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I am going with what my many years of catholic schooling and the local priest tells me and that is that Christianity and Islam are more similar not neccessarily in the way they practice their faith but in what they believe.

 

 

This is demonstratably untrue. They are different systems of beliefs because they're situated around completely different beliefs! I can go into this further a bit later....

 

They all believe different things but many of what they believe in are similar to things that other religions believe. Take jesus for example. Of the main religions Christianity, Islam, Hindu and some branch of Judaism (cant remember their name) all believe in Jesus. Yes they all have big differences but remember religions were passed down many years before things were written down. Could it not be that they are worshiping similar things just with different names etc. (sorry very general sentance but couldnt think of a better way to word it)

[rEdaSbLood 1]

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good good

 

 

After a while of reading in this topic, i have come to a realization that we are all making claims about religions,politics, each other, etc. Also, it seems we keep trying to correct each others ideas and claims. Some say that they are trying to "convince" others. This holds truth, but not enough, not wholely. The best thing to do to keep this topic alive and in righteous, intelligent, educational terms would be to stop judging each other. Maybe we should start our replys with "not in my eyes," or even "i doubt that." And for those of us that don't want to always remain hippies and pacifists, lets get rebellious and all that but remain receptive to each other's ideas, no matter how STUPID or UNORTHODOX they sound.

 

 

:strain: :strain: OO man where am i? what happened? i felt like i was in another persons mind....wtf

 

 

 

 

[Cygnus X-1 12]

ah, the voice of reason without the scepter of a moderator or an admin.

 

I think the majority of religions believe is similar moralities and whatnot, but go about representing them differently. For Christians, Jesus is the man. For Muslims, it was Muhomed. For Hindus, another (cant remember at the moment) for Jews, they havent had their "modern" man yet. But in essence, they are all very similar. The ten commandments apply to most, if not all. In fact they are "the scritpure" of Judais, Islam, and Christianity. Hindus, Budhists, and others dont follow "the" ten commandments, but their basic laws are basically the same.

 

There is a universal guidline that is used by religions of the world. Now, im not saying they are all the same, but wear different colored turbans. There are key differences, such as Jesus being the son of God versus him not being hte son of God ect.

[rEdaSbLood 1]

ah, the voice of reason without the scepter of a moderator or an admin

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wizard of OZ style baby:flamer:

[BWare 0]

I think the majority of religions believe is similar moralities and whatnot, but go about representing them differently. For Christians, Jesus is the man. For Muslims, it was Muhomed. For Hindus, another (cant remember at the moment) for Jews, they havent had their "modern" man yet. But in essence, they are all very similar.

Similar, sure... the natural moral law is, after all, written on the hearts of all men. But it's the differences that mean EVERYTHING.

 

The ten commandments apply to most, if not all. In fact they are "the scritpure" of Judais, Islam, and Christianity. Hindus, Budhists, and others dont follow "the" ten commandments, but their basic laws are basically the same.

Again, this is reflective of the natural moral law (and further proof OF a universal morality :wink:), but tell me how this makes every religion right? Each and every religion is, by its very nature, mutually exclusive.

 

While the thought of us all gathering around the campfire and singing Kum Ba Ya is appealing, it's frankly a pretty misguided and immature notion. It would require every religion to abandon the principles it holds most dear. Speaking as a Christian, I believe that Jesus Christ is God incarnate, and that he came to earth to die as a vicarious sacrifice for the sins of men, and to render the old Hebrew Levitical laws (the Old Covenant) moot by giving us the perfect sacrifice. Therefore, Jesus Christ, through his atoning sacrifice, is the ONLY way to heaven. In true Christianity, this is THE ONLY thing that really matters. In order for me personally to accept every other religion, I'd have to deny this, and therefore render Christianity completely and utterly meaningless.

 

So yeah, religions are all basically similar, but the differences are crucial.

It's like the genetic similarities between us and the apes. Molecularly, the similarities are in the upper 90% range, but surely you can see that those few percentage points of difference are pretty damn important.

[J-Fire_Man 0]

Wow, I just see the forum for awhile and I see there is a new flame war here

It's already a law of nature for a member of a nation to defend his/her country and nation, without thinking if it's country doing the good or the bad. It's just like a son protecting his mother.

 

The Iranian will protect their country no matter what, and so do the Americans. A Muslim will protect their religion if his/her religion is being disgraced, and it applies to other religion worshipper too.

 

A short message from me about Islam, there is no teaching in Islam that allows people to kill someone except in war condition and when someone is commiting a serious crime.

 

The debate between RKCoon and BWare is just like the dumped people in the flaming forum back then and the General Discusion forum is turning into a flaming forum slowly but steady Thierry will like this. Yay, happy debating and bashing each other

[F15pilotX 4]

Well if Iran wants to nuke our assets, say in...Iraq....they'll get a big suprise

 

x20 what they have if we're nice

[BWare 0]

Welcome back JFire! Long time no see man.

[F15pilotX 4]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

 

Ok thats hilarious. he gets soooo wound up at me hes gotta take the weakest way to make jabs at someone -- thier grammar. sheesh. :lol: Not only that, but he takes my points ant twists them to make it look like he came up with them first. :lol: Then attempts to pretend not to be up in arms - yet is very quick to come off with his droll? :lol:

Uh, wtf??? BWare made a valid point, explained his point of view on toleration...he didn't explode at you at all :wink:

And as to the grammer, one good sign of an intelligent, thoughtful person is GOOD GRAMMER.....it's not a jab, he's correcting you because you need correction

 

Guess you dont like it much when someone else defends what THEY think with equal or greater zeal to you, eh bware?

I'm not debating the zeal part, but BWare (and I'm sure most of us) enjoy debating valid arguments :wink:

 

Oh, before i forget -- i did in fact cover some of the points, in that lil comparison between the muslim and christian faiths, just what my points were, but as it stands, why should i bother? if you havent the reading skills to see my point (which, i mean cmon, doesnt take THAT much) then why reword it all again for the umpteenth time? youve already made it clear you refuse to even accept others beleifs as anything close to valid, so its essentially academic now.

omfg :lol: you're definitely not the one to talk about reading skills :rofl: you crack me up

 

Also, if their beliefs have some sense in them, yes, I will accept them as valid, however, if they are a bunch of bull****, then yes, I will show how they are flawed :wink:

 

Oh, ever pause to consider i was keepin it simple just to keep the simple people -- namely you -- able to understand? but since you cant grasp it in SIMPLE form, going complex over it would be prettymuch futile.

can you see the hypocrisy in that? :?:

 

Lastly -- History proves that, when in regards to christianity or any of the right wing faiths, it IS impossible to convince those of the extreme (as youve done well in showing your desire to be a part of). better to merely spread the word, and allow those who wish to examine do so on thier own. :lol:

we aren't evangelizing, we are putting forth our points of view...as Leang and BWare have said, religion and politics are not tied together....in fact (I'm sure this shocks you), I know some Protestants who register under the Democratic (left wing) party :shock: :roll:

 

As a side note, i can easily say, to those who wish to be something the realist -- prove that god exists. last i checked, people have been trying for millenia -- and absolutely ALL efforts to such have been to no avail - and everytime that happens, the right wingers arwe quick to come off with really cheapass lame excuses for that, in the thinly vieled attempts to protect thier own faith.

O please, don't get started on evolution vs. intelligent design :roll: you can't prove that God doesn't exist, either, now can you? :wink:

 

I know that'll piss you off, RKCoon, but I had to set you straight

[rEdaSbLood 1]

you should all be like me and realize that God can not be proved to be real or not, yet...

 

stop argueing about that crap....go back to the ethics n all that 8)

[BWare 0]

Thanks for the defense there F15, but I think RK's already run out with his tail between his legs. His childish jabs lost their effect, and he was basically out of ammo. Now challenged with some actual substance, he's mysteriously vanished! Funny thing that...

[General Leang 0]

Good. I happen to believe that one's religion is made up of parts of others anyway. Why do I say that? Well obviously parts of the Jewish faith stem from the Bible. They have to, as Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt. And Muslim faith can be seen as very Old Testement, in so far as how they believe the slightest indiscresion is punishable by death as it is written in the Bible. But there are others as well. The burnt offerings for example. The Chinease believe in the practice of burning paper effergies of objects for their ancestors in the afterlife. You burn a paper doll, for example, and your deceased mother or child will recieve that doll. It was something interesting I noticed. I also wonder what other parts from the Bible are in other religions, and indeed what other religions practice that is along the lines of Christianity.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

At the Easter vigil Catholics burn Lenten intentions as a tradition. The old and faithful believed that they would get up to God via smoke and whatnot. Very similar to what the Chinese believe. (d?)

[Doctor Destiny 41]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't Christianity as we know it come about long after most other religions? I mean, with all the similarities, it seems like Christians took the pieces that they liked from each religion and merged it all into one. That's another perspective I would gather... probably off but hey, no one's perfect.

[General Leang 0]

If you read, well, Genesis 1:1, it says how God had created the Heavens and the Earth. That does not mean that Christianity was there at the start, but it covers what happened at the start, unlike, say, Islam which follows the Prophet Mohammed.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Then again, Genesis is not litteral fact. As taught by the Vatican

[General Leang 0]

You mean how it did not litrially take six days for God to perform His work? The short answer many might say to that is "He is God" and so of course he would be able to, but I think when it refers to a day, it refers to however long it actually took.

[BWare 0]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't Christianity as we know it come about long after most other religions? I mean, with all the similarities, it seems like Christians took the pieces that they liked from each religion and merged it all into one. That's another perspective I would gather... probably off but hey, no one's perfect.

Well sure, this is very likely the case with some of the religious aspects of Chrsitianity... but the religion is NOT the focus. All of Christianity can be summed up in the person of Jesus Christ. The rest is just fluff.

[F15pilotX 4]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't Christianity as we know it come about long after most other religions? I mean, with all the similarities, it seems like Christians took the pieces that they liked from each religion and merged it all into one. That's another perspective I would gather... probably off but hey, no one's perfect.

Actually, Judaism came first, then Christianity was founded around 0 AD... (Anno Domini, In the Year of Our Lord) Islam was found 700-800 A.D., if I remember...correct me if I'm wrong on Islam's date, but it's something around that :wink:

[rEdaSbLood 1]

as i see it man, seriously i dont care about the facts and what is or is not plausible or whatever, but do care about the ethics of every and all religions. i think the main point, aim, and object of religion is to establish a general basis of peaceful but discussable value system in which men can live in benign competition.

 

8) there is a god by the way...cuz there is a cnc3 coming out...it adds up............... :lol: :lol:

[BWare 0]

8) there is a god by the way...cuz there is a cnc3 coming out...it adds up............... :lol: :lol:

Hahaha, yes. If you needed indisputable proof, there it is. He works in mysterious ways

[F15pilotX 4]

:lol: That he does

[rEdaSbLood 1]

...praise the lord CNC3 is here

[F15pilotX 4]

Well, mabye the same thing will happen, and RK will see the truth

[Cygnus X-1 12]

...praise the lord CNC3 is here

 

and along with it, the Tiberium Plague renewed in all its glory for all to see, and inevitably succumb to...

 

yes, he deffinetly works in mysterious ways :wink: :wink: