9/11 what really happend

[GeneralZ 0]

and i suppose all the billions and billions of dollars the americans, to say nothing of OTHER countries keeping tabs on such things, spend each month on spy sattilites, spy networks etc were completely and totally ineffective in catching such movements of items that, generally are both large and difficult to move? Suuuure.

 

RKoon, u make no sense whatsoever. These items are not so large and difficult to move. you can carry a chunk of enriched uranium used in Nukes with u in an container, and theses arent big forces we're talking about. Its a tiny group of men moving items across porous borders. its very hard to catch these movements. oh lets have our spy sattelites identify locate 1 man carrying a trunk as a WMD carrier :roll:

 

Also, it was proven that Bush HAD WMDs. Why do u think we had the first gulf war. But no, gassing the kurds, using chemical weapons against Iran is all a big plot by the US to invade.....and the Chemical Ali was a secret US spy....... :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

When we invaded iraq, we found sites that were formerly WMDs factories gone. What happened to that stockpile of chemical weapons Saddam had? He used them b4, but how come they all disappeared? The invasion of iraq wasnt by surprise.... i predicted it 2 years b4 it happened....read the signs....its not hard to connect the dots.......he had plenty of warning to hide his activities

 

 

Possibly. but then, you dont see the Canadian people -- or military -- demanding to crush regimes of ANY kind. we still beleive in peaceful meathods of solving diffferences

oh its perfectly fine to allow militant despotic regimes who want nukes and hate u, to coexist peacefully. iraq, iran, and north korea just love the capitalist west eh? :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

were they expecting the CANADIANS to do thier job for them (as we have done in everything from Vimy ridge to Korea to a host of others)?

while canadian troops have helped us a lot in our wars, our soldiers are the ones doing the brunt work of the fighting. so Canadiens dont our job for us. they just help us out a little bit.

 

I agree with Cygnus anad Bware that ur points dont make sense and ur a moron. ur so full of conspiracacy theories like the weirdo guy some time ago...what was his name again? its a good thing ur not running any country. Even bush would do sooo much better than u.

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RKoon, u make no sense whatsoever. These items are not so large and difficult to move. you can carry a chunk of enriched uranium used in Nukes with u in an container, and theses arent big forces we're talking about. Its a tiny group of men moving items across porous borders. its very hard to catch these movements. oh lets have our spy sattelites identify locate 1 man carrying a trunk as a WMD carrier

 

Ok not to terribly nitpick ,but its R K C o o n. just so were clear. as for the rest of it -- sounds like a real excuse to keep lookin to me.

 

Also, it was proven that Bush HAD WMDs. Why do u think we had the first gulf war. But no, gassing the kurds, using chemical weapons against Iran is all a big plot by the US to invade.....and the Chemical Ali was a secret US spy.......

 

Im sorry, your saying that I make no sence?? O_o

 

oh its perfectly fine to allow militant despotic regimes who want nukes and hate u, to coexist peacefully. iraq, iran, and north korea just love the capitalist west eh?

 

Sooo preemptive wars are better, by that logic? amazing we got out of the stone age.

 

As to the rest of it i see little point answering someone that cant be bothered to even atempt to write out a full sentence - were not on msn fer ****s sake. :roll: :roll:

[GeneralZ 0]

i'm always on msn....been online for last 2 hours now......

[BWare 0]

Do you REALLY want me to go thru every one of your posts' date=' and politely, concicely and repeatedly tear you apart, or are you going to have a wise moment and admit defeat before you even start here? :lol: [/quote']

Are you serious?? Are you that high on yourself that you don't even realize how little sense you make, and how you can hardly back up a single one of your idiotic points? You're so eager to declare victory that you don't even bother arguing rationally... either that or you're just an immature little man who likes to feel like he "pwnzx0rz3d" someone :roll:

again' date=' do you REALLY want me to backtrack for even the past month and point out every single time your mouth has betrayed how much an ass you are, or do you have at least some inkling of how daft your being here?[/quote']

Oh that's classy. Again, you keep thinking that you're winning these little artificial conflicts (caused by you) despite reality.

If i were to nitpick about your spelling..

Are you serious?? Okay' date=' go ahead and nitpick me. You'll get bored :lol:

.but since its much more fun to tear on legitamite (like i can spell either lol) points

You have yet to do this. Really.

The word is "legitimate"

For example' date=' in the case of Iraq, if they WANTED to be stupid and WANTED to cause damage directly to the US, theyd of done so long before the invasion or 911.[/quote']

So "theyd of done so," huh? This is just wrong to assume. It would be to their ultimate disadvantage if they directly attacked us. As I said earlier, and you seem to have missed it, is that he easily could have handed off the WMDs to smaller, more mobile terrorist organizations. That was the fear, and considering how volatile and, frankly, evil Saddam was, it was a very legitimate one.

the only reason you see mass suicide and "terrorist" attacks in Iraq now' date=' is because they want what THEY view as a foriegn invader out of THIER land, and they feel desperate. im not siding with them, im merely stating precicely how ANY people of ANY country would feel if invaded by a superpower. [/quote']

False. You can't speak for the Iraqis, and to assume you can is very arrogant. They have just been freed from a murderous, evil tyrant who had rape and torture rooms, mass graves, and was guilty of genocide and terror within his own borders. You've been living comfortably your whole life so you have no idea what that's like, but can you just imagine how great it would be to be freed of that?

Also, a large number of the attacks are from foreign terrorists from neighboring countries. Not Iraqis feeling "desperate" about a big scary foreign invader.... an "invader" who's slowly handing the power back to the people and will eventually leave for good. How is this an "invasion" in your mind?

Further' date=' if they had tried, the US news services would of been all over it -- but have there been ANY Iraq bassed attacks, or attempts ever done on the US? the answer is a solid resounding NO.[/quote']

What does this prove? Nobody is arguing that it wasn't a preemptive invasion. We just thought it smart to deal with a threat before another 9/11. What's so damn wrong with that??

as for smarter people in power? I would hope so' date=' the american taxpayers are shelling out HOW much every year to these clowns? id hate to think of thier tax dollars as being wasted.[/quote']

They are. They're much smarter than you or me. Don't lose any sleep about our tax dollars being "wasted" on them :roll:

and i suppose all the billions and billions of dollars the americans' date=' to say nothing of OTHER countries keeping tabs on such things, spend each month on spy sattilites, spy networks etc were completely and totally ineffective in catching such movements of items that, generally are both large and difficult to move? Suuuure.[/quote']

GeneralZ handled this one well. You just don't understand it, obviously. We aren't omniscient. Our satelites are not all-powerful. We still have limited intel, and how are we supposed to see through a box and say "look! It's a WMD!" with our billion dollar satelites?

Oh' date=' and the "bushel" thing. Is that supposed to be funny?? Is that what passes for humor in Canada? Oh what a wonderful place [/quote']

"Oooo someone is insulting bush, im SO offended." Lmmfao

No no... I was criticizing your ridiculous attempt at humor. I don't care that idiots insult him. I'm amused if anything.

Possibly. but then' date=' you dont see the Canadian people -- or military -- demanding to crush regimes of ANY kind.[/quote']

Perhaps they should grow a pair? This is undoubtedly because terrorists or other hostile nations wouldn't waste any resources attacking Canada :lol:

we still beleive in peaceful meathods of solving diffferences -- to the point that the last time Canada suffered an external attack of ANY kind -- was from our "Southern neighbors". I suggest you take your head out of your overzealous hyperpatriotic derriere and analyse just WHY we are still a peaceful country' date=' WHY we dont get threats of attacks regularly -- and please, save us the bull**** line that its because were not the biggest country out there.[/quote']

No, it IS because NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU.

America also believes in diplomacy as the best solution, but in the case of Iraq when diplomacy had CLEARLY failed, what with the dozens of ignored resolutions for years and years and the evasion and misdirection with the weapons inspectors, war, the last result, was used to eliminate the threat.

 

 

 

 

I agree with Cygnus anad Bware that ur points dont make sense and ur a moron. ur so full of conspiracacy theories like the weirdo guy some time ago...what was his name again?

Haha' date=' his name was hypno I think.... yeah, it's basically another one of those.

 

 

 

 

Gosh BWare, if you were anymore patronising you'd be presenting the weakest link.

A "weakest link" reference? Seriously?

Okay then... but how am I being patronising? Are you actually reading what this rkcoon clown is writing? I'm mostly responding in anger anyway. I just hate it when people become this arrogant and insulting.

[RKCoon 0]

:lol: :lol: :lol: and the laughs never stop.... ROFL

 

Are you serious?? Are you that high on yourself that you don't even realize how little sense you make, and how you can hardly back up a single one of your idiotic points? You're so eager to declare victory that you don't even bother arguing rationally... either that or you're just an immature little man who likes to feel like he "pwnzx0rz3d" someone

Actually itsa half assed intelligent guy (which puts me a good 3/4 above some here XD) stickin it to stuck up right wingers, who, the more you talk to them, the stupider it gets, cause right wingers never do yeild to logical reasonable points. as proven already.

 

You have yet to do this. Really.

The word is "legitimate"

TY, and just watch, if past ones werent enough....

 

America also believes in diplomacy as the best solution, but in the case of Iraq when diplomacy had CLEARLY failed, what with the dozens of ignored resolutions for years and years and the evasion and misdirection with the weapons inspectors, war, the last result, was used to eliminate the threat.

Do you mean like the Americans behavior concerning the Softwood lumber dispute? or the whole NAFTA issue (damned assmunch, i beleive it was mulruny, that signed that POS)? or to what aessentially amounts to the US withdrawl to much of the UN and its policies, guidelines etc?

 

So "theyd of done so," huh? This is just wrong to assume. It would be to their ultimate disadvantage if they directly attacked us. As I said earlier, and you seem to have missed it, is that he easily could have handed off the WMDs to smaller, more mobile terrorist organizations. That was the fear, and considering how volatile and, frankly, evil Saddam was, it was a very legitimate one.

and again, i say point blank -- they found none, and from what they are saying, they hadnt had em for a substantial amount of time prior to the attacks (perhaps when THE US REMOVED THEM THE LAST TIME???:lol:), and more to the point, especially post 911, the effectiveness, that is IF we are to beleive the claims of the US military, inteligence and political fronts, has been dramaticly sliced down. so which IS it? are terrorists so much a threat directly to the us (meaning that the US defences and guidelines are utterly innefective) that premptive wars must be done? in short, are you guys that bloody insecure??

 

False. You can't speak for the Iraqis, and to assume you can is very arrogant. They have just been freed from a murderous, evil tyrant who had rape and torture rooms, mass graves, and was guilty of genocide and terror within his own borders. You've been living comfortably your whole life so you have no idea what that's like, but can you just imagine how great it would be to be freed of that?

Also, a large number of the attacks are from foreign terrorists from neighboring countries. Not Iraqis feeling "desperate" about a big scary foreign invader.... an "invader" who's slowly handing the power back to the people and will eventually leave for good. How is this an "invasion" in your mind?

 

Well, if we are to beleive even the US media, the " murderous, evil tyrant who had rape and torture rooms, mass graves, and was guilty of genocide and terror within his own borders" (which the joke of a court in Iraq has STILL yet to conclusively prove ill remind you) has been replaced by, to start, us military and economic interests forcing thier way in country, rougue terrorist and resistance cells blowing up virtually anything the americans get near or touch, and reducing a country which DID in fact have a stable, reasonably solid infastructure replaced with a good deal of chaos. This isnt conjecture, this is on the news every damned day. At least, if you dont watch FOX (i already spelled out what that stood for lmao) at any rate.

 

As for the term "Invasion", the dictionary definition is -

1. The act of invading, especially the entrance of an armed force into a territory to conquer.

2. A large-scale onset of something injurious or harmful, such as a disease.

3. An intrusion or encroachment.

Well, im sure many consider the americans as #2, but i cant quite say that as i dont beleive it. (ill reserve THAT honor for religion. :lol:) However, i would say that #s 1 and 3 fit perfectly to both Afghanistan and Iraq, wouldnt you?

 

What does this prove? Nobody is arguing that it wasn't a preemptive invasion. We just thought it smart to deal with a threat before another 9/11. What's so damn wrong with that??

Perhaps the fact that the UN and much of the world didnt view one pisspot country that hadnt sorted out its own internal strife as enough of a threat to its neighbors or anyone else to WARRANT said "preemptive strike", paticularly AFTER being invaded and essentially cleaned out once already? And STILL dont?

 

They are. They're much smarter than you or me. Don't lose any sleep about our tax dollars being "wasted" on them

Nah, i just lose sleep on the thought that these retards, with thier fingers on the triggers, are the same ones that cant even come out with an honest reason for attacking and eizing a country, that cannot even be honest about thier own personal pasts, that cannot even keep from bankrupting thier country, that have done great amounts in blowing to **** thier own constitution, etc etc etc.

 

GeneralZ handled this one well. You just don't understand it, obviously. We aren't omniscient. Our satelites are not all-powerful. We still have limited intel, and how are we supposed to see through a box and say "look! It's a WMD!" with our billion dollar satelites?

 

FINALLY he admits it. No, you nore the US government are NOT gods -- so you ****s do NOT have the right to behave as tho you are. just because you THINK they are out to get you doesnt give you the right to blow the **** out of thier home country. Or are you acting now like those radical Muslims promising to do the same over a set of fecking cartoons??

 

No no... I was criticizing your ridiculous attempt at humor. I don't care that idiots insult him. I'm amused if anything.

eh, it was a lame line i stole from someone that i thought fit well. What passes for humor around here, actually, is the daily shlock we see on Fox news, or what we call up here, Fox comedy central, as a lone example.

 

Perhaps they should grow a pair? This is undoubtedly because terrorists or other hostile nations wouldn't waste any resources attacking Canada

Ask the last country that invaded us how big our pair were. or, look to that nicely (TWICE!) rebuilt white house. i mean hell, a handfull of mounties and a small batallion of local natives held off what was it, 20,000+ heavily armed union soldiers? :lol: I wont deny that the last 40 years or so we canucks have been a little too mild -- especially to the assmunches in the white house. And your right, tis a good thing im NOT in politics -- the first thing id do is shut down water and power and trade that flows to the US on a desperately (american) needed hourly bases -- For the simple fact that itd take some work, yes, to make Canada 100% self sufficient -- but the US never has and never WILL be.

 

Also better put as "You americans need us Canadians, a HELL of a lot more than we need you."

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We need ya'll more than ya'll need us? Mexico could take your ass down if they really wanted to.

 

Also, that White House crack is getting old, nowadays in 2 minutes we could have your parliament bombed and buried. (Also, ya'll got help from the Brits with the White House. )

[GeneralZ 0]

The canadiens? How many divisions do they have? :lol:

[BWare 0]

RKCoon, you are a complete and utter moron. You are a clown. Little else needs to actually be said about you, but what the hell. I'm bored...

 

Actually itsa half assed intelligent guy (which puts me a good 3/4 above some here XD) stickin it to stuck up right wingers' date=' who, the more you talk to them, the stupider it gets, cause right wingers never do yeild to logical reasonable points. as proven already. [/quote']

I'm getting "stupider" the more you talk to me, eh? And again, HOW IN THE HELL ARE YOU "STICKIN IT" TO ME?? You jackass, stop claiming victory and MAKE A DAMN POINT.

 

and again' date=' i say point blank -- they found none, and from what they are saying, they hadnt had em for a substantial amount of time prior to the attacks (perhaps when THE US REMOVED THEM THE LAST TIME???:lol:), and more to the point, especially post 911, the effectiveness, that is IF we are to beleive the claims of the US military, inteligence and political fronts, has been dramaticly sliced down. so which IS it? are terrorists so much a threat directly to the us (meaning that the US defences and guidelines are utterly innefective) that premptive wars must be done? in short, are you guys that bloody insecure??[/quote']

Do I really have to keep reminding you about 9/11? You know, the complete destruction of the World Trade Center and slaughter of 3,000 innocent Americans? WE HAVE REASON TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT NATIONAL DEFENSE.

Plus, no one ever claimed that the US is "all powerful." That's one of your dumbass stereotypes of us. Learn to separate them from reality :roll:

 

Well' date=' if we are to beleive even the US media, the " murderous, evil tyrant who had rape and torture rooms, mass graves, and was guilty of genocide and terror within his own borders" (which the joke of a court in Iraq has STILL yet to conclusively prove ill remind you)[/quote']

Are you KIDDING ME? Holy hell, you are such a moron... it's unbelievable. Are you actually claiming that these things didn't happen under Saddam??? There's no question about it!!

 

...has been replaced by' date=' to start, us military and economic interests forcing thier way in country, rougue terrorist and resistance cells blowing up virtually anything the americans get near or touch, and reducing a country which DID in fact have a stable, reasonably solid infastructure replaced with a good deal of chaos.[/quote']

That's regime change for ya. The former Iraq was a place of great evil and terror within its own borders. There were IN FACT torture and rape rooms, mass graves, widespread oppression and fear, and all that. The fledgling court system now doesn't need to prove it to make it true you dolt. The proof is there!! There's no questioning it!! The Iraqi people are IN FACT far better off now than they were under Saddam.

 

This isnt conjecture' date=' this is on the news every damned day. At least, if you dont watch FOX (i already spelled out what that stood for lmao) at any rate.[/quote']

Why is it that you hate Fox so much? Well that trendy little prejudice of yours aside, the news media is in general directly slated against the war. There are many reasons for this, the most understandable one (for you at least :roll:) being the sensationalism of bad news. If a cowardly car bomb attack blows up a square full of innocent people on the same day that hundreds of schools open and little girls in Iraq get to go to school for the first time, which do you think gets press? Learn to read the news without blindly accepting it as complete and objective :roll:

 

Perhaps the fact that the UN and much of the world didnt view one pisspot country that hadnt sorted out its own internal strife as enough of a threat to its neighbors or anyone else to WARRANT said "preemptive strike"' date=' paticularly AFTER being invaded and essentially cleaned out once already? And STILL dont?[/quote']

They weren't "cleaned out." The former President Bush showed restraint in only doing what he had set out to do, and did NOT in fact "clean out" Iraq. The UN is a joke, and is incapable of restraining rogue nations like Iraq... a country with great influence and power.

 

Oh, and Iraq isn't a "pisspot" country you moron.

 

Nah' date=' i just lose sleep on the thought that these retards, with thier fingers on the triggers, are the same ones that cant even come out with an honest reason for attacking and eizing a country, that cannot even be honest about thier own personal pasts, that cannot even keep from bankrupting thier country, that have done great amounts in blowing to s*** thier own constitution, etc etc etc.[/quote']

Again, your ignorance shines through in all its pathetic glory. Keep in mind that you are a single loser freezing to death up in the Yukon, and you are talking about the leaders of the free world. Just some perspective. We can't take you seriously when you call them "retards" (very classy, by the way :roll:).

That rant was typical, unoriginal, uninteresting, and completely and utterly flawed to its core.

...oh, and the term is "finger on the button" :lol: :roll:

 

FINALLY he admits it. No' date=' you nore the US government are NOT gods -- so you ***** do NOT have the right to behave as tho you are.[/quote']

You mean policing the world and keeping rogue countries in check? Yes, we actually do have a right to do that. If not us, then who?

If not for us, much of the world could very well be in chaos. In many cases it's helpful to have a superpower broker peace deals, etc.... and we're the only true superpower on earth.

 

just because you THINK they are out to get you doesnt give you the right to blow the s*** out of thier home country. Or are you acting now like those radical Muslims promising to do the same over a set of fecking cartoons??

Now we have a brilliant comparison between a calculated' date=' preemptive invasion of a rogue nation and a worldwide chaotic riot over a cartoon. Yeah, there's some real room for comparison there. :roll:

Man..... this is just pathetic. Why am I even wasting my time arguing this with such a clown? Seriously, this is just weird.

 

Ask the last country that invaded us how big our pair were. or, look to that nicely (TWICE!) rebuilt white house.

Ah yes, the glory days of Canada... when their ridiculous horse-mounted police were actually worth a damn :lol:

I'd like to see your country try that now. Frankly, I don't really see how beating up a fledgling colony-based country is reason to brag, especially now that about 2 centuries have passed

 

Also better put as "You americans need us Canadians' date=' a HELL of a lot more than we need you."[/quote']

:rofl:

...oh man that's adorable :lol:

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Okay, this is just getting nasty now. If people cannot pose their thoughts in a civil manner please close the thread.

[RKCoon 0]

*shrugs* sorry if people think im beiong nasty -- im just havin fun pressing (ok, hitting with a sledgehammer) Bwares buttons. XD

[General Leang 0]

Which would make you a troll. If that is how you are going to post then we do not want you here.

[RKCoon 0]

SHeesh. I take it the element of "a joke" is lost here somewhere? ok, seriously tho -- I do think ive made more than a few valid points, as has prettymuch everyone else here, heatedness aside. I havent seen much really that would suggest things are getting out of hand. o.O

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Hello, my name is AnestheticXI and I will be making you my b**** today. =D

I'm getting "stupider" the more you talk to me' date=' eh? And again, HOW IN THE HELL ARE YOU "STICKIN IT" TO ME?? You jackass, stop claiming victory and MAKE A DAMN POINT.

[/quote']

I believe his point is you are a dip****. If you are to blinded by your ignorance to see that the people in Iraq do NOT want us there, you honestly need to be shot. Americans think that Democracy is the only way. Well guess what? Democracy was created to be perfect, as was COMMUNISM. But look at them both? Communism is one suppressive S.O.A.B, and our democracy is run by idiots. To be honest, we are NOT a democracy. A TRUE democracy is COMPLETELY run by the people through Voting. Not a senate, nothing. It all goes back to ancient Greece and Rome. But back to MY point. Are the Chinese asking for us to come invade their land to put and end to their government? Um, no. Was Iraq? Nope. We went there anyway. Do they want us there? No. We are the terrorists to them. Honestly, how would you feel is the biggest world power invaded your small (Compared to the USA) territory? THAT is RKCoon's point.

 

Do I really have to keep reminding you about 9/11? You know' date=' the complete destruction of the World Trade Center and slaughter of 3,000 innocent Americans? WE HAVE REASON TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT NATIONAL DEFENSE.

Plus, no one ever claimed that the US is "all powerful." That's one of your dumbass stereotypes of us. Learn to separate them from reality :roll:

[/quote']

 

Well, there wouldn't have BEEN 9/11 if the f'ing CIA and FBI wern't such idiots and worked together like they should, would there? No. In all honesty, it is OUR fault 9/11 happened. We are the ones to blame.

 

Are you KIDDING ME? Holy hell' date=' you are such a moron... it's unbelievable. Are you actually claiming that these things didn't happen under Saddam??? There's no question about it!!

[/quote']

 

Saddam was an evil man. It is a good thing he is out of power now, but it really was NOT our place to do it. It was the Iraqi citizens duty to remove their power.

 

That's regime change for ya. The former Iraq was a place of great evil and terror within its own borders. There were IN FACT torture and rape rooms' date=' mass graves, widespread oppression and fear, and all that. The fledgling court system now doesn't needto prove it to make it true you dolt. The proof is there!! There's no questioning it!! The Iraqi people are IN FACT far better off now than they were under Saddam.

[/quote']

 

That's why they are dieing everyday, in suicide bombings. Right? Trying to make us leave? That's better off?

 

Why is it that you hate Fox so much? Well that trendy little prejudice of yours aside' date=' the news media is in general directly slated against the war. There are many reasons for this, the most understandable one (for you at least :roll:) being the sensationalism of bad news. If a cowardly car bomb attack blows up a square full of innocent people on the same day that hundreds of schools open and little girls in Iraq get to go to school for the first time, which do you think gets press? Learn to read the news without blindly accepting it as complete and objective :roll:

[/quote']

 

That is probably one of the few times I will agree with you.

 

They weren't "cleaned out." The former President Bush showed restraint in only doing what he had set out to do' date=' and did NOT in fact "clean out" Iraq. The UN is a joke, and is incapable of restraining rogue nations like Iraq... a country with great influence and power. Oh, and Iraq isn't a "pisspot" country you moron.

[/quote']

 

Yep. A desert country has a TON of power and influence. Just look at them! They live in F@#$ING RAGS! It is like going to the middle of Nevada and getting LOST.

 

Again' date=' your ignorance shines through in all its pathetic glory. Keep in mind that you are a single loser freezing to death up in the Yukon, and you are talking about the leaders of the free world. Just some perspective. We can't take you seriously when you call them "retards" (very classy, by the way :roll:).

That rant was typical, unoriginal, uninteresting, and completely and utterly flawed to its core.

...oh, and the term is "finger on the button" :lol: :roll:

[/quote']

 

Yeah...You do realize that Canada is probably the most FREE country on this planet? Lets use the Patriot Act to back myself up. It gives the government the right to take action against people believed to be terrorist(s), or someone affiliated with a terrorist(s). Now, who or what deems that person(s) a terrorists? President Bush and his junkies. Just a bit of advice, don't wear an Anti-Bush T-Shirt out side a protest. Even an F'ing non-violent one. You can and most likely WILL be arrested. Does Canada have ANY of this? Um. No?

 

You mean policing the world and keeping rogue countries in check? Yes' date=' we actually do have a right to do that. If not us, then who?

If not for us, much of the world could very well be in chaos. In many cases it's helpful to have a superpower broker peace deals, etc.... and we're the only true superpower on earth.[/quote']

 

No, we really don't. Kid, you may be older than me but you are a complete idiot! We started policing the world when President Clinton took office. He sent our troops ALL over the world. We need to mind OUR buisness, not the worlds. We have enough trouble keeping THIS country in check, let alone all the planet.

 

Now we have a brilliant comparison between a calculated' date=' preemptive invasion of a rogue nation and a worldwide chaotic riot over a cartoon. Yeah, there's some real room for comparison there. :roll:

Man..... this is just pathetic. Why am I even wasting my time arguing this with such a clown? Seriously, this is just weird.

[/quote']

 

Kiddo, you are just upset because a Canadian and a 16 year old kid are wiser than you.

 

Ah yes' date=' the glory days of Canada... when their ridiculous horse-mounted police were actually worth a damn :lol:

I'd like to see your country try that now. Frankly, I don't really see how beating up a fledgling colony-based country is reason to brag, especially now that about 2 centuries have passed

[/quote']

 

Get your fat @$$ off the couch, go outside, get in your car and take a drive off the nearest cliff. You DARE disrespect the greatest country in the world? Power isn't everything kid.

 

:rofl:

...oh man that's adorable :lol:

 

Well, it's in. You're an immature child. When you grow up and learn how the government was created, and SUPPOSED to be run, I want you to go back to the ancient Greeks, Romans...**** even the Mesopotaimians and the Egyptians. You will be amazed with how wrong and STUPID you are.

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o.o aaannndd i think i can eat my words now lol

 

Tho -- i really gotta gree with much of what was just said... Nice to see an american agree with me.

[General Leang 0]

Ah, Anesthetic is it? You a fan of Mick Foley? Into the sock puppet act?

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I was very bored, so I had a read through the patriot act, and I have some questions.

 

http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html

 

Whats patriotic about not trading with North Korea? (section 221)

 

How do people not miss $600,000,000,000 going to criminal and terrorist funding each year? (section 302)

 

Why do these Acts murder the English language? (All)

[TheBlackOut 7]

*shrugs* sorry if people think im beiong nasty -- im just havin fun pressing (ok, hitting with a sledgehammer) Bwares buttons. XD

 

One day...

 

*Ding dong*

 

You: Yah?

Bware: You know CNCNZ.com? *starts to grin*

You: Oh... Yah, how do youh...... ****! *Closes door*

Bware: *Goes mad with....... something* Bill is gonna get you! Muwahaha!

 

Your name is Bill, right?

 

 

Mr. Lee.... You must of been kind of high and bored at the same time.

[Acerz492 1]

Wow.

 

Just, wow.

 

We have a horse's corpse that has been beaten, skinned, beaten some more, thrown off of a large cliff face, beaten yet again, and the front left leg cut off. And then, said leg was used to beat the horse's corpse. Again.

 

Meh, at least it's on topic, and at least it's somewhat entertaining. :wink:

[GeneralZ 0]

u dont make any sense either Anesthetic.

 

Get your fat @$$ off the couch, go outside, get in your car and take a drive off the nearest cliff. You DARE disrespect the greatest country in the world? Power isn't everything kid.

drive of a cliff for insulting canada? canada the greated country? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: HAHAHAHAHAHAH ohh thats so funny...... oh btw, US> canada. we could kick ur asses anytime

 

It was the Iraqi citizens duty to remove their power.

thats just funny...oh, and btw, in dictatorships, its almost impossible to remove evil despot by the people. u always need outside support. what happened when the Kurds tried to rebel? Gassed. Hey, they tried but did it work? thats how dictatorships always work. secret police, terrorize them, and control them. what removal of power? i though u would know that already

 

Well, there wouldn't have BEEN 9/11 if the f'ing CIA and FBI wern't such idiots and worked together like they should, would there? No. In all honesty, it is OUR fault 9/11 happened. We are the ones to blame.

Lemme email u 10000 different death threats. Then i'm going carry through with 1 of them. u should be able to avoid me since u were already informed.

 

Yep. A desert country has a TON of power and influence. Just look at them! They live in F@#$ING RAGS! It is like going to the middle of Nevada and getting LOST.

rags? Did some1 say sitting on large oil fields + WMDs (he had them b4) = major world player? :roll:

 

Well, it's in. You're an immature child. When you grow up and learn how the government was created, and SUPPOSED to be run, I want you to go back to the ancient Greeks, Romans...**** even the Mesopotaimians and the Egyptians. You will be amazed with how wrong and STUPID you are.

and u know how the government supposed to be run? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

really, u and rkcoon make canadiens sound like arrogant morons. ur points dont make sense. u act like u know everything, when in fact everything u say is ridiculous. ur a pompous fools who's so ignorant of reality its..... lets just say arrogance + ignorance = complete moron

[AnestheticXI 0]

Kid, learn to spell. Possibly take an English class in your free time.

 

I love how RK and I make perfectly valid points, but are insulted by incompetent morons, who really do not know of what they speak. GeneralZ, I am an American citizen and I am horribly embarassed for being so. Maybe when you get out of 6th grade, or pry your fat @$$ away from the computer screen and go outside, we can talk like civilized people.

 

You need to do some research. Before 9/11, the CIA and FBI were not on Speaking terms. They were like two divorced people that BOTH got caught cheating on the other. They didn't talk, Share Intel, NOTHING. Now, HAD they been working together, I promise you 9/11 would have never happened.

 

Now, Iraq had WMD's, huh? They probably did. But what do you say to the United States ENORMOUS supply of Nuclear Warheads? Maybe even our Hyrdrogen Bombs? You DO realize that if less than TEN H-Bombs were detonated in specific locations around the world, at the same time, Earth would no longer exist? They are more powerful than the Atomic Bomb, but with our Supply of HOW MANY? In a way, we are the Terrorists to the smaller countries in the world.

 

The USA's days are limited. We will not remain the world power for many years to come. Look at Rome for example. The Empire was formed about 4 B.C but the last part fell apart in the 700's. (That would be the Holy Roman Empire; or the Western Empire) Did it last for ever like it was supposedly going to? Nope. What about Greece? Athens was the power of the old world, but is IT still in power? It is barely known about now, except for historical purposes.

 

Oh, and I PROMISE you RKCoon could kick BWare's ass without breaking a sweat. ****, screw that, he could do it without getting up. The man is huge. He also has many years on him.

 

Lastly, in Mr_Lee's defense, if you, TheSovietBlackOut, think what he did is boring, you should NOT have replied here in the first place. After all, this has become a big argument over politics, right? If YOU think it is boring, go the hell away and don't post again. You obviously have no CLUE what the hell you are talking about; ****, you don't even understand what you are reading.

[BWare 0]

Oh boy oh boy, another moron to contend with :roll:

Hello' date=' my name is AnestheticXI and I will be making you my b**** today. =D[/quote']

False.

I believe his point is you are a dip****. If you are to blinded by your ignorance to see that the people in Iraq do NOT want us there' date=' you honestly need to be shot.[/quote']

Well that's classy. Starting out with a death threat... and in light of you making fun of GeneralZ's english, here's a tip: the word "to" does NOT equal the word "too." :roll:

 

Also, since when is "OMG ur a dip**** lolz!!11" a valid point to be defended? :roll:

Americans think that Democracy is the only way. Well guess what? Democracy was created to be perfect' date=' as was COMMUNISM. But look at them both? Communism is one suppressive S.O.A.B, and our democracy is run by idiots.[/quote']

This is a meandering, pretty much useless point. Every government system is intended to work, yeah. How is this a point? :?

 

To be honest, we are NOT a democracy. A TRUE democracy is COMPLETELY run by the people through Voting. Not a senate, nothing.

Have you not gotten there in school yet? A true demorcracy as large as the US basically can't run effectively. No one is arguing that we aren't a representative demorcacy :roll:

Are the Chinese asking for us to come invade their land to put and end to their government? Um' date=' no. Was Iraq? Nope. We went there anyway. Do they want us there? No. We are the terrorists to them. Honestly, how would you feel is the biggest world power invaded your small (Compared to the USA) territory? THAT is RKCoon's point.

Yes, and I addressed it. It's a silly, immature point to be totally honest, but here's the response once again:[/quote']

The people of Iraq were being oppressed and terrorized by their own leader. This leader posed a possible threat to us, and since the UN offered little help in actually enforcing their useless resolutions, we decided to take action and remove him. The terrorism we now face over there is NOT home brewed, but instead is from over the border in many cases.

 

If they hate what we've done so much, why did such an incredible number show up for their elections, and why aren't we seeing an actual resistance movement? Isolated acts of terror don't speak much for a resistance movement. The proof for your point of view is just not there.

Well' date=' there wouldn't have BEEN 9/11 if the f'ing CIA and FBI wern't such idiots and worked together like they should, would there? No.[/quote']

I couldn't agree more. Clinton's administration put that wall up in order to save face after the whole Waco Texas mess... the wall blocked intel that could easily have stopped the attacks.

In all honesty' date=' it is OUR fault 9/11 happened. We are the ones to blame. [/quote']

And here you lose ALL potential credibility. If this is what you actually believe, then you are without question a complete and utter moron. This is such a slap in the face to those who lost family members in that attack. How DARE you blame it on THEM? Do you not even have a soul? You're essentially blaming the rape victim for the rape. This is just sick thinking.

Saddam was an evil man. It is a good thing he is out of power now' date=' but it really was NOT our place to do it. It was the Iraqi citizens duty to remove their power. [/quote']

In principal, I do agree with you here. It is the job of the citizens to control their own government. However, this can't always be the case. Things get far more complicated in the real world.... For instance, do you think that we should have stepped back and let the German people take care of Hitler for us? How about Stalin? Sometimes a superpower is needed to do step in and do the right thing.

That's why they are dieing everyday' date=' in suicide bombings. Right? Trying to make us leave? That's better off?[/quote']

Yes.... the few isolated bombings in this transition period are actually far better than the terror brought on them by Saddam.

Yep. A desert country has a TON of power and influence. Just look at them! They live in F@#$ING RAGS! It is like going to the middle of Nevada and getting LOST.

This point really speaks of an immaturity in you. "Living in rags" is a typical phenomenon in third world dictatorships. It doesn't mean that they don't have wealth or power or influence. Iraq has all these things in excess. It means that they are held solely by the few in power' date=' ie Saddam. For the record, Iraq is a VERY influential and wealthy country, hence many of the conspiracy theories about our decision to invade.

Yeah...You do realize that Canada is probably the most FREE country on this planet?

ARE YOU SERIOUS??? HAHAHA!!! Wow. Okay, now tell me what's so damn "free" about having NO CHOICE in what you do for health care? Canada, a heavily socialist country, is far closer to communism than the freedom we see here in the US.

Lets use the Patriot Act to back myself up. It gives the government the right to take action against people believed to be terrorist(s)' date=' or someone affiliated with a terrorist(s). Now, who or what deems that person(s) a terrorists?[/quote']

Well this is pretty simple. If you're caught trying to blow thousands of innocent civilians up, I think it's PRETTY SAFE to assume that you're a terrorist :lol:

Bush T-Shirt out side a protest. Even an F'ing non-violent one. You can and most likely WILL be arrested. Does Canada have ANY of this? Um. No?

Neither does the US. I'm not sure where you get this idea' date=' but it is completely and utterly false. You can wear whatever the hell you want in America!

No, we really don't. Kid, you may be older than me but you are a complete idiot! We started policing the world when President Clinton took office. He sent our troops ALL over the world. We need to mind OUR buisness, not the worlds. We have enough trouble keeping THIS country in check, let alone all the planet.

You have the audacity to call me "kid?" Alright, that's cute and all, but don't make me mad here.

Also, you're completely wrong here. Are you completely unaware of that little police action known as Vietnam? How about that entire War on Communism? These things, and our role as the World Police, predate the Clinton presidency by YEARS.

Your teacher must not have gotten to that chapter yet. Hang in there :roll:

Kiddo' date=' you are just upset because a Canadian and a 16 year old kid are wiser than you.[/quote']

"Kiddo?" Are you serious? Watch it kid.

Get your fat @$$ off the couch' date=' go outside, get in your car and take a drive off the nearest cliff. You DARE disrespect the greatest country in the world?[/quote']

Greatest country in the world....... wow. Do I even need to

How about backing that cute little assertion up? :lol:

Also, this suicide thing isn't a laughing matter. I know people who have actually done what you're talking about here. As you grow and mature into an adult, I hope you'll develop enough class not do laugh about suicide :roll:

Also, as for my "fat @$$..." I'm 6'2 at 190 lbs. You're probably still working off your baby fat. Thanks though.

Well' date=' it's in. You're an immature child. When you grow up and learn how the government was created, and SUPPOSED to be run, I want you to go back to the ancient Greeks, Romans...**** even the Mesopotaimians and the Egyptians. You will be amazed with how wrong and STUPID you are.[/quote']

What does this even mean? Listen, you need to learn to pick your fights a little better kid. I mean, the fact that you're citing the freakin Mesopotamians here speaks volumes about how developed you are mentally, and frankly where you are in your text book :lol:

I basically prescribe to the Jeffersonian point of view of government here. It's perfectly valid, and a BIT more advanced than the Egyptians :lol:

Oh' date=' and I PROMISE you RKCoon could kick BWare's ass without breaking a sweat. ****, screw that, he could do it without getting up. The man is huge. He also has many years on him.[/quote']

I wouldn't be so sure of that.

 

Well thanks at least for adding some thoughtful points to the discussion. You're infinitely better at this than RKCoon... but still not good.

Also, I wasn't bade to be your "bitch," as you originally claimed, and no, you didn't "pwnzx0rz3d" me.

[Doctor Destiny 41]

Did he actually say Canada is freer than the United States? That's a load of bull****! Lolicon is legal in the US but not in Canada. We have +1 freedoms over Canada! Win. Not to mention, I'm sure it was remarked that the Netherlands was actually the most open, tolerant nation.

 

Seriously, this argument is getting old. RK and Anesthetic, grow up, kay? For the love of everything's that good and holy, just grow up!

 

In summation, this is a bull**** topic and is getting locked to keep flames to a minimum. And Anesthetic, I glare directly in your direction. Keep that out of this forum; I will not have it.