Schapelle Corby

[General Leang 0]

Kicking myself for not doing this before. What are your thoughts on the Schapelle Corby case, if you know about it?

[GeneralZ 0]

what is it?

[General Leang 0]

The basic story is that Schapelle Corby was a Queensland tourist in Indoneasia, and was found to have drugs in her surfer's bag. She claims that the drugs were planted on her, but her pleas have fallen on deaf ears. People who smuggle drugs in Indoneasia face death by firing squad, but thankfully in this case she will recieve life inprisonment if she is found guilty. The Bali courts had shown their lack of concern when they did not provide aid when Corby fell ill during a court session, as well as blatently ignoring her pleas of innocence and not having an interpreter. There are also many holes in the case, such as the arrest not being shown or the ignorance of the possibility of drugs being planted, something that Australian news channels had given a lot of coverage of. You can find more details about it at the links below.

 

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Baggag...l?oneclick=true

 

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/st...7%5E661,00.html

 

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1367368.htm

 

http://www.nbr.co.nz/home/column_article.a...cname=Australia

 

http://www.themercury.news.com.au/common/s...255E421,00.html

 

http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.js...storyid=3081049

 

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/commo...55E2702,00.html

 

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/commo...255E911,00.html

[GeneralZ 0]

SCREW the Indonesians..... they have a horrible human rights record..... not even a fair and decent trial allowing her to prove her innocence..... In America, she coulds countersued for police negligence or something like that

[Cygnus X-1 12]

I agree with GeneralZ (hey, im a poet and I didnt know it)

 

Indonesia human rights history is terrible, at least in the US it would take so long to prosecute her that 16 different drug and media rights people would have offered her support and shed be funding her defense for free from donations..... :roll:

 

Ah well, not everything's all well and good, but arrest and trial without interpreter and illness.....thats totally unfair.

 

So yes, screw the indonesians who are responsible for this

[Saracen 16]

It's like a woman here in the UK was on holiday in Jordan I think it was and she was sentenced to 8 years imprisonment for taking a pain killer!!!

 

The British Ambassadors managed to get her out of jail after 8 weeks, and she's back home now... but it proves home alot of countries do overdo things first without finding the facts... Thank god we all live in a democracy :roll:

[Acerz492 1]

The ironic thing is, 9 young australians were busted with a large stash of heroin on them a little while after Schapelle was, and the leader is getting the death penalty I think. I haven't been following it much, as there hasn't been much coverage on those 9 people. But from what I heard, many of them were bullied into doing it, so they would probably be let off or serve a jail term. Thing is, these people are asians, and they're the ones who are getting let off or serving a jail term. :roll: So god-damn ridiculous :x :x At least, that's what I've heard, I may be wrong. If I'm not, then I'm pissed off.

 

Haha, and if she was tried by a New Zealand court? She would get about 3 months in prison or a $300 fine or both, under the current marijuana laws. That's at least for possesion, I believe. I don't know much about the Indonesian human rights history, and by the sounds of it, they are pretty bad. Could anyone explain to me what sort of crap they do, besides these ridiculous drug laws and the filthy prisons and such?

 

I agree with GeneralZ (hey, im a poet and I didnt know it)

 

You suck at poetry, the letter Z isn't pronounced "zee", it's pronounced "zed"! U.S. English is not a language :roll: :lol:

[Saracen 16]

Haha, and if she was tried by a New Zealand court? She would get about 3 months in prison or a $300 fine or both, under the current marijuana laws. That's at least for possesion, I believe.

 

And if it's in the UK they police either tell you to go home and smoke it in private, or they confiscate it and smoke it themselves. It's only the police who suck up to the law who will attempt to charge you for posession.

[Acerz492 1]

:lol: :lol: Just like here! Dosen't Democracy work wonders for the people? :roll: Yeesh, our 111 system (The U.S. system is 911, not sure what the British one is..) is getting slagged because Police are too lazy to take on 111 calls, mostly because half the time they're not even serious. But recently, someone died because of a failure in our 111 system, and then the whole "Lazy Police" scheme broke out. It worked as follows: In the police force there are 'ghost' patrol cars, i.e, cars who used to exist but were either written off as a result of a crash or something similar to that. For some reason, these 'ghost' cars were still in the Police databanks, so if a patrolling cop got a report from the base, they would just sit back, and somehow make it seem like these cars were actually doing the patrolling, instead of them. In theory, easy money. But in practice, a stupid, stupid idea.

[Damo 0]

geez Australia's cops suck arse too! we had some "domestic" issues lately and they did nothing. and we call 000 for our cops

[chickendippers 1]

I've never had to deal with the police, but I think they're pretty good in the UK. Unfortunately they have too much paper work, they have to go back and fill in forms every time they arrest someone.

 

UK emergency number is 999

[General Leang 0]

My thoughts exactly. If Schapelle Corby is guilty then she should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. However death or life inprisonment for drug smuggling is not justice. That is insane and barbaric, especially given how Abu Bakar Bashier, who orchatrated the Bali bombings, was not even handed a prison sentance. I think part of it may be politics, in that the courts will convict Corby no matter what in order for them to still appear tough on drugs.

 

GeberalZ raises a good point about countersuing, in that there is due process that must be followed in the prosecution of a suspect. In my mind the courts had failed in this regard by chatting amognst themselves and even reading when Corby pleaded her case. The judge later said that he did not have an interpreter because he did not want to waste his time on the translation. Because the judge failed to do his job in listening to the testimony Corby, unless there is no such law in Indoneasia, should be aquitted.

 

Acerz, the way I understand it that is much the case, with all but the ringleader having drugs on their person, who is currently seperated so as he could not threaten the others.

 

With the police not attending calls, I hear about this sort of thing too often, for reasons ranging from suspected hoaxes to police not wanting to endanger themselves by attending calls in places such as Redfern, a notorious trouble spot in Sydney where it has been known for gangs to lay ambushes for police.

[Acerz492 1]

Heh..you haven't seen gangs untill you've seen New Zealand's gangs. The most notorious gangs are the "Black Power", "Mongruel Mob", "Crips", and the "Bloods". The two former gangs especially could easily rival the Mafia and the Yakuza. I'm not gunna say much on them, as you can probably guess as to what gangs get up to these days, but I will say something:

 

The Crips and the Bloods? They have this whole blue-red thing going on, much like the Allies and the Soviets in RA2, or the Red VS Blue cartoons, except not as comical. If you are wearing something blue ("The Crips") when you are wandering through Bloods (red) territory, they will jump (ambuse, for those not with the local lingo) you. Vice Versa applies as well.

 

:roll: It goes to show that some gangs aren't the sharpest tools in the shed. Especially when one gang spells their name as "The Crips".

You could add an 's' in-between the 'i' and the 'p' and you'd have "The Crisps"! :lol:

 

On second thought, they probably do spell their name as "The Crypts", but I highly doubt any intelluctual person would associate themselves with gangs. :roll: How do I know this? I read. Plain and simple.

 

 

One wonders why the world hasn't exploded due to the stupid people inhabiting the foul corners of the globe. Sad thing is, it is the younger generation that will have to clean up after the older generation's screw-ups.

[Saracen 16]

You cannot fault the old traditional East-end London Gangster. These guys are very harsh and very dangerous. You cannot compare them to the modern day gangster and do not display themselves openly in public. What they do chose to do though is be rather covert, and they will only fight when they feel the time is right. They are the UK's version of the mafia.

 

Although not heard of in the news, recently a feared modern day gang crossed one of the east end gangs when they stole a huge amount of money from them. Two days later the whole modern day gang were dead either in their homes or cars. There were no signs of forced entry, and no evidence that the Eastenders were there.

 

These guys are like hitmen and would stand up to any "so-called" gang of today.

[J-Fire_Man 0]

I'm sorry for interrupting your fun but, I can't just stand like an idiot while I watch my nation being degradated.

 

Well, Since I just played KotORII, I will use Jedi style to explain this 8) '

 

First of all, you can't judge something from just one side. You must understand both sides to trully know the truth and the fact. If you don't do so, you will only make yourself closer to the dark. You can't finish something by hatred, because one hatred, only cause another hatred. This is the root of war.

 

lol, that's all for the Jedi style.

 

Since I live in Indonesia, I know my country condition well. I have some explanation about the Schapelle Corby case:

1. I agree that Indonesian police is not powerfull, most of the police here are affraid to do good things straight, only some people who dare to do so. This is all because the poverty and the lack of dedication among the polices.

 

2. You must understand that the east culture is far different than the west. Drugs are taboo in most region in Asia, and those who still not affected by drugs will try as best as they can to prevent the drug circulation grows wider. You can see take a look at the history, the China's rebellion, Meiji Restoration, etc.

 

3. From some informations I received, I think the island of Bali has one more title, it's the heaven for drug users

 

4. The current political situation here can't give so much hope for drug criminals.

 

5. Every month, millions of dollars were spent for drugs in Indonesia. Which is a bad thing to restore our economy.

 

6. Indonesia is still heavily affected by religion. So, heavy sentences for drug circulators is necessary.

 

7. Hmm......I will think up the other explanations later

:wink:

 

And Leang, the war between Australia and Indonesia won't happen just because drugs problem.

 

And about Abu Bakar Baashier, Leang. I have an explanation about this. It's because the terrorist group in Indonesia, the JI, is not actually exist. It's an abstrack. It's just imagination. It's actually didn't exist. However, some medias seems don't know that the fact is, there is no JI. There is no proof about that. But some people still accuse that the JI is really exist, whenever someone ask them about the proof, the will say "I don't have the proof, but I know it's exist. I know from people around me" or "Sorry, it's classified, I can't show the proof to public.", etc etc etc. That's it, it's like creating a new physics equation which actually calculate nothing.

 

I'm not angry, but if you want to ask about the Schapple Corby I may can answer it. And ofcourse, when I take another visit here again, sorry I'm so busy nowadays so that I can't CNCNZ frequently anymore.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

about gang wars....hm....Chicago 1930's

pretty bad. If the "police" in Austrailia and NZ and other places are afraid to go into these places, they should grab military weapons, go in groups, and just waste the ares to get rid off a lot of theses "gangstas"

 

Its pretty bad if cops are afrai to do their jobs so much that they actually dont do them. Geeze are there no decent people left on this planet? Yur nations have some sort of militaries, so why dont they just raid the cop hunting terroritory and kill the gangs off?? R they scarred too?

 

BTW for those of you who dont know, cops is a reference to police

[BWare 0]

I would be all for that, if they did did it, the media would have pictures of the crying children on the front page :roll:

 

We just don't have, as Stewie of Family Guy would say, the "testicular fortitude" to just do what needs to be done anymore.

[GeneralZ 0]

hurrah, j-fire is back

 

 

now where is that luk3us.....

[General Leang 0]

The Crips and the Bloods? They have this whole blue-red thing going on, much like the Allies and the Soviets in RA2, or the Red VS Blue cartoons, except not as comical. If you are wearing something blue ("The Crips") when you are wandering through Bloods (red) territory, they will jump (ambuse, for those not with the local lingo) you. Vice Versa applies as well.

 

Yes, I know about such gangs, and I think you are being generous in what they do to rival gang members, or who they think are rival gang members. I read, and would believe this to be the case, that in some areas of cities such as New York wearing the wrong jacket, hat or bandana would get you killed.

 

2. You must understand that the east culture is far different than the west. Drugs are taboo in most region in Asia, and those who still not affected by drugs will try as best as they can to prevent the drug circulation grows wider. You can see take a look at the history, the China's rebellion, Meiji Restoration, etc.

 

Certainly, and they should do everything in their power to stop the trafficking of drugs. However, it is a poor sign when one family who discovered drugs had been smuggled in with them and they approached their country's consolate they were told not to go to the police about it. Given the appearence of being guilty until proven innocent, why should people report crimes if they are going to be seen as being involved?

 

3. From some informations I received, I think the island of Bali has one more title, it's the heaven for drug users

 

This I have seen, when reporters would go out into Bali and within minutes have drug pushers try and sell to them. If the problem is so well known, where are the police going undercover to catch these criminals out? If the problem is so bad, could it mean that current tactics do not work?

 

4. The current political situation here can't give so much hope for drug criminals.

 

You will need to explain this to me. The current political situation?

 

5. Every month, millions of dollars were spent for drugs in Indonesia. Which is a bad thing to restore our economy.

 

Spent on drugs or spent on fighting drugs do you mean? Because if millions of government dollars was spent on drugs, you would have to ask why they are buying it.

 

6. Indonesia is still heavily affected by religion. So, heavy sentences for drug circulators is necessary.

 

Such as the Musilum community in Indoneasia? Certainly I understand why they would want stiff penalties for people who deal in drugs, which as insane as I said the laws are if people are smuggling drugs then after a fair and just trial, which is my main grievience about the case, whatever is done to those proven guilty is really nothing less than they deserve.

 

And Leang, the war between Australia and Indonesia won't happen just because drugs problem.

 

Teh, no of course not. This was an idea for a mod that I thought woukd be topical given the current events, and admitably petty feelings on my part over the handling of the case.

 

And about Abu Bakar Baashier, Leang. I have an explanation about this. It's because the terrorist group in Indonesia, the JI, is not actually exist. It's an abstrack. It's just imagination. It's actually didn't exist. However, some medias seems don't know that the fact is, there is no JI. There is no proof about that. But some people still accuse that the JI is really exist, whenever someone ask them about the proof, the will say "I don't have the proof, but I know it's exist. I know from people around me" or "Sorry, it's classified, I can't show the proof to public.", etc etc etc. That's it, it's like creating a new physics equation which actually calculate nothing.

 

So how do you explain the Bali bombing, a terrorist act that killed 114 of your people? How do you explain Jimaar Islamiah taking credit for the attacks? How do you explain Amrozi taunting the families of victims?

 

about gang wars....hm....Chicago 1930's

pretty bad. If the "police" in Austrailia and NZ and other places are afraid to go into these places, they should grab military weapons, go in groups, and just waste the ares to get rid off a lot of theses "gangstas"

 

A little thing called laws unfortunetly. Some people such as the media have a problem when people such as the police go above the call of duty. Someone like Dirty Harry would not fly with the liberal press, even if victims of crime would hail him as a Godsend. It is a shame that the image of police as shown on television dramas is something that real police not only have no hope of living up to, but are expected to live up to despite this.

[Acerz492 1]

I would be all for that, if they did did it, the media would have pictures of the crying children on the front page :roll:

 

We just don't have, as Stewie of Family Guy would say, the "testicular fortitude" to just do what needs to be done anymore.

 

You forgot the old people. Everyone cares for old people! :roll:

 

You're right, Police are just a bunch of pussies ('scuse the language) who are just looking for their next fix. But there are those cops who actually try and do their job, and I'm proud of them. It's the rest of them that's letting the Police forces down.

 

BTW for those of you who dont know, cops is a reference to police

 

:lol: Haha, dude, everyone who can speak english knows that.

[Acerz492 1]

Damn...she got 20 years. Jeez-us. :x

 

That is not fair. :cry:

[General Leang 0]

Yes, and if I may I would like to vent my spleen on this a little. How dare the police cheer the decision. Imagine how Shapelle and her family must feel that they see it as something to celebrate. As good as it may be that she is imprisoned assuming she is guilty they would have to be heartless bastards to do this. Who do they think they are, Nazis celebrating with Hitler? It actually reminded me of the Palestinions celebrating the September 11 attacks.

 

Of course that was not as bad as the scumbad prosecution lawyer telling Australians to go to hell. What a ****ing bastard he is to say that. Thankfully from what I have seen the case has earned Indonesia international scorn, and based on these comments little wonder.

 

Also remember how the judges read during Corby's plea? Well a stratergy is being looked into where she might be released because of the court's mishandling of the case, using the judge's not listening to her as an example. Maybe if they were successful these heartless bastards would be taught a lesson.

[Luk3us 63]

Heartless bastards? I think your reading to much into. They're simply enforcing their laws.. Its not like they have a personnel vendatta against her or anything...

 

 

But yeah.. 20 years seems a long time....

[General Leang 0]

Maybe, maybe not. It would come as no surprise were it to come out that it was political...convict her no matter what so they do not appear weak on drug trafficking. Never mind that Indonesia is considered a heaven for drugs. The judges do not help themselves or Indonesia either, gloating over the verdict. Those comments are only going to fuel anti Indonesian sentiment.

[J-Fire_Man 0]

Well, sorry if some people is offended by the judge decision. I can't do much at the moment, I'm still too young to fight the government. The government is in critical condition at the present, since the dawn of Indonesia in 1998, this country is growing very slowly, and corruption has spread everywhere, most people in the council are arrogant. They prefer to enrich themselves rather than paying attention to the poor. Gladly, some highly influencing people have already shown a straight action that will lead this country to enter a better future.

 

Never mind that Indonesia is considered a heaven for drugs

Nahh....only some parts in Indonesia which have high traffic in drugs circulation, including Bali. Too much tourists there to handle.