Communism Discussion

[Cygnus X-1 12]

In fact, Alpha, the US is the least likely to be nuking anyone anytime soon. Keeping in mind that the common phrase "nuking" refers to city busters, and not tactical nukes, such as bunker busters and nuclear artillery.

 

Those are what the US is most likely to use, especialyl against Iran. We have nothing against the Iranian people (in general) Its the fanatical Islamic dictatorship that runs the country that we have a problem with. So a city buster (what you and a gajillion others are soo afraid of) would solve very little and in fact make the situation worse, especially if Iran had them as well.

[BWare 0]

Don't even bother, Cygnus... anti-Americans like alpha believe that America's SOLE motivation is killing babies and committing other horrible attrocities. To him, we would really enjoy slaughtering millions for no apparent reason. This twisted view of reality allows him to think whatever he wants about us without any guilt. After all, we're just inhuman, imperialistic monsters!

[Guest Rabbit]

Oh please, are you that full of yourself?

[BWare 0]

Um... what exactly are you referring to? Are you in the right thread? :?

[Guest Rabbit]

I'm referring to what you said.

 

I think it's interesting how you can come to conclusions about people so easily.

[Alphabear 11]

Don't even bother, Cygnus... anti-Americans like alpha believe that America's SOLE motivation is killing babies and committing other horrible attrocities. To him, we would really enjoy slaughtering millions for no apparent reason. This twisted view of reality allows him to think whatever he wants about us without any guilt. After all, we're just inhuman, imperialistic monsters!

 

You base my views on the world on my position in one single issue. I never said anything along those lines and i take it as an insult to me that you claim I do. I supported the war on Iraq and Afghanistan, sure i may disagree with certain aspects of it but as a whole i supported and still do support both of them. Since being here my liking of america has dropped a little, but that is because you seem to think my position on one thing must be mirrored accross all aspects. Every discussion you seem to confuse my position on whatever the discussion is with the US as a whole. The world isnt Black and White, i can disagree with certain things but that doesnt mean i disagree with everything and think the US is evil. You yourself claim you dont agree with the current administration fully, so why do you believe i dont have the same right as you to make my own mind up on seperate issues.

 

Sure i dont like the US as much anymore. But thats because of one person on this forum who consistantly calls myself and my views idiotic. I am sick and tired of being talked down to as if i have a

twisted view of reality

[BWare 0]

You base my views on the world on my position in one single issue.

That is all I have to go on. From everything you've ever said here, you haven't yet strayed from the type of person I'm describing!

 

I never said anything along those lines and i take it as an insult to me that you claim I do. I supported the war on Iraq and Afghanistan, sure i may disagree with certain aspects of it but as a whole i supported and still do support both of them.

That is news to me. If that's the case, then I stand corrected. I apologize if I've responded incorrectly, but your response to my point about the new dynamics of nuclear war definitely seemed pretty darn anti-American, and that does seem to be the trend with your responses.

 

Since being here my liking of america has dropped a little, but that is because you seem to think my position on one thing must be mirrored accross all aspects.

Your opinion on an entire nation has been altered by what one idiot is saying on a forum? Oh please! You can't be that fragile.

 

Every discussion you seem to confuse my position on whatever the discussion is with the US as a whole.

That is true, but for a couple reasons. First of all, this is a very limited medium. If you don't explain all sides of your thinking, nobody knows exactly what you think. Secondly, you have yet to express a pro-American opinion. Hell, you basically accused the US of being eager to nuke other countries in this very thread. What do you expect anyone to think?

 

The world isnt Black and White, i can disagree with certain things but that doesnt mean i disagree with everything and think the US is evil. You yourself claim you dont agree with the current administration fully, so why do you believe i dont have the same right as you to make my own mind up on seperate issues.

No question. Again, I apologize for responding to you incorrectly. Bear in mind that you tend to come across as an anti-American person in many cases though.

[Alphabear 11]

Your opinion on an entire nation has been altered by what one idiot is saying on a forum? Oh please! You can't be that fragile.

Not its not my oppinion on the nation as a whole that is effected, its that of americans. Remember the only americans that i come in contact with are those that travel here, those i meet when traveling myself, and those on this forum. When you post something derogatory its written as if you represent the majority. You cant tell me that you dont have a general perception of australians, british or even french that have only been influenced by a limited number of things.

[BWare 0]

Sure I do, but I realize that it's a flawed perspective. I don't blunty state that my opinion of a large population has been altered by such a small sample.

 

When you post something derogatory its written as if you represent the majority.

No, it's read, by you, as if I represent the majority. I assure you that I don't.

[Alphabear 11]

i am fully aware that you dont, it is just the way you come accross. of course i dont apply this perception to people i know, it only effects my idea of the stereotype. Im not the kind that judges a book by its cover. You just change my perception of the cover

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Now if you can come up with an analogy as good as that, why cant you see the diff between tactical nuclear bunker busters being used to stop Iran from keeping loaded missiles in their silos to city buster nukes that are for the sole purpose of pissing people off and sayins "yeah, What Now, b!tches!"

 

Now, Bware admitted that he was wrong to base his opinion off of only what you (alpha) stated here, so I dont want to hear anyone (as in the rest of us) saying that BWare is one sides pro american mongrel who cant believe that he is ever wrong. He has backed down before when he was, and here he does again, in this case about his perception of a person. However I think we must all realise that while the forums are great for meeting people and discussing things (how many of you Brits or Americans know someone from NZ outside of a forum, eh?) they are a very limited medium. Which is why we should try to be a bit less condescending and bit more open minded. Not radically open minded, IE "well he said it, so it must be true from a certain point of view", but more of a "hmmm (steps into other persons shoes) well he's got a point, lets try to put the two together" or something along those lines.

 

Sure I know there will be disagreements, and arguments, and name calling, and all of that. But guess what, we're human, and we all have tempers to loose, Egos to feed and defend, and mistakes to make. So live with it.

[MagicYuri 0]

Cygnus: the mind of the common man is closed to such opinions simply because he dosen't understand that they (and defacto you) are crrect, thus read them and TRY to understand them. You are right, people should think that way but, despite what some say, most people don't change. What brings us to the conclusion: They won't listen to you, people never listen to the smart, thinking, men. Instead they call them stupid and crazy. History proves this, and so does man by his actions

[BWare 0]

Well said Cygnus.

[F15pilotX 4]

Your opinion on an entire nation has been altered by what one idiot is saying on a forum? Oh please! You can't be that fragile.

No, it's not my opinion on the nation as a whole that is affected, it's that of Americans. Remember, the only americans that I come in contact with are those that travel here, those I meet when traveling myself, and those on this forum. When you post something derogatory, its written as if you represent the majority. You can't tell me that you don't have a general perception of Australians, British, or even French that has been influenced by a limited number of things.

Episode VI: The Return of the Spelling Nazis

 

@BWare, if I met, for the first time, for example...a Liberal, and he was extremely argumentative and pugnacious, I would have a bad opinion of Liberals, until proved otherwise by another encounter...that's what he is saying (exept, of course, I do have a bad opinion of Liberals

 

btw, Alphabear, I refered you on Alexadex :wink:

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Cygnus: the mind of the common man is closed to such opinions simply because he dosen't understand that they (and defacto you) are crrect, thus read them and TRY to understand them. You are right, people should think that way but, despite what some say, most people don't change. What brings us to the conclusion: They won't listen to you, people never listen to the smart, thinking, men. Instead they call them stupid and crazy. History proves this, and so does man by his actions

 

That may be true in the general public, but it is my experience (pushing 2 years) that those who tend to stay on these forums (without getting banned repeatedly) tend to (for hte most part) have a pretty good idea of how to think.

[Alphabear 11]

btw, Alphabear, I refered you on Alexadex :wink:

 

lol thanks mate, i sort of gave up on that not long after starting it anyway. I just check back every now and then

[F15pilotX 4]

well, ya might want to fix the quotes

 

hehe, I own cncnz.com