Anarchy

[Saracen 16]

Be an anarchist then... works for me!

[Mina Synd 0]

pass >.> i don't believe even the best anarchy system could work for long. no order means the oppotunity for bad people to take power o.O anarchy is a state between governments... but let's not drag this into a political discussion here c.c

[TheBlackOut 7]

Saracen and me already somewhat went at it... he knows what I believe

[Doctor Destiny 41]

Be an anarchist then... works for me!

Why? It's as useless as Communism.

[F15pilotX 4]

Worse.

[Luk3us 63]

Anarchy isn't a choice, its a lack of a choice.

[BioBen 3]

So what? your forced into it?

[Saracen 16]

Not forced into it, but no, Luk3us is right, it is a lack of choice so to speak.

 

Anarchy isn't just about the ultimate goal of removing capitalism and the government from power. Every time you curse high taxes, fuel prices, some pathetic law, or feel strongly against something that the government puts in place. That's the Anarchist inside you getting rather ticked off. If you see in the news some people protesting against something, like the G8, they're anarchists.. or if you look at human rights campaigns, animal rights protests, protests about the war in Iraq, against the war on terrorism, that's all Anarchism in action.

 

The fact is without Anarchy, this world would never change. Bob Geldoff used typical Anarchist Direct Action to set up the Live Aid concerts to feed the poor in Africa, cos he refused to believe that the world governments were actually helping them.

 

In 1961 two students in Portugal had a drink and raised their glasses to freedom. State pig police arrested them and they got 7 years in prison for just expressing freedom. a British lawyer soon told the whole country about the events.. Anarchists rallied together and it became a world-wide movement known now as Amnesty International.

 

Even black people who have used "Activism" (which is a blanket term used by the media to prevent the knowledge that Anarchism does work in our society) like Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandella have gone against the system and their governments to gain equality, to gain freedom and peace... and it has worked. Several nobel peace prizes have been given to people over the decades for Anarchist Direct Action...

 

So the next time you hear that so called Activists are doing something, stop and think... they may actually be Anarchists trying to make the world a better place. Anarchy is more than just getting rid of the government and the Hierarchy of things... it's an everyday battle to improve our way of life, while those who we apparently elect to rule over us, destroy it.

[Alphabear 11]

Just because many activists attempt intimidate others by voicing their opinions louder than the populace does not mean they speak for the populace though

[Luk3us 63]

Anarchy is simply a transition stage from one form of control to another. A good example of the process in action would be that **** hole Zimbawave. One way or another that place is going to have a rude awakening.

[TheBlackOut 7]

I'm about to go to work... but I've read your post Saracen you ****ard! ... Sorry, I've just watched the movie "Patton".

[Mina Synd 0]

meh. like luk3us said it's just a temporary state inbetween. you're contradicing yourself saracen... saying that you're an anarchist but agreeing it's a lack of choice. so you're saying you believe in a lack of choice? and even so, what are you expecting to happen? that by going out and arguing against everything you'll make the world a better place? all that's gonna get you is trouble... all it is is a midlife crisis o.o; feeling the need to do something when you know fullwell that you're completely powerless. stop trying to make us join your lack of cause and do something worthwhile o.O; unless you have something specific that you want changing and go about it, nothing will change. you can't just say "oh i'm an anarchist"... unless you are going against something in specific and doing something about it...

[Doctor Destiny 41]

His point is that actions are anarchistic because they flow against the government's position. I don't see it that way; I see them as people who actually give a flying **** about the quality of life instead of just feeding their own aspirations. This, I have no problem with but actively promoting chaos and trying to convince the masses that there is order in chaos is maddening and just plain wrong. People need laws. The second you start telling everyone it's okay to take whatever they want from whoever they want, the world will descend into a hell much worse than its current state.

 

That is why anarchy is destined to fail.

[Dr. Rodney McKay 0]

Well said my fellow physicist.

 

Kingston, if we really did have Anarchy, it wouldn't be the Love Shack like you seem to think. It'd be a Shot through the Heart of society, because of one thing: when you remove laws, you remove the one thing that stops the scumbags from reigning supreme. Look at forums. Forums are a bit of a microcosm of society. Imagine if the GameFAQs forums removed all the rules at this very second. Within three hours it would degenerate into a mishmash of pr0n, LUE, spam, and other terrible things(Basically, 4chan). Know what I mean?

[Gben 20]

Um it's hard to have a discussion without a central thought to argue you around...

But Saracen if you want to go all 'Greco', slick back your hair and stand up in Parliment and say "ANARCHY IS GOOD"...

well I have issue with the 'good' part.

 

 

From dictionary.com:

 

an·ar·chist

–noun

1. a person who advocates or believes in anarchy or anarchism.

2. a person who seeks to overturn by violence all constituted forms and institutions of society and government, with no purpose of establishing any other system of order in the place of that destroyed.

3. a person who promotes disorder or excites revolt against any established rule, law, or custom.

 

an·ar·chy

–noun

1. a state of society without government or law.

2. political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a year of anarchy.

3. a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society.

4. confusion; chaos; disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy followed his loss of faith.

5. Absence of any form of political authority.

6. Political disorder and confusion.

7. Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.

8. from Greek, anarkhia, or "lack of a leader,"

9. noun of state from anarkhos "rulerless," from an- "without" + arkhos "leader" (see archon).

10. a state of lawlessness and disorder (usually resulting from a failure of government)

 

Emphasis Mine.

 

In short Anarchy is the result of a failure of government or leadership which results in chaos, confusion and disorder.

 

An anarchist appears to be a person who seeks to overturn by violence all constituted forms and institutions of society and government, with no purpose of establishing any other system of order in the place of that destroyed.

 

What's good about Anarchy again?

[Saracen 16]

Yes the government will fail (or be overturned by the people), yes there will be Chaos, Confusion and Disorder for a short period of time. But the worst time in the period of Anarchy is the transistion period. Some people will have trouble letting go of the capitalist system. However, Anarchists are team workers. While some may believe in a different level of anarchic change, every Anarchist has knowledge of the greater plan, the manifesto which will create order without control. So there is a system in place for change. The greater purpose is not to create chaos, but to end it.

 

The fact is with a possible recession looming over the world markets, prices going up, wages and salaries staying the same. You're seeing the failure of Capitalism around the world. The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer. All the world governments can do is panic, they are no better than the sterotypical view of Anarchy and you my friends need to realise that with a manifesto, with order, there will be control. This control is individual control of people's lifes, control within the communities of our villiages, towns and cities. A world run by the people for the people. There are certain laws, and there are rules to maintain order, but people agree by them and all play a part. And while this may sound somewhat contradictory, the difference is here that these will not tie people down, they'll only be there for the prevention of criminal intent... Not for the prevention of a person's freedom like capitalism creates.

 

Anarchists have a plan, they have a vision, it helps to read the manifesto, to see what Anarchists really want. And not what the media and governments want you to believe what Anarchy wants.

[Gben 20]

I realise that history is written by the victors, and that one man's terrorist is another man's revolutionary hero, but this statement beggars disbelief:

 

Anarchists are team workers

 

It's a contradiction in terms... and you should hire a better marketing department to come up with a better slogan. "You", by which I mean the collective, have a 'labelling' problem.

 

I'm not disputing your social agenda, or your methods, just your label as an anarchist. Anarchists they are opptunists, compulsive, irrational. They want to tear down established rule not to replace it with a better system, but because they simply want to tear down established rule. They in fact revel in violence. If a group of anarchists are working together, it's a function of "mob" rule not team work.

 

The ends and the means of anarchy are the same. An anarchist wants to create chaos, for chaos' sake.

 

I visited your link, but didn't read. But it sounds like you are a revolutionary not an anarchist.

[Dr. Rodney McKay 0]

That's all assuming 6.8 billion people decide to follow this manifesto. You're talking about what Anarchists want and what Anarchists will do. You're not talking about what the 6.8 billion people are going to do. Sure, a small fraction will most likely support your cause. The rest of the world, however, would degenerate into a quagmire of power struggles of every imaginable kind. Without a government, the poor would be in absolute hell instead of regular, vanilla hell. What makes you think that, without government, the poor would be any better, or the prices of everything from oil to Hello Kitty action figures would go down?

[Alphabear 11]

Im about halfway through the manifesto at them moment. Gben is right, it seems to be more of a communist style revolutionary movement using the anarchist attitude for foundation members and to avoid the negative connotations of previous workers party movements such as Communism. Hell the fact that they call their new society Anarchist Communist gives that away.

 

I will post more of my opinions of this when I'm finished

[Mina Synd 0]

i'm not even gonna read that. anarchists can't have a manifest because all they are trying to do is destroy the government. if you have a manifest you ain't no anarchist. you're another type of political dissident. and by what i've heard, a communist revolutionary. and we all know how communism worked. it doesn't matter what kind of government it is, it needs rules. what can anarchy promise? safety for you and your family? i think not. the second you lay down a law that says no murdering or no raping, some "anarchist" will come along and accuse you of being a bad government. get over yourself... anarchy is pointless and a really bad idea. anarchy just puts us all in the fire instead of just those on the extreme low end of life. and at least even those on the low end at the moment have laws and rights to protect them o.o how would any of us fare without law? it's hard to make a profit if some group of pests is gonna come along and steal it from you o.O

 

so you say there is a certain level of order to the disorder? then it's not anarchy. simple as that.

you're not a warrior for freedom you're a pint sized dictator who thinks he can make the world a better place by ruining it >_> just because your life isn't perfect doesn't mean you should drag the rest of us down with you. if you like anarchy so much go live in one of those poor eastern european countries. they have it pretty close to anarchy there.

[Gben 20]

"we tried Anarchy, but no-one would follow the damn rules"

[Mina Synd 0]

seriously saracen stop posting your propaganda o.o; we ain't anarchists XD the majority of us happen to -like- our commercialism and capitalism... the ones that don't are marxist or communist or something else along those lines. supporting anarchy is a contradiction in terms...

[Soviet_Sniper 0]

I belive in what ever gonna make the best out of everyone and make people come together for instance a CNCNZ forum

[Alphabear 11]

Ahh but that would not exist in the future society according to that manifesto. All non essential industries will be closed down and we would only produce things that were needed, thus no luxuries like CNC

[Luk3us 63]

CNC isn't a luxury, its an necessity.