Life after Death

[Luk3us 63]

luk3us, youre pretty close to the 2000 post mark, J_Fireman has got a long way to go......

 

Yep.

 

 

Anyway you can't really know what the world would be like with out religion... It might be good or bad. To hard to say as Cygnus X-1 said a lot of human history is linked to religion.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

In fact, pretty much none of us would be here, or if we were, we wouldnt be ourselves as we are now.

[BWare 0]

But is it really nescessary in this moden world? I see no need.

Yes it is, and you don't see it because of your own blindness. Mankind needs spirituality. It is built into us, hardcoded into our brains. "Progressives" (who take different forms: liberals, commies, etc....) often don't see the need, and take a position that denies that basic truth. It is a fatal flaw. That's why communism fails. That's why the horror of the vision of 1984 is so detestable to us. Mankind needs spirituality. This is, of course, because we were created by a personal God... but that's a point for another time :wink:

 

I will agree, however, that structured religion is seldom the answer, and causes a great deal of problems, all previously mentioned. Keep in mind though... people will take any excuse to kill each other. It just sometimes happens to be religion. Religion isn't the sole purpose of war. :roll:

[chickendippers 1]

Communism failed in Russia, but it's been quite sucessfull in China.

[apocolyp4 0]

If Communism in China is so succesful why is it that Taiwan wants nothing to do with it?

[J-Fire_Man 0]

Religion is a plague, the world would be a better place without it...

Err.....I don't think so gazdude.

Hmm......since I'm not a religion expert....hmmmm.......I wil just do hmmmmmmm.......

 

And Sonic, can you restore my rank into the normal rank? The common "member" image template is pretty weird. And I want to beat luk3us post count and get a 4 star rank general

 

Really? I was actually gonna go for the custom rank thing. Even made my own cool little member title too...

Yeah maybe. Sonic for get about what I said in my previous post. I will make my own custom member pic. An Elite Jounin

 

Anyway guys, I agree with BWare. You can't blame anything on religions. it's human selfish who create the war. Just take a look at Mahatma Gandhi, he get rid of the British in the colonialism era with peace, his act is based on the Hindu's way. I'm impressed with him, he can do everything with peace, didn't wear such expensive clothes, act like a poor person wherever he is. Sadly, the present Indian can be said has lower morality day by day.

[apocolyp4 0]

I think using Mahatma Gandhi as an example on the surface may look as a good example but if you look at it deeper its probly one of the worst one to use overall when religion is considered as just after the British left there was bloodshed and chaos brought on by sectarianism with the hindus and muslims hating each other due to their religion.

[J-Fire_Man 0]

As I said, it's all because human selfish. Not the religion itself. WHy the hell you think that religion is the most thing that create wars? I don't think so, eventough if this world has no religion, war will still exist. And I'm sure it won't be in a small way. Some Humans are so selfish. Take a look at the old colonialism day. Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, and other people who take the roles in WW2. Whatever things you say that if religon didn't exist, war won't happen, is just a stupid theory.

 

Life without death, things will go unbalanced. Thinks logically.

[BWare 0]

well said J-Fire. Religion is often a good excuse to go to war... it can be a usefull tool for those in power. :wink:

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Lenin wasnt in WW2. But your piont is made. Not all wars are religious, and many humans are greedy anyhow.

 

Personally, wile I believe in Faith, I dont neccessaryily believe in Religion. Most religions are too structured, they focus too much on procedure, and they lose the essence of the faith.

[General immeyourenot 0]

But is it really nescessary in this moden world? I see no need.

Yes it is, and you don't see it because of your own blindness. Mankind needs spirituality. It is built into us, hardcoded into our brains. "Progressives" (who take different forms: liberals, commies, etc....) often don't see the need, and take a position that denies that basic truth. It is a fatal flaw. That's why communism fails. That's why the horror of the vision of 1984 is so detestable to us. Mankind needs spirituality. This is, of course, because we were created by a personal God... but that's a point for another time :wink:

 

I will agree, however, that structured religion is seldom the answer, and causes a great deal of problems, all previously mentioned. Keep in mind though... people will take any excuse to kill each other. It just sometimes happens to be religion. Religion isn't the sole purpose of war. :roll:

 

You believe in a God, it has been hammered into you from an early age & you believe it & nothing could convince you otherwise. Simple

 

I don't believe in a God, it had been hammered into me from an early age but I refused to believe in such a far fetched concept & nothing will convince me otherwise.

 

They is no point arguing, nothing will even change, the sole purpose of this thread seems to be for the religious people to tell the non-religious that their way of thinking is right & vice-versa, it is all so very pointless, just like the whole concept of even having these views.

 

Why should anyone care if their is a God or not, in the end it will not make the slightest bit of difference because we will all be dead, nothing will change that. Dead, Full Stop.

 

See you all in hell! Not that it exists anyway!

[Luk3us 63]

They is no point arguing

 

Well why are you still postin? :lol:

[Cygnus X-1 12]

And you kinda contradicted your self there,

 

MAKE UP YOUR MIND!

[Luk3us 63]

What?

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Not you luk3us, General immeyournot contradicted himself.

[Luk3us 63]

Oh ok.

 

Go atheism...

[BWare 0]

You believe in a God, it has been hammered into you from an early age & you believe it & nothing could convince you otherwise. Simple

Not simple. Don't belittle my point of view. It is definitely possible to convince me that there is no God (I'm not that closed-minded), but I have seen no compelling reason to abandon my faith. I have not been brainwashed, and please notice that I'm not sinking as low as calling you names. Grow up.

 

nothing will convince me otherwise.

oh man, that is so ignorant. You should never have that kind of an unconditinonal disagreement with anything! That is a symptom of a weak mind.

 

the sole purpose of this thread seems to be for the religious people to tell the non-religious that their way of thinking is right & vice-versa

yes.... it's called debate, an open forum for dissenting opinions. What did you expect? Again, grow up.

 

it is all so very pointless, just like the whole concept of even having these views.

oh, yet another brilliant, shining burst of maturity from immeyourenot. :roll:

How about the final destination of our souls? Isn't that compelling in the least? I wouldn't call something that determines that pointless....

 

See you all in hell!

I guess so!

[General immeyourenot 0]

But unless there was undeniable proof that there was a god then there is no way that I could convince you that there wasnt, so that is why I made my point. And I am not calling you names & I never will, if anything I have been refraining from such things more than you. Another point is that I am increadably mature for my age.

 

I am not being narror minded about gods, but I would just not believe in one untill one jumped up & down in front of my face. This is my chosen path. It is my choice & only I can decide my fate.

 

Before saying anything about the destination ofour souls or any crap, first prove me that we even have souls, then we can go down that path of discussion.

 

This whole topic is flareing up, it should either calm down or stop entirely.

[BWare 0]

I refused to believe in such a far fetched concept & nothing will convince me otherwise.

I would just not believe in one untill one jumped up & down in front of my face.

 

Well how about that. You changed your mind! I'll bet you didn't even notice! Flawed thinking dude... very flawed.

 

Personally, wile I believe in Faith, I dont neccessaryily believe in Religion. Most religions are too structured, they focus too much on procedure, and they lose the essence of the faith.

Cygnus, that is put incredibly well. I couldn't agree more.

[General immeyourenot 0]

Well how about that. You changed your mind! I'll bet you didn't even notice! Flawed thinking dude... very flawed.

 

Well, it has always been the second one, but since there is no chance of it happening I thought that it would go without saying for most readers.

 

There is no need to systematically pick through my posts looking for insignificant matters.

 

If I started believeing in things that there is no proof actually exist then all manner of things can happen around those points. Im not saying they don't exist, no-one will ever know, but there is no point in worrying about them right now, we are given ONE LIFE, I intend to live mine as fully as I can without bowing down to something that may no even exist in the first place, its my life! People get very fanatical about what they worship, religions are just the nice name for an unorganised cult, & it leads to trouble, for example the recent (although overblown) terrorism things.

[BWare 0]

There is no need to systematically pick through my posts looking for insignificant matters.

I didn't have to "pick through" your post to see that glaring contradiction. I just thought I'd point it out for you.

 

the recent (although overblown) terrorism things.

Yeah. Tell that to a New Yorker. Man, it's scary how many people out there are willing to underestimate terrorism...

[Mario 0]

yeh u shuld never underestimate the terroist scumbags u never know wot the b******ds r gonna do next

[Cygnus X-1 12]

Geez, I'm gone for a day, and this place really heated up!

 

Unorganized cult? I'd say that most religions are very organized. Too organized in fact. The Catholic church would have us worshiping a book, they are so obsessed with the proper order of things, and the precise words and actions, and I'm getting sick of Rome. Or rather, Vatican city. Those people are getting as bad as politicians.

[General immeyourenot 0]

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the recent (although overblown) terrorism things.

Yeah. Tell that to a New Yorker. Man, it's scary how many people out there are willing to underestimate terrorism...

 

Admittedly yes, a lot of people did die on 9/11, but that is it, threat gone, get better defences & try again America. But they is no reason for America or even Britain to institue anti-terrorism laws that DENY HUMAN RIGHTS. It is my firm belief that anyone who denies human rights in such a way is scum. The government are trying to control the people, denying people of trials, free will etc. We are not cattle for the government, there to collect taxes for a bunch of lazy fools who don't know what ordinary people want. We are human beings, the government seems to forget that.

 

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is the most important document ever created in the history of mankind. Without it the world would be even more corrupt than it is, yet the government still exploits us, still denies basic human right. Anti-terrorist laws, Camp X-ray, examples where human rights have been denied.

 

The government has blown up the whole terrorism thing just so it can institute laws so that it can control us more. I wish the Queen would just go & have Blair executed for crimes against humanity, she has the power to.

[Cygnus X-1 12]

I was under the impression that British monarchy was figurative only. No real political power, ecxept as a member of the councils(or whatever they're called. Parliment, I think)