US Sen. puts motion to Censure Bush

[General Leang 0]

Clinton vs Rice I believe. Should be Schwarzenegger and Ventura, those two are better than anyone else.

[BWare 0]

What's up with that? Is she actually going to try and run for president in the next election? That'd be interesting..

She HAS been positioning herself politically for the last couple years... but she's failing miserably

 

What we need is a good, solid candidate... an actual conservative. None of this Bush neo-con crap :roll:

I love him and all, but geez... how about a little fiscal responsibility and border security?? We need another Reagan.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

What we need is a Cyg...I mean uh...Reagan. 8) :wink:

 

Arnold cant run for pres, he's not a Natural Citizen (meaning born here)

 

Personally, I'm not a big fan of that law, but I do support it, for common sense's sake. Last thing we need is somebody's sleeper agents getting into our government. Not that they actualyl see a need to, we do a good enough job screwing things up as it is.

 

Just dont shoot anything at us, cause we'll shoot back first, invade, oust your government, replace it with one of ours, get in a scandal with the UN, out of another, hide a secret prison in Europe, then ask questions later :lol: :wink:

[Masked Shah 5]

I'm not so worried about Bush...

if he plans surveillence as well as he plans for disasters...

 

then why are we worried?

 

In any event, I'm glad there is a public eye on most of his dealings...

It keeps him from doing something stupid.

 

Bush isn't evil, he is slow and goofy

 

yes, like the Disney cartoon.

 

So I'm not worried about Bush's intentions.

LEAVE BUSH ALONE, he is already distracted by pretty lights...

He's gotta a job to do... like or not.

 

until next election

 

We really should be worried about more important things like, Civil War in Iraq, and that zany Saddam Trial (God that guy is nuts, and should have his own sitcom).

 

We need another Reagan.

 

Speaking for every Mexican, and African American... HELL NO...

 

This week every Mexican is taking to the streets in protest marches due to mishandling of "closing borders" and immigration.

 

WE do not need another president catering to the rich white man needs, at our expense.

 

I suppose if they were good ol'white Irish immigrants on St. Patrick's Bush would consider to allow them to stay.

 

Boycotts and social protests are all over the paper... read it.

DON'T DARE say sh*t about my people, or the border...

 

Many wag their tongues, but don't know anything... because they never been there.

Watch what you say...

 

I don't care about what party your in, you talking about good honest people who are trying to survive...

 

Not even a christain God would tolerate such a heartless attitude America has shown the Mexican people...

 

I do not mean to offend you, Bware, I just do not like to hear others talk about my people, my race... like they were vermin in this country.

 

You would have to understand that, at least I hope you do.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

While I cannot say I understand your people's plight (one has to expirience it for onself to say they truly have) I do have one question that has been burning me up for a long time.

 

Why not use the "normal" channels for imigration and American citizenship?

 

Appologies in advance if this offends in any way.

[BWare 0]

I'm going to ignore your idiotic jabs at Bush for a moment and touch on the meat of your last post...

Speaking for every Mexican, and African American... HELL NO... WE do not need another president catering to the rich white man needs, at our expense.

You are very misguided here. Ronald Reagan is the greatest president this country has ever had, and your racist remarks about his intentions are very upsetting to me. He was a good man, and your attempt to smear him with accusations of racism is just a horribly low thing to do.

 

This week every Mexican is taking to the streets in protest marches due to mishandling of "closing borders" and immigration.

Yes, and it scares the hell out of me. How DARE they march in our streets and demand the right to be here illegally? Living in America is NOT a RIGHT, and the shameless way these people group up and fly the Mexican flag defiantly in MY country is just beyond unacceptable. It's chaos, and a total disregard for the law.

 

I suppose if they were good ol'white Irish immigrants on St. Patrick's Bush would consider to allow them to stay.

Now I am VERY sick of this racist attitude. The Mexicans are NOT the only people who have experienced hardships, especially in light of American history. It's ironic that you bring up the Irish, because they experienced extreme racism and persecution early in American history. And no, we would NOT reward their law breaking with amnesty just because they're WHITE! How DARE you accuse my government of this kind of racism!

 

Boycotts and social protests are all over the paper... read it.

DON'T DARE say sh*t about my people, or the border...

What is this supposed to mean? Is this some kind of threat? You're saying far worse things about my president, and I'm not threatening you about it.

 

But okay. I won't say bad things about "your people" (as an American you shouldn't even see it this way, but whatever, be racist :roll:), but I can say whatever the hell I want about MY border and its defense.

 

I don't care about what party your in, you talking about good honest people who are trying to survive...

There are some, yes... but to assume they're ALL "good, honest people" is just stupidly naive. First of all, they're CRIMINALS for being here illegally. Period. Bad place to start as a people group. Now some do come over and work hard (though they do so illegally and immorally), but many do nothing but take advantage of what free goodies America has to offer... bought and payed for by us LEGAL citizens. This is what I'm concerned about. They are automatically granted health care, schooling, and in some cases even WELFARE just for being here. This is a MASSIVE drain on the US economy, and it grows as the border continues to hemorrhage.

 

Now don't get me wrong... I am VERY MUCH for immigration. The vast majority of Americans are themselves the product of immigration, and I myself am fourth generation Swedish, so don't accuse us of being anti-immigration! The problems is people scrambling over the borders, unrecorded and unaccounted for, and above all ILLEGALLY. We have closed borders and processes for naturalization for a reason! How can you actually honestly defend this rampant lawbreaking?

 

You would have to understand that, at least I hope you do.

To a certain, personal extent, yes I definitely do. If I lived in Mexico, I would do everything I could to get out and get to America, but I still can't defend the illegal crosssing! No amount of emotional thinking can excuse the cold, simple reality that we have a compromised border with millions crossing AGAINST OUR WILL and WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE and causing a massive security threat.

 

I do not mean to offend you, Bware, I just do not like to hear others talk about my people, my race... like they were vermin in this country.

Don't worry, I'm not in the least offended (except for your groundless accusations of racism, and some racism yourself), and I never did speak of "your people" (again, I have a real problem with this) like they were "vermin." But you have to look at it from my point of view... I'm from LA, where there is nearly a Mexican majority the problem is so bad, and I am now in Orlando, where the influx has just begun. What I see is my American culture being overrun and destroyed, and bombarded by the Spanish, Mexican culture. I see anger and resentment in many of the illegals, and massive gang activity (along with STRIKING crime statistics) along with several declared movements that want to actually "reclaim" the south west of the US for Mexico. I see street corners packed with day laborers, crime making parts of my city increasingly unsafe, epsecially for my mother and 2 sisters, and the rampant graffiti defacement marring my city. Surely you can see how alarming this is to me and to us Americans! This is not racism. This is simple desire to defend our borders, language and culture... the three most basic things that define a country! Why is defending our COUNTRY so offensive to you??

 

I love my country, and I want as many people to join the melting pot as possible... but I will NOT sit idly by while parts of the US become little Mexicos.

 

And about those marches..... the illegal crossing... then the marching in the streets en masse, waving the Mexican flag..... this is tantamount to an invasion people, and every American should be horrified by the images we've seen on the news or in person.

 

While I do personally sympathize with some of the crossers, I can in NO WAY support the flagrant abuse of our borders. It is wrong, period, and needs to be fixed with a wall a mile high, and a more streamlined naturalization process for those we've okayed.

 

 

 

 

Oh, and a side note.... you groundlessly and ignorantly accused Bush of racism. This is perfect proof that you don't really know what you're talking about here, because he's making waves among the conservatives by proposing what amounts to an amnesty bill for those who are already here illegally. For you to accuse him, a guy trying to make the illegals legal, a racist, is just pathetically stupid. He's probably your biggest ally in this! Now I'm sorry, but that was just a ridiculous thing to accuse.

 

EDIT: I must stress again that I am only responding with such passion because I love my country, and see the leaky borders as possibly the biggest threat to it. I have nothing against the Mexican people, and am in NO WAY a racist. This is about security, safety, and integrity of America- not about excluding a certain people group :roll:

[Mr_Lee_ 0]

Did anyone else hear an orchestra starting up half way through that post?

[Doctor Destiny 41]

Shah, I can sympathize with you but I'm like BWare, you offended me with this racism sh*t. I don't understand how you can defend people illegally crossing into this country, and starting sh*t up. Many hispanic people have a tendency to be violent... I watch AMW almost every week and almost each week I some some hispanic scum being profiled for cop killing. Not saying all of them are bad people but it just seems that many are causing problems.

 

Remember, we don't mind hispanic people being here, just sign the guestbook first!

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Did anyone else hear an orchestra starting up half way through that post?

 

I even saaw an AMERICAN flag waving behind that post.

 

Like I asked earlier, why not go through the normal channels and become legal citizens? Its not like you have be special or anything, the only people we dont allow in are known and wanted criminals from other nations and terrorists.

 

If you are neither, then what the F is the holdup (you is understood generic, not you specifically)

 

I believe this particullar topic came up in a thread a while back, and I made a comment about having an active border defense, (S.O.S.--Shoot on site) and Shah defended his people with a very strong will to see us and our views turned around about the active border patrol (he did a pretty good job too) HOWEVER-Laws arent meant to be broken, they are meant to be obeyed. If anyone wants to live here, illegally or legally, they WILL abide by the laws here. Which means those who want to live here illegally cant.

 

What I dont understand is all of the "protesting" Mexicans. Waving Mexican flags and such....if they had become citizens, they wouldnt have any need to protest. The fact that they came here by FREEWILL and are no protesting that decision....you got in, you can get out. And we arent even trying to stop people from leaving.

 

Again-You is understood generic. No one in specific is meant to be accused by this

[TheBlackOut 7]

Its sad Shah, that most of your "people" don't even know what the **** they are protesting for.

 

Here in Dallas, this kid was on the news.

 

News interviewer: Why are you skipping school today to protest?

Kid: Ahh, we hate Bush!

News guy: You know Bush applauds what you are doing, don't you?

Kid: Ahhh............... We hate Bush!

 

 

Its sick and it makes me not respect the Mexican community. (Just to say to, my school's GPA has dropped somewhat since more Mexicans have moved into the school district.)

 

Also... I say what some Comedian said we should do.

 

Immigrant official: Where are you from?

Illegal Immigrant: Mexico.

Immigrant official: Send him to Chile.

 

And this is true pretty much: http://losangelesweakness.ytmnd.com/

 

They are illegal and protesting? I say we get some police on the streets and ask for some ID or something...

[General Leang 0]

I wonder if Mexico would like to allow America's criminals and domestic terrorists into their country.

 

Exactly.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Well....now that you mention it....their "border security" is a tad lax...

 

but you see, heres where we differ. We are more human than to let our belligerents and criminals run to outher countries for "safety"

 

I like the idea with the Police and ID 8)

[RKCoon 0]

Who here would like to take the joy and duty to remind Bware that much of the southern us WAS in fact originally clamed, and indeed OWNED by the Mexicans (and behind them the Spaniards, if memory serves?) and was in fact siezed not by finances or peace, but, in the end, brute military force?

 

BTW... Immmm BAAACCCCCKKKK.......... at least fora bit. ill get into this in detail later whe i get everything caught up

[BWare 0]

Who here would like to take the joy and duty to remind Bware that much of the southern us WAS in fact originally clamed, and indeed OWNED by the Mexicans (and behind them the Spaniards, if memory serves?) and was in fact siezed not by finances or peace, but, in the end, brute military force?

What the hell is your point here RK? How is this at all relevant? You're treating it like some slam dunk point that will completely destroy the points I've already made...... but it really isn't. At all. It's hardly even a counterpoint :roll:

 

And yes, I did know that the US southwest has changed hands between the Spanish and us. Thanks for bringing up this random and useless bit of information though :roll:

[General Leang 0]

And whose hands was Afghanistan in? The Taliban. The same Taliban who opressed the people there, who flooded the world with drugs for profit and cause harm that the drugs would do, and I think they might have been responsible for some terrorist attack a few years ago. You will need to help me out there.

 

ZOMFGWTF GIVE AFGHANISTAN BACK TO THE TALIBAN LOLZ!1!!11ELEVEN!1

[Cygnus X-1 12]

See, now Leang can respond with sense and meaning, whereas....

 

anyway. The South Belonged to the native americans. Then the Spanish stole it. Then the Spanish and the locals picked a fight with hte US and lost horribly. Now it belongs to us, and if people want to live there, thats fine. If they want to live there illegally, then they can go back to h...Mexico. Its really not that hard to earn a citizenship. Thats why we have immigration offices, so those who want to live here, can.

[F15pilotX 4]

I can describe your point in three words: Invasion of privacy.

 

I definately agree with that.

If you're not doing anything illegal, then there's nothing to worry about, now is there :wink:

 

But I understand where your coming from, too Fen...it would not be good if the government became more controlling, and would be able to use that as an excuse for spying on someone :?

[rEdaSbLood 1]

If you're not doing anything illegal, then there's nothing to worry about, now is there

 

thats the point..its my freedom to break the law in privacy...lol

 

basically...for example...(bad move, here comes rebuttals and disagreement)..if i want to drink underrage or take illegal drugs, i can in privacy easily because it hurts noone but myself basically.....whatever that wasnt the best example but i think YALL know what i mean

 

PRIVACY ALL THE WAY....but i think we shud b able to invade in within some clarified idea of REASONABLE DOUBT...besides some laws should be ignored in order for that invasion to be less intrusive?....we as a society neeed more trust in each other

[Doctor Destiny 41]

*waits for BWare to mercilessly slam you into nothing*

Seriously, that was the worst statement you could have made. However, I can agree with your ideas. However, the problem with your example is that drugs and alcohol can lead to more nefarious doings so no, it doesn't affect you alone.

[rEdaSbLood 1]

i know...HENCE SAYING THAT IT WAS A BAD EXAMPLE "but you all know what i mean... :roll:

 

jus trying to make a point

 

thanx for the support FEN

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Who cares if they are spying on you. What are they gona do, black mail you because they know you bought 2 gallons of milk instead of 3? WOOOOO LOOKOUT, CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!1!!11!ELEVEN!!!11!

 

:roll:

 

again, if you have nothing to hide, you loose nothing if they spy on you. You wont even know whether you are being tapped or not. And it wont matter, because as a citizen of the United States of America, you aren't plotting to overthrow hte government.

 

See, heres the thing. This nation was ingeniously designed. Basically, if you dont like it, we aren't going to stop you from moving to Cananda, France, ect...

 

So those who conspire against hte government, ARE ALWAYS IN THE WRONG (unless we go commy on everybody and start mass killings and gassing our own people because our "leader" is of a different ethnic backround :roll: )

[rEdaSbLood 1]

if you have nothing to hide

 

its your own fact/business that you have something to hide..as an adult who should politely and honorably be given the benefit of the doubt..to live in a country without privacy is like

 

also, its kind of rude to poke around in other people's business...

 

1-- A-The quality or condition of being secluded from the presence or view of others.

B-The state of being free from unsanctioned intrusion: a person's right to privacy.

2--The state of being concealed; secrecy

[Cygnus X-1 12]

you do realise they arent going to spy on every last citizen, that would take too long. They watch people with any questionable histories (minro criminal ect) as well as imigrants for a period of time.

[RKCoon 0]

Now to get into this in detail --

 

 

Insofar as Mexico and my comment goes -- Mexico has hardly made it a secret they want that chunk of land back. with the pathetic condition the US border is in now, they are in facttaking it back, plain and simple. you wanna blame someone, blame the employersthat prefer to hire the cheap , uneducated, mass labor over the educated labor theyd actually have to treat decently, in short, givingthem not only reason to come -- but stay.

 

Now, insofar as the Patriot act, and similar motions by the government go -- Tell me something, where does "doing wrong" begin? by purchasing weapons and ammunition? by having plans for bombs? by having building plans ? lets expand this a bit. does it include, per se, examinging ones criminal record, solely based on race, or religious beleifs? or does it only take a complaint from someonethat doesnt like you? as it is, and where its going, once they set thier sights on you --- they are going to know EVERY single detail of your life. (im sorry, but isnt hte US home of the phrase, "Innocent Untill PROVEN Guilty"? How can that work when the assumation your guilty is already there? )

 

Now, lets take this even farther. lets go now to political beleifs, a REAL hot topic here itd seem. I mean sure, saying stupid things like, "Iihave a bomb on this plane", ok thats BEGGING for trouble, but saying you hate the current political leader, shouldthat be grounds for investgation by the fecking government? making cartoons of blowing up general bushel, should THAT, as well, be grounds for an inquisition? we already know how the muslims react to cartoons -- does the US wish to follow suit, in its own unique way? You people may be comfortable with that level of scrutiny -- but im a firm beleiver in a beleif of what my granfather taught my dad, a guy who survived 7 years in a nazi concentration camp to back up his beleifs --

 

"What the government does not know (about you) , will not hurt YOU."

 

This coming from a guy who watched, live, as the masses of ONE nation (a nation that, incidentally, was virtually smashed at the start, broke, starving, desperate) swore in a leader they innitially beleived in, and yes loved to death. he also watched what happened when this one man in power, with his solitary power behind him, ran unchecked by ANYone. It started fairly benevolent enough, that is true -- but soon, hatred seeped in. a threat to internal security was percieved, and concessions were made, in the name of security. rights were quickly weeded down, in the name of "safety" and "security". the religious and political aspects were played up as well, aiding to this. i think we all know how that ended.

 

Keep in mind, wahtever you might think of the CURRENT political setup -- there are ALWAYS going to be crooked, corrupt, and potentially downright insane leaders -- and there will eventually ALWAYS come a time where those that are in fact truely the good, or decent, or right side, will be veiwed as evil , as wrong, as criminals, by whomever is in power. do you REALLY wanna get caught with your pants down, and your hands empty, when that happens?

[rEdaSbLood 1]

regardles your remarks (without insult RK )....and there will always be rebellion...