Dogfight

[J-Fire_Man 0]

I just wondering.....don't you guys think that the ZH dogfight sucks? I think it is, the airfighter's missiles don't do much damage to the other airfighters. So, I was planning to add machinegun in every airfighters...but I dunno if such thing still used today. Do you guys have any suggestion?

[Dark_Kodiak 0]

Have the fighters have less less armor and restrictive flight times.

 

They can only stay in the air for about 20-45 seconds, that ought to make thing interesting.

[chickendippers 1]

People complain about it not being realistic, then you go and suggest something like 30 seconds of flight :roll:

[J-Fire_Man 0]

I'm not talking about realistic things. It's just I need to fire so much missiles just to destroy one aircraft!!! So, to make things easier, I was planning to add machinegun on the airfighters. I guess, I will check out the some military website.

[Guest MadBadger]

nope sounds good i want better dog fights as in an air mirror have you eva tryed shooting down a king raptor? need min 3 planes going head on to kill one plane :oops:

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Ahh, the double post.

 

A Dogfight would be good, cause this one needs improvement.

I dont knwo about Real Life, but in Ace Combat 4 and 5, the machine guns can and are used on the Fighters, just not all that much. Dead useful for killing Helis and transport planes. Close range enemy fighters too.

[Thierry 0]

Nowadays, in real life, dogfights dont really exist anymore, a pilot just gets a lock on a plane miles away, launches the missile and tails back home.

[Guest MadBadger]

Ha theres nothing like dog fighting on AC5 with only your guns no misslies gota get in close 400" and keep him there till he goes down, i use the guns to finish someone up after using one missle on them i also use the guns on ground targets. See how good you are on AC4 see if you can do the mission where you have to shoot the ballons with your guns with the bomber that cat see as the radars being jamed try it using your misslies you gota be accurate as you have no lock on i can get an A on that without guns S with.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Thats an easy mission. You gotta have eyes for it, and its my fav music from the game, but thats easy to get an S with guns. Never done it without guns though.

[Guest MadBadger]

try it its G awfull you gota be bang on target. and who on earth voted that the dogfights are cool? the planes just bloody circle around and fire mostly missing unless its head on or right behind.

 

 

ooc: can you say god or is that swearing?

[Cygnus X-1 12]

??? I've not ever tried that mission, I've completed it with an A or S ranking numerous times.

 

Swearing isnt ilegal here, just keep it toned down.

[Guest MadBadger]

OMG who made dogfights 50% good? THEY SUCK. Play Ace combat 4 mission 11 or 12 i think when you have to defend a space rocket when its launched THAT my freinds is a GDAMNED ACE dog fight.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

That is my fav mission. Theres like 80+ fighters in it. Dogfight doesnt begin to cover that mission.

[Guest MadBadger]

ace combat 5 has a few gud ens but that one rocks. Ace combat 5 has two realy good ones the one where you fly a parade over the stadium then the yukes attack the stadium and the one after the fortress mission where it starts and you have to follow the 1832 (i think) squad to the fuel plane then about 40 odd jump you 40 v 4 OWNS.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Never played Ace5

 

sounds awesome though

[Egocrusher 0]

Takes like 5 trillion migs to kill a king raptor :roll: so yes dogfighting sucks. Then again, it's not designed for air on air really.

[Gaizokubanou 0]

Ace Combat is way too arcade-ish. Fun game, but it portrays modern air combat in awfully unrealistic fashion.

 

Modern fighters do carry guns on them, and they have various systems to help you aim the weapon in decent range, so you don't have to "guess" where the shots will land (because to hit a fast moving targets such as airplane, you need to shoot ahead of the target, and on board computers do the calculations for you nowdays (= ). From what I can recall, F-15s use radar to aim the guns, and migs use laser (at least SU-35/37 should).

 

But as someone mentioned earlier, most of the air to air combat begins beyond visual range, and usually end at beyond visual range due to high tech missle and guidence systems.

 

To make the air to air combat more interesting while keeping the gameplay closer to real, I would suggest simply removing that silly anti missle laser on the king raptors, and increasing missle damage and range by twice against air targets.

[Guest MadBadger]

if your talking about ace combat gun aiming u aint gota guess you need skill same with the unguided bombs it would be too easy if everything was guided there would be no skill involved

 

p.s i challenge anyone to take out the yuke underwater carrier hrymfaxi (the one in the razgriz straits) using ONLY machine guns on a F class plane or a fighter .

 

p.p.s whats unrealistic? oooh the fact you have more than one missile..... its lame to have 4 missiles you need more to have a good time BF2 is more realistic you have a realistic set of bombs ect but then again fly over the airfield and you get repaired and rearmed MAYBE GAMES DONT HAVE TO BE SUPER REALISTIC!!!!!!!

[Gaizokubanou 0]

if your talking about ace combat gun aiming u aint gota guess you need skill same with the unguided bombs it would be too easy if everything was guided there would be no skill involved

 

p.s i challenge anyone to take out the yuke underwater carrier hrymfaxi (the one in the razgriz straits) using ONLY machine guns on a F class plane or a fighter .

 

p.p.s whats unrealistic? oooh the fact you have more than one missile..... its lame to have 4 missiles you need more to have a good time BF2 is more realistic you have a realistic set of bombs ect but then again fly over the airfield and you get repaired and rearmed MAYBE GAMES DONT HAVE TO BE SUPER REALISTIC!!!!!!!

 

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I don't see where I said Ace Combat's gun shooting system requires you to guess.

 

That entire game is cake, and such challenge is easy to accomplish. Besides, you didn't even mention what difficulty. That task would be extremely easy anything under hard (ammo "might" be a problem but otherwise there is nothing hard about that). And "F class plane or a fighter" ? LOL that F stands for fighter, and there is no "fighter fighter" class aircrafts.

 

You obviously have NO IDEA how real airplanes fly and how it feels to control them. You are right, the payload amount in Ace Combat series are rediculous (50 - 99 missle on a fighter? ROFL), but that's not the only issue. The planes, as long as you fly faster then the minimum speed, fly as there is no gravity, let alone any form of wind in the planet's atmosphere.

 

And DID I EVER SAY BF2 FLYING WAS MORE REAL THEN AC?

 

I don't know what the hell is up with you, but stop the immaturity please. I didn't even bash AC series, nor did I openly argued against your previous posts, but you are posting real stupid stuff at me like you know me or I said something horrible against you.

[Guest MadBadger]

dear god its 5am i dont wana do this but if i dont i neva will

 

weapon in decent range, so you don't have to "guess" where the shoots will land

 

i belive that quote contains guess and shoot READ YOUR OWN POST.

 

do the damn thing on ace difficulty and stick around after the fortress mission and fight all the fighters that come after you. See how long you can last on the arcade katania missions on i think mission 5,6 or 7 on the lower arm where you have cargo planes with 4 fighters spawning ill get the correct game name but you kill 18 cargo planes with 60+ planes on your tail and still call it cake then good for you.

 

when you get 99 missiles in ac5?

 

no i used bf2 as an example of a more realistic load out on you weapons as you can ony carry as many missiles/bombs as there are brakets for them on the plane.

 

stop being paranoid im like this when some idiot person talks about A GAME as if it has to be real.

[F15pilotX 4]

Takes like 5 trillion migs to kill a king raptor :roll: so yes dogfighting sucks. Then again, it's not designed for air on air really.

Exactly why ZH dogfightign STINKS

Generals isn't quite AS bad

[KillerofTanks!! 0]

ZH dogFights sucks....but yuo only need 4 quad cannons to kill a king raptor but in china you need 5 gattling tanks!

[F15pilotX 4]

That's cause gc's take awhile to get to full speed

[F15pilotX 4]

But that's completely off the subject.

 

The generals was pretty good except that ALL of the planes used could carry MUCH more missiles, and wouldn't fire FOUR at one aircraft. :roll:

[Gaizokubanou 0]

when you get 99 missiles in ac5?

 

ok, is 82 better?

 

And yeah, I still think the game is easy after playing things like Lock On: Modern Air Combat. In that game 2 planes can give you good challenge, while in AC5 you need swarms of enemy to get any challenge (if there is any) out of it