties are dominated and ruled by elite corporatists who are rich or live in a political dynasties, such as the bushes, kerries or even kennedies.

FACT, both parties have existed since the beginning of "democratic" america. This simply means they have the same elitist views and stands they've had for decades. This also means the elite of 200 years ago would have great great great grand children here now, who also rule these too parties. The bloodlines and dynasties go on.

FACT, all that is different is the "public show," aka policies. Which most of them make no difference anyway because the real intention is in the background.

 

and that's why I've said that I'm not entirely happy with the Republican party. But what's your point??

Economical control and authoritarianism is the same path germany went thought back in 1933 when hitler came to power. Mussolini himself even stated that, "corporatism is the first stage of fascism." This clearly means the centralisation of the economy into the hands of a few (in the government, or the governmental elite).

 

The democracy we once "knew" is dead my friend. Fact it. It does not matter who gets elected in 2008, we "lose" either way.

 

Saddam did, in fact, possess and use weapons of mass destruction.

Once he did yes. When the western governments sold them to him for short term profit over the lives of Iranians. Then when he went bust we didn't wish to know anymore until we got a reason to go in and open up his oil market. Failing the first time we had to return just over 10 years later which the best excuse yet. "Terrorism."

 

Plus, the WMDs were just one of a series of reasons to remove Saddam.

Ok then, i'm going to ask a really really really typical "liberal" response. Where are they then? The downing street memo suggests the intelligence was fixed for reason to go into Iraq. Simple enough. Its like Osama bin laden was the reason to invade afghanistan and hes still on the "run."

 

One day, he's gonna go start talking in real life and piss some people off, and finds a fist his face

Seriously i expect violence from a person with the mental age of 3. A kid who is so far up his own arse he only thinks of himself. "I want this, i want that, shut up i don't agree with you." Then they get violence if they don't get what they want. My response to that is get real buddy. Seriously, you act upon a simplistic view that your "truth" is the only truth. Truth is not an opinion, universal truth comes from self, it comes from beyond the 3rd dimension. When you act with a violent nature it makes me feel glad that Freedom of speech isn't valued anymore simply because fascism rules! I roll my eyes in disappointment with what is becoming of our countries due to intolerance and ignorance.

[BWare 0]

Right and wrong are what we make them. We see murder is wrong, thats rather logical. So why do we allow whatever "wing" of the government to send our troops over to places a murder innocent people in the name of suppressing a minority they dislike.

Wrong, wrong, wrong... killing in war is NOT murder. How dare you call our troops over there murderers?? Those that they are killing are NOT innocent. Are you completely ignorant of the attrocities that went on under those animals? Your shortsighted bias against western governments really shines through here.

 

I've manipulated you so easily its beyond belief.

How the hell have you manipulated me? Get over yourself. :roll:

 

FACT, both parties are dominated and ruled by elite corporatists who are rich or live in a political dynasties, such as the bushes, kerries or even kennedies.

FACT, both parties have existed since the beginning of "democratic" america. This simply means they have the same elitist views and stands they've had for decades. This also means the elite of 200 years ago would have great great great grand children here now, who also rule these too parties. The bloodlines and dynasties go on.

FACT, all that is different is the "public show," aka policies. Which most of them make no difference anyway because the real intention is in the background.

Nope. Those are not facts. Nice try though.

Oh, and way to belittle our democracy :roll: Oh no, you're not arrogant.

 

The democracy we once "knew" is dead my friend. Fact it. It does not matter who gets elected in 2008, we "lose" either way.

More paranoid conspiracy theories. Oh boy oh boy :roll:

There are major, LEGITIMATE differences between political parties here.

"Fact" it- You have no case here.

 

Ok then, i'm going to ask a really really really typical "liberal" response. Where are they then? The downing street memo suggests the intelligence was fixed for reason to go into Iraq. Simple enough. Its like Osama bin laden was the reason to invade afghanistan and hes still on the "run."

Hey, here's a thought: since the government is out to get you and really that evil and deceptive, then WHY didn't they plant WMDs? If they're that treacherous, why haven't we "found" any stockpiles? This MAY be because our leadership is, for the most part, honest and responsible. Just a thought.

Hell, faking WMDs would be REALLY easy since the elite of every country are secretly allied!

The WMDs are probably in Syria or some neighboring country. We DID broadcast our invasion, and Saddam had YEARS to deal with his weapons. The fact is that he was a loose cannon, incredibly evil, and a threat to global security in general. The world is safer now that he is gone.

 

Seriously i expect violence from a person with the mental age of 3. A kid who is so far up his own arse he only thinks of himself. "I want this, i want that, shut up i do agree with you." Then they get violence if they don't get what they want. My response to that is get real buddy. Seriously, you act upon a simplistic view that your "truth" is the only truth. Truth is not an opinion, universal truth comes from self, it comes from beyond the 3rd dimension. When you act with a violent nature it makes me feel glad that Freedom of speech isn't valued anymore simply because fascism rules! :roll:

Yeah, that was a bit much, but nobody threatened you or said they wanted to punch you personally. I would very much disagree with that reaction. They were saying that, if you're anything like this in real life, you will likely someday get punched out for being so arrogant and condescending (I know you don't think you are, but you really do come across that way). Frankly I agree. There are many people out there with short fuses... and if you tell them that you're "guiding their mental development" or laugh as you tell them that you're manipulating them (because they're soooo inferior mentally), they will not hesitate to introduce you to their fist.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

alright you kids

 

1: we didnt fail the first time against saddam. that was not a war of agression. Learn your history you fags. He invaded Kuwait, then we went after him to kick him out.

 

2: The second time, we did not go in for Oil. Notice how iraq still sells oil to people. we bettered the lives of other people. we may have sold him WMD's at one time, but we sure as hell didnt give him toxic gas to kill his own people with, or scuds to threaten the middle east with.

 

3: And how the hell is democracy dead ? if it was, you'd all be slaves. or dead. The people still decide things. we choose who runs for office, and we get to ellect them. If they are really bad, they can be impeached. Democracy isnt dead, its your arse thats gona be dead.

 

 

Thank you all for listening, this is Cygnus, defender of commmon sense, signing out (for the moment)

 

oh yes, Fen ,might wanna watch that lock button in case someone replies to me :wink:

[General Leang 0]

Is it just me, or is Hybrid Madbadger in disguise?

[BWare 0]

...he's madbadger with an ego problem after taking a freshman level philosophy class... and watching the matrix :roll:

[General Leang 0]

And really, if you think about it, if the government was anywhere near as bad as Hybrid says it is, then why have they allowed him to continue his prattle? Or are we meant to be government agents sent here to discredit him?

[Acerz492 1]

Is it just me, or is Hybrid Madbadger in disguise?

 

Nah, doubt it.

 

...he's madbadger with an ego problem after taking a freshman level psychology class... and watching the matrix :roll:

 

He is obviously more intelligent and more provokative than Madbadger. :roll: Remember, insult his ideas, not him. :wink:

 

And really, if you think about it, if the government was anywhere near as bad as Hybrid says it is, then why have they allowed him to continue his prattle? Or are we meant to be government agents sent here to discredit him?

 

Oh yes. We are all government agents from different countries of the world. Somehow we are all controlled by the US Government. Yes! Even myself, Luk3us and Sonic, who live all the way over in New Zealand! :wink: :roll:

 

Gotta love this train of thought.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

And really, if you think about it, if the government was anywhere near as bad as Hybrid says it is, then why have they allowed him to continue his prattle? Or are we meant to be government agents sent here to discredit him?

 

the perfect logic to shut down all of his "ideas"

 

thank you Leang !!

[BWare 0]

...he's madbadger with an ego problem after taking a freshman level philosophy class... and watching the matrix :roll:

 

He is obviously more intelligent and more provokative than Madbadger. :roll: Remember, insult his ideas, not him. :wink:

I wouldn't say it's "obvious..." Oh and wait a minute- are you taking orders directly from fenring now? Ok.

 

Careful Leang... you're getting dangerously close to outing us! The fact that we are, in fact, agents hired by the international "elite" to argue with hybrid must never be uncovered! His ideas are simply too dangerous, powerful, and, well, BRILLIANT to ever be taken seriously by the general public. So.... keep a low profile!

HE MUST BE STOPPED, FOR THE GOOD OF THE ELITE! BUSH WILLS IT!!!

 

:roll:

[Doctor Destiny 41]

And you wonder why I think you're an ass... :roll:

[BWare 0]

More constructive criticism from fenring! Oh boy!

 

Again, I invite you to keep it to yourself. As much as I appreciate your input, I think it would be for the best. :roll:

[Waraddict 0]

I thought I would ask the religious experts here this question. How do we answer the challenge of Muslim terrorists bullying the world into becoming militant Islamists?

 

The very existence of this topic proves there is a misunderstanding of religion, the answer is 'only God knows', why? Religion doesn't promise to make you an all-knowing God, any person should know that.

 

Also, I am REALLY doubtful you would find any relgious 'experts', as you put them, on a games forum, a religious expert to me would be priest, maybe even a bishop, and you know what? they'd still probably tell you the same thing.

 

I can give you an opinion though, which is guided by my belief but its certainly not an expert opinion. First of all, your question is extremely synical and negative, its almost the sort of question you would have got about the Soviet Union turning the world into communists, but, I agree with you there is a problem with radical muslims. The problem is probably quiet straight forward, muslim culture disproves of our Western society beliefs, some of their social beliefs, I and many of you would identify as extremely wrong, but stuffing western beliefs down their throughts won't help, muslims are certainly not going to abandon those beliefs, religious beliefs, for material beliefs, if we do that we'll frankly screw ourselves on a biblical scale, and we're getting there. We have to swallow our pride and quit promoting western life as the only life, despite the fact it is (though honestly, in light of my Christian beliefs, Western life needs to be less consumerist).

 

Now I AM going to get the gun-hoe supports after me for this, but frankly a long-term solution is needed, and the last thing we need to do is light the flame on muslim society, seriously, these guys are ready to blow, they see us promoting a Godless social belief over their Religious social belief, perhaps it would have been better if we promoted a clearly Christian social belief because atleast then they wouldn't see it as a sort of Athiest promotion (Apologise to the Athiests, but Muslims do have a strong religious hatred against you guys, its one of their beliefs that I think is extremely wrong).

[Mr_Lee_ 0]

And you wonder why I think you're an ass... :roll:

 

More constructive criticism from fenring! Oh boy!

 

Again, I invite you to keep it to yourself. As much as I appreciate your input, I think it would be for the best. Rolling Eyes :roll:

 

You are both setting a terrible example to the newer members of the forum about the whole concept behind the CNCNZ forums. Sonic and King gave up checking on you guys and your arguing. I've not posted for the same reason, but think enough is enough.

 

Fenring, BWare, you're both moderators, so act like it before the complaints to Sonic and King become to the point where some sort of admin intervention is required to stop this once and for all with some sort of update to the rules.

[BWare 0]

I completely agree Mr_Lee_.

[GeneralZ 0]

"as long as fenring keeps his opinions to himself" :rofl:

 

fen, ur supposed to set an example as a moderator, not call other people asses. good moderators are supposed to be above this. you dont see chicken, king or sonic doing any of this.

[Hybrid 0]

Wrong' date=' wrong, wrong... killing in war is NOT murder. How dare you call our troops over there murderers??[/quote']

 

Your shortsighted bias against western governments really shines through here.

"Western governments"? Simply enough every government has committed atrocities. Every government uses the same techniques. Sadly the west have more money which tends to mean we are more CORRUPT. Depends how you view it. Your shortsighted bias for western governments blinds you to the will of the people... See how it works?

 

How the hell have you manipulated me? Get over yourself. :roll:

Easily' date=' see the style i post. You respond with your absurdities and voila. Thats a form of manipulation.

 

Nope. Those are not facts. Nice try though.

ROFL, They are facts. Do you ever UNDERSTAND your own government? Obviously not.

 

There are major' date=' LEGITIMATE differences between political parties here.[/quote']"Social" differences. Yeah, great. Pick between 2 ****ty policies.

 

Hey' date=' here's a thought: since the government is out to get you and really that evil and deceptive, then WHY didn't they plant WMDs?[/quote']I'm sure they never thought of it...

 

This MAY be because our leadership is' date=' for the most part, honest and responsible. Just a thought.[/quote']Obviously. Thats why theres so much speculation over 9/11, 7/7 and the "war on terror."

 

The WMDs are probably in Syria or some neighboring country. We DID broadcast our invasion' date=' and Saddam had YEARS to deal with his weapons. The fact is that he was a loose cannon, incredibly evil, and a threat to global security in general. The world is safer now that he is gone.[/quote']Until we plant another leader there for our manipulation. You ever thought of what the people want rather than what the US government want?

 

They were saying that' date=' if you're anything like this in real life, you will likely someday get punched out for being so arrogant and condescending (I know you don't think you are, but you really do come across that way).[/quote']Again i said its a point of view. Some people would agree with me. I really couldn't care for opinions. I live my life, people live theres. Why should opinion disturb that peace? Sadly it does, thats why we live in such states.

 

And how the hell is democracy dead ? if it was, you'd all be slaves. or dead.

So 2 dominating parties of the same alliegence is democracy? You can either vote screw me, or secretly screw me. The mind prison also isn't a form of slavery? No? If democracy existed. We wouldn't have one huge centralised government dominated by corporatists and people who don't give a **** about the people but instead what they can squeeze from them.

 

defender of commmon sense

Common sense of the "official" view?

 

an ego problem

You'd be mistakened. Ego is the greatest destroyer of the human soul and mind. It dominates people and turns them into zombies obessed with "progressing" and "gaining" or "owning." Ego is a person getting high from themselves.

 

 

And i totally agree with Waraddict view on religion and consumerism.

[BWare 0]

Murder is to kill, simple enough. Soldiers are killing, that is murder, however its for survival so its considered lawful. Either way the murderers are in the government. These soldiers simply are doing their job, which they think is protecting their country.

Yes. Those simple fools just think they're defending their country, but you know better. Wow. You just really have no resepect for them, do you? That and an ego problem. Yes, you do in fact have one. :roll:

Plus, did you actually read that definition you posted? Murder is UNLAWFUL or INHUMANE killing. It is a VERY different concept from killing. Pay better attention to definitions... they are important.

 

Easily, see the style i post. You respond with your absurdities and voila. Thats a form of manipulation.

I'm sorry, but that's far from an explanation of how you "manipulated" me. Getting a reaction from "styling" a post is hardly manipulation... maybe technically, but nothing to brag or grow an ego about. :roll:

 

I'm sure they never thought of it...

Hehe... another conspiracy theory. Oh boy. Can you name a more reliable report? This Pakistani website sure seems reliable (:roll:), but.........

 

Obviously. Thats why theres so much speculation over 9/11, 7/7 and the "war on terror."

There's speculation because of morons like yourself who see conspiracies in everything. People have nothing better to do, and frankly have access to too much information with too little understanding. Speculation doesn't prove conspiracy :roll:

 

Until we plant another leader there for our manipulation. You ever thought of what the people want rather than what the US government want?

Are you serious? 25 million people are now free from the threat of being raped and tortured to death under the regime of Saddam. Plus, a man who could have killed millions potentially in a war or attack is now out of power. I don't see how everyone doesn't benefit from that..... Once again, your hatred for America (yes, there is hatred there) blinds you to the simple truth.

[GeneralZ 0]

Easily, see the style i post. You respond with your absurdities and voila. Thats a form of manipulation.

 

i think you are the one with the absurd posts here. maybe we're manipulating you, egging you on and making you say a bunch of senseless things and making a fool out of urself. ever think of that?

 

ROFL, They are facts. Do you ever UNDERSTAND your own government? Obviously not.

 

i dont think you understand anything hyrbid. to you, everything's a western conspiracy :roll: :roll:

 

Obviously. Thats why theres so much speculation over 9/11, 7/7 and the "war on terror."

 

what speculation? everyone knows terrorists hijacked some planes and crashed them into the towers. the only peple speculating are idiots like you that think its all a secret plot

 

You'd be mistakened. Ego is the greatest destroyer of the human soul and mind. It dominates people and turns them into zombies obessed with "progressing" and "gaining" or "owning." Ego is a person getting high from themselves.

 

look at ur self. its destroyed ur soul and mind. it has dominated you and turned you into a zombie obsessed with conspricies and bashing the west. Ego is a person getting high from themselves a.k.a YOU. your getting pretty high and arrogant, saying how other people are wrong and thinking you're are always. you are a nut job with too much ego and dont even realise it. instead you proclaim to be "enlightened" and pretend to philosphise things while ur being too narrow minded to see anything.

 

know this word? H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E? thats u