9/11 what really happend

[General Leang 0]

As for the Bush/Palpatine comparison---dont go there.

 

Bush haters said it, not I. In my opinion the only one you could compare to Palpatine is Hitler, in terms of how much of a monster they are. Sure, Hitler is commonly compared to Bush in that regard but anyone who makes such comparisons has absolutely no grasp on history. If Bush haters show concentration camps where Muslims are sent for mass executions, I will listen. Until then, the man was voted in. Live with it.

[F15pilotX 4]

Isnt it spelled Nader..... :roll: :wink:

 

Al Gore. No THERES a presidential candidate. I invented the internet....

 

We havent had a good candidate for the office since....um.....Rosevelt. And he married his cousin so.....yeah. Woot.

You've heard of RONALD REAGAN, right? :wink:

[General Leang 0]

Oh yes. Truely the last great American President. His efforts to broker peace with the Soviets (how about we leave him alone for his off the record comments) and war on drugs are a credit to the world.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Oops. Ok, since Reagen, we havent had a decent presidential candidate since...well you know the story.

 

People who compare Bush to Hitler do it because they have no life outside of rating on whoever is in office. They are nothing alike. Is Bush creating concentration camps and deporting people based on religion? No. Is Bush invading helpless neighboring nations? No. Is Bush signing secret treaties with global Communistic powers and invading their neighbors? No. I fail to see any comparison at all.....

 

I concure with Leang. Until you show me Bush's Anti-Muslim concentratio camps, I refuse to even consider what they say.

[RKCoon 0]

Helpless??? What the hell was Afghanistan and Iraq? Massive world powers about to drop nukes on us? not bloody liekly. I wanna know whos next, myself.

 

Now insofar as comparing bushel to hitler, lets see (fair warning, personal feelings rant here )---

 

 

Hitler - served with at least some honor in his army.

Bush - AWOL at least once, got caught drunk (among other things) while on duty, and has had daddy seal his records away from public scrutiny.

 

Hitler - Won his position as German Chancellor i beleive it was, with over 97% of the voting populace - which if memory serves was well over 70, closer to 80% of the masses - and also recorded in history as gaining office with the single greatestr margin of public support in history, something not even any US president has accomplished.

Bush - bought his way in, not once, but twice, with daddys arab freinds oil money. History will go on to record that in reality (or at least in IMHO) he never shoulda got in the first time, to say nothing of the second.

 

Hitler - after forging a number of agreements, treaties and so on, proceeded to break a great deal of them in his expansion efforts.

Bush - has broken a great deal of past agreements treaties ad his own laws to get just to this point.

 

Hitler - Orchestrated the Holocaust, which, btw, did in fact have the support, financial and otherwise, of the Vatican.

Bush - Is currently engaged in a war to end terrorism, with the Vaticans support, financial and otherwise. (seems funny to me how the Vatican seems to like to fund violence and hatred.)

 

Hitler - Committed some of the greatest atrocities against human rights in known history.

Bush - has gone to great lengths to subvert human rights both in the US and abroad.

 

Hitler - Believed to have been found after supposedly committing suicide, but no positive identification has ever been made.

Bush - we can only hope for similar, cant we, seince even wishing in public for the prick to die is a crime according to the patriot act.

 

Considering this, i would venture to state that saying Bush is equal to hitler, may be construed as an insult -- to Hitler.

[Azrael 0]

Finally... Someone who shares my opinion...

[J-Fire_Man 0]

I will just explains some things here:

1. The real muslim teaching doesn't restrict women from doing many things. But, they only must not show their body except hand and face in order to keep their purity. Women can do anything they want, even leading the muslim's compulsory five times prays, with one condition, the prayers must all be female. Women can become a president, a career woman, etc.

Yet, the Talibans seems to misjudge the rights of women in Islam. Since the old age, they think that women must not do anything, all they need to do is to take care of children and stay at home, because they are somehow "stupid" in understanding the Koran. Since this has become a tradition in the Taliban people, it's hard to rip off their views about women. So, Islam doesn't restric women so thight.

 

2. The problem between the Muslim and the Jewish. This all won't happen if the Jewish didn't take the holy city from the Palestenian. I don't know why they call Jerussalem their homeland, but surely the Palestinian have setteld there since long time ago. Muslim and Jewish actually can be not hostile to each other if just both of them aren't so arrogant. I will say this to you guys, eventough I'm a Muslim, I actually hate some Arab's government and the Israel's government. I hate both of them because why they can't just get along with each other. Stop blaming each other for stupid things, and forget what has happened in the past and start a new political life.

 

3. And, why most muslims hate the west so much, I must state this clearly that it's not just muslims. AND this is actually not about muslims with chirstians and jewish or something. This is actually about something called culture crash. It's not just muslims, even some chrsitians hates the west. Most east people are people with strong culture and religion allignment, so we are very conservative. While most west people are liberalist, asiding religion from their politics. Many people in Japan, South and North Korea, China, Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei Darussalam, and many other countries in Asia hates the west. And they have different religions, from Islam to Crhistians to many others. The tension between the east and the west is not primarily based on religion.

 

But, it seems that some Asians have been so much affected by the west culture, especially the American culture. For example, one of the things I hate so much from the present Asian movie stars and some other Asians are how they have heavily disgraced the Asians by saying that marrying a west person is so prestigious compared to marrying the local people. They said that the west people are "gold seeds" for breeding, because the baby will have blue eyes or blonde hair (living in a tropical lands with blue eyes for babies are good for burned eye ). But luckily there is some culture waves from Suth Korea and Japan that can get rid of their thoughts about the west culture and respect their culture more.

[RKCoon 0]

Wow. gonna be amusing to see bware worm out from that barrage of logic, common sence and truth.

(actually tis kinda harsh, were pickin on him and he aint even here yet. :lol: )

[Azrael 0]

Muslims are quite good, I admit it... I just am afraid of them here at Mindanao, they're aggresive... One of my crushes (not loves, k?) is Muslim...

[Guest MadBadger]

Could we get back to 9/11 and away from the Muslem way of life? Muslems are some of the best people i know so just leave it. Ive never been attacked by a Muslem so why yall got beef with them? Its the Minority that go around killing because there stupid and cant read the Korran right.

[F15pilotX 4]

I will just explains some things here:

1. The real muslim teaching doesn't restrict women from doing many things. But, they only must not show their body except hand and face in order to keep their purity. Women can do anything they want, even leading the muslim's compulsory five times prays, with one condition, the prayers must all be female. Women can become a president, a career woman, etc.

Yet, the Talibans seems to misjudge the rights of women in Islam. Since the old age, they think that women must not do anything, all they need to do is to take care of children and stay at home, because they are somehow "stupid" in understanding the Koran. Since this has become a tradition in the Taliban people, it's hard to rip off their views about women. So, Islam doesn't restric women so thight.

Ok, my first little rebuttle: since Islam was founded, the women have been treated as inferior to men...in fact, if I took the time to look into the Koran right now, I could probably find at least 2-3 passages about it.

2. The problem between the Muslim and the Jewish. This all won't happen if the Jewish didn't take the holy city from the Palestenian. I don't know why they call Jerussalem their homeland, but surely the Palestinian have setteld there since long time ago.

Obviously, you have no inkling of the history of Palestine…..for 4000+ years the Israelites lived there after they escaped from Egypt, and the only time during history that Palestine has been ruled by Palestinians (people from the Arabian Peninsula) was for a brief period of 22 years around 635 A.D. However, they were eventually conquered. Before I go into that, there were twelve tribes of Israel (Judea):

Asher

Benjamin

Dan

Gad

Issachar

Mannasseh

Ephraim

Levi

Naphtali

Reuben

Simeon

Zebulun

After Israel’s peak of power under King David and his son King Solomon, the kingdom split into two nations under Solomon’s son, Rehoboam: Israel in the north and Judah in the south. Judah was made up of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. Israel was made up of the other ten tribes.

 

Around the 400s B.C. (Before Christ), the Babylonians conquered Israel, and shortly after, the Persians conquered the Babylonians, and subsequently, Judah. However, the Jew Nehemiah was granted permission by the Persian King Artaxerxces to take some other Jews with him, and rebuild Judea’s capital, (sound familiar?) Jerusalem. They accomplished that, in spite of resistance from neighboring countries, and self-ruled themselves for a while until Syria annexed them and made Judea a province.

 

In 164 B.C., the Kingdom of Judea revolted and became semi-independent of Syria. Judea was protected by a treaty of friendship with Rome. However in 61 B.C., the Roman Emperor Pompey conquered Jerusalem, and from then on Israel or Palestine was subordinate to Rome. Parts of it were nominally independent under the rule of local kings of the line of Herod the Idumean.

 

In A.D. (Anno Domini, Latin for In the Year of Our Lord) 70, though, something terrible took place: the Jewish rebels, called Zealots, had ousted the Roman armies in the land about a year ago, and so the Roman Emperor Vespasian sent his son Titus with an army to recapture Palestine. He eventually did, with the tragedy that beautiful Jerusalem was destroyed, along with the Jewish temple, where the Dome of the Rock now stands. After the recapture of Israel, the Jews were spread all over the world by the Romans, so they wouldn’t revolt again.

 

After Rome fell, Palestine continually changed hands until 1947, when the Jews went back to Palestine, and, after a tremendous amount of resistance from Egypt, Syria, and Jordan, and many wars, in which all Israel was the victor, the Nation of Israel was established.

 

Any questions??? :wink:

[Azrael 0]

I thought A.D. was for "After Death" of Christ, and B.C. was "Before Christ"?

 

So I think 50 B.C. means 50 years before Christ, while 50 A.D. is 50 years AFTER the death of Christ, am I right? I don't really get it...

[RKCoon 0]

Thats correct --- but it does leave an innacuracy in dealing with BC for thew uncertain length of time tween his birth and death.

[General Leang 0]

33, 34 years I think it was.

[J-Fire_Man 0]

I will just explains some things here:

1. The real muslim teaching doesn't restrict women from doing many things. But, they only must not show their body except hand and face in order to keep their purity. Women can do anything they want, even leading the muslim's compulsory five times prays, with one condition, the prayers must all be female. Women can become a president, a career woman, etc.

Yet, the Talibans seems to misjudge the rights of women in Islam. Since the old age, they think that women must not do anything, all they need to do is to take care of children and stay at home, because they are somehow "stupid" in understanding the Koran. Since this has become a tradition in the Taliban people, it's hard to rip off their views about women. So, Islam doesn't restric women so thight.

Ok, my first little rebuttle: since Islam was founded, the women have been treated as inferior to men...in fact, if I took the time to look into the Koran right now, I could probably find at least 2-3 passages about it.

What I see is in Islam, men are the inferior one. They don't have such previllege. The Koran says that men must protect women no matter the cost. While men protect themselves. This is not just the religion's law but also the law of nature. Men are borned to protect women. You can even see this kind of life in animals life.

Plus, in Islam, women are most likely to go to heaven straight rather than men.

[Masked Shah 5]

I will just explains some things here:

1. The real muslim teaching doesn't restrict women from doing many things. But' date=' they only must not show their body except hand and face in order to keep their purity. Women can do anything they want, even leading the muslim's compulsory five times prays, with one condition, the prayers must all be female. Women can become a president, a career woman, etc.[/quote']

 

 

Remember even early christains treated their women horrible..

Many early settlers here in America made women covered themselves, and silenced them when it came to politics or decision making...

Women were only good for cooking and raising childern....

 

but we all know better now....

 

It really depends when and where you ask that question...

 

Turkey is a muslim state, and view women as equals by providing education and military jobs to them.

 

but, to say islam is a evil religion is a ugly thing to say...

 

Many of the world's greatest poets, and humanists...

 

It's religion itself a tool, the weilders shape it to their own agenda...

 

You have christain fanatics and you also have muslim fanatics as well.

 

I will defend christains, jewish, and muslims...

as a humanist that is my stance.

 

All can be shape and weilded as some see fit.

period.

[GeneralZ 0]

What I see is in Islam, men are the inferior one. They don't have such previllege. The Koran says that men must protect women no matter the cost. While men protect themselves. This is not just the religion's law but also the law of nature. Men are borned to protect women. You can even see this kind of life in animals life.Plus, in Islam, women are most likely to go to heaven straight rather than men.

 

WTF are u talking about? u are acting like the muslims themselves! Koran says men must protect women, but that can be interpreted differently. myabe women dont want to be protected,,,maybe they want to be free to do whatever they want like men......"men are born to protect women", it just shows how u think. I didnt notice this topic till not, but my opinion of u has just gone WAY DOWN. are u becomin muslim btw Jfire? i must not call u a ***** of a *****, ***** **** **** cause sonic will get me, but u are one.....i'm that mad

 

The Jews were in palestine first. the way i see it, they were there first, then got kicked out over time, now they want it back. seems fair to me...and its only a small area of land around Jerusalem. why have problems with Israel?

 

(and if u start asking if i'm jewish, answer is no, i'm an american christian who thinks normal islamic is generally fine with a few probs, while extremists need to go to hell)

 

I think the video's ****. 30 min into it and i closed it. some of the explosion were comical, computer generated. the whole thing is faked. what a coincidence that some1 was filming the pentagon and WTC at the exact location and time the plane crashed.? no1 expected it. i was completly surprised... right after the plane hit, i went outside and saw a huge plume of black smoke................some brits obviously helped in making this...i can hear the accent..must be those same guys who made that weird video on warning americans to get outa iraq.......stupid anti-american foreigners....

 

i think going to iraq was a good thing. the world's safer without saddam hussein, and once we solve the sectarian problems, it can be a much better country...personally, i think if we seal the borders, it'll stop quickly sinde its al queda and foreign fighters from bordering countries like iran intigating trouble.

 

Rkcoon, and whoever actually believes this *** of a video, learn that its possible to fake these things. its WAY TOO COINCIDENTAL.... a lot of the stuff is clips taken from different shots and put together.

[RKCoon 0]

Actually i dont beleive -- as i didnt even WATCh -- the video. im basing my comments on what ive seen and read and analised on my own in the past regarding the matter. Im also a firm beleiver of if it seems far too coincidental, it most likely is anything BUT a coincidence.

 

I think we can sum this up VERY nicely with but three links, that were posted on another board i frequent --

 

http://home.bellsouth.net/s/editorial.dll?...p;rg=blsadstrgt

 

 

http://cbs4denver.com/topstories/local_story_067094813.html

 

 

http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/030...l.7d361c3f.html

 

 

Insanity from all sides, no?

[Alphabear 11]

but my opinion of u has just gone WAY DOWN. are u becomin muslim btw Jfire? i must not call u a ***** of a *****, ***** **** **** cause sonic will get me, but u are one.....i'm that mad

 

Im not sure exactly what your saying here but if your saying what i think your saying there GeneralZ i have lost all respect for you.

[GeneralZ 0]

sorry bout that. its the "women are meant to be protected" and islam fine cause it "protects woman" part that pissed me off, when women are not protected but treated as inferiors

[General Leang 0]

This is true. Women are to wear abayas and veils which render them all but invisable in the eyes of the Islamic people, ride in the back seat and are not allowed tp drive. They are not to be outside without a man. This applies to women from other countries as well.

[Alphabear 11]

Yes but that is only true in a few islamic states. It is not Islam as a whole

[RKCoon 0]

Still ,they treat thier women worse than we do our convicts -- thats crap ina hat if ya ask me.

[J-Fire_Man 0]

What I see is in Islam, men are the inferior one. They don't have such previllege. The Koran says that men must protect women no matter the cost. While men protect themselves. This is not just the religion's law but also the law of nature. Men are borned to protect women. You can even see this kind of life in animals life.Plus, in Islam, women are most likely to go to heaven straight rather than men.

 

WTF are u talking about? u are acting like the muslims themselves!

I'm a Muslim, and I thought everybody here know this already. Laws exist in everything, even in games. Since this is a gaming forum, you should understand that when someone broke the rule, he/she will get a punishment, like banned from the online game or a forum or whatever. And I'm not talking about conspiracy here, and I didn't made my statements to offend anyone. My statements are pure to explain about the Islam teaching and the east culture.

 

sorry bout that. its the "women are meant to be protected" and islam fine cause it "protects woman" part that pissed me off, when women are not protected but treated as inferiors

As I STATED before, men are the inferior one, not women. Men must do all the damn hardoworks just to go to heaven. Women can do anything they want except the things that I have stated before.

 

Women, if they want, they can protect themselves. But as a men, if there is a women in danger, you must protect them no matter the cost. For instance, there is an armed person in front of you and a women is standing beside you. What will you gonna do??? Just stay calm and let the armed person to hard the women? No ofcourse, you must help the women, but the women can fight to if they want. I think this is commonly done in the world including the west, in movies it's even more dramatic.

 

And, I didn't said women are meant to be protected, I only said that men must protect women. The meaning is quite different I think.

 

Many west people misunderstood about the laws in Islam about women. Compared to most east people, they are okay with such laws, because in their regions like in China or Japan there is even more strict rules to women. This is why I said about culture crash, it seems that the west people who most of them are liberalist and free thingking can't accept the east culture.

 

And, women can choose wether they want to use abayas or not, they're free to choose. But, once you have wear them, they are binded with more rules. Men too have some rules to obey in Islam, some of them are men must not be attracted to any porn activity (which is very hard to obey for men, you men know it :wink: , it's hard to resist sexual intention) and men must put women in the first priority in most things, like when you're sitting in train, you must allow any women near you to sit on your place and you should find another one or just stand.

[F15pilotX 4]

As I STATED before, men are the inferior one, not women. Men must do all the damn hardoworks just to go to heaven. Women can do anything they want except the things that I have stated before.

Now THAT is what PISSES ME OFF!!!!!

The culture today just has the idea that men are SO stupid and women are so much smarter

 

I am perfectly fine with the fact that men should support and protect women, but that mindset annoys me to no end.