Communism Discussion

[Cygnus X-1 12]

well but the USSR falls only because the Communism system?

 

that and the people hated their leaders, failing economy, corrupt leaders ect ect.

[F15pilotX 4]

really, how many times must we repeat ourselves :roll:

[CRAZY_PALADIN 0]

It was more than that... if you actually believe that we think the USSR fell solely because of Communism, you are more daft than we thought.

but u always say Communism fails, USSR is an example.

actully i mean sth else. the cold war .the arms race, between the USSR and the " great " United States.

USSR falls, because the corrupt government, not the Communism system.

 

you see the the Great French Revolution is not a plain sailing and so is the rising of Communism. it dosnt fail.

china adopts capitalism,yep, what can we do else?we are in the globe economy system we have to adopt this.

'All men are created equal' yes, but you can just not get the equal tools of production. social welfare.yes, but after the gov gains enough. new military project, who cares, money from the taxpayers.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Why does China adopt capitalism? Because Communism isnt enough to sustain them.

 

The USSR failed. So did every other Communist nation/government out there. China is adopting capitalism. N Korea is starving its people and cant even launch a missle 46 miles. The Citizens of Cuba are all running away to the 'great' United States....all because Communism is failing.

[BWare 0]

the " great " United States.

You put that in quotes? Consider this: The United States of America is the single most powerful country in history, both in terms of economic and military power. It has also broken a historical trend by not abusing its power and performing unheard of acts of charity on a massive scale. Does that qualify as legitimately "great" for you? Take out the damn quotes. :roll:

 

USSR falls, because the corrupt government, not the Communism system.

The USSR failed because of its communist principles, which were USED by corrupt government..... just like happens EVERY DAMN TIME (China included). Why do you not see this pattern? The two are very linked.

 

Take your head out of the sand and your mind-warping Chinese propaganda for heaven's sake.

 

you see the the Great French Revolution is not a plain sailing and so is the rising of Communism. it dosnt fail.

Was that a reference to the French Revolution? What exactly is your point there? You really don't seem to have made one. Could you rephrase? :?

 

china adopts capitalism,yep, what can we do else?we are in the globe economy system we have to adopt this.

It's called progress. Your evil, oppressive, prehistoric government has to yield eventually to it... or die out. The fact remains that capitalism is the ONLY option, and communism fails whenever it's tried. China is basically admitting the defeat of communism by contemporizing.

 

'All men are created equal' yes, but you can just not get the equal tools of production. social welfare.yes, but after the gov gains enough. new military project, who cares, money from the taxpayers.

I'm sorry, but I am COMPLETELY missing your point here.

[CRAZY_PALADIN 0]

o i hate qutos...

You put that in quotes? Consider this: The United States of America is the single most powerful country in history, both in terms of economic and military power. It has also broken a historical trend by not abusing its power and performing unheard of acts of charity on a massive scale. Does that qualify as legitimately "great" for you? Take out the damn quotes. Rolling Eyes

 

huh? the US IS strong yeah, but what can they do? ride roughshod over irak citizens? defy the UN? bring chaos to the world?

The USSR failed because of its communist principles, which were USED by corrupt government..... just like happens EVERY DAMN TIME (China included). Why do you not see this pattern? The two are very linked.

 

now now now tell me why the principle can destroy the whole empire? isn't that because the corrupt gov? anything more? the principle ? yeah how? people dont wanna equal tools of production?

Was that a reference to the French Revolution? What exactly is your point there? You really don't seem to have made one. Could you rephrase? Confused

so i should say more directly. remember there are still several rise of feudalism forces in the French Revolution. and now it's the combat between communism and capitalism. the communism is indeed struggling. but can't it prevail as your capitalism did several centuries ago?

It's called progress. Your evil, oppressive, prehistoric government has to yield eventually to it... or die out. The fact remains that capitalism is the ONLY option, and communism fails whenever it's tried. China is basically admitting the defeat of communism by contemporizing.

tell me, you see any sign that communism bends to capitalism? public ownership system is still the main economy system in China.it dosn't fall.

I'm sorry, but I am COMPLETELY missing your point here.

yeah it is the point. our gov is just corrupt and how about yours? the capitalism is JUST to exploit the laborers. your evil economy system!

[CRAZY_PALADIN 0]

o i forget this : the human nature.

yeah the human nature is just greedy."People who believe that they, by some unseen right, are granted power over others, and would push others down so they might climb, are the greatest threat to mankind's existence. For many years has one man or one race prospered on the sweat and work of others. "

and remember everyboy can edit the Wikipedia. it's banned in Germany. why ? people are tampering the histroy. not seeing is believing, the rather that you don't even see it.

[Nachmore 0]

where does your info come from? Wikipedia is not banned in Germany... the German section is actually quite thriving!

 

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauptseite

[BWare 0]

huh? the US IS strong yeah, but what can they do? ride roughshod over irak citizens? defy the UN? bring chaos to the world?

You, in an obnoxious and completely idiotic little jab, put American greatness in quotes. I felt compelled to correct you because you are 100% wrong.

Now you have it in your pin head that America is "riding roughshod" over "irak's" citizens. Frankly I have little respect for your views on the topic, because you can't spell the 5 letters of the country correctly, but I'll address it nonetheless. The IraQi people have been LIBERATED by the US, and we are beginning to pull out, leaving them to govern themselves by the will of the people. If that's "riding roughshod" to you, then you are hoplessly idiotic, and mother China has you right where they want you. :roll:

 

now now now tell me why the principle can destroy the whole empire?

The principle is everything. It is of course an abstract thing, but it leads to very real and very concrete actions. The fact that you don't see the importance of founding principles in a country is just bizarre......

 

isn't that because the corrupt gov? anything more? the principle ? yeah how? people dont wanna equal tools of production?

What the hell are you talking about? "Tools of production?" What on earth do you mean by this?

 

so i should say more directly.

You should say PERIOD. You are still not making any sense.

 

the communism is indeed struggling. but can't it prevail as your capitalism did several centuries ago?

"The communism" is struggling? "My capitalism" prevailed centuries ago? Wow, you REALLY don't know what you're talking about, do you? This is bizarre.

 

tell me, you see any sign that communism bends to capitalism? public ownership system is still the main economy system in China.it dosn't fall.

China is forced now to make itself viable in a global, CAPITALIST market. They've had to sell out their vaunted "public ownership" system :roll: and buy into the concept of PRIVATE ownership that drives capitalism. You can't see this, and it's RIGHT in front of your eyes.

 

...also, communism isn't "struggling." It's doing what it always does- it's slowly dying. A struggle implies a back and forth. Communism goes one direction- down fast.

 

yeah it is the point. our gov is just corrupt and how about yours? the capitalism is JUST to exploit the laborers. your evil economy system!

I hope this is a joke, because it's wrong to the point of being pathetic. You are every stereotype of a mindless communism apologist if you actually believe this.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

I dont think he/she/it speaks/types enough english to make any point. At least this is what Im hoping. Otherwise the Chinese are getting to more and more people....

 

Oh, funny, I dont ever see Capitalist governments imposing their will upon the people, the way Communists always have. I see freedom of religion and thought in a Democratic, Republic, and Capitalist society. What do we see in a Communistic society? Oppression of thought, beliefs, and those that remain different.

 

O yeah, sure, Communism is just thriving on those ideals, dont you think?

[Guest Rabbit]

Honestly crazy_whateveryourlastnameis... Why do you like communism?

 

Are you proud of the fact that even if you save lives, promote world peace, and earn a doctorate degree, your house, and your shirt still belongs to everyone else?

 

Why do you like communism? Why do you like faliure?

[Doctor Destiny 41]

Failure is often easier.

Besides, why the **** do any work when you know you don't have to?

[Alphabear 11]

Sorry i just feel compelled to pick up on the spelling nazi here.

 

Depending on the language or region you live in Iraq is actually spelt Irak. Its like how Korea is also correctly spelt Corea

[CRAZY_PALADIN 0]

i have to say i find some words on google language tool for these words are most political only.

Tools of production means what you use to labor. the computer you use in your company is not yours right? it's your boss's. it's called capitalism. and you see you boss may do nothing.

They've had to sell out their vaunted "public ownership" system Rolling Eyes and buy into the concept of PRIVATE ownership that drives capitalism.

can you see this?where did you see this? on your newspaper?'China threat theory '?

 

and you ever learn histroy? what is the western world like just decades ago? why your worker go on strikes on the street? why are your workers ask for more pay? why are your workers ask to work less in a day? isn't that capitalism?

and WW I & II. what are the capitalism countries fight for? peace? ohhhhhhh...

Oh, funny, I dont ever see Capitalist governments imposing their will upon the people, the way Communists always have. I see freedom of religion and thought in a Democratic, Republic, and Capitalist society. What do we see in a Communistic society? Oppression of thought, beliefs, and those that remain different.

what do you see? hell yeah what do you see? and where do you see? what is the situation decades ago then? there's only 80 years since the found of USSR. and when Voltaire did die?communism is still developing.what can communism do? what can a baby do? your own baby should always makes troubles for you huh?

 

The IraQi people have been LIBERATED by the US, and we are beginning to pull out, leaving them to govern themselves by the will of the people. If that's "riding roughshod" to you, then you are hoplessly idiotic, and mother China has you right where they want you. Rolling Eyes

F**K! this is the most stupid thing i've ever heard.liberated? maybe you did kill the government. then why Iraqi still attack your dear GIs? are they terrorists? oh no the Iraqi are all terrorists! now get a ticket to Iraq and see what happen there.

 

Are you proud of the fact that even if you save lives, promote world peace, and earn a doctorate degree, your house, and your shirt still belongs to everyone else?

 

Why do you like communism? Why do you like faliure?

and this. did i say that? i didn't say i like communism. it's no difference for me.and you dont quite understand what communism is. when the whole society get a high (perhaps MUCH higher than now) education level, the ture communism can achieve.that takes time and maybe centuries. read what Marx have written for the rest.you ever know this? what is the explain on your dictionary may i know? communism leads to failure? why ?

'hey dude what you use here in the factory are owned by the country, so the government is corrupt. you'll never suffer this in a capitalist country because the government is not corrupt, only the dude who owns the factory is corrupt.our country (China) is going to be doomed, while capitalist countries not ,only the capitalists will be doomed for they own the factory'

looool...

 

and the spelling problem. i may be wrong but not for this time.

[F15pilotX 4]

Tools of production means what you use to labor. the computer you use in your company is not yours right? it's your boss's. it's called capitalism. and you see you boss may do nothing.

The boss would buy computers for us to use with HIS business because we work for HIM. It will help his company work better (in other words' date=' more efficiently), but he is the ONLY one that owns it. We use it, but ONLY HE owns it. :wink:

They've had to sell out their vaunted "public ownership" system Rolling Eyes and buy into the concept of PRIVATE ownership that drives capitalism.

can you see this?where did you see this? on your newspaper?'China threat theory '?

here ya go (GOOGLE HELPS): "As state-owned enterprises become private' date=' workers increasingly face layoffs and poor working conditions"

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1021/p07s02-woap.html

 

and you ever learn histroy? what is the western world like just decades ago? why your worker go on strikes on the street? why are your workers ask for more pay? why are your workers ask to work less in a day? isn't that capitalism?

yes it is, BUT our workers don't get arrested for peacefully protesting, unlike the man in the article above.

and WW I & II. what are the capitalism countries fight for? peace? ohhhhhhh...

Uh' date=' yeah...peace, and SURVIVAL AGAINST GERMANY and Japan in World War II.

by the way, if the CAPITALIST countries hadn't helped China out in World War II, there would be NO China...just a huge Japan :wink:

Oh, funny, I dont ever see Capitalist governments imposing their will upon the people, the way Communists always have. I see freedom of religion and thought in a Democratic, Republic, and Capitalist society. What do we see in a Communistic society? Oppression of thought, beliefs, and those that remain different.

what do you see? hell yeah what do you see? and where do you see? what is the situation decades ago then? there's only 80 years since the found of USSR. and when Voltaire did die? Communism is still developing.what can communism do? what can a baby do? your own baby should always makes troubles for you huh?

oh' date=' please...Voltaire died over 200 years ago in 1778, two years after the Declaration of Independence. Ironic, ya know....which has thrived and which hasn't :lol: Even after only 80 years of being a nation, America was one of the biggest and wealthiest nations on earth, stretching fromt the Atlantic to the Pacific ocean. :wink: the only way the USSR was able to do that was by taking over the government of an ancient country coming out of the feudal age a few centuries late :roll:

 

The IraQi people have been LIBERATED by the US, and we are beginning to pull out, leaving them to govern themselves by the will of the people. If that's "riding roughshod" to you, then you are hoplessly idiotic, and mother China has you right where they want you. Rolling Eyes

F**K! this is the most stupid thing i've ever heard. liberated? maybe you did kill the government. then why Iraqi still attack your dear GIs? are they terrorists? oh no the Iraqi are all terrorists! now get a ticket to Iraq and see what happen there.

you moron' date=' we LIBERATED them from an oppressive dicator who attempted to commit genocide, and killed millions besides the Kurds. :wink: You wonder why we're getting bombed? Because we took over one of the TERRORISTS' HAVENS!

 

It is really that hard to understand? the terrorists don't like us, so they bomb us. Iraq was one of their supporters under Saddam, and you wonder why the terrorists hate us? :roll: Also, if you know about Shiites and Sunnis (and I'm assuming you do), you would know that the Shiites have a majority. The Sunnis don't like this, so they bomb US vehicles because the US is backing the government :wink:

 

Are you proud of the fact that even if you save lives, promote world peace, and earn a doctorate degree, your house, and your shirt still belongs to everyone else?

 

Why do you like communism? Why do you like faliure?

and this. did i say that? i didn't say i like communism. it's no difference for me.and you dont quite understand what communism is. when the whole society get a high (perhaps MUCH higher than now) education level' date=' the ture communism can achieve.that takes time and maybe centuries. communism leads to failure? why ? [/quote']You've been defending communism the whole time, so it seems obvious that you like it. If you don't, why would you defend it? By the way, the US (and I think I could say all already developed capitalist countries) has a MUCH higher literacy rate than China, and most people in the US have been to college, if not university :wink:

'hey dude what you use here in the factory are owned by the country' date=' so the government is corrupt. you'll never suffer this in a capitalist country because the government is not corrupt, only the dude who owns the factory is corrupt. [/quote']There are corrupt people in all countries, but the US has regulations so that people can't be abused/overworked in factories :roll:

our country (China) is going to be doomed' date=' while capitalist countries not ,only the capitalists will be doomed for they own the factory'

looool...[/quote']uh, factories help us prosper, why would they doom us? Have you seen how much industrialization helped Japan? :shock:

 

Now, anything else you need to be un-indoctrinated about?

[BWare 0]

and you ever learn histroy? what is the western world like just decades ago? why your worker go on strikes on the street? why are your workers ask for more pay? why are your workers ask to work less in a day? isn't that capitalism?

We're ABLE to go on strike and demand these things. That's the beauty of capitalism and freedom. It figures that a commie like you would actually see this as a bad thing. :roll:

 

and WW I & II. what are the capitalism countries fight for? peace? ohhhhhhh...

Yes...... for peace. The peace that Europe is experiencing now. If you're actually being sarcastic about that, then you are a moron.

Also, Nazi Germany wasn't exactly a capitalist country. :roll:

 

what do you see? hell yeah what do you see? and where do you see? what is the situation decades ago then? there's only 80 years since the found of USSR. and when Voltaire did die?communism is still developing.what can communism do? what can a baby do? your own baby should always makes troubles for you huh?

Man... okay, I understand that you have a hard time communicating in English, but this confusing bulk of words goes far beyond that. Communism has had PLENTY of opportunity to flourish.... but it HASN'T. Bottom line.

 

F**K! this is the most stupid thing i've ever heard.liberated? maybe you did kill the government.

Bottom line: The Butcher of Baghdad is now in jail and on trial by his own people. The rape rooms, torture rooms, and mass graves are now closed. Women are now free to go to school, and all citizens are able to lead free lives (a wonderful thing that you, an oppressed Chinese person, can't understand). The Iraqis HAVE BEEN LIBERATED. PERIOD. Any attempt to deny this will seal in my mind the fact that you are a brainwashed, unthinking zombie.

 

then why Iraqi still attack your dear GIs? are they terrorists? oh no the Iraqi are all terrorists! now get a ticket to Iraq and see what happen there.

Are you in Iraq right now? If not, then why are YOU telling ME to go there and see for myself? I have several friends serving over there, and have regular contact with them. Do you have anything besides your Chinese propaganda? Also, the terrorists over there are old Saddam sympathizers and terrorists from OTHER countires- not Iraqis.

 

and this. did i say that? i didn't say i like communism. it's no difference for me.

Well, it DID make quite a bit of difference for the tens of millions who were killed for the sake of communism and its subsequent failure.

 

and you dont quite understand what communism is. when the whole society get a high (perhaps MUCH higher than now) education level, the ture communism can achieve.that takes time and maybe centuries. read what Marx have written for the rest.you ever know this? what is the explain on your dictionary may i know? communism leads to failure? why ?

It does, because it HAS every time. Plus, there are some lethal errors in its theory. It will NEVER work. Period.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Its clearer to me now that it ever has been before...China may be adopting Capitalistic economic policies, but the basterds still brainwash their own people...then accuse US of ignoring historyandyesispelledbastardsright

[BWare 0]

Well, we DO kind of ignore history. You have to remember- "history" to them is rewritten by the state and usually the furthest thing from reality. I frankly take it as a complement when I'm accused by someone like this of "ignoring history." :lol:

[CRAZY_PALADIN 0]

about chinese propaganda (you play too much CCG and afriad of Chinese propaganda tower? i hope not)

you're right. the evil propaganda way the mainland of china have. bu not all media in china are like this. don't forget the media from Taiwan, Hong Kong.etc. have you heard of the phoenix tv? we can always get the right infos in such ways. brainwash? you cannot brainwash everyone.the chinese propaganda is not always evil. people still get what the real like.

 

about the works strike.

it is a way of showing your democracy? funny. that's a way of showing the corruption of capitalism. you must see movies by Charlie Chaplin.in 'Modern Times' you think the crazy worker is just funny? machines made those guys lose their jobs. and don't forget it's in US, a capitalism country. and in 'Monsieur Verdoux' do you think he was praising the capitalism? no, he's showing the corruption of capitalism.you may say it's widely criticized,but isn't that the real life people have during Great Depression?

 

 

about Iraqi War

come on you dude. is that a war for peace? well the US want to liberate Iraq? well your army may come to china, kill the corrupt communism government and liberate chinese peolpe, why not ? a carpet bombing at beijing may do. oh yep it's not deserved to do so. why? cos china don't have much oil the Iraq have. why they want to 'liberate' Iraq? save people in such third world country? come on, save the dying blacks and Indians in your own country.save the children who suffer from AIDS and lacking of food and water in Africa.liberated? wow why the soviet didn't blow up your Statue of Liberty?! and there's a organization called UN. isn't it their duty to bring the world peace? you want the Iraq liberated? simple. sit there and wait. the citizens in their countries know what they want. they will kill the gov if they don't like it. if they cannot the UN may have some actions. and there's nothing to do with the US.

 

about WW I & II

wow war for peace.you just want o expand your colony and a war finally give you a chance to do so.soyou want to reorder the world,submitting your will. want else do you want?

and you help china in the WW right? why you help china?oh come on save the people? what did you capitalism countries do before th war? dumping,limited the local trade.limit capitalism that is developing in China. didn't we try capitalism? yes we did! but what is the result?in fact no result come into being.then why do you help?hell yeah you must to. if the Japn conquer china you will lose biiig benefit that you have in china .

about communism

well communism is to fail. isn't that lack of logic? communism is in fact economy system.in china there may be no freedom of speech, no democracy. yes maybe. can't we mend this? we can be a moreopen country in the future. communism countries are not hells. so Hemingway can spend his rest of life in Cuba.

and why i'm defending communism...

well because i can't defend capitalism huh? :wink:

i'm not a Commie you see. but i don't like the way you talk --bespattering china.and i think capitalism is more evil.hav you ever study your pay? do you get equal pay for your work?(don't say you do, if so ,what can you boss get?in nowadays boss's job is mostly manage your workers. by this he cannot earn any thing.no one will pay your boss for managing your factory or company.and don't say because of his managing he can get what you have created. and he get far more than he deserved--by manage you.and that's called exploit. this may cause problem. and this is why people go on strikes.but at least this may cause only cause few problem because yoy receive enough, but not all you deserve to.

you will see what happen if contradictory intensified.

and hell you may read what i post before.all what i say is just ask you to stop this meaningless quarrelling especially in such gaming forum :wink:

[Saracen 16]

about WW I & II

wow war for peace.you just want o expand your colony and a war finally give you a chance to do so.soyou want to reorder the world,submitting your will. want else do you want?

and you help china in the WW right? why you help china?oh come on save the people? what did you capitalism countries do before th war? dumping,limited the local trade.limit capitalism that is developing in China. didn't we try capitalism? yes we did! but what is the result?in fact no result come into being.then why do you help?hell yeah you must to. if the Japn conquer china you will lose biiig benefit that you have in china .

 

I'm sorry but even I have to step in here and announce that your country is a pathetic waste. It was nothing to do with territory, it had nothing to do with making people to "submit to our will!

 

The world wars were purely started ("Both by britain I might add") to the prevention of invasion of certain countries. World War 1 started purely on the basis that Germany had a problem with France, so used their "hammer" invaision technique to invade france and encircle Paris in one quick sweep. But they went through Belgium, and since we had an agreement with Belgium that Britian would protect Belgium at all costs we sprung into action. Protecting France was never the issue we never cared about them.

 

World War 2 was more complicated. It was started by Britain to prevent Germany from taking over Europe, and creating a Fascist superstate. Germany wanted the world, they wanted to invade Russia and then China as well as the whole of Europe! And if they could of succeeded they would have gone on to take the USA as well. This had to be stopped so capitalism and freedom from propoganda could be restored, and the countrys returned to their rightful governments.

 

It was also based on the sheer hate for the Jews. 7 Million people died in this war. 6 million were Jews alone, the other 1 million consisted of Civilians and Military. Had Germany won, even your precious China would be speaking German and you'd be shouting hate against everyone in a totalitarian Regime where not only would you be killed for saying anything against the government. Your family would also be as well...

 

Don't even get me started on the Korean War. The Communist North Koreans invaded the south for political reasons, and the free world even joined in to push back the communist scum to save the South Koreans from being under the pathetic excuse for a government which you live under now.... But what did you do as the Chinese? You came over in the 1000's and drove everyone back. Why? I suppose you wouldn't know why. In your history you did it to save your so called scum of an ally North Korea because the south were the one's who started the war, the south were responsible for attempting to crush a communist state. Oh please!

 

i'm not a Commie you see. but i don't like the way you talk --bespattering china.and i think capitalism is more evil.hav you ever study your pay? do you get equal pay for your work?(don't say you do, if so ,what can you boss get?in nowadays boss's job is mostly manage your workers. by this he cannot earn any thing.no one will pay your boss for managing your factory or company.and don't say because of his managing he can get what you have created. and he get far more than he deserved--by manage you.and that's called exploit. this may cause problem. and this is why people go on strikes.but at least this may cause only cause few problem because yoy receive enough, but not all you deserve to.

you will see what happen if contradictory intensified.

 

Oh will you **** off! Capitalism uses a hairarchy system where by if you want to prosper in this world, you work hard for it and you chose your own path to climb the success. This means more money. If you are not happy, you do something about it. I'm a boss and I've been at the bottom of the ladder, I can tell you that earning more is great, you get paid for what you do.

 

The more importance a person has in capitalism, the more a person will benefit by being paid for it. You might get paid equally, but little do you know that the people who run your country are living a Capitalist lifestyle. They have loads of money, food, alcohol, women, and live in the lap of luxury. All while you struggle to live on the tiny amounts that every one of you gets. Face it, your government eats the meat, you get the scraps. This is the truth. That is exploitation and the damn worst case of it if you ask me.

 

Answer me this, would you like to work for more money? Would you like to have freedom to buy things that you can't buy on the small amount you are given... Hell, would you even like brothers and sisters? a family of 5 instead of being the only child in your family. It disgusts me that if a woman has more than one child she is forced to discard the baby in a bin or in the street. Its that humane? Is that freedom? No!

 

Your country would have a lot to benefit from turning back to capitalism. Free trade, more money, a better way of life from earning this money. You don't have to love your government cos you are told to.

 

No matter what anyone says, you will not listen. Because you've been brought up in a world with restrictions, limits, being told that you have to do things because it's law. The only laws we have here are for the health and safety of the free people. We can hate our governments, we can hate each other. But Strikes by workers come about from poor corporate management, not capitalism itself. so you are totally wrong there!

[Cygnus X-1 12]

More than 7 million died King. Far more. I believe that particullar number is a low estimate of the deaths in Nazi concentration camps. However....way to sock it to the Chinese.

 

@ Crazy Paladin - if you "arent" communist, why the ****inghell do you argue here in defense of it?! You say capitalism is more evil, yet you have NEVER experienced it IN YOUR ENTIRE LAME EXCUSE OF A LIFE!

 

Thats how disgusting Communism is. You have never experienced a free world. You live under oppression, under threat, and are ruled by fear. The US liberated Iraq yes, and I have a feeling that Iran is next on the list. Why not liberate China? Well, we (unlike a few certain Commie leaders) would rather NOT start WWIII. Because we are humane. Death is seen as a bad thing, especially when caused by humans. However your government seems to not care much about human life....so shut the F(*&% up. You DO NOT know what you are talking about. True, it may not be your fault, but I DO BLAME THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT.

[Alphabear 11]

they dont want a war with china because more americans would die. Where with Iraq the number of Americans compared with Iraqis remains low.

[TheBlackOut 7]

they dont want a war with china because more americans would die. Where with Iraq the number of Americans compared with Iraqis remains low.

 

That and the end of the world.

[F15pilotX 4]

or mabye just the end of china

[TheBlackOut 7]

or mabye just the end of china

 

Don't be arrogant. China would nuke us and we'd nuke them back if they knew they were going to lose.