Communism Discussion

[LIXINYU 0]

I am a communist but i will buy it 8)

[Luk3us 63]

The Chinese aren't proper communists anyway so who cares.

[CRAZY_PALADIN 0]

sarcasm lol, but i don't like what Chinese (yep our) goverment did.RA2 banned? no not actully.thousands of us play that game every day for in fact it has nothing to do with the communism, isn't that in a parallel universe huh?

[Ghostalker 0]

I am the TRUE communist but do you think communists will take your things without pay it?? I know some Chinese will do this but actually, they are FALSE communists...

 

Will buy TW, definitly!

[BWare 0]

I am the TRUE communist

:?:

[Ghostalker 0]

It means I'm one of those who really agrees communism.

 

Most Chinese communists doesn't agree communism, they only have a title.

[BWare 0]

But haven't you noticed that it fails... miserably... every time it's tried?

 

Its complete antithesis, capitalism, succeeds brilliantly every time it's applied.

 

According to every fact and bit of historical evidence, Adam Smith > Carl Marx :wink:

[Cygnus X-1 12]

I am the TRUE communist

 

So back to he...I mean, Russia....No one is a "true" commie anymore.

 

do you think communists will take your things without pay it?

 

well paying for it promotes capitalism....so yes, I do.

[Ghostalker 0]

communism will be succeed after very long time...after people have less evil thoughts, and the working machines instead the workers.

 

And I, a communist, will obay your rules at first, because you are capitalism, true communists won't force other people to change their faith.

 

Although the Soviet has gone and the old China has changed, there's still true communism in this world...it is called faith.

[Mario 0]

hell yes lookin 4ward 2 it

[Cygnus X-1 12]

You both should be looking foreward to BWare chewing you out.

 

Are you serious,

hell yes lookin 4ward 2 it

 

Looking forward to another Nuclear cold war, looking forward to hotspots all across the planet, looking forward to the oppression of countless millions....go to hell. You'll like it there. Have fun with Stalin and his cronnies.

[CRAZY_PALADIN 0]

hell not too political dude, we're discussing a game huh?

 

RA/RA2/CCG are banned in china for some political reasons, so what? people here still play them, you know why? for we love command & conquer. and that's all. and we'll play the game.

 

capitalism or socialism? damn it! who cares? just have fun commanding and conquering.

(and if you like i would like to say Kane will bring the world as a united one lol)

[TheBlackOut 6]

communism will be succeed after very long time...after people have less evil thoughts, and the working machines instead the workers.

 

And I, a communist, will obay your rules at first, because you are capitalism, true communists won't force other people to change their faith.

 

Although the Soviet has gone and the old China has changed, there's still true communism in this world...it is called faith.

 

Oh yea, the U.S.S.R. lasted a LONG time. I mean... Its not like the USA has been here longer... Oh wait.. Nevermind!

 

Religion... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Soviet_Union k.

 

Communism is a form of government and economy, not a faith. I guess the Chinese propaganda works, huh? I wonder if North Korea's is working on its starving population...

 

True communism? Nope, not such a thing. It cannot be deployed in the real world, sorry.

[Ghostalker 0]

Are you serious,

communism will be succeed after very long timethat is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

I admit that all the Soviet-like nations are failed but that's their own fault but the communism's. If USA think that USSR is totally useless and will fail all by itself, then why Uncle Sam joined the cold war, to against Soviet?

 

people will always have evil thoughts.

 

Of course they have, so we must cleanse ourself. If you don't want to do that, fine, go to hell.

 

that right there proves that you are not a communist, because you are obeying "our" rules ( :roll: )

 

I obey your rules because I'm talking with YOU, and I'm trying to buy YOUR game. If you are in China, you must obey OUR rules, too.

 

No, true communists did and have forced others to follow them through rule byb fear and force. Oh, and since when has Communism become a "faith" ? :shock: :?

 

Actually those "communists" who have forced others to follow them through rule byb fear and force are false ones. I know Russian did that, but did I say that they are true ones? Oh, and anything you belive and will belive forever could be called a "faith".

 

dude, true communists were all atheists.

 

Did I mention that there's a god or something in communism?

 

 

Actually I didn't say that you guys should give up capitalism, And I didn't offend capitalism, either...I think there could have peace. I don't know why you are so sensitive about this? No fear, communists will not eat you. What's the true communism? Will it work in real world? Who cares! I just want that we could live in a better world, a paradise. I belive there will be a paradise, and no matter whether it have moneys, banks, 8 hours works....We just say "Communism" as "Paradise". Isn't this a faith?

 

At least, I want no arguement kinda like this in that paradise!!

[Alphabear 11]

Good on you for standing up for what you beleive in. I agree with communism in some aspects just not completely but i have had this argument before with people here.

[BWare 0]

Ugh. Lotta ground to cover- bear with me :wink:

 

I admit that all the Soviet-like nations are failed but that's their own fault but the communism's.

This is -very- poorly written, but those nations failed because of the attempted application of the ideals of communism. Communism fails. Always. It would take an insane "faith" (as you call it) to actually believe in that evil system after its constand failures.

 

If USA think that USSR is totally useless and will fail all by itself, then why Uncle Sam joined the cold war, to against Soviet?

Did you seriously just switch from past to present tense there? That is, you said that we should have done something because of what we know now. Do you realize how stupid that is?? You actually said... "if the USA knows (now)... then why DID they do (in the past)....? You all see how horribly stupid that is, right? Just checking.

 

Bottom line: The USSR was a looming threat, and we stared them down without firing a shot. It was the ultimate showdown- capitalism vs communism, and the odds were pretty even. Capitalism won overwhelmingly. Does this not prove something to you? Look at the depression and misery of Russia, and then look at the unbelievable bounty of America! The proof is right there for anyone to see!

 

Of course they have, so we must cleanse ourself. If you don't want to do that, fine, go to hell.

Did he say that he didn't want to "cleanse himself?" No, he was being a REALIST. He knows that communism can NEVER work in the real world (where it counts), because there will always be evil people. Period. (No need to tell people to "go to hell" here kid... Let's try to keep this civil, k?)

 

Actually those "communists" who have forced others to follow them through rule byb fear and force are false ones.

Then what on earth is a "true" communist? Communism has never and WILL never happen without a bloody, rule-by-fear revolution. Do you have NO concept of history??

 

I know Russian did that, but did I say that they are true ones? Oh, and anything you belive and will belive forever could be called a "faith".

Belief in a certain economic system is NOT a faith. I believe in capitalism because it works, always (as opposed to communism which fails, always. Simple, no?). That is not a faith. I like Command & Conquer because I find it fun. That isn't a faith either. Get your definitions straight here dude.

 

Did I mention that there's a god or something in communism?

No. There IS no god in communism. Communism leaves no room for dissention or religion, period.

Oh, and again with the definitions...... atheism means belief that there, specifically, is NO god ("a" meaning "no", and "theism" meaning "god", basically). Sheesh. Use dictionary.com or something if you must.....

 

Actually I didn't say that you guys should give up capitalism, And I didn't offend capitalism, either...I think there could have peace. I don't know why you are so sensitive about this?

Hundreds of millions in the last century have been murdered in the name of your economic system, and it once- recently- posed a very real threat to our nation. We have DEFINITE reason to hate it and those who claim to be communists.

 

*One other thing- If you're fine with capitalism, then you sure as hell aren't a "true communist" either!

 

No fear, communists will not eat you.

If left alone, they very well may. Thank God for Ronald Reagan. :wink:

 

What's the true communism? Will it work in real world? Who cares!

What? Do you actually belive anything? As a "true communist," you, of all people, SHOULD care!!

If you really don't care, then don't go around calling yourself a communist! Holy cow... self-proclaimed communists don't get very warm receptions in the US, I can tell you that much :shock: (well, except for college campuses. We're more "open minded" there :roll: :roll:)

 

I just want that we could live in a better world, a paradise. I belive there will be a paradise, and no matter whether it have moneys, banks, 8 hours works....We just say "Communism" as "Paradise". Isn't this a faith?

It's a kid daydreaming with unrealistic expectations of mankind.... not a "faith." Back in the 18th century, French Utopianism was all the rage. People thought like you did.... until reality slapped them hard in the face. Every utopia has ended in disaster- every one. And thousands have been tried.....

 

Here's a tip- In the future, refer to yourself as a believer in utopia instead of a communist. That way people will just laugh instead of smacking you. :wink:

[Alphabear 11]

Bware do you have to insult him about his gramma when it is his second language?

 

Belief in a certain economic system is NOT a faith. I believe in capitalism because it works, always (as opposed to communism which fails, always. Simple, no?). That is not a faith. I like Command & Conquer because I find it fun. That isn't a faith either. Get your definitions straight here dude.

Definition of "Faith"

# religion: a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny; "

# complete confidence in a person or plan etc;

# religion: an institution to express belief in a divine power;

# loyalty or allegiance to a cause or a person; "keep the faith"

[Ghostalker 0]

Okay, let's see.

 

Communism fails. Always. It would take an insane "faith" (as you call it) to actually believe in that evil system after its constand failures.

I actually think capitalism is more evil because everyone is looking for money...and we all know, the realiaty is diffenert from this opinion. I hate Stalin and I even hate Mao, because the stupid "Civil Revolation". We know our fault, instead of attacking others like you.

 

Do you realize how stupid that is?? You actually said... "if the USA knows (now)... then why DID they do (in the past)....? You all see how horribly stupid that is, right?

 

Capitalism won overwhelmingly.

Of course I know. But seems your meaning is "US will be unbeatable, espically before the stupid Soviet", right? Don't you think the word "unbeatable" is stupid enough?

 

Did he say that he didn't want to "cleanse himself?" No, he was being a REALIST.

If you want to be better, you must aid to the best. If somebody thinks "Oh, I'm a realist, I couldn't be perfect, so I could hold this bad behavior as well", he's the real stupid.

 

Communism has never and WILL never happen without a bloody, rule-by-fear revolution. Do you have NO concept of history??

Of course I have. But it's the past. No one could hold a revolation now. The revolation is against the oppression. I want to ask you that when you are under an injustice oppression, and your boss is evil and there are thousands of your brothers who have the same thought, will you fight? And look at the enemy of the revolation! The emperor, who made people suffered a lot! The royal police killed everyone who said "the emperor is bad". So relax, people will not have that "bloody and rule-by-fear" revaloation on USA untill the US goverment turned to be like a tyrant or NAZI, ect.

 

Oh, and again with the definitions...... atheism means belief that there, specifically, is NO god ("a" meaning "no", and "theism" meaning "god", basically). Sheesh. Use dictionary.com or something if you must.....?

So, I mean there's no god in communism and you mean the same thing, and then what are we arguing for? Maybe you have an eager in argre?

 

Hundreds of millions in the last century have been murdered in the name of your economic system, and it once- recently- posed a very real threat to our nation. We have DEFINITE reason to hate it and those who claim to be communists.

*One other thing- If you're fine with capitalism, then you sure as hell aren't a "true communist" either!

Thank you for mention that...G.Is have do a lot of bad things in China, too. I mean in last century. And US plays an unfriendly part in the Taiwan problem. But still I can accept you. I can even accept Japaness. Still that saying, if you cannot resist your hatred, your hatred will destroy you.

 

If left alone, they very well may.

Oh, old opinions again. Should I remind what you have done to the poor Indians?

 

Do you actually belive anything? As a "true communist," you, of all people, SHOULD care!!

Why I "Should" care, just because you said I should? You are even not a communist, how could you tell me what I "should" do? You are looking at us with a sight of the last centroy!

 

It's a kid daydreaming with unrealistic expectations of mankind.... not a "faith." Back in the 18th century, French Utopianism was all the rage. People thought like you did.... until reality slapped them hard in the face. Every utopia has ended in disaster- every one. And thousands have been tried.....

Like you own saying, who knows the future! And every utopia havn't try communism yet. The communism need its people to be more pure...or at least more hopeful.

 

Actually, if you said "I hate communism" in China, a lot of people will agree you...That what I mean about "false communists". And if you said "I hate the communism which shown on the history, and I hate what the communists have done", true communists will agree you, too. Don't judge "true" or "false" by your mind, because you hate it. The hatred will bent the truth.

[CRAZY_PALADIN 0]

calm down you battlesome dude. it's not a political forum, huh?

we fight for fun, not ur ideology

 

"its called sarcasm" that's it, i like

 

no ideology fails or else we won't have such an interesting world, no one goona be true Capitalism or Communism, and that's what goverment do,and i like what Einstein said (in RA)

"Time will tell ...Sooner or later...Time will tell.."

[Ghostalker 0]

Well...of course you are right.

 

I didn't angry about the sarcasm, I just want to say that, I, a communist, will definitly pay for my favourite game!

[BWare 0]

I actually think capitalism is more evil because everyone is looking for money...

How is that evil, exactly? Some of the worst attrocities in the last century have been committed by communists, whereas capitalism has brought unimaginable wealth and prosperity to ALL the citizens of the countries that embrace it. How is that evil, exactly? Because it's money-centric? So is EVERY economic system, by definition! Your typical, knee-jerk anti-capitalist sentiment here just doesn't make any sense, frankly :?

 

Of course I know. But seems our meaning is "US will be unbeatable, espically before the stupid Soviet", right? Don't you think the word "unbeatable" is stupid enough?

Yes, it would be a stupid thing to say.... but I never actually said it. Helluva point there dude...... :roll:

 

If you want to be better, you must aid to the best. If somebody thinks "Oh, I'm a realist, I couldn't be perfect, so I could hold this bad behavior as well", he's the real stupid.

"He's the real stupid?" Listen- we're talking about the world and economics, not personal morality. Get this through your head- An acknowledgement that there will always be evil men does NOT equal a moral copout on your part. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

 

Thank you for mention that...G.Is have do a lot of bad things in China, too. I mean in last century. And US plays an unfriendly part in the Taiwan problem. But still I can accept you.

The US saved the East from Japanese imperialism. You have NO reason to hold a grudge against us.

 

Oh, old opinions again. Should I remind what you have done to the poor Indians?

Don't even go there. That was a clash of civilizations- industrial age meets stone age. And besides, the Indians, in many cases, were savages. Have you ever heard of scalping?

In any case, the "attrocities" committed by the white man in America PALE in comparison to the unspeakably evil, beastly behavior of some Asian countries. You're Chinese, right? How can you claim ANY moral superiority with a straight face??

 

Why I "Should" care, just because you said I should? You are even not a communist, how could you tell me what I "should" do? You are looking at us with a sight of the last centroy!

I'm not sure -at all- what that last sentence meant, but you, as a "communist," SHOULD care about how communism is applied in the real world! Otherwise, you're not a communist at all.

 

Like you own saying, who knows the future! And every utopia havn't try communism yet. The communism need its people to be more pure...or at least more hopeful.

And, as I've said a dozen times already, people CAN NOT be that "pure." Communism is a pipe dream that will never work without massive bloodshed, and history proves me right a thousand times over. Those utopias I mentioned were almost exclusively communist in nature. Check mate.

 

Actually, if you said "I hate communism" in China, a lot of people will agree you...That what I mean about "false communists". And if you said "I hate the communism which shown on the history, and I hate what the communists have done", true communists will agree you, too. Don't judge "true" or "false" by your mind, because you hate it. The hatred will bent the truth.

I hate communism. It doesn't bend anything in my mind. If anything, it clarifies. Also, I'm just plain baffled by your jumping around and using "true" and "false" communist to describe everything. Why don't you tell us exactly what a "true communist" is in your mind? Right now, from what I can gather, your idea of a "true communist" is not actually a communist at all.

 

 

 

 

Definition of "Faith"

# religion: a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny; "

# complete confidence in a person or plan etc;

# religion: an institution to express belief in a divine power;

# loyalty or allegiance to a cause or a person; "keep the faith"

Only a fool uses the dictionary as a point in a real debate.

 

There is a very clear difference between faith and something that is described as A faith.

 

I have faith that the car I drive won't explode. That's not "a faith."

I have faith (well grounded faith) in capitalism. That's not "a faith" either.

My faith is in Christianity. THAT'S "a faith."

[Saracen 16]

The fact is that Ghostalker cannot say a single bad word against his country or even attempt to put China in a bad name.... He'll be heavily fined or arrested for doing so.

 

So as much as you wish to argue with him on Communism, one slip of the tongue and he is China's bitch. I'm suprised he's even allowed on these forums.

 

For reference: http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/asia/china-bck-0701.htm

[BWare 0]

That is a good point there King. Our friend here may be treading on dangerous ground... He probably hasn't yet experienced just how "friendly" his fellow commies can be :lol:

[Alphabear 11]

even though they arnt fellow commies just commies in name only.

 

And Bware dictionary definitions are a very good stratergy in a real debate. If used effectivly it can kill someones argument as long as the definitions supplied are not biased (which is why i supplied all of them)

[Ghostalker 0]

The fact is that Ghostalker cannot say a single bad word against his country or even attempt to put China in a bad name.... He'll be heavily fined or arrested for doing so.

 

I know hundreds or bad facts of China, but I didn't want to say them out to you. I've said that I hate Mao. I've said that I didn't like China now. Most young Chinese didn't like their country very much.

 

 

Well, now I have a simple way to discribe the communtism in my mind.

 

Examples.

 

In your capitalism world, if you saw a poor man, and you have evidence that he's a kind people, and he have a plan to rise himself if he could live through this week, and now he's nearly starve to death.... Will you help him all free or ask him to do heavy work(espacially those you don't want to do) for you?

 

If you help him freely that means you are pure. As the world developed, more and more people will be pure, and the evil men will be swept from this planet. And then, poor people reveived help, rich people didn't only looking for money, but also care his workers......

 

If that comes true, even in capitalism world, I still call it communitism. A true commnuitism wants peace and rich for all.

 

And back to the example, if you choose the second choice...maybe your God will prise you.

 

 

 

BTW, I know that US saved the east from Japanese. They are called..."Flying Tiger"? I know they are heroes. But it's only part of the truth!! Your goverment even didn't show the other part to you! Some(Yes, only "some", but there's still "some") G.Is do very bad thing in China, they rape girls, they run over people with a jeep...I hate them but I don't hate YOU because you are not them. I hope you could be more sense about it.