Life after Death

[J-Fire_Man 0]

Well, I've been wondering about this for a long time. How does the next life looks like? This is the biggest question of mankind which is unclear until now because no one who ever brought back to life after died.

 

Will we be reincarnated, or will we become ghost, or will we only sleeping in a small square dark room, or will we evolve into a greater state of existence, or will we be like most holy books tells that we will be judged by our act when we are still alive to go to Hell or Heaven?

 

Which one do you prefer the most?

 

Me......I think that we will be judged wether to go Hell or Heaven. If this is true, I hope I don't have much sins.

[Sonic 296]

This may well sound cold and heartless but this how I see it.....

 

Your born.... You get older..... You live your life..... You die.... and thats it.

 

I don't think there is anymore to it.

[J-Fire_Man 0]

Well, that sounds so simple. So, you believe that when we die, all things gone, only darkness left. Hmmm........geez this is so complicated.

[BWare 0]

It is quite a mystery. I don't buy into that nihilistic view, sonic. If we are here alone, born out of nothingness and die into nothingness, why do we have a soul? Why do we have such powerful emotions, personalities, etc, if we're just biological machines? It just doesn't add up. Why would matter arrange itself to contemplate itself?

 

I find the answer to all of this in the good ol' Bible... We were created by God (how else would we get here.....), and we were meant to have a personal relationship with him. We screwed it up with the free will he gave us (He didn't want robots.. he wanted personal, free-willed people), and we ended up with a rift between us, and now earth is seperated from God's will. God loved us, though, and gave us a second chance by sending his son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. We now have the option to accept the sacrifice of Jesus Christ... free of charge... and enter heaven when we die to be with God for eternity. It's all about faith. That's it. It won't be based on our works here on earth... whether we've been good or bad. The best of us could not live without sin, and one sin is all it takes to be too impure for heaven. The sacrifice of Jesus is the only possible option we have. We will be held accountable for what we do in this life, but that isn't what it's all about.

[General immeyourenot 0]

Consciousness is a puzzle which intrugues scientists still, billions of small orgainsms which work together as one, as all animals as one is one matter which can be explaned, but the single consciousness of those organisms is different.

 

There is no scientific proof how a consciousness is formed, what it is or how it works. One theory is of the universal consciousness, we all have a consciousness that cannot be destroyed, leeching onto organisms symbiotically, serving each other but for what purpose we do not understand.

 

It is much more extensive than that but Im in a rush so excuse me if i don't go into more detail. Anyway, the full version of it makes a lot of sense if you think about it. We are not what we think we are, we are a consciousness in control of an organism, the organism benefits from a control source & the consciousness benefits somehow.

 

So when we die, it is not us that dies, it is our organism friends, & we carry on in different lives, same personality but with no brain to store memory, this way we never really die. Its all quite interesting, you should check it out, in a world where there is no room for god.

[BWare 0]

no room for God, eh? That sounds awfully arrogant. What created this "consciousness" then? Where did it come from? What stores our personality? Are you talking about a soul? This sounds like an overly complicated and skewed version of my "theory" (see my previous post for the truth :wink:)

[chickendippers 1]

I agree with Sonic.

 

The whole idea of an afterlife was created by people who couldn't grasp or handle the idea of the nothingness after death - simple as that.

Basically you don't know you're dead. I'm not afraid of dieing, just so long as I die naturally - not stabbed or anything nasty like that.

[BWare 0]

The whole idea of an afterlife was created by people who couldn't grasp or handle the idea of the nothingness after death - simple as that.

How cynical! No, it is not simple as that. I covered this earlier. Nihilism is an intellectual copout. Do you have an answer for where we came from? We were put here.... nothing else makes sense! You have to accept that there is something else out there... and accept your own moral responsibility! I think that nihilism was created by people that don't want to be held accountable. It's wishful thinking to a certain extent.

[General immeyourenot 0]

I have to believe in that we don't actually HAVE a purpose, other than to reproduce & continue the survival of our species, the most substantial amount of evidence for the creation of human beings is the big bang theory, there is considerably more to back that than other theories, which would infact mean that human existance is an accident.

 

I say that there is no room for god because, although you are entitled to your own oppinion, i believe that god does not exist. When our race was young & we had not "invented" science, people looked for ways to explain things, this lead to people thinking that thunder & lightening was the product of some kind of god being, who was angry at them, this lead to people thinking that this god person must have created the universe, which leads us to today, where science can create much more convincing reasons why we are here. However the tradition carries on. But that is just my oppinion, the younger generation of Brits tend not to believe in god, & the older generations who do very rarely go to church or anything, god just isn't as big over here as he is in america.

[Saracen 16]

Ahh the joys of the question 'What is Nirvana?'

 

Nothingness is beyond any understanding. Which is why I even question the big bang. There couldn't be nothingness before the big bang, it is seemingly and physically impossible. OK I know that black holes can bend light and a certain teaspoon of matter can weigh 5000 Tonnes but nothingness is incomprehensible.

 

But going back to the theory surrounding life, I personally believe that there must be something before and beyond our present existence. We all say "in a previous life" during certain conversations.. surely this is more than just a figure of speech.

 

Deja Vu is something I do question to be more than just mere coincedence. What if the universe has always been here.. expanding like normal, then reversing until the universe comes to the big crunch, to the point where it grows so small, like an atom. The pressure, the instability, everything causes it to explode, and thus create the big bang. Time starts again, and life starts all over again...

 

What if this has been happening for billions upon billions of years and we don't realise... how long has the universe and time itself really been going on?

[General immeyourenot 0]

The principals of Dark Energy is so that the galaxy cannot pull together into a big crunch, if it wasn't for dark energy we would already be pulling together due 80% to dark matter 20% to gravity, instead we are flying further & further apart, the work of dark energy.

[BWare 0]

One major problem I have with those ideas...

Matter can not randomly arrange itself to create anything, let alone something as complex as a living cell, or even eventually the human brain.... the most complex structure in the known universe. It flies in the face of the second law of thermodynamics. For those unfamiliar... everything is moving from a high point of organization and order to a low point of entropy- total chaos. Creation implies a creator. There is just no way around that.

[Saracen 16]

Most possibly but physics is such that all things concerning the universe are still theoretical. I'm just basing my knowledge from what I learned in my final year at school 6 years ago now. Knowledge about the universe may have improved since then, but I'm just going on the foundations of theories from that time.

[General immeyourenot 0]

Human knowledge of the universe & how it works is so limited that we cannot actually conclusivly justify any real explanation for the creation of the universe. We can no more comprehend how the universe works that a spider can understand how its brain works.

[BWare 0]

so you want to leave it at that? Have you no theories? Seriously, I am 100% certain that I have the answer... it's been in the Bible all along. It's the one religious text that has actually stood up against advances in human knowledge and understanding. It is constantly being affirmed, which is pretty remarkable.

[General immeyourenot 0]

We have no idea what the real truth is, Christians will say its god, Muslims will say its Allah, scientists will say whatever the hell they like. The only way ever to find out is to die, & i don't plan on that anytime soon. Religions have caused deaths, some cultures find it hard to accept that other people are allowed an oppinion & don't allow them in etc. All these theories cause strife for no gain whatsoever. It is my firm belief that the world would be a happier place if there were no squabbles over theories, no holy wars or anything. I think if we all just accepted that we will never know there would be less problems to deal with, & I would not have to sit through stupid RE lessons twice a week :roll: .

[BWare 0]

...Christians will say its god...

That's God with a capital "G." :wink:

If Allah gets it I think GOD should as well.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Lots of questions. lots more hocus-pocus answers.

 

Look at Star Wars. The books I mean. The Force is explained as a sort of energy field that connects all things. It binds us, and penetrates us. The beings with a conscience, like humans, have strong lifesign in the Force. Vital aurora if you will (to quote E.E.Knight's Vampire Earth series) The things with much less conscience, like a rock or a tree, have a much lower lifesign in the Force. And machines are a totally different matter. They have more of an echo of lifesign. A ghost, so to speak. And the Yhuuzahn Vong (read the books) have been "stripped" of the Force. They carry no lifesign, at least not perceptible to Jedi.

 

So the Force has many parralelles (boy, I'm good at spelinng) to the therories of Conscience. Its a way of thinking of sorts. I'm not saying that I believe in the Force, (hey, it would be cool, would it not) but it a great way of summing up human beliefs concerning souls and the like.

 

BTW the early humans wouldnt have just sat down and said "How?" "A God did it" They had to get the idea of a spiritual being from somewhere

 

Humans cannot fully comprehend the Expansiveness of the whole divine being thing, or infinity, or The Heart of Gold :mrgreen: :bouncer: (for those of you who know what I mean)(hehehe)

[BWare 0]

So... Star Wars, huh? :lol:

 

Hehe, just kidding. You do have an interesting point:

BTW the early humans wouldnt have just sat down and said "How?" "A God did it" They had to get the idea of a spiritual being from somewhere

This is an excellent point. It is ridiculously unlikely that the idea of a spiritual side of things would come from nowhere. We as humans have unique souls that hold a predisposition to striving for something other than our temporal reality. Why would we strive for an afterlife if it was unobtainable? There MUST be something else out there. I find the answers REPEATEDLY in the Bible... I'm telling you people, it is really crazy how it all comes together. The Force isn't involved, but hey.... :wink:

[Luk3us 63]

Nothing. We die thats it our body decomposes and all the little bugs eat it. Thats it. We're not special we're just another animal on this planet destined to die.

 

Meaning of life? Thats easy have kids so they can do the same. Like all the other animals on the planet.

 

As for the whole GOD thing. What sounds more realistic? We evolved from a bunch of little amoni acids then into a bunch of apes then went along the evolutionary journey to end up as we are today.... Over the period of a few hundred thousand years...

 

Or some Devine Being turned up one day farted and decided it was bored so created us... And then pop we're there culture and everything.

[BWare 0]

the latter, actually, yes. Creation implies a creator. Those amino acids you mentioned never assemble themselves randomly. Things don't come from nothingness.. order does not spring from disorder. Spontaneous generation was disproven in the 19th century. A creator is NECESSARY for us to exist.

 

Face the facts dude... this isn't just wishful thinking :wink:

[Luk3us 63]

I'm not going to argue with you. You know why? Because it would be like you trying to convert me. It ain't ever gonna happen. And obviously I'm not going to be able to convice you that religion is ****e (no offence .

 

So yeah.

 

Besides if there was such thing has a God I'd be sooo screwed... :wink:

[Sonic 296]

I will allow this thread to continue but please careful about what you say, when you start touching on the subject of religion you may offend others.

We have different views on this subject, debate the topic not the people who are posting in it.

 

I would also like to say this probably one of the most intelligent topics we have ever had.... and so many big words to :lol:

[BWare 0]

hehe thanks Sonic

 

Luk3us: I will definitely agree with you about religion. That's not what I'm talking about though... I look at it very rationally. Christianity is not a "religion" (for the most part- it still gets screwed up by some people). There are no set rules or regulations. It is simply a relationship with Jesus Christ. I am very open-minded about it... show me something that makes more sense and I will agree with you. Don't worry about offending me... I can take it :wink:

I won't go all "Jihad" on you, hehe

[General immeyourenot 0]

Creation does not nescessarily need a creator, it has been theorised that some particles can appear, just appear, they need nothing to create them at all, a force can appear at random without any intervention, this connects to the Big Bang theiry saying that if just one of these was to be created then the entire mass of the whole universe would be focused on one point, causeing that point to simultaniously gain energy. This is uber-complicated physics stuff, & im honoured to be taught by a Doctor who studies this stuff for a living. Skipping all the complicated bits this would lead to an explosion of matter of an immense scale, particles would gather & eventually the circumstances for the universe would come to play, leaving radiation scattered across the universe. That radiation has been found.

 

A counter to the whole God theory, if God created everything, then what created God?