For all you anti-war, anti-Bush nuts...

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Here's a little guessing game for ya.

 

Tell me who said the following quotes... the answers may surprise you!

 

A) "Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."

 

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow."

 

C) "Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed."

 

D) "(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983"

 

E) "Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement."

 

F) "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability."

 

G) "There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we."

 

H) "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security."

 

I) "I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out."

 

J) "Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal."

 

K) "The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction."

 

L) "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."

 

M) "There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed."

 

N) "I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."

 

O) "The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation."

 

P) "Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States."

 

Q) "As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

 

Give up? Here's a hint: None are from George W. Bush.

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Of course, if the democrats who said those were in office, and they did the exact same thing as Bush, it would be all perfectly moral and whatnot. But because Bush followed up on previous presidents intel and warning signs, and saved us all from unspeakable tradgedies (no need to repeat Rawanda) he is now slated as a traitor and a murder by those who oppose him. Instead of runnign the country, the incapable senate and congress deliberate on party politics and forget that they have a super power to run. We cannot fight amonst ourselves if we are to stand firm against Iran, Terrorists, UN in activity, and possibly a renewed communist threat.

 

"A house divided against itself cannot stand" - Jesus Christ

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The thing that i dont get is that if he had weapons of mass destruction, what better time to use them than with war to america.

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Perhaps he still had 'em in developement...

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The thing that i dont get is that if he had weapons of mass destruction, what better time to use them than with war to america.

That was a definitely a huge concern during the invasion. Fortunately for us, Saddam wasn't stupid enough to actually do it. That would have sealed the fate of him and his country. It's much better for him to now be alive and in custody, and the weapons he had developed/had in development nowhere to be found. He's a smart man, and we have to see this as the shell game that it is. The weapons could really be anywhere by now.

 

 

 

 

...oh, and here's the answer key!

 

A) Al Gore

Bill Clinton

C) Madeline Albright

D) Sandy Berger

E) Barbara Boxer

F) Robert Byrd

G) Wesley Clark

H) Hillary Clinton

I) William Cohen

J) John Edwards

K) John Edwards

L) Ted Kennedy

M) Ted Kennedy

N) John Kerry

O) John Kerry

P) Joe Lieberman

Q) Nancy Pelosi

 

...and now all these freaks (Democrats all) have completely changed their tune, claiming that Bush lied about the WMD, and that he took us to war unjustly. If that's the case, then these scumbags are just as guilty.

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Bware why are you not Iraq, fighting the good fight?

Florida isn't anywhere close to Bagdad.

 

You probably have a good reason, maybe you are going there later... perhaps.

 

...and now all these freaks (Democrats all) have completely changed their tune, claiming that Bush lied about the WMD, and that he took us to war unjustly. If that's the case, then these scumbags are just as guilty.

 

Yep, they did change their tune...

they are political figures...

 

Republicans and Democrats do it as well...

 

Example: Rush Limbaugh attacks welfare, but when he was in his 20s HE WAS ON WELFARE. Rush also never voted til he was pressured to do so when he was 30. :!:

 

The point is every with a political career or viewpoint, is a rotten beast.

 

Look at all sides.

 

Like I said "Conservatives and Liberals are the same clowns"

 

 

EDIT:

 

Bware, instead of defending political figure or political parties

Why not excerise what you think would make America better?

 

You may want to try your hand at politics, instead of following others.

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Oh boy, here we go. :lol:

 

 

Just want to say something though, those Democrats changed their minds on stuff when the other party won and did those things. Well Democrats supported something(Forgot what) and they were actually backuped by President Bush and the Republican party... A week later the Democrats waffled and turned on the idea. :roll:

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Bware why are you not Iraq, fighting the good fight?

Florida isn't anywhere close to Bagdad.

Shah, just because I'm not over there doesn't mean I can't support it :roll:

Would you expect everyone who supports a war to HAVE to be on the ground in order to be a legitimate supporter? I hate hearing this crap from people like you and people I talk to in real life. It's really very obnoxious.

And I'm HERE because I'm working my way into med school. That takes time.

 

Yep, they did change their tune...

they are political figures...

No, they are DEMOCRATIC political figures. Important difference there....

 

Republicans and Democrats do it as well...

As well? I cited Democrats. Also, try to dig up ANYTHING as drastic as what I cited earlier about the Republicans. Don't misunderstand me- I'm no fan of the Republican party, but they are DEFINITELY the lesser evil. No question.

 

Example: Rush Limbaugh attacks welfare, but when he was in his 20s HE WAS ON WELFARE. Rush also never voted til he was pressured to do so when he was 30. :!:

So that proves... what? Also, you jumped from political leaders to a random political PUNDIT. Keep focus or you'll sound like you're rambling...

Rush Limbaugh is probably the most brillian political commentator in history. The man is ALWAYS RIGHT. Try to argue against him, and you'll be reduced to pointless personal attacks and fat jokes, just like every other lib out there :roll:

On an intellectual playing field, you lose.

 

Like I said "Conservatives and Liberals are the same clowns"

Now you're jumping from parties to ideologies. Good lord dude... pic a point and stick with it!

 

But to shut down this blatantly false point of yours, Conservatives DON'T change with the political winds. Neither do true liberals, frankly (they're consistently wrong :wink: ). There is a clear distinction between Republicans and Conservatives and Democrats and Liberals.... a distinction that you apparently don't see :?

 

Bware, instead of defending political figure or political parties

Why not excerise what you think would make America better?

When.... on earth did I defend a party? Wow.

 

You may want to try your hand at politics, instead of following others.

And now the immature jab. Okay, fine. You're the enlightened, free thinking individual, and I'm the drone, slave of the Republican party, right? How very mature of you.

For the record (HOW MANY TIMES DO I NEED TO SAY THIS??), I do NOT always line up with the Republican party, which has really been pissing me off lately. I'm pretty fed up with the Bush administration as well (though they DO have my support). I am a true Conservative, and am NOT just following someone. That implication is extremely insulting, and you won't ever see me accusing you of it. Please at the very least show me that same respect :roll:

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Im not a fan of the republicans or democrats, but I do agree with BWare that the republicans are the lesser evil.

 

Heres the first major change I would implement were it in my power to do so.

 

Presidency changed from 2 possible 4 year terms to one 6 year term. No relection worries means more time to run the country, and engouh time to do it.

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Republicans and Democrats = same, stupid evil. Neither will do what's right for the country, just their pocketbook. Anyone denying this is either blind, ignorant or just plain stupid. Also, anyone who thinks Rush Limbaugh is a brilliant political analyst is delusional.

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Republicans and Democrats = same, stupid evil. Neither will do what's right for the country, just their pocketbook. Anyone denying this is either blind, ignorant or just plain stupid.

Bingo.

Also, anyone who thinks Rush Limbaugh is a brilliant political analyst is delusional.

Yeah... why don't you go ahead and try to back that up. Do you even KNOW what you're talking about here? I doubt it. I'll bet you've never even heard him. I'll bet you're basing every bit of that false judgement on the stereotypes and attacks you see in the media...

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Just to do a political joke here in Texas and its true.

 

We are a Republican state, I mean look on how we vote. Okay, so we have this big Republican radio show(This guy puts down the things wrong about the party, don't think he thinks the party is perfect) and this Democratic radio station tried to move in the airways with billboards and crap advertising them. The station died off in a month because not a lot of advertisers and not a lot of listeners.

 

Oh I love the Republican guy on the radio, "You know that Democratic show stopped don't you all? If you think I lost any listeners I actually gained some."

 

 

I agree with teh Republican party a hell of a lot more than the Democrats. I swear, the Democrats thing Z is the first letter of the alphabet because the Republicans say A is.

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so true, so true....

 

(Oh no, here comes RK...another huge argument )

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The station died off in a month because not a lot of advertisers and not a lot of listeners.

It was an Air America station, correct? :lol:

Man, what a disaster story that is! The fools thought that Liberal talk radio could actually work, that they could actually survive on an intellectual playing field with the Conservatives. The fact is that the left has nothing in the way of a structured set of thought or even a core set of values. All they have is opposition, pessimism, and personal attacks. Air America has crashed and BURNED. They even tried to screw their workers out of a lot of money, Enron style! Oh what a disaster that was :lol:

 

Rush owns the airwaves folks :wink:

He's followed by Hannity and the up and coming Glenn Beck... who is one of the funniest people alive. Seriously. He has a show on CNN that is going to debut in a couple weeks!

 

I swear, the Democrats thing Z is the first letter of the alphabet because the Republicans say A is.

It's true. They have become a simple opposition party... but to their advantage, they aren't tied down by any morals or principles. They can drift wherever the political winds blow! :lol:

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we are screwed. republicans arent doing a good job and the democrats are even worse

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Yeah... why don't you go ahead and try to back that up. Do you even KNOW what you're talking about here? I doubt it. I'll bet you've never even heard him. I'll bet you're basing every bit of that false judgement on the stereotypes and attacks you see in the media...

No, I have listened to the guy before. Just been a long time since I have but that's beside the point. You're misinterpreting me since I'm being literal here. I'm saying he's not this brilliant man you make him out to be... oh, and you'll hate me for reading Al Franken's book "Rush Limbaugh Is A Big Fat Idiot And Other Observations", won't you?

 

It's true. They have become a simple opposition party... but to their advantage, they aren't tied down by any morals or principles. They can drift wherever the political winds blow!

Blow it out your ass. I know you meant it as a joke but I find that grotesquely offensive. It's as if you believe that people with differing morals and principles are somehow inferior. BWare, this time I mean it, you disgust me.

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No, I have listened to the guy before. Just been a long time since I have but that's beside the point.

Then what credibility do you have? Really, why should I listen to what you have to think if you really don't know what the hell you're talking about?

 

You're misinterpreting me since I'm being literal here. I'm saying he's not this brilliant man you make him out to be.

Again dude, just TRY to back that up. (This is where you say something to add SOME credibility to your claim, k?)

 

.. oh, and you'll hate me for reading Al Franken's book "Rush Limbaugh Is A Big Fat Idiot And Other Observations", won't you?

No, because I've read it. Now if you actually agree with the crap that intellectually dishonest, talentless hack spouts, thent that's another story :roll:

 

It's as if you believe that people with differing morals and principles are somehow inferior.

Hey moron- LIBERALS are people with different morals and principles. The DEMOCRATS are a POLITICAL PARTY. Got it? :roll:

 

Pretty key distinction there. I find it sad that you take such personal offense to my attack on a political party.

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I hate to be the one to do this. No offence intended to anyone with any kind of disabilities. But its got to be done.

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And gammyleg wins the argument! :lol:

 

Well said dude :wink:

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no no no no bush may be a complete idiot but that's just plain cruel to our idiot of a leader

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yeah.... "just plane creul"

 

But I don't know... I think he'd PROBABLY be able to spell "plain" and "cruel." I mean, I wouldn't put it past him. :wink:

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Rush... Hmmm.. Yea.... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6042801692.html

 

Biznitches.

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Yeah, he pled not guilty, and won't face much in the way of punishment. Man that sucks though. Those pain killers are crazy.

 

Also, for the Rush haters out there (or the "ill informed," if you will :wink:), he has had severe back pain that is likely related to his major inner ear problems. He's mostly deaf now, and relies heavily on hearing aids. The man was not buying crack cocaine off street corners- he got addicted to his heavy duty prescribed pain killers.

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"Rush owns the airwaves" - BWare

 

ah, if only it were true, then rap and hip hop would truly die out..... :wink: :wink:

 

back to political talk....

 

you know what I absolutley hate about all things politics, and I believe Fenring touched on this

 

Its all about degrading the other side so you can win.

Thats akin to tripping a soccer player on your team just so you look better because you didnt trip. But you know what happens in the end? Your team still looses because one of their players was unable to make the shot because you tripped him up.

 

It may not have happened yet, but one day (in the near future,I'll warrant) the United States will find itself in a similar situation on the political battlefield. And it will be the God-damn party rivalries that will screw us over.

 

We may be strong militarily. We may be strong economically (dont argue with this point, just listen). We may be strong morally (a few dissidents in the army doesnt make the entire country weak. Look at a few of the middle eastern and african nations) but our leaders just plain out suk. Even the military leaders cant do anything without the approval of the president, who needs the approval of the senate. Sound like Star Wars anyone? The last thing we need is a dictatorship pushed upon us because of a war that started as a failure to listen. Im not talking about the "war" in Iraq and Afgahnistan. I believe Iran is next on the hitlist, and as of right now, its gona be extremely ugly down there.

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I say blast the hell out of Iran and crush any terrorist SOBs who stand in our ****ing way.

 

If I was a military leader, I say full on invasion!