9/11 what really happend

[RKCoon 0]

Oh, theres no denying that War, with the only thing close to it being a natural disaster, is the greatest scientific and similar advancer of technology -- but it IS costing us our planet. i have a hard time beleiving were gonna get very far OFF the planet while were killing each other.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

The military may get off the planet, but as for hte rest for us....

 

Heres a paradox, virtually all of today's medical tech was derrived from early techniques created durring war to help out soldiers, while we tried to kill the enemy soldiers.

[F15pilotX 4]

I was doing a little bit of research last night, and I've noticed a few "trends" with the popular religions.

 

Judaism-long history here, in addition to wars of conquest to take the "Holy Land" the first time aorund. Persecution against those who werent "pure" (ie samaritans)

Weren't "pure" because God commanded them not to marry foreigners, as they would fall away from His ways if they did

 

Christianity-somewhat shorter history, a bunch of failed crusades (and one successful one) to take the "Holy Land" from the then ruling Arabs who held it. Religious persecution against other religions and cults, as well as global expansion and "converting" of other cultures (ie American Natives ect)

And that was ruled by what we now know as the Catholic, not Protestant church

 

Islam-strong beliefs against any of another religion, has things like Jihad, and while not practiced by everyone, the fact that it exists..... Thier viewws on religious "purification" of the human race. ie convert to Islam. Same thing as the Christians, only Christianity had a leg up when Constantine (a pagan Emperor till his death. Strange, no?) made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire.

Also, if you take a look through history, Christianity only made leaps forward in numbers of sincere (not just for show) believers when there was persecution against Christians. The reason why the Catholic church became corrupted was because non-Christians infiltrated the Church, because everyone that wasn't a Christian was punished :wink:

 

All three of these preach peace, yet we have....*counts on fingers* at least 6 millenia of warfare for the Jews, similar time span for the Muslims, and 2 millenia for hte Christians. All of these religions of "peace" and "equality" under "one God" all seem bent on destorying one or the other at various points in history. Right now, the Christians are on a break, after Hitler (yes, he was indeed a Christian. Catholic at that) went nuts on the Jews, now the Muslims are at the throats of the Israelis for invading the "Holy Land" yet again.

 

Irony just doesnt cover the specrum, woulndt you agree ?

Hitler a Christian my ass....I don't care what he said, if anyone believes that, they need help :rockbrow:

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Scuse me, he was a baptised Catholic, even wanted to become a priest. For a time at least.

 

Stalin was actually in the seminary before he left it in favor of godless communism

 

Moses was hebrew...o wait, we knew that :wink:

[Inferno 22]

You know what, I'm too lazy to read all this text :wink:

[BWare 0]

Not always true. A person's hormones determines his sexual attractions. It's the same reason why some men love redheads, Asian girls or, well, other men... all in the hormones. This has very little to do with the brain recognizing different genes.

Sorry, but this really stuck out. No, it has very little to do with hormones, Fenring. Neither you nor madbadger are completely right, but badger is actually a bit closer. A strong theory currently says that a component of attraction, mostly communicated through phermones, is the genetic compatability of 2 people- ie, how strong their offspring will be, specifically with immunities. This is not competely accepted as fact, but it is a working theory. There are literally dozens of other theories explaining this, but no one knows for sure what's going on there. The mystery of attraction runs very deep....

 

But back to the topic at hand, it can be summed up simply:

There was no conspiracy, the US government had NOTHING to do with the events on 9/11 (unfortunately :roll:), and anyone who believes otherwise is basically a moron. Giant conspiracies like this just CAN'T happen. People don't keep secrets well, and the more involved, the more massive the conspiracy, the greater the odds that information will leak. The fact is that if the government had ANYTHING to do with 9/11, it would require the cooperation and secrecy of many, many people. It's just silly.

[RKCoon 0]

Not always true. A person's hormones determines his sexual attractions. It's the same reason why some men love redheads, Asian girls or, well, other men... all in the hormones. This has very little to do with the brain recognizing different genes.

Sorry, but this really stuck out. No, it has very little to do with hormones, Fenring. Neither you nor madbadger are completely right, but badger is actually a bit closer. A strong theory currently says that a component of attraction, mostly communicated through phermones, is the genetic compatability of 2 people- ie, how strong their offspring will be, specifically with immunities. This is not competely accepted as fact, but it is a working theory. There are literally dozens of other theories explaining this, but no one knows for sure what's going on there. The mystery of attraction runs very deep....

 

But back to the topic at hand, it can be summed up simply:

There was no conspiracy, the US government had NOTHING to do with the events on 9/11 (unfortunately :roll:), and anyone who believes otherwise is basically a moron. Giant conspiracies like this just CAN'T happen. People don't keep secrets well, and the more involved, the more massive the conspiracy, the greater the odds that information will leak. The fact is that if the government had ANYTHING to do with 9/11, it would require the cooperation and secrecy of many, many people. It's just silly.

 

 

I suppose you also beleive that the assassins that took out JFK and Lincon were rogues, as well? Personally, the ones i find silly and nonsensical are the ones that clutch onto hopeless, counterproven ideas --- or ideas whose proof is so nebulous, if not totally flimsy, as to make anyone with a shred of logic take pause, and ask -- why does this seem so wrong?

[BWare 0]

I suppose you also beleive that the assassins that took out JFK and Lincon were rogues, as well? Personally, the ones i find silly and nonsensical are the ones that clutch onto hopeless, counterproven ideas --- or ideas whose proof is so nebulous, if not totally flimsy, as to make anyone with a shred of logic take pause, and ask -- why does this seem so wrong?

You really offered nothing specific here... but okay. Lincoln's assassin, yes I believe that he was, at least for the most part, a rogue. JFK though... there I do believe in something far different from the sniper in the window explanation. Now you CAN convince me of a conspiracy there!

 

But hey, to imply that I'm clinging onto "hopeless, counterproven" ideas because I more often than not buy into the non-crackpot theories is just insane. Ya know anything about Occam's Razor? Conspiracy theories are, at least 99.999% of the time, a complete and utter joke.

[Acerz492 1]

But back to the topic at hand, it can be summed up simply:

There was no conspiracy, the US government had NOTHING to do with the events on 9/11 (unfortunately :roll:), and anyone who believes otherwise is basically a moron. Giant conspiracies like this just CAN'T happen. People don't keep secrets well, and the more involved, the more massive the conspiracy, the greater the odds that information will leak. The fact is that if the government had ANYTHING to do with 9/11, it would require the co-operation and secrecy of many, many people. It's just silly.

 

Thank God! HE'S BACK!

 

100% correct there matey. Also too, it's an insult to the families affected by 9/11 to say that it was a government conspiracy.

 

Sorry, but this really stuck out. No, it has very little to do with hormones, Fenring. Neither you nor madbadger are completely right, but badger is actually a bit closer. A strong theory currently says that a component of attraction, mostly communicated through phermones, is the genetic compatability of 2 people- ie, how strong their offspring will be, specifically with immunities. This is not competely accepted as fact, but it is a working theory. There are literally dozens of other theories explaining this, but no one knows for sure what's going on there. The mystery of attraction runs very deep....

 

This all gives me a massive headache. >_< They had a similar documentry on the other night about this, and they had all sorts of crazy theories about homosexual attraction, such as if a guy had several older brothers, and if he was right-handed, then he would be gay. Okay, WTF? Same thing applies with women as well, apparently.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

I know several guys who have older brothers and are right handed. Are they gay? No. Proved another "theory" wrong. :roll:

 

Some people will do anything to get attention or credit.

 

Such as all conspiracy theories around Bush and the patriot act. Supposedly, he masterminded 9/11 so he could implement the patriot act and eventualyl remove all American citizens rights while taking over Oil Rich countries such as Iraq, Iran, and possibly Saudi Arabia. All in the name of "Freedom".

 

They say he masterminded 9/11, yet they also critisize him regularly for being "dumb".

 

I've been living in this nation everysingle day since 9/11, and I have yet to see one right on the American Constitution violated.

 

Taking over oil rich countries while allocating huge amounts of federal funding into alternative fuel economy. Uh huh. Yup. Theres real consistency there. :roll:

 

In the name of Freedom. Indeed, we freed the people of Iraq from a dictatorial rule, and cleared Afgahnistan of the vast majority of a terrorist network and supporting government. Not only have we restored civilized governments to these nations (no hit men, no fear of saying the wrong thing, no mafia, freedom of speach ect) we have improved their economies ten fold.

 

and it goes on and on, from both dirrections. The key to conspiracy theories is all in the name. Theory. Not proven fact. Just specualtion. Albiet rather far out in 99.99% of cases.

[BWare 0]

Well said sir!

 

Your point about Bush is especially good. Now those of you who hate Bush, get your stereotypes straight here people- is he a frat boy dumbass who can't tie his own shoelaces, or is he a diabolical, evil mastermind who misled an entire planet into an "unjust war?" Do you even know what the hell you're saying half the time, or are you that blinded by your foolish hatred? Serioulsy, I just don't understand it.

[RKCoon 0]

I know several guys who have older brothers and are right handed. Are they gay? No. Proved another "theory" wrong.

 

Some people will do anything to get attention or credit.

when it comes to what goes on in the mind, the LEAST amount of belief/trust/respect/etc i have are for shrinks and related feilds, most of the time (especially in a financially driven system) they are out to shove drugs, NOT help people.

 

They say he masterminded 9/11, yet they also critisize him regularly for being "dumb".

 

Pff. me, id be more inclined to say hes a puppet -- which would explain the sometimes half intelligent things he does -- while most of the time he couldnt find his ass with both hands anda road map.

 

Taking over oil rich countries while allocating huge amounts of federal funding into alternative fuel economy. Uh huh. Yup. Theres real consistency there.

 

Sooo your REALLY gonna tell me that it actually costs oil companies upwards of $5 a gallon to process and produce? sounds TOTALLY logical.

 

I've been living in this nation everysingle day since 9/11, and I have yet to see one right on the American Constitution violated.

 

Where have you been living? an antartic research station? Or do you get your news from FOX (AKA Federally Operated Xenophobia) News instead?

 

In the name of Freedom. Indeed, we freed the people of Iraq from a dictatorial rule, and cleared Afgahnistan of the vast majority of a terrorist network and supporting government. Not only have we restored civilized governments to these nations (no hit men, no fear of saying the wrong thing, no mafia, freedom of speach ect) we have improved their economies ten fold.

 

These happening to be the same people that, given a chance, would pull an afghanistan and have thier dictator BACK, or have another psycho in. we all have already seen how well Afghanistan worked out, i can personally garantee we will see puppet governments in the 52nd state for the next 30 years or so.

 

Thank God! HE'S BACK!

 

WHAT god, i ask? the same one that brought us such other wonders like hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, and so on, all these "acts of god"? as far as Bware goes, good, i was missing having the overzealous rightwingers to slam down, i need to keep my skills (and claws and fangs ) sharp. Made all the more fun cause people like him dont have the intelligence to know that A) theyve been had and most people are laughing AT them, not with them. I mean, i COULD go thru, yet again, and make valid solid proving points to my comments, but why bother, when such characters dont admit the truth when it slams into them at mach three?

[Cygnus X-1 12]

you BWare is gona tear you apart on that one

 

There would be no point of God if we lived in utopia. Natural disasters are natural-ie effects of nature. There is nothing we can do about it.

 

For your information, I live in the heartland of America. I get my news from Real Life. And if your gona slam us for where we live, well, frankly speaking, you have no room to manuver.

 

How many road mpas do you have with your ass on them ? (jk)

 

So you're telling me that the people of Iraq would rather have a Fascist dictator in power who murders on a whim, has the economy in ruins, keeps the majority of the wealth for himself, and harbors chemical and short and medium range cruise missiles for use against his own people? You know, they arent all stupid. Hundreds upon hundred of marines, upon returning from the war, show pictures and videos of the populace being happy. Stuff that the media doesnt cover, because its not exciting enough. And for someone who lives in the heartland of America, I think I've quite a few more Marines than you have.

 

pwned, through and through

[Acerz492 1]

WHAT god, i ask? the same one that brought us such other wonders like hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, and so on, all these "acts of god"? as far as Bware goes, good, i was missing having the overzealous rightwingers to slam down, i need to keep my skills (and claws and fangs ) sharp. Made all the more fun cause people like him dont have the intelligence to know that A) theyve been had and most people are laughing AT them, not with them. I mean, i COULD go thru, yet again, and make valid solid proving points to my comments, but why bother, when such characters dont admit the truth when it slams into them at mach three?

 

The only reason why I said that was to make a joke: BWare believes in God, and I just made a joke about him coming back (No offence to you BWare :wink:).

 

>_> Never mind.

 

and harbors chemical and short and medium range cruise missiles for use against his own people?

 

Lemme just point something out: He HAD those missiles. HAD them. He didn't have any when the U.S. went in to get him ( Second Gulf War, if that's what it's called these days).

[Cygnus X-1 12]

I think you missed the opeing days of the war. Several cruise missiles/scuds were shot at us, at least one was brought down by a patriot and the others missed.

 

He had chemical weapons. And he was known for using them on his own people. He could have easily hidden them in the desert or had them shipped o to Iran or Bob knows where else. Or perhaps he didnt have any more. Who cares? We cant take the risk that he could have acquired and used more. The fact that he already did, and the UN ignored it, is enough reason right there to take him out.

[BWare 0]

WHAT god, i ask? the same one that brought us such other wonders like hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, and so on, all these "acts of god"? as far as Bware goes, good, i was missing having the overzealous rightwingers to slam down, i need to keep my skills (and claws and fangs ) sharp. Made all the more fun cause people like him dont have the intelligence to know that A) theyve been had and most people are laughing AT them, not with them. I mean, i COULD go thru, yet again, and make valid solid proving points to my comments, but why bother, when such characters dont admit the truth when it slams into them at mach three?

RKCoon, you pomous jackass, just shut the hell up already.

I'm sorry that I'm reacting in anger, but this mean-spirited attack is just completely uncalled for, and I'm sick of dealing with idiots like you. The other folks on this forum who disagree with me do so with a mutual respect. Is it too much to ask that you grow up a bit and learn to talk like a big boy?

 

Holy cow. Plus, that little rant of yours postulated that there was no God on the basis that there's suffering in the world. What a slam dunk point, and so original too :roll:

Also, you have never once beaten me in an honest debate... I'm not sure how you're seeing me as a sacrificial lamb for your brilliant points and rants :lol:, but you're apparently pretty delusional.

 

 

For the record, Acerz, I appreciated your God pun. :wink: Thanks for having some fun with the issue without tearing me apart personally. RKCoon could learn a thing or two from you... :roll:

 

And Cygnus, again well said. Saddam had WMDs. There was no question. Post 9/11, we just couldn't afford a psychopath with that kind of destructive power. The fact that we can't find any now is just verification that he's a very sneaky, very ruthlessly intelligent man who covered his tracks well. The WMDs were likely smuggled out of the country in hollowed out airliners... there's been new info regarding that recently. It should be interesting to see where that leads.

[RKCoon 0]

I think you missed the opeing days of the war. Several cruise missiles/scuds were shot at us, at least one was brought down by a patriot and the others missed.

 

He had chemical weapons. And he was known for using them on his own people. He could have easily hidden them in the desert or had them shipped o to Iran or Bob knows where else. Or perhaps he didnt have any more. Who cares? We cant take the risk that he could have acquired and used more. The fact that he already did, and the UN ignored it, is enough reason right there to take him out.

 

 

Well well. So, it no longer matters weather or not he ACTUALLY has them, as claimed just prior to the Iraq and during the iraq invasion, and was the primary reason clung onto to excuse the invasion, that Iraq presented a DIRECT CLEAR AND PRESENT THREAT to the US, but that he MAY have them, even tho , at the end of the first gulf war it was made clear by the us government at the time that "all WMD had been destroyed or otherwise dealt with, and all meathods and ways and means for Iraq to produce more had been also destroyed or otherwise dealt with. So, If that means that Canada MAY be able to produce its own WMD, does that m ean the US has the "God given right", as the horse sh!t goes, to come to canada uninvited and destroy whatever MAY or MAY NOT be there? thats so full of holes its pathetic.

 

RKCoon, you pomous jackass, just shut the hell up already.

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh kiss my pale white all Canadian @$$ already. If you cant handle a few sharp barbs bluntly shoved at you, feel free to use the door anytime, as far as i giva damn. You frequently, repeatedly and predictablyt fire off your OWN "mean-spirited attacks" but cant handle it when someone has the balls to return many a favor rendered? :lol: Further, i see little reason to give respect to someone who, quite frankly, refuses to do so, or rather more accurately, goes out of his way to make his comments so borderline "impolite" as to get away with it. In short Bware -- if you cant take the heat ,stay the hell out of the kitchen. Further still, i didnt really postulate crap - just fired off what is a small portion my personal belief as you do so frequently on your own. I mean honestly, what your pulling now reeks of a lil kid whining that someone wont yeild to his line of logic which, IMHO is heavily flawed - something you yourself have said repeatedly bout me, tho not so directly. I may seem harsh, but i prefer directness and bluntness over lame word play. as for your final tidbit --

 

 

 

And Cygnus, again well said. Saddam had WMDs. There was no question. Post 9/11, we just couldn't afford a psychopath with that kind of destructive power. The fact that we can't find any now is just verification that he's a very sneaky, very ruthlessly intelligent man who covered his tracks well. The WMDs were likely smuggled out of the country in hollowed out airliners... there's been new info regarding that recently. It should be interesting to see where that leads.

 

Thats the purest of crap ive seen in a while; no more than yet another exuse to raise a stink. Your own damned intelligence and government services are saying it these days -- they canNOT, repeat, CAN NOT prove, now or then, that he had a pile of dog**** to throw, paticularly ACROSS A FECKING OCEAN. Let me emphasise this -- General bushel stated, clear and for all the world to hear -- "Saddam had and HAS the capability and DOESIN FACT possess WMD and has refused UN and US access to inspect these weapons, and has made insinuations on using these weapons on neighboring countries as well as the US". Yet, as of today, US and allied forces have been over virtually every square INCH of the chunk of laand formerly known as Iraq and what have they found? A WHOLE LOT OF NOTHINGNESS. Dont confuse this with defending saddam -- this is directed directly at the US government, thier lies, thier bullsh!t, and thier excuses to do as they will while ignoring fact, reality and public oppinion. Do you have so little faith in your own Patriot act and your sweeping (and usually idiotic) reforms to security and travel to honestly beleive this is still a possibility?

 

And btw, please dont think of me as a "lone psycho" that beleives this. take it from a Canadian -- this beleif, based on fact, is growing like wildfire. Truth has that habit -- even if not quite as much so as fallacy, pumped by billions of $$$.

[General Leang 0]

So what is it that you are saying? That September 11 was planned by George Bush? Then why has Osama Bin Laden not denied responsibility? That America should have acted on the warnings? Would you like to live in a police state, as a country that acted on every single threat and warning would certainly be? For the sake of arguement, say the trigger for Iraq is to have passenger airlines hijacked and flown into buildings. Hollywood create mock up videos of Bin Laden claiming responsibility and America begins their war on terror by attacking Afghanistan, because they are a weak country and a good testing ground for the preplanned invasion of Iraq. After the people of Afghanistan have been 'liberated' America investigate Iraq over weapons of mass destruction. They set up disputes and plant evidence so they can go to war. America wipes the floor with Saddam and now they are shipping all of Iraq's oil back to America where they can hoard it and push petroleum prices to the moon, and blame it on the fictional insurgents of Iraq who in reality are unsung heroes fighting against the evil empire. Is that somewhere in the ballpark of what you are trying to say?

[RKCoon 0]

Close on many respects, but not quite. im saying, to THEM, the people on the ground, whose homes are being blown to hell, they see little difference between their homes and towns being smashed by americans, or thier lives being controled and thier houses occasionally also getting smashed by a local dictator. fact is there IS more violence now than there has been in a while; which of course IS to be expected wehhen a foreign power seizes territory.

 

As far as the american involvement in 911 --to say they were utterly innocent in it, and had no prior knowledge of the attacks, i beleive, is not even on the radar. I am far more inclined to beleive that its a repeat of history -- the attacks were forseen, and allowed to take place, solely for the purpose of riling up the american people to deal with what the US government saw as a threat. Yes, i still beleive that Pearl harbor was the same way. In Pearl Harobor, There WAS a threat, it was known, it was understood largely, if not the precice details -- and it was allowed to happen. I am not questioning the alqeada involvement or binladens involvement, i am quite certain they were directly behind it --- But such attacks "out of the blue" almost never happen without VERY strong fecking motivation behind them. Only this time, the people had been swept into a "war fervor", not against a country, but a gainst a group that is nebolous, difficult to nail down --- and had much of its origins in recent past with recent (in the last 50 years recent) actions taken by the us government. This, in turn, allows the current administration to work towards formin a martial law -- withOUT declaring one. As to who planned it, who funded it, who orchestrated it -- and who screwed up to cause this megafiasco -- those are questions id be VERY interested tyo see the answers to, wouldnt you?

 

Its also done a fairly decent job of victimising innocents and stirring up the long existing racial and religious prejudices and hatreds, wouldnt you say?

[General Leang 0]

I believe you are wrong. It is my understanding that America chose not to participate in World War II until the attack on Pearl Harbour. Even if September 11 was allowed to occur, you are talking about two diffirent topics. To stay out of a war only to retalliate when being forced into it is one thing. But to know of a terrorist attack, and to allow it to occur in order to justify a war for oil and sweeping reforms in a nation is quite another.

[Alphabear 11]

the American Government wanted to join the war however public support for this was very small. The American public was making too much money staying on the sidelines like they were in WW1.

[BWare 0]

Oh kiss my pale white all Canadian @$$ already. If you cant handle a few sharp barbs bluntly shoved at you, feel free to use the door anytime, as far as i giva damn.

Nice.

You frequently, repeatedly and predictablyt fire off your OWN "mean-spirited attacks" but cant handle it when someone has the balls to return many a favor rendered? :lol:

You moron, aside from now, tell me how I've been even close to how much of a jackass you're being right now? I'm NEVER this rude.

Further, i see little reason to give respect to someone who, quite frankly, refuses to do so, or rather more accurately, goes out of his way to make his comments so borderline "impolite" as to get away with it.

Again, how so? I very much respect the opposing viewpoints here of those who actually put some thought behind what they say (ie, not you)

honestly, what your pulling now reeks of a lil kid whining that someone wont yeild to his line of logic which, IMHO is heavily flawed

Then PROVE IT. How in the HELL am I acting like a "little whining kid?" At least I have the ability to civilly argue with people and spell an occasional word correctly.

Your own damned intelligence and government services are saying it these days -- they canNOT, repeat, CAN NOT prove, now or then, that he had a pile of dog**** to throw, paticularly ACROSS A FECKING OCEAN.

Hey! Hey! Guess what? WMDs don't need to be thrown acroos "fecking" oceans! They can also be discreetly handed off to terrorist groups like Al Quaeda and be smuggled in. Ever think about that? If not, don't worry. We have smarter people in power than you, thank God :roll:

General bushel stated, clear and for all the world to hear -- "Saddam had and HAS the capability and DOESIN FACT possess WMD and has refused UN and US access to inspect these weapons, and has made insinuations on using these weapons on neighboring countries as well as the US". Yet, as of today, US and allied forces have been over virtually every square INCH of the chunk of laand formerly known as Iraq and what have they found? A WHOLE LOT OF NOTHINGNESS.

Do you have any idea how large Iraq is? And are you so blind that you can't see the posibility that he smuggled them out before the invasion himself? We gave him plenty of warning.

 

Oh, and the "bushel" thing. Is that supposed to be funny?? Is that what passes for humor in Canada? Oh what a wonderful place :roll:

Dont confuse this with defending saddam -- this is directed directly at the US government, thier lies, thier bullsh!t, and thier excuses to do as they will while ignoring fact, reality and public oppinion.

Yes, we should all listen to you. :roll:

You would know best after all, right? Up there freezing to death in Canada and personally deciding whether or not Saddam had WMDs? Yes, we should really look to you to dictate our foreign policy. You clearly have the best persepective... what, with all the intel you've personally gathered from your couch :roll:

And btw, please dont think of me as a "lone psycho" that beleives this. take it from a Canadian -- this beleif, based on fact, is growing like wildfire.

Okay, then I'll think of Canada as a country full of many psychos... either that or morons. But thinking of you as morons may be giving you too much credit.

[RKCoon 0]

Nice.

Thank you, i do try.

 

You moron, aside from now, tell me how I've been even close to how much of a jackass you're being right now? I'm NEVER this rude.

Do you REALLY want me to go thru every one of your posts, and politely, concicely and repeatedly tear you apart, or are you going to have a wise moment and admit defeat before you even start here? :lol:

 

Again, how so? I very much respect the opposing viewpoints here of those who actually put some thought behind what they say (ie, not you)

Not me, Nor anyone whose view isnt yours.

 

Then PROVE IT. How in the HELL am I acting like a "little whining kid?" At least I have the ability to civilly argue with people and spell an occasional word correctly.

again, do you REALLY want me to backtrack for even the past month and point out every single time your mouth has betrayed how much an ass you are, or do you have at least some inkling of how daft your being here?

 

Hey! Hey! Guess what? WMDs don't need to be thrown acroos "fecking" oceans! They can also be discreetly handed off to terrorist groups like Al Quaeda and be smuggled in. Ever think about that? If not, don't worry. We have smarter people in power than you, thank God

If i were to nitpick about your spelling.. .but since its much more fun to tear on legitamite (like i can spell either lol) points - For example, in the case of Iraq, if they WANTED to be stupid and WANTED to cause damage directly to the US, theyd of done so long before the invasion or 911. the only reason you see mass suicide and "terrorist" attacks in Iraq now, is because they want what THEY view as a foriegn invader out of THIER land, and they feel desperate. im not siding with them, im merely stating precicely how ANY people of ANY country would feel if invaded by a superpower. Further, if they had tried, the US news services would of been all over it -- but have there been ANY Iraq bassed attacks, or attempts ever done on the US? the answer is a solid resounding NO. however, i can easily see that changing if the Americans persist in the foolishness that is attempting to seize a country. as for smarter people in power? I would hope so, the american taxpayers are shelling out HOW much every year to these clowns? id hate to think of thier tax dollars as being wasted.

 

Do you have any idea how large Iraq is? And are you so blind that you can't see the posibility that he smuggled them out before the invasion himself? We gave him plenty of warning.

and i suppose all the billions and billions of dollars the americans, to say nothing of OTHER countries keeping tabs on such things, spend each month on spy sattilites, spy networks etc were completely and totally ineffective in catching such movements of items that, generally are both large and difficult to move? Suuuure.

 

Oh, and the "bushel" thing. Is that supposed to be funny?? Is that what passes for humor in Canada? Oh what a wonderful place

"Oooo someone is insulting bush, im SO offended." Lmmfao

 

You would know best after all, right? Up there freezing to death in Canada and personally deciding whether or not Saddam had WMDs? Yes, we should really look to you to dictate our foreign policy. You clearly have the best persepective... what, with all the intel you've personally gathered from your couch

I dunno, seems to me that, considering how these groups claim to be such a threat to all things "western" (or is that civilised?), that thered be a LOT of 1st world nations, canada included, thatd be keeping tabs on these ****os -- and would act if there were a threat percieved. The americans, especially in the case of 911, were VERY eager to blamethe Canadians in paticular for allowing these clowns thru our borders -- well, news flash, we DO try to live up our advertised promise as a free and open country. more to the point, where the **** were the US intelligence services in this? were they expecting the CANADIANS to do thier job for them (as we have done in everything from Vimy ridge to Korea to a host of others)?

 

Okay, then I'll think of Canada as a country full of many psychos... either that or morons. But thinking of you as morons may be giving you too much credit.

Possibly. but then, you dont see the Canadian people -- or military -- demanding to crush regimes of ANY kind. we still beleive in peaceful meathods of solving diffferences -- to the point that the last time Canada suffered an external attack of ANY kind -- was from our "Southern neighbors". I suggest you take your head out of your overzealous hyperpatriotic derriere and analyse just WHY we are still a peaceful country, WHY we dont get threats of attacks regularly -- and please, save us the bull**** line that its because were not the biggest country out there.

[General Leang 0]

Time to call in the janitors?

[Mr_Lee_ 0]

Gosh BWare, if you were anymore patronising you'd be presenting the weakest link.

 

Why do people feel the need to bring this up again, its quite clear people haven't learnt their lessons and never will.