Which Religion Is Best For You?

[Hybrid 0]

Fenny is a coward anyway, he can't stand discussing such things with me, i just blow his mind

You never cease to amuse me. You know that Hyb...

 

You love me really fenny boy

[BWare 0]

Well until a Creator does something to catch my eye and prove to me that he exists I'll swing his way. Untill then, however, I will continue to find that the science side to the Universe is a helluva lot more interesting than believing that some all-powerful Creator put it there.

 

It's just one of those things mate. I'm aware of the complexity of the Universe but that dosen't mean to say I'm going to jump on the Creation bandwagon.

I would argue that creation ITSELF is enough to "catch your eye." Plus, the Creator did send his son to earth... but apparently that's not enough for some people. Frankly, nothing would ever be enough for you.

 

And I really don't think you appreciate the scope and depth of complexity in the universe... it defies comprehension. For you to just flat out deny even the possibility of a creator... you just don't get it.

 

It is about as sensible to doubt that evolution occurs as it is to doubt that gravity exists. :roll:

Okay, now once again I do acknowlege the empirical data gathered on MICROevolution, and that it does absolutely occur to some extent. But we're talking about MACROevolution... you know, chicken turns into dog, the only stuff that applies in the creation vs evolution debate. No species has ever benefited from a mutation. What we see through small-scale evolution is a gradual decrease in complexity... just check the 2nd law of thermodynamics. It's the nature of the universe. The evolutionist point of view demands that this law of nature be rutinely broken. It also demands that the spontaneous generation of life once occured, which violates the fundamental law of biology that life only comes from other life. Evolution is a haphazard, messy theory. I would assert that it's more riddled with inaccuracies and wishful thinking than the creationist point of view.

 

BWare - what exactly are the flaws with evolution? If I'm not mistaken you're the evangelists of CNCNZ. If my memory is correct, what makes your opinion (its not evidence, you haven't backed it up) valid.

 

Religion is a dogmatic restriction placed on every human being on the basis that people are easily led as lambs to the slaughter.

That's a cute little rant there, but hardly compelling. Now again, let me explain this... I AM NOT ADVOCATING RELIGION. In many ways I agree with your little rant. I am talking about a logical analysis of the data we have. The funamental elements of Christianity, coupled with good science, do make perfect sense.

 

Another thing... you criticized me for not backing up my opinion, but you haven't either. I touched on the holes in evolution earlier in this post, and now I'd like to hear some good arguments for evolution. Tell me how this crackpot theory explains life. I know, technically, evolution doesn't cover the actual origin of life, but I'm addressing the overall evolutionist point of view.

[Saracen 16]

Fenny is a coward anyway, he can't stand discussing such things with me, i just blow his mind

You never cease to amuse me. You know that Hyb...

 

You love me really fenny boy

 

OK..... Now I'm getting worried :shock:

[Cygnus X-1 12]

And no one ever told me about this thread :wink:

 

Christianity

 

71%

 

Paganism

 

63%

 

Judaism

 

50%

 

Buddhism

 

50%

 

Hinduism

 

46%

 

Satanism

 

46%

 

Islam

 

42%

 

atheism

 

21%

 

agnosticism

 

17%

 

it would appear im more middle ground than I thougt. fine with me. Still christian though

[Acerz492 1]

I would argue that creation ITSELF is enough to "catch your eye." Plus, the Creator did send his son to earth... but apparently that's not enough for some people.

 

I would be inclined to agree with you here, but then you said the Creator sent his son to earth. I assumed that we were not talking about the Christian God here. :roll:

 

Frankly, nothing would ever be enough for you.

 

Damn straight.

 

And I really don't think you appreciate the scope and depth of complexity in the universe... it defies comprehension. For you to just flat out deny even the possibility of a creator... you just don't get it.

 

Oh, so in order for me to comprehend the vastness of the universe and the complexity of the celestial bodies I have to believe that a Creator put it there? :roll: You're basically stating here that I know nothing because I don't believe in Creationism. I never said anything about you not knowing anything because you believe in Creationism. :roll:

 

There's a fine line between debating and trying to impose your beliefs on others, and trying to tell me that I'm wrong just because I don't think like you shows me how intelligent you really are. :roll:

 

If you can't deal with the way I think, and the fact that I'd rather put my faith in Science, over Creationism, that's okay, but please don't insult my intelligence while argueing your point of view. It's childish. :roll:

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Well, BWare hes got you there, you are quite a bit overbearing here. Other people are entitled to their opinions and beliefs, HOWEVER

 

for those of you with differeing beliefs (ok everyone) there is nothing wrong with debating a point or three. But if yo uwant ot debate something, debate the point, not the person making it. Aslo, present credible information, not just dumb or insignificant facts. This is health conversation, but i suggest that it be toned down a bit.

[Mr_Lee_ 0]

but please don't insult my intelligence while argueing your point of view. It's childish. :roll:

 

I hate to break it to you Acerz, but following a talk with some of my sources, it appears that this is the sort of thing BWare will try and rip to pieces anyway. I got told that the mods got fed up of locking topics he'd argued on because there is no room for anyone elses opinion but BWares. Cygnus hit the nail on the head for me in the story being a metaphor of the creation of life.

 

My stepping down on the other thread was at the urging of others but seeing as Acerz and myself share similar opinions here, I've got to say Evolution is the better idea logically and I thought a biology student of all things would acknowledge Evolutionism over Creationism.

 

BWare, are you the creator?

[Guest Rabbit]

Isn't this something that should kind of be merged with the Religious discussion?

[BWare 0]

I would be inclined to agree with you here' date=' but then you said the Creator sent his son to earth. I assumed that we were not talking about the Christian God here. :roll:[/quote']

We're talking about God in general. It's general revelation (creation, the teleological argument for creation) vs. special revelation (direct acts of God, e.g. Jeus Christ). Either way, we're just looking at the information here.

 

Oh' date=' so in order for me to comprehend the vastness of the universe and the complexity of the celestial bodies I have to believe that a Creator put it there? :roll: You're basically stating here that I know nothing because I don't believe in Creationism. I never said anything about you not knowing anything because you believe in Creationism. :roll: [/quote']

You are once again missing the point and jumping to conclusions. I'll say it once again. Please try to get it this time... You more or less flat out deny even the possibility of a creator. I'm not demanding that you believe in Christianity, and I'm not even demanding that you believe in creationism. I'm just saying that all things considered, it is incredibly foolish and arrogant to absolutely rule out the possibility. That's all.

 

There's a fine line between debating and trying to impose your beliefs on others' date=' and trying to tell me that I'm wrong just because I don't think like you shows me how intelligent you really are. :roll: [/quote']

Once again, you're going off on a tangent. I am in no way trying to impose my beliefs or demand that you "think like me."

 

If you can't deal with the way I think' date=' and the fact that I'd rather put my faith in Science, over Creationism, that's okay, but please don't insult my intelligence while argueing your point of view. It's childish. :roll:[/quote']

I never insulted your intelligence. That WOULD be childish. But what's childish on your part is avoiding the actual issues here... you know, the holes in evolution, the mystery of life, etc.

And, I'll say this for the millionth time... I have put my faith and trust in science AND God. I am a scientist! The two aren't mutually exclusive! Geez. And if you're putting your "faith in Science, over Creationism," you should realise that science does nothing to address why or how life ever came into existence.

 

I hate to break it to you Acerz' date=' but following a talk with some of my sources, it appears that this is the sort of thing BWare will try and rip to pieces anyway. I got told that the mods got fed up of locking topics he'd argued on because there is no room for anyone elses opinion but BWares. Cygnus hit the nail on the head for me in the story being a metaphor of the creation of life.[/quote']

"Some of your sources?" You cited one, and it was flimsy. And listen Lee...

My stepping down on the other thread was at the urging of others but seeing as Acerz and myself share similar opinions here' date=' I've got to say Evolution is the better idea logically and I thought a biology student of all things would acknowledge Evolutionism over Creationism.

 

BWare, are you the creator?[/quote']

Nice childish jab at the end there, but no, I am not Almighty Bob. I'm mortal Bill. And hey Lee... how about this? Since I am in fact a biology major up to my neck in advanced science (that's about to kill me, frankly), can't you possibly come down off your high horse and admit that, based on my credibility, there may be some scientific basis for believing creationism? Hm? Or do you just know better? And no, in the other thread you ran out of ammo and ran away with your tail between your legs.... :wink:

[Cygnus X-1 12]

well it should, but it originated as something entirely differnet.

 

We all have our beliefs and opinions. Let tell others abotu htem, but not be overbearing. As some people are (hence, BWare's return)

 

I love science, but I still believe that somewhere, somebody pushed the red button that started it all.

[Doctor Destiny 41]

BWare, I am locking this topic because of you. Cut the arrogant attitude or suffer the consequences.