BlyTwo 0 Posted January 3, 2009 Why do you even bother posting that? Because what I said made sense? Is that it? You have nothing better to say because you don't want to think about what I said. Share this post Link to post
Fiesta 0 Posted January 3, 2009 (edited) It was legitimate. It's facts did fit, and made perfect sense, if it were biased it would not make any sense and would be completely irrational. If it were factual or not it made sense and was full of deep thought and research. What facts? What research? Since when does anything make more sense if it supports what IS a completely irrational argument about an inside job? Did YOU do any of your own REAL research using unbiased sources to confirm or deny what Zeitgeist claimed about the attacks? Do you have the black box? Why would I? And those pictures could have been taken anywhere. The scenery was different in each picture, Duh. Parts of the plane were sent in all directions on impact. In your little fantasy world, you seem to believe that plane crashes are supposed to leave every piece in a neat little pile around the aircraft. Screw that. the whole was there as if a plane hit in one piece there, burned and is now gone, "as if a plane hit in one piece" Ohhhh, I get it now. You don't think the plane was in one piece before it hit the ground. Makes perfect sense....... well, to you. and also the plane would have been more intact, look at this and this. The only way it would be blown apart like that would be if it was full of impact detonating explosives. *shrieks with laughter* That was serious comedy gold. You'd do better in stand-up than in these crappy arguments. In all seriousness, the plane flew straight into the ground, UPSIDE-DOWN, NOSE-FIRST, at a STEEP ANGLE. It didn't crash-land like those aircraft, pictures of which you're trying to feed me as evidence of your "truth". If there WERE explosives, the hole would have been MUCH bigger and there would have been chemical and physical evidence of the charges. Since there aren't any, and you have no source to back up your explosives claims AGAIN, I'll continue to refuse to take your "evidence" seriously. 1. Cheap site, could have easily be made by a group of biased debunkers. Debunkers are only biased against conspiracies, NOT the truth. Idiot. 2. Don't have Acrobat. You can't be real. 3. The transmission could have been set up, or there just was no real transition. Wild assumptions with no base. Again. I meant Pulse Rifles/Pistols, and Electro-magnetic wave emitters (on a massive scale, or even small can disrupt or even rearrange atoms, and therefor be able do pierce any armor, but large weapons like that just aren't build, because of the danger of a reverse EM Shockwave), and highly efficient Railguns (which is now considered old technology), and Particle acceleration emitters (which on a massive scale could blow apart a planet). Straying from your original point of hand-held weaponry. Nice. For one you put a question mark, To denote a rhetorical question. Do you know what those are? and for two, have you personally been there? Have you personally experienced these 'gas pockets'? And how is there such a continuous releasing of this 'gas'? I don't have to have been there. Divers, marine biologists, chemists, and topologists have gone there for me and deduced that there are ENORMOUS pockets of methane in the ocean floor (not just within the Triangle but all over the world; however the Triangle is a special case as I'll explain). Within the Bermuda Triangle, there are numerous "vents" from which these pockets can release their gas. Methane gas in those highly concentrated areas severely inhibits buoyancy and aerodynamics, and if I remember properly can interfere with communications equipment and aircraft electronics to the point of failure. Exactly, 'public knowledge' Which tells me you've somehow learned something we can't. If YOU of all people can find something that they're hiding, surely we could, as well, right? This is one of the biggest flaws of your arguments; that you think you're somehow capable of finding things out in a manner that's impossible for us to comprehend. Not determined at all, estimated, all science is best guess with what information has been given to the one who discovered it. You didn't answer the question. Are you calling them liars or not? Sarcasm is another product of the weak mind. Sarcasm and weak mind don't fit together. Simple as that. You failed to prove your point, again. I don't even know what drugs are hallucinogenic. What ones are? I couldn't possible be taking one, because i don't take any drugs or prescriptions. It was a fairly safe assumption, given that you think you're so damn high and mighty that nobody could ever challenge you. DD and Nmenth are right, you have a SEVERE superiority complex. That's compared to the people I converse with on a daily basis that have their own such complexes. It is nicknamed simply "The Union" or 'United Forces of Global Defense' ((UFGD)I have named my clan after it.) and it's rival 'The Allied Rebellion against Global Oppression' (ARGO). Yet you say you don't know what drugs are hallucinogenic. Terrific. Edited January 3, 2009 by Fiesta Share this post Link to post
sith_wampa 6 Posted January 3, 2009 Why do you even bother posting that? Because what I said made sense? Is that it? You have nothing better to say because you don't want to think about what I said. Made sense!? Don't give me that bull****. How dare you insult my intelligence. Your idiocy doesn't deserve my response. Share this post Link to post
BlyTwo 0 Posted January 3, 2009 What facts? The ones they explained Why would I? To prove yourself right..., or wrong. Duh. Parts of the plane were sent in all directions on impact. In your little fantasy world, you seem to believe that plane crashes are supposed to leave every piece in a neat little pile around the aircraft. Screw that. Screw nothing, they don't neatly sit there in a little pile around the plane, crap does fly for distances, but where was the plane? I saw enough shrapnel to maybe piece together a small part or the plane. "as if a plane hit in one piece" Ohhhh, I get it now. You don't think the plane was in one piece before it hit the ground. Makes perfect sense....... well, to you. Excuse me for poor wording. Correction::: "as if the plane hit and made a big hole, in which the plane would have still been, but there was no plane. Only a charred whole." In all seriousness, the plane flew UPSIDE-DOWN, NOSE-FIRST, at a STEEP ANGLE. How do you know that? Hmmmm? And nose first or not, it would still be mostly in one piece. Why are the three planes involved in the 'attacks' the only planes that just happen to be blown to tine shrapnel? And during 9/11 3 buildings supposedly went down because of fires, when it has never happened before? Debunkers are only biased against conspiracies, NOT the truth. Idiot. Biased is biased, illogical facts, full of holes... Wild assumptions with no base. Again. How is that wild? It makes sense and is completely possible. Straying from your original point of hand-held weaponry. Nice. Those all were hand-held weapons. To denote a rhetorical question. Do you know what those are? Didn't really work as rhetorical. I don't have to have been there. Divers, biologists, and topologists have gone there for me and deduced that there are ENORMOUS pockets of methane in the ocean floor (not just within the Triangle but all over the world; however the Triangle is a special case as I'll explain). Within the Bermuda Triangle, there are numerous "vents" from which these pockets can release their gas. Methane gas in those highly concentrated areas severely inhibits buoyancy and aerodynamics, and if I remember properly can interfere with communications equipment and aircraft electronics to the point of failure. Ya you do, there is no complete proof unless we were both there witnessing it, and were able to discuss it. And you have no idea if that is true or just something to shut people up. It doeasn't make compasses spin. Only a disruption in the Magnetosphere can do that. Which tells me you've somehow learned something we can't. If YOU of all people can find something that they're hiding, surely we could, as well, right? This is one of the biggest flaws of your arguments; that you think you're somehow capable of finding things out in a manner that's impossible for us to comprehend. No. You are mixing up what I said. The uncomprehendable is why the **** we are here. How we find information is through an area cam, a technology I can't even , where you can see like a camera being there, but without, but is short range. Are you calling them liars or not? Not at all, they say their predictions, and they call them that, see, scientists realize that what they do is guessing. Sarcasm and weak mind don't fit together. Simple as that. You failed to prove your point, again. They do completely, sarcasm is mindless dark humor. It was a fairly safe assumption, given that you think you're so damn high and mighty that nobody could ever challenge you. DD and Nmenth are right, you have a SEVERE superiority complex. That's compared to the people I converse with on a daily basis that have their own such complexes. That is a radical assumption, and you only say because i say something that you don't see everyday, THAT is everyone's problem!!! If you don't see it on a daily basis you think it is ****ing bull****!!! Yet you say you don't know what drugs are hallucinogenic. Terrific. Just p*ss off... Made sense!? Don't give me that bull****. How dare you insult my intelligence. Your idiocy doesn't deserve my response. Now look who's glorifying himself. Share this post Link to post
Doctor Destiny 41 Posted January 3, 2009 Unfortunately ARGO could care less about the fate of our planet. The machine, Atlantis, we have come to call the Omega Device, we're not entirely sure what it does, but it is almost complete it's charge cycle that has thought to have taken 3 billion years. It was created on our planet even before the previous cycle of evolution. The ones we believe to have built it seemed to have a complete understanding of the universe, a race we call Prometheian. For a race that was here at least 3 billion years ago, now is either extinct, or has left to another galaxy. The previous dominant species of our planet developed similar to us, because they evolved under the same conditions to us. So understanding their thought process isn't all that difficult, but understanding Prometheian is another story. The UFGD isn't willing to recruit anyone, the watch over all and pick out the ones with potential in at least one useful area, mine being combat strategy, pistol accuracy, staying alive, and small craft piloting. Bly. The world is not Perfect Dark, Mental Omega, Kablam! and any other fantasy nonsense you've cobbled together. You're ridiculous and none of this exists. You are not a member, you are a delusional fool. Stop trying to believe your own bull****, it's only digging you deeper into the pit of trollery. I wish I didn't, I am sick of that slow paced, only half true crap. ex. A school text-book said that the LHC (or it's relatives) was for simulating the 'big bang' (which has already been disproved within the Union). I am educated with the facts and history needed in the Union mostly. When I am urgently needed, a self powered matter rearranger creates a physical hologram of me. My personality, memory and knowledge are downloaded into the device, and no one will ever possibly realize that it isn't me. Union? What "Union"? If you mean the Union of Paranoid Dingbats, you have at that, champ. If you were to be C&C geeky you could compare this to GDI and NOD. No, no, no, no! NO! STOP! Also, it's Nod, not NOD, you ****wit. UFGD = trying to ensure we continue existence. ARGO = wants the Omega Device all for themselves, and if the device brings the planet with them, they don't care, they'll just fly somewhere else. Okay, so UFGD and ARGO are initialisms. What do they stand for? And enough with this "Omega Device." It does not exist. The initial rivalry was who could get the better technology first, and it slowly turned into blood wars. Now there are battlefields that span larger than the moon's diameter. Strongly considering joining the Alliance is a huge mistake, in times like these willingly looking to get your way into either side is a sentence to death. Are you a Scientologist? You could write science fiction for those loonies and you'd fit right in! Jackass. Why do you even bother posting that? Because what I said made sense? Is that it? You have nothing better to say because you don't want to think about what I said. We think about it alright but we can't for very long otherwise we begin to have aneurysms. Screw nothing, they don't neatly sit there in a little pile around the plane, crap does fly for distances, but where was the plane? I saw enough shrapnel to maybe piece together a small part or the plane. You almost never have all of the parts to recreate the entire plane. There are many notable examples on the subject like Delta Airlines Flight 191 in 1985 and United Airlines Flight 585 in 1991. Excuse me for poor wording. Correction::: "as if the plane hit and made a big hole, in which the plane would have still been, but there was no plane. Only a charred whole." You realize that velocity and momentum play a large part in why pieces were all over, don't you? Now unless simple physics has escaped that over-inflated ego, you should know this. How do you know that? Hmmmm? And nose first or not, it would still be mostly in one piece. Why are the three planes involved in the 'attacks' the only planes that just happen to be blown to tine shrapnel? And during 9/11 3 buildings supposedly went down because of fires, when it has never happened before? Do we have to go over this again? You were beaten into the ground on this point about a thousand times and you won't win. We know why, get the **** over it, you conspiracyfag. Biased is biased, illogical facts, full of holes... LOL! So is everything you've presented there, champ. Ya you do, there is no complete proof unless we were both there witnessing it, and were able to discuss it. And you have no idea if that is true or just something to shut people up. It doeasn't make compasses spin. Only a disruption in the Magnetosphere can do that. I don't need to be there. Not with all of the proof presented by scientists over many decades. They do completely, sarcasm is mindless dark humor. It's not mindless because it flies over your head. That is a radical assumption, and you only say because i say something that you don't see everyday, THAT is everyone's problem!!! If you don't see it on a daily basis you think it is ****ing bull****!!! INCORRECT! The scientific community frowns upon your conclusion! It's bull**** because it's bull****. Just p*ss off... You first. Now look who's glorifying himself. Still just you. Share this post Link to post
Fiesta 0 Posted January 3, 2009 (edited) The ones they explained I'll ask properly this time, then; what qualifies their arguments as facts? To prove yourself right..., or wrong. You missed the point. It would make NO sense for an ordinary civilian to possess a Black Box. Screw nothing, they don't neatly sit there in a little pile around the plane, crap does fly for distances, but where was the plane? I saw enough shrapnel to maybe piece together a small part or the plane. I showed you what was left of the plane. It impacted at 500+ miles an hour. NO passenger airliner has crashed under the same circumstances, STOP assuming it's going to do the same thing a crash-landing would. Excuse me for poor wording. Correction::: "as if the plane hit and made a big hole, in which the plane would have still been, but there was no plane. Only a charred whole." This is exactly the same bull**** used to further the argument about the Pentagon. How are you supposed to expect a passenger liner to carve a nice, neat hole in the ground and just lay in it when it impacted as quickly as it did? I guarantee even if it was an attempted crash-landing, the plane would have literally been torn apart and not left in large enough pieces to even justify removal of each piece by forklift. How do you know that? Hmmmm? Because I do legitimate research, obviously. A better question, which would take time to answer, is how deep was the hole? It was 35 feet deep. The ground was very soft there: it was landfill over a defunct coal mine. And nose first or not, it would still be mostly in one piece. For what reason? Have you ZERO concept for how badly an aluminum aircraft's structural integrity is compromised when crashing at over 500 miles per hour? Not once have you even tried applying physics to your arguments because you can't grasp the concept. Even if you could, you'd still be wrong. Why are the three planes involved in the 'attacks' the only planes that just happen to be blown to tine shrapnel? Because they were very large aircraft colliding with enormous structures at extremely high rates of speed. And during 9/11 3 buildings supposedly went down because of fires, when it has never happened before? I've heard this dry lie many dozens of times now, and it's just that; a complete LIE. The main towers collapsed because critical support columns were SEVERELY damaged and had fireproofing BLOWN OFF ENTIRELY, allowing fires to burn uncontrolled, softening the steel until it pulled the perimeter columns inward until they could no longer bear their extreme load. Tower 7 collapsed because the collapsing North Tower sent an entire section of support columns into the building, almost splitting it in 2 at the face, severing support columns, cutting off water to extinguishing sprinkers, and starting fires on multiple floors. Said fires softened the support structure until another column gave way, allowing the rest of the building to collapse. I'm going to re-quote this since you LOVE ignoring common sense and unbiased observations: There were a lot of firsts for the WTC. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been hit with a plane traveling 500 miles an hour and had its fire proofing removed from its trusses. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever had its steel columns which hold lateral load sheared off by a 767. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been a building which had its vertical load bearing columns in its core removed by an airliner. For Building 7, in all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been left for 6-7 hours with its bottom floors on fire with structural damage from another building collapse. Not the Madrid/Windsor tower did not have almost 40 stories of load on its supports after being hit by another building which left a 20 story gash. The Madrid tower lost portions of its steel frame from the fire. Windsor's central core was steel reinforced concrete. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been without some fire fighters fighting the fires. From debunking911.com. They also outline the following: The towers and building 7 were essentially bolted together like an erector set. No concrete was used to create a ridged block or protect the columns. The steel webbing was pushed to the outer walls. A challenge to conspiracy theorists: 1) Find a steel frame building at least 40 stories high 2) Which takes up a whole city block 3) And is a "Tube in a tube" design 4) Which came off its core columns at the bottom floors (Earthquake, fire, whatever - WTC 7) 5) Which was struck by another building or airliner and had structural damage as a result. 6) And weakened by fire for over 6 hours 7) And had trusses that were bolted on with two 5/8" bolts. And which, after all seven tests are met, the building does not fall down. Anyone dissecting this into 7 separate events is lying to you. Anything less than meeting these seven tests is dishonest because it's not comparing apples with apples. Showing a much lighter 4, 5 or even 15 story building which doesn't even take up a city block, and has an old style steel web design leaves out the massive weight the 47 story WTC 7 had bearing down on its south face columns. Yes, this is "moving the bar", back to where it should have started. It is an absurdity to expect these buildings to perform the same during a collapse. This is why it's the first time in history these buildings fell as they did. It's the first time in history buildings constructed like this collapsed. Biased is biased, illogical facts, full of holes... Which is what conspiracies are. How is that wild? It makes sense and is completely possible. It makes no sense as you have ZERO proof against the cockpit voice recorder itself OR the struggle and ensuing crash that took place. NOBODY does. Stop pretending you do. Those all were hand-held weapons. Maybe those first 2 examples were. The rest, no. Definitely not. Didn't really work as rhetorical. That sounds like a personal problem. Ya you do, there is no complete proof unless we were both there witnessing it, and were able to discuss it. And you have no idea if that is true or just something to shut people up. It doeasn't make compasses spin. Only a disruption in the Magnetosphere can do that. Idiot. It should also be remembered that compasses have natural magnetic variations in relation to the Magnetic poles. For example, in the United States the only places where magnetic (compass) north and geographic (true) north are exactly the same are on a line running from Wisconsin to the Gulf of Mexico. Navigators have known this for centuries. But the public may not be as informed and think there is something mysterious about the compass "changing" across an area as large as the Triangle, which it naturally will. No. You are mixing up what I said. The uncomprehendable is why the **** we are here. How we find information is through an area cam, a technology I can't even , where you can see like a camera being there, but without, but is short range. I'm taking this as admission of lying, since you seem to need that technology to support your claims, whereas I don't. Not at all, they say their predictions, and they call them that, see, scientists realize that what they do is guessing. Glad to see you agree with them, then. Edit; actually, reading that again, I realize you don't, as NOT ONE REAL scientist worth their credit, including demolitions experts and structural engineers, supports ANY conspiracy theory surrounding the WTC towers, the Pentagon, OR Flight 93. As DD said on the previous page, the scientific community frowns upon your conclusion. They do completely, sarcasm is mindless dark humor. There's more to it than that, but you don't seem to realize it. If you don't get it here, you never will. That is a radical assumption, and you only say because i say something that you don't see everyday, THAT is everyone's problem!!! If you don't see it on a daily basis you think it is ****ing bull****!!! Wrong. THAT is a radical assumption. Just p*ss off... I'd rather not. Edited January 3, 2009 by Fiesta Share this post Link to post
BlyTwo 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Bly. The world is not Perfect Dark, Mental Omega, Kablam! and any other fantasy nonsense you've cobbled together. You're ridiculous and none of this exists. You are not a member, you are a delusional fool. Stop trying to believe your own bull****, it's only digging you deeper into the pit of trollery. Although Perfect Dark is a cool game, the Union (I TOLD YOU was the UFGD) came way before, therefor Those fantasy whatever were partially based on the Union/Alliance rivalry.... No, no, no, no! NO! STOP! Also, it's Nod, not NOD, you ****wit. Okay, so UFGD and ARGO are initialisms. What do they stand for? And enough with this "Omega Device." It does not exist. Read some more... and don't give me tl;dr... And the Omega Device is what everything is about. And you have no word aginst mine there, because you won't believe it because you think it's crazy. Well guess what! The world just doesn't work your way. You almost never have all of the parts to recreate the entire plane. There are many notable examples on the subject like Delta Airlines Flight 191 in 1985 and United Airlines Flight 585 in 1991. But in that it was like the plane crashed and dug out a deep hole, if it dug a deep hole there would be a large mangled piece sill there. You realize that velocity and momentum play a large part in why pieces were all over, don't you? Now unless simple physics has escaped that over-inflated ego, you should know this. Yes I understand momentum and impact very well. And if a plane was going in at a steep angle nose first, it doesn't blow up into small pieces and spread around like confetti. Do we have to go over this again? You were beaten into the ground on this point about a thousand times and you won't win. We know why, get the **** over it, you conspiracyfag. You know i am getting tired of you... I don't need to be there. Not with all of the proof presented by scientists over many decades. If you were a scientist and someone was pointing a gun at your face, telling you what to say, would you say it? INCORRECT! The scientific community frowns upon your conclusion! It's bull**** because it's bull****. CORRECT! The scientific community knows this, it is seen constantly. You first. I was here first! Still just you. Made sense!? Don't give me that bull****. How dare you insult my intelligence. Your idiocy doesn't deserve my response. Sounds like glorifying. I'll ask properly this time, then; what qualifies their arguments as facts? What qualifies your arguments as facts? They both have practically the same facts, one is a quick conclusion (as is every crash or destruction), and the other has though, physicists that want to state what can, and many other scientists' facts and conclusions that were brushed away when there was a decided conclusion. You missed the point. It would make NO sense for an ordinary civilian to possess a Black Box. So if the military or CIA have it, and say they are the antagonists, they could say anything they want, and everyone would believe it. THAT you cannot deny, because there is that much power there that they could do anything they wanted, and no one would stop them. I guarantee even if it was an attempted crash-landing, the plane would have literally been torn apart and not left in large enough pieces to even justify removal of each piece by forklift. Says who? But with the pentagon, that doesn't fly. The building is another quite destructible object, and DEFINITELY would not have blown to shrapnel, and still get the stably DNA for testing. I know people that work at the CFB Comox, which btw is a damn pretty big base. His name is Shawn. They get the intel... And you don't. Because I do legitimate research, obviously. Excellent research, but not quite complete. There are some facts you just can't find on a website that completely go against the terrorist idea. For what reason? Have you ZERO concept for how badly an aluminum aircraft's structural integrity is compromised when crashing at over 500 miles per hour? Not once have you even tried applying physics to your arguments because you can't grasp the concept. Even if you could, you'd still be wrong. Now you sound like DD's twin... Because they were very large aircraft colliding with enormous structures at extremely high rates of speed. That would tear it up retard, not blow it apart, the shrapnel was pulled apart, look at the way the edges are, not even remotely looking like tears... I've heard this dry lie many dozens of times now, and it's just that; a complete LIE. The main towers collapsed because critical support columns were SEVERELY damaged and had fireproofing BLOWN OFF ENTIRELY, allowing fires to burn uncontrolled, softening the steel until it pulled the perimeter columns inward until they could no longer bear their extreme load. Tower 7 collapsed because the collapsing North Tower sent an entire section of support columns into the building, almost splitting it in 2 at the face, severing support columns, cutting off water to extinguishing sprinkers, and starting fires on multiple floors. Said fires softened the support structure until another column gave way, allowing the rest of the building to collapse. I'm going to re-quote this since you LOVE ignoring common sense and unbiased observations: It didn't matter if the fire systems were off, it could still withstand the heat! And why, why have there been no other 'disabling of the firesafe systems', which brought down a high carbon steel framed building. Huh!? Because it doesn't work! From debunking911.com. They also outline the following: Debunk sites are the worst sources of facts, a debunker is completely against who or what is being debunked. Therefor one sided and careless. Even for a debunk site for the original story, would be way to one sided and not legidimate. You dumbass, nothing came close, not to mention hit the building. Anyone who say it would say the same thing. Maybe those first 2 examples were. The rest, no. Definitely not. Ha! You just proved how oblivious you are. Those have been made small enough to hold, and the haven't been made by and National military at all! Idiot. I see you couldn't think of anything to say so you just called me an idiot again. Because that is the only way you are going to prove me right or wrong, is if I get a real sample of physical evidence in my mailbox. since you seem to need that technology to support your claims, whereas I don't. Anyone who hopes to know, needs the enlightenment from ones who have understood. If you don't than the only other possibility is you just don't care, and that's it. I realize you don't, as NOT ONE REAL scientist worth their credit, including demolitions experts and structural engineers, supports ANY conspiracy theory surrounding the WTC towers, the Pentagon, OR Flight 93. As DD said on the previous page, the scientific community frowns upon your conclusion. Uh, hmm. The building's architect himself supported the conspiracy theory, and so did many other scientists. The ones who were against the conspiracy were the ones at gunpoint, and sworn to secrecy, or death. Wrong. THAT is a radical assumption. roflmfao! That, my friend, is fact. It has been proven and studied by psychologists for centuries. I'd rather not. Then the war shall continue. Share this post Link to post
Doctor Destiny 41 Posted January 4, 2009 Although Perfect Dark is a cool game, the Union (I TOLD YOU was the UFGD) came way before, therefor Those fantasy whatever were partially based on the Union/Alliance rivalry.... You've been smoking too much pot or watching too much television. Perhaps you should maybe... go the hell outside... and stop living in this delusional, fantasy, warring factions world that doesn't exist. You're like G1089TS a while back. Always claiming these radical ideas and have no proof to back it up. And the Omega Device is what everything is about. And you have no word aginst mine there, because you won't believe it because you think it's crazy. Well guess what! The world just doesn't work your way. The same can be said right back to you! It's a two way street, champ. And the fact you ignored my question entirely is proof in and of itself that you are pulling all of this out of your ass. But in that it was like the plane crashed and dug out a deep hole, if it dug a deep hole there would be a large mangled piece sill there. Do you realize the damage falling chunks of solid objects do to the ground? Yes I understand momentum and impact very well. And if a plane was going in at a steep angle nose first, it doesn't blow up into small pieces and spread around like confetti. That all depends on the design of the craft, which I'm positive you do not understand. You know i am getting tired of you... And we're all sick of your **** too. All of these crazy lies, falsehoods, assumptions and false dichotomies are getting to be a bit bothersome. You CT-fags always take some innocuous, insignificant detail and run with it like it's the ****ing gospel of heavenly truth. If you were a scientist and someone was pointing a gun at your face, telling you what to say, would you say it? Now this is a false metaphor if I've ever seen one. Improper comparison. I will elaborate no further and just say you're a dumb ass. CORRECT! The scientific community knows this, it is seen constantly. Cryptoscience is not real science. What qualifies your arguments as facts? They both have practically the same facts, one is a quick conclusion (as is every crash or destruction), and the other has though, physicists that want to state what can, and many other scientists' facts and conclusions that were brushed away when there was a decided conclusion. You piss and moan about us not having any proof but say you don't need to provide any of your own. Doesn't that sound a little suspect even to you? Surely if you have the proof, you'd present it, right? So if the military or CIA have it, and say they are the antagonists, they could say anything they want, and everyone would believe it. THAT you cannot deny, because there is that much power there that they could do anything they wanted, and no one would stop them. And yet they've released recordings of mobile phone transmissions recorded from all of the flights that went down that day. That is indisputable evidence that you're not just a sack of ****, but you're a liar and very cold-hearted human being. I know people that work at the CFB Comox, which btw is a damn pretty big base. His name is Shawn. They get the intel... And you don't. So you know someone who works there. You don't state what he does, nor his clearance. For all you know, he could be yanking your schwanz with lies. Excellent research, but not quite complete. There are some facts you just can't find on a website that completely go against the terrorist idea. So present these elusive "facts." It didn't matter if the fire systems were off, it could still withstand the heat! And why, why have there been no other 'disabling of the firesafe systems', which brought down a high carbon steel framed building. Huh!? Because it doesn't work! Maybe for a short amount of time but after enough time passes, the integrity weakens and the structure loses its capacity to distribute the load properly. Even a physics novice understands that concept. So that means you're either misinformed, stupid or blindly being led by propaganda spewing dolts. I suspect the latter two. Debunk sites are the worst sources of facts, a debunker is completely against who or what is being debunked. Therefor one sided and careless. Even for a debunk site for the original story, would be way to one sided and not legidimate. And conspiracy fact sites aren't one-sided? Another two way street, champ. I see you couldn't think of anything to say so you just called me an idiot again. Because that is the only way you are going to prove me right or wrong, is if I get a real sample of physical evidence in my mailbox. Right back at ya, champ. Anyone who hopes to know, needs the enlightenment from ones who have understood. If you don't than the only other possibility is you just don't care, and that's it. So what, pray tell, is there to be "understood?" I'd assume nothing since you haven't had a shred of credible evidence supporting any one of your bizarre assertions. Uh, hmm. The building's architect himself supported the conspiracy theory, and so did many other scientists. The ones who were against the conspiracy were the ones at gunpoint, and sworn to secrecy, or death. Incorrect. Only crazy dingbats support this craziness. Then the war shall continue. We're winning the war against stupid, and you make it worse. Hooray. Share this post Link to post
Fiesta 0 Posted January 4, 2009 What qualifies your arguments as facts? They both have practically the same facts, one is a quick conclusion (as is every crash or destruction), and the other has though, physicists that want to state what can, and many other scientists' facts and conclusions that were brushed away when there was a decided conclusion. What are you talking about? Why are you dodging the question AGAIN? So if the military or CIA have it, and say they are the antagonists, they could say anything they want, and everyone would believe it. THAT you cannot deny, because there is that much power there that they could do anything they wanted, and no one would stop them. They don't do whatever they want though, because unlike you, they have both standards and ethics. It's YOUR fault for not trusting them, nobody else's. Says who? But with the pentagon, that doesn't fly. The building is another quite destructible object, and DEFINITELY would not have blown to shrapnel, and still get the stably DNA for testing. I know people that work at the CFB Comox, which btw is a damn pretty big base. His name is Shawn. They get the intel... And you don't. I don't give a damn. You still aren't supporting your arguments with credible information. Excellent research, but not quite complete. There are some facts you just can't find on a website that completely go against the terrorist idea. Superb double-standard. You blindly support EVERYTHING that goes with your theories without even validating them. I validate mine and ensure that conspiracies behind the evidence itself have been rebuked, and that's the difference in this argument. Now you sound like DD's twin... You couldn't make me care less. That would tear it up retard, not blow it apart, the shrapnel was pulled apart, look at the way the edges are, not even remotely looking like tears... So I'm a retard now? Right on the money. Because it seems like you're all alone here in your arguments. Remember, a stronger offense will ALWAYS defeat the best defense. What I'm saying is, you'll lose this eventually. Back to the point; how many commercial airliners have been used as enormous missiles? How many times has a commercial airliner collided with a high-rise building? How are you supposed to know how a colliding aircraft is supposed to behave in that sort of situation? You don't. That's all there is to it. Upon impact, the nose of the aircraft telescoped into the midsection, resulting in total destruction of the forward half. Does THAT make sense? To you, most likely not. It didn't matter if the fire systems were off, it could still withstand the heat! And why, why have there been no other 'disabling of the firesafe systems', which brought down a high carbon steel framed building. Huh!? Because it doesn't work! You had the gall to call me a retard and then post THAT? Wow. Hypocrisy of the highest order. It DOES matter if fire extinguishing sprinklers are disabled because then the fires can burn out of control. Given that firefighters had nearly ZERO water pressure at the time they attempted to fight Tower 7's infernos, and the 6,000 pounds of oil stored in the building, it only makes sense that the support structure would give way since there were already support columns that were severed by the North Tower's collapse, and the fact that there was an ENORMOUS load put on the heavily damaged south face. It DOES work, you're just too involved in your own delusional dream world to know why. Debunk sites are the worst sources of facts, a debunker is completely against who or what is being debunked. Therefor one sided and careless. Even for a debunk site for the original story, would be way to one sided and not legidimate. Again with the double-standard. Where did you get YOUR info besides Zeitgeist? Every result on the first page of a Google search on '9-11 Truth Movement'? YOUR sources are the ones one-sided and careless because they blatantly ignore MOUNTAINS of evidence and talk their way around legitimate questions regarding their conspiracies to construct them. Whereas the debunking side purposefully and fully analyzes the aspects of the conspiracies and then turns to REAL experts that do REAL research for information on whether the conspiracy holds up or not. Do you understand NOW? Or are you just going to ignore how wrong you are, AGAIN? You dumbass, nothing came close, not to mention hit the building. Anyone who say it would say the same thing. You dare call me a dumbass and then claim that nothing hit the building? Are you THAT stupid, THAT blind, THAT oblivious to the evidence that fully supports the debunking side rather than yours? Ha! You just proved how oblivious you are. Those have been made small enough to hold, and the haven't been made by and National military at all! Source? You have none. Yet again. I forgot to start counting, actually, how many times you've refused to cite your sources. They haven't made those small enough to hold by ANYONE. The SMALLEST rail guns, for example, are still the size of MAIN BATTLE TANKS. That's just the firing assembly itself. The power plant required to generate the electromagnetic field is FAR larger. I see you couldn't think of anything to say so you just called me an idiot again. Because that is the only way you are going to prove me right or wrong, is if I get a real sample of physical evidence in my mailbox. You ignored what I quoted. Thus I'm going to ignore your reply. Go back and try again, unless you're afraid of being wrong. Moron. Anyone who hopes to know, needs the enlightenment from ones who have understood. If you don't than the only other possibility is you just don't care, and that's it. So you think you get enlightenment from those who understand? It doesn't help that your sources of "enlightenment" appear to be a mosh pit of heroin-blooded Vietnam veterans. Uh, hmm. The building's architect himself supported the conspiracy theory, and so did many other scientists. The ones who were against the conspiracy were the ones at gunpoint, and sworn to secrecy, or death. You completely ignored what I said, and what DD said. The architect specifically detailed that the Twin Towers were designed to withstand a 707 at CRUISING SPEED, not a relatively GIGANTIC 757/767 going FOUR TIMES FASTER. Stop ignoring this point or just shut up. roflmfao! That, my friend, is fact. It has been proven and studied by psychologists for centuries. Source? Oh, wait. No point in asking because you'll just talk around it again without actually proving your point. Then the war shall continue. Nothing stopped that in the first place. Share this post Link to post
Nmenth 291 Posted January 4, 2009 Someone should play Devil's advocate just to make this a fair fight. Share this post Link to post
sith_wampa 6 Posted January 4, 2009 Someone should play Devil's advocate just to make this a fair fight. If only it were possible in this situation. Share this post Link to post
Mina Synd 0 Posted January 5, 2009 well i'm tempted because i can argue up a storm and give evidence if bothered. but about the only point i can argue on all the stuff said so far is that a smallish rail gun is possible. if we're talking technicalities you can make a rail gun just by lining up a load of magnets and pushing something into it. but it wouldn't be anywhere near the capabilities we see in games. if you really tried, maybe you could make it as powerful as a plastic bb gun (airsoft, spring loaded) but a proper smallish one is possible. however it is still the size of an average dinner table and not very portable. all the rest of my arguments are -against- bly. i love the way every single part of his secret organization is made up of things from other locations... and just cos no-one mentioned it yet; the omega device was the main technological plot device in galaxy quest, which in turn was parodied from star trek. and no doubt there are a good thousand other movies with an "omega device" off the top of my head i can think of two new-age b-movies (one that was primarily a terrorist thing, i think it had dean cain in (new adventures of superman and a zillion b-movies)), and the other one that was some kind of natural disaster type film. only the omega device created the disaster. (two of them. i think one created a black hole and in another film it was like, a weather device or something...) so y'know, if those are really the best things you can come up with... geez... to be honest this sounds more like a viral marketing campaign at a game, book or movie in production. it's been done before, and if this were real there is no way in hell they would let some kid go forth and try to convince others; at least not without SOME kind of half-assed evidence to back it up. you start producing proper evidence and -maybe- you'll get people to at least listen to you. so long as you keep repeating the same things in different ways, you're just gonna keep the flame war going xD Share this post Link to post
Nmenth 291 Posted January 5, 2009 if we're talking technicalities you can make a rail gun just by lining up a load of magnets and pushing something into it. Sounds more like a Gauss gun if you ask me... Share this post Link to post
Mina Synd 0 Posted January 5, 2009 probably is but the theory is pretty similar. a -proper- rail gun is just more high-tech. but yah, that is just the basic principle... either way, we could easily make them. no doubt the various world militaries already have working samples of them. we just won't hear about it publically for a while x3 Share this post Link to post
Nmenth 291 Posted January 5, 2009 a -proper- rail gun is just more high-tech. If it doesn't have two electromagnetic rails, and fire via Lorentz force, it ain't a rail gun. Share this post Link to post
BlyTwo 0 Posted January 6, 2009 (edited) You've been smoking too much pot or watching too much television. Perhaps you should maybe... go the hell outside... and stop living in this delusional, fantasy, warring factions world that doesn't exist. You're like G1089TS a while back. Always claiming these radical ideas and have no proof to back it up. -sigh- The same can be said right back to you! It's a two way street, champ. And the fact you ignored my question entirely is proof in and of itself that you are pulling all of this out of your ass. I did no evade you question, i already answered it before... Do you realize the damage falling chunks of solid objects do to the ground? Ya, no s*** And we're all sick of your **** too. All of these crazy lies, falsehoods, assumptions and false dichotomies are getting to be a bit bothersome. You CT-fags always take some innocuous, insignificant detail and run with it like it's the ****ing gospel of heavenly truth. Now you're just freaking out over the fact that I mentioned something that you think doesn't exist. Now this is a false metaphor if I've ever seen one. Improper comparison. I will elaborate no further and just say you're a dumb ass. Now you're evading my question... Cryptoscience is not real science. And just what the **** is cryptoscience? You piss and moan about us not having any proof but say you don't need to provide any of your own. Doesn't that sound a little suspect even to you? Surely if you have the proof, you'd present it, right? No I was told I was not giving proof, and I went back, you never really gave reliable proof do prove me wrong. In this there aren't even theories to counter it. And yet they've released recordings of mobile phone transmissions recorded from all of the flights that went down that day. That is indisputable evidence that you're not just a sack of ****, but you're a liar and very cold-hearted human being. They were on it the instant the planes were "off course", but I never really looked into it, until recently, I looked up a summary of the situation and caught on in a flash. It all made sense then. So you know someone who works there. You don't state what he does, nor his clearance. For all you know, he could be yanking your schwanz with lies. I don't know exactly what he does, or his rank, but he has to do with some of the intel from the middle east. So present these elusive "facts." I already have... Maybe for a short amount of time but after enough time passes, the integrity weakens and the structure loses its capacity to distribute the load properly. Even a physics novice understands that concept. So that means you're either misinformed, stupid or blindly being led by propaganda spewing dolts. I suspect the latter two. For all you know I could be, and for all I know you could be also... And conspiracy fact sites aren't one-sided? Another two way street, champ. The 'common theory' debunkers are just as biased as conspiracy theory debukners. Conspiracy fact sites, usually led by paranoid retards, but some are legit and serious, they are trying to tell people what happened, and people don't believe it because of what the TV says... Right back at ya, champ. You should put that on a tape so it will say "champ" or "idiot" when you press play. And no, i actually post an answer, not just the cop out: idiot... Incorrect. Only crazy dingbats support this craziness. Ahaha... What comedic genius... We're winning the war against stupid, and you make it worse. Hooray. The war in this topic, against you... What are you talking about? Your asshole... Why are you dodging the question AGAIN? I dodge because I have a better, more fit question that no one has yet to answer... They don't do whatever they want though, because unlike you, they have both standards and ethics. It's YOUR fault for not trusting them, nobody else's. Standards!? Like HELL! I don't give a damn. You still aren't supporting your arguments with credible information. It is close to the same damn information you got! Just they tweak it a little to fit their argument, and therefor yours. You couldn't make me care less. You probably have absolutely no clue what the hell you are talking about, you are just copying and restating what DD would or has said... So I'm a retard now? Right on the money. Because it seems like you're all alone here in your arguments. Remember, a stronger offense will ALWAYS defeat the best defense. What I'm saying is, you'll lose this eventually. Back to the point; how many commercial airliners have been used as enormous missiles? How many times has a commercial airliner collided with a high-rise building? How are you supposed to know how a colliding aircraft is supposed to behave in that sort of situation? You don't. That's all there is to it. Upon impact, the nose of the aircraft telescoped into the midsection, resulting in total destruction of the forward half. Does THAT make sense? To you, most likely not. But the smarter defense and/or attack will always pass way over anything else, that, is very important for everyone to know, and is why the UFGD and ARGO do so successfully. Planes are used as missiles in the military. Because the architect built it to withstand a plane that size, no, multiple. And that was done by simple math: The speed determines the multiplier of the force of the impact according to it's weight. And the strength of that specific alloy has been tested and known for years... And as for the plane hitting the ground, the plane is designed to be left in mostly one piece, so survivors can get out, and so the cleanup isn't a retarded job. You had the gall to call me a retard and then post THAT? Wow. Hypocrisy of the highest order. It DOES matter if fire extinguishing sprinklers are disabled because then the fires can burn out of control. Given that firefighters had nearly ZERO water pressure at the time they attempted to fight Tower 7's infernos, and the 6,000 pounds of oil stored in the building, it only makes sense that the support structure would give way since there were already support columns that were severed by the North Tower's collapse, and the fact that there was an ENORMOUS load put on the heavily damaged south face. It DOES work, you're just too involved in your own delusional dream world to know why. It does matter, but it doesn't make a difference of whether the building collapsed. But you all still miss the explosions that went down the building, ALL with an exact time between each, all the same, evenly down. Demolition specialists have looked over the videos and the wreckage over and over, it was a demolition. Also, like I have said before, a perfect 45° angle was cut in the standing frame. And don't tell me again that it was the pancake effect, because there would still be a central section standing, but no, there was nothing but dust, twisted metal, perfectly cut poles, melted steel, and thermite. Again with the double-standard. Where did you get YOUR info besides Zeitgeist? Every result on the first page of a Google search on '9-11 Truth Movement'? YOUR sources are the ones one-sided and careless because they blatantly ignore MOUNTAINS of evidence and talk their way around legitimate questions regarding their conspiracies to construct them. Whereas the debunking side purposefully and fully analyzes the aspects of the conspiracies and then turns to REAL experts that do REAL research for information on whether the conspiracy holds up or not. Do you understand NOW? Or are you just going to ignore how wrong you are, AGAIN? Zeitgeist was the ***ing start to my ideas you deaf asshole! You dare call me a dumbass and then claim that nothing hit the building? Are you THAT stupid, THAT blind, THAT oblivious to the evidence that fully supports the debunking side rather than yours? Just watch the gorram videos! All of them, ALL! Source? You have none. Yet again. I forgot to start counting, actually, how many times you've refused to cite your sources. They haven't made those small enough to hold by ANYONE. The SMALLEST rail guns, for example, are still the size of MAIN BATTLE TANKS. That's just the firing assembly itself. The power plant required to generate the electromagnetic field is FAR larger. Aha, you use electro-magnetism to charge electromagnetism. And of course that won't make sense to you... And the ones the size of these said MAIN BATTLE TANKS are the ones made BY the military. The technology is kept so low down because of the secret operation in area 51 that keeps all the tech flowing to the UFGD and ARGO, and not the 'modern military'. Or else either us, or ARGO will blow that little encampment to dust, and claim the tech from the military ourselves. You ignored what I quoted. Thus I'm going to ignore your reply. Go back and try again, unless you're afraid of being wrong. Moron. No i didn't, not replying exactly towards a quote isn't ignoring it. Or is your brain so dis-functional that you cannot interpret anything that does not perfectly fit. So you think you get enlightenment from those who understand? It doesn't help that your sources of "enlightenment" appear to be a mosh pit of heroin-blooded Vietnam veterans. You barely read what I say. I said that you need seek to get enlightenment from a far more intelligent entity than yourself! Get the wisdom from the same kung-fu master. You completely ignored what I said, and what DD said. The architect specifically detailed that the Twin Towers were designed to withstand a 707 at CRUISING SPEED, not a relatively GIGANTIC 757/767 going FOUR TIMES FASTER. Stop ignoring this point or just shut up. Fine. But what I ask is for you to give me the interview on the architect then. THE VIDEO, NOT TYPED OUT! Source? Oh, wait. No point in asking because you'll just talk around it again without actually proving your point. That is one of those things that don't need a source, because it is common fact, psychology, maybe not thought psychology, because they won't teach you that you are incapable thinking anything other than what is taught by the ones you think should be teaching you... You need to learn how to look at your own personality, know yourself more than people know you. Nothing stopped that in the first place. I guess nothing did. if we're talking technicalities you can make a rail gun just by lining up a load of magnets and pushing something into it. but it wouldn't be anywhere near the capabilities we see in games. if you really tried, maybe you could make it as powerful as a plastic bb gun (airsoft, spring loaded) The C&C railgun is not a railgun, it is a beam-like weapon that can shoot though objects, and is labeled a railgun. And it isn't quite as simple as lining up magnets. and just cos no-one mentioned it yet; the omega device was the main technological plot device in galaxy quest, which in turn was parodied from star trek. and no doubt there are a good thousand other movies with an "omega device" off the top of my head i can think of two new-age b-movies (one that was primarily a terrorist thing, i think it had dean cain in (new adventures of superman and a zillion b-movies)), and the other one that was some kind of natural disaster type film. only the omega device created the disaster. (two of them. i think one created a black hole and in another film it was like, a weather device or something...) That was the Omega 13 in Galaxy Quest. Omega Device is an unimaginative name that we gave it before we knew what it was. so y'know, if those are really the best things you can come up with... geez... to be honest this sounds more like a viral marketing campaign at a game, book or movie in production. it's been done before, and if this were real there is no way in hell they would let some kid go forth and try to convince others; at least not without SOME kind of half-assed evidence to back it up. Would work well as a TV series or a book/series, but no. you start producing proper evidence and -maybe- you'll get people to at least listen to you. so long as you keep repeating the same things in different ways, you're just gonna keep the flame war going xD I will not supply any evidence for at lease 3 years, and then, only then will it be even considered in the Council of Planets. It is decided amung the United Forces of Global Defense, the United Colonial Navy (UFGD Colonial watch subfaction.), and the United Council of Xion. Sounds more like a Gauss gun if you ask me... No. You know less about military than you say you do. Gauss is only explosive bullet-like projectiles, like Vulcan. probably is but the theory is pretty similar. a -proper- rail gun is just more high-tech. but yah, that is just the basic principle... either way, we could easily make them. no doubt the various world militaries already have working samples of them. we just won't hear about it publically for a while x3 Only because we allow them. We have only recently let them begin on their railgun research and the common possible start to the principle of hypedrive - reference to LHC, because we believe that the world is at the point where the it is ready to safely begin such experiments. Edited January 6, 2009 by BlyTwo Share this post Link to post
Nmenth 291 Posted January 6, 2009 The C&C railgun is not a railgun, it is a beam-like weapon that can shoot though objects, and is labeled a railgun. Yes it is. Not a realistic one, undeniably, but it is not a beam weapon. The TS/FS rail gun uses the same design as used in the movie Eraser (I am not sure if this was their influence, but I believe it is). The Renegade weapon is definitely a rail gun, you can hear Nod soldiers discussing it during one of the missions, describing the rail gun principle rather well. No. You know less about military than you say you do. Gauss is only explosive bullet-like projectiles, like Vulcan. No it is not. A Gauss gun is another type of electromagnetically driven weapon, also called coil gun as it uses lined up electromagnets (which are coils). It is named after Carl Friedrich Gauss, mathematician and scientist who significantly contributed to electrostatics among many other fields. I assure you, I do know as much about military as I say I do. However, it might be best to clarify just how much I say I know since I don't really recall ever giving an amount of knowledge on military I claim to have. I research weapons mostly, I am rather familiar with armor, I know some about vehicles and aircraft, I do not know very much about logistics. I have not served in the military, so I do not have first-hand experience, however my father and grandfather have. If I am talking about a weapon, you can bet your tiny brain I know what I am talking about. Share this post Link to post
Fiesta 0 Posted January 6, 2009 (edited) You're proving yourself less and less credible with each post. Eventually you're going to give out. Your asshole... That's fun. I dodge because I have a better, more fit question that no one has yet to answer... No, you dodge because you have no proof, no answer, no nothing. Start providing credible, legitimate, unbiased proof or your image will continue to deteriorate. Standards!? Like HELL! You have an unwarranted bias against them, as further evident from that comment. It is close to the same damn information you got! Just they tweak it a little to fit their argument, and therefor yours. Pointless paranoid nonsense. You probably have absolutely no clue what the hell you are talking about, you are just copying and restating what DD would or has said... I'm what now? I knew you were paranoid but that's just ridiculous. But the smarter defense and/or attack will always pass way over anything else, that, is very important for everyone to know, and is why the UFGD and ARGO do so successfully. Planes are used as missiles in the military. Because the architect built it to withstand a plane that size, no, multiple. And that was done by simple math: The speed determines the multiplier of the force of the impact according to it's weight. And the strength of that specific alloy has been tested and known for years... And as for the plane hitting the ground, the plane is designed to be left in mostly one piece, so survivors can get out, and so the cleanup isn't a retarded job. Once again you have zero proof aside from your non-existent organizations. You have NO links to ANY external sources, much less any unbiased ones worth their credit. It does matter, but it doesn't make a difference of whether the building collapsed. But you all still miss the explosions that went down the building, ALL with an exact time between each, all the same, evenly down. Demolition specialists have looked over the videos and the wreckage over and over, it was a demolition. Also, like I have said before, a perfect 45° angle was cut in the standing frame. And don't tell me again that it was the pancake effect, because there would still be a central section standing, but no, there was nothing but dust, twisted metal, perfectly cut poles, melted steel, and thermite. What explosions? You mean those itty bitty little puffs of compressed air and debris that were forced out of the sky lobbies? You moron. Where were the TONS of det cord, copper backing, shock tubes, etc. left behind in the rubble, as well as the audible-for-many-miles "POP!"s that ALWAYS accompany REAL controlled demolitions? Where was the aluminum oxide and barium nitrate ALWAYS found succeeding thermite/thermate reactions? You've dodged these questions before, NO MORE. ANSWER. The perimeter columns WERE left standing for several seconds during the collapses, you just never bothered watching the videos I linked to that clearly outlined this fact. The angled cuts were performed AFTER the collapses to assist in debris removal. Zeitgeist was the ***ing start to my ideas you deaf asshole! That wasn't my point, you blind asshole! Just watch the gorram videos! All of them, ALL! How about.......... no. Not until you find NON-CONSPIRACY sites to support your claims, AND you provide valid links to them. Aha, you use electro-magnetism to charge electromagnetism. And of course that won't make sense to you... And the ones the size of these said MAIN BATTLE TANKS are the ones made BY the military. The technology is kept so low down because of the secret operation in area 51 that keeps all the tech flowing to the UFGD and ARGO, and not the 'modern military'. Or else either us, or ARGO will blow that little encampment to dust, and claim the tech from the military ourselves. Put down the Kool-Aid and try again. You of all people wouldn't know a DAMN BIT about what was going on at Area 51, so stop pretending you do. Electromagnetism is NOT necessarily a naturally-occurring phenomenon, it's an on-off effect and the electricity to generate the field HAS to come from SOMEWHERE. To generate the electromagnetic field necessary to fire a projectile at over Mach 5 as the military does, you NEED a HUGE powerplant and VERY large, VERY powerful electromagnets. Guess where you're supposed to put it all? Not in your hands, much less on your back. No i didn't, not replying exactly towards a quote isn't ignoring it. Or is your brain so dis-functional that you cannot interpret anything that does not perfectly fit. Admission of lying. Go back and read through what I quoted, and don't reply to this until you do. Excellent double-standard, again, by the way. You claim that I can't interpret anything that does not fit yet you continue to blindly support baseless inside job demolitions theories that make ZERO sense, and you CONTINUE to lack legitimate, credible support for them. You barely read what I say. I said that you need seek to get enlightenment from a far more intelligent entity than yourself! Get the wisdom from the same kung-fu master. The same master as who? You? Would this "master" happen to have 12 counts of manufacturing on his rap sheet? Fine. But what I ask is for you to give me the interview on the architect then. THE VIDEO, NOT TYPED OUT! You have NO proof that ANYBODY that worked on the Trade Center claimed it was supposed to withstand several large airliners that DID NOT EXIST when the towers were built. THIS, however, came from literally 5 seconds of Google searching. It's not the architect himself but the construction manager should be more than enough to discredit your outlandish bull****. That is one of those things that don't need a source, because it is common fact, psychology, maybe not thought psychology, because they won't teach you that you are incapable thinking anything other than what is taught by the ones you think should be teaching you... You need to learn how to look at your own personality, know yourself more than people know you. My post was exactly right, looking at your reply. Source or stop talking. I guess nothing did. Nope. I will not supply any evidence for at lease 3 years, and then, only then will it be even considered in the Council of Planets. It is decided amung the United Forces of Global Defense, the United Colonial Navy (UFGD Colonial watch subfaction.), and the United Council of Xion. What. The. ****. Who let you out of your cage and stopped giving you the correct medication? Does the mental hospital know their biggest experiment escaped onto the internet? How many different plants did you powder and snort before you posted that? Do you know how pissed the pot-heads of the world are going to be when they find out you invented 4/20? Edited January 6, 2009 by Fiesta Share this post Link to post
Doctor Destiny 41 Posted January 6, 2009 -sigh- You know I'm right. Don't try to fool yourself. I did no evade you question, i already answered it before... Then you could answer it again. Since you didn't, you're still lazy, you have no proof they even exist and dating them to medieval times makes it a further lie. Ya, no s*** Then stop being a retard. Now you're just freaking out over the fact that I mentioned something that you think doesn't exist. It doesn't exist because it doesn't exist. And just what the **** is cryptoscience? The study of **** that doesn't exist. No I was told I was not giving proof, and I went back, you never really gave reliable proof do prove me wrong. In this there aren't even theories to counter it. You've not provided a single shred of proof for any of your bizarre assertions. Simply saying it doesn't make your insanity fact. If these factions do exist, they're playing you for a ****ing chump, which you are. They were on it the instant the planes were "off course", but I never really looked into it, until recently, I looked up a summary of the situation and caught on in a flash. It all made sense then. It didn't make sense then. You're still so wrong that it's amazing. I don't know exactly what he does, or his rank, but he has to do with some of the intel from the middle east. If I want that, I ask my buddies in the Army. Who are there. And not behind some pussy desk. In Canada. I already have... No you haven't. Wiki links aside, you haven't posted anything remotely credible. For all you know I could be, and for all I know you could be also... I'm not but I know you are. The 'common theory' debunkers are just as biased as conspiracy theory debukners. Conspiracy fact sites, usually led by paranoid retards, but some are legit and serious, they are trying to tell people what happened, and people don't believe it because of what the TV says... HOLY ****ING ****! You're dense. Debunkers often understand your point of view better than you do. Definitely gave Fiesta and I the upper hand when destroying your conspiracy bull**** about the 9/11 Attack. You should put that on a tape so it will say "champ" or "idiot" when you press play. And no, i actually post an answer, not just the cop out: idiot... You post answers, I'll give you that. They're completely idiotic but whatever. Ahaha... What comedic genius... I wasn't trying to be funny. The war in this topic, against you... You're losing. Hard. Your asshole... Idiot. I dodge because I have a better, more fit question that no one has yet to answer... No. You dodge because you have no answers. Standards!? Like HELL! As if you have standards. You blindly and blissfully play into anyone who doesn't agree with authority figures. You're a sheep, but only of a different breed. It is close to the same damn information you got! Just they tweak it a little to fit their argument, and therefor yours. Incorrect. That's what you do. You probably have absolutely no clue what the hell you are talking about, you are just copying and restating what DD would or has said... I often wonder if you realize how stupid you look. I bet not since you actually believe your own bull****. But the smarter defense and/or attack will always pass way over anything else, that, is very important for everyone to know, and is why the UFGD and ARGO do so successfully. Planes are used as missiles in the military. Because the architect built it to withstand a plane that size, no, multiple. And that was done by simple math: The speed determines the multiplier of the force of the impact according to it's weight. And the strength of that specific alloy has been tested and known for years... And as for the plane hitting the ground, the plane is designed to be left in mostly one piece, so survivors can get out, and so the cleanup isn't a retarded job. Planes, under normal malfunction scenarios, are described to work exactly as you believe. However, they're not designed to be flown into a building at five hundred ****ing miles an hour. USAir Flight 427 - http://www.sptimes.com/28-seconds/graphics-day1/impact.jpg Pieces everywhere and that's not even being jacked. And the way it crashed? A nose dive just like United Airlines Flight 93. It does matter, but it doesn't make a difference of whether the building collapsed. But you all still miss the explosions that went down the building, ALL with an exact time between each, all the same, evenly down. Demolition specialists have looked over the videos and the wreckage over and over, it was a demolition. Also, like I have said before, a perfect 45° angle was cut in the standing frame. And don't tell me again that it was the pancake effect, because there would still be a central section standing, but no, there was nothing but dust, twisted metal, perfectly cut poles, melted steel, and thermite. Are we going through this AGAIN? - It was a pancake collapse. - The tufts of smoke is the building releasing pressure and spewing small pieces of debris out. - The load weakened on the outer supports so they went down with it. - There was no evidence that any demolitions objects were found. You are unable to deny this since civilians were at the site FIRST. - The angled cuts came from cutting the beams after the crash to clear rubble. - There was NO THERMITE. Zeitgeist was the ***ing start to my ideas you deaf asshole! And we all know how credible that is. Just watch the gorram videos! All of them, ALL! Find a credible source, kthx. Aha, you use electro-magnetism to charge electromagnetism. And of course that won't make sense to you... And the ones the size of these said MAIN BATTLE TANKS are the ones made BY the military. The technology is kept so low down because of the secret operation in area 51 that keeps all the tech flowing to the UFGD and ARGO, and not the 'modern military'. Or else either us, or ARGO will blow that little encampment to dust, and claim the tech from the military ourselves. Fiesta handled this one rather well. No i didn't, not replying exactly towards a quote isn't ignoring it. Or is your brain so dis-functional that you cannot interpret anything that does not perfectly fit. Oh I'm sorry? We're you trying to make a point again? I wasn't listening to your drivel. You barely read what I say. I said that you need seek to get enlightenment from a far more intelligent entity than yourself! Get the wisdom from the same kung-fu master. You couldn't be any stupider if you tried. Though now, you will inevitably prove me wrong. Again. Fine. But what I ask is for you to give me the interview on the architect then. THE VIDEO, NOT TYPED OUT! Fine, do it. You'll just cry when he doesn't concede to your bizarre point of view. That is one of those things that don't need a source, because it is common fact, psychology, maybe not thought psychology, because they won't teach you that you are incapable thinking anything other than what is taught by the ones you think should be teaching you... You need to learn how to look at your own personality, know yourself more than people know you. Then in that case, nothing I say needs a source either because it's just common fact. Stop talking around everything and provide a REAL source. I guess nothing did. Nothing gets by you, does it, champ? That was the Omega 13 in Galaxy Quest. Omega Device is an unimaginative name that we gave it before we knew what it was. Pics or it didn't happen. The teaser image from Mental Omega doesn't count. Would work well as a TV series or a book/series, but no. As if you have the insider scoop no one else has. If it runs as deep as you says, someone else would have said something about it before you. You're not the answer man, you're not a guru, you're not a sage. You're a ****ing hallucinogenic shrooming, easily misled douche. I will not supply any evidence for at lease 3 years, and then, only then will it be even considered in the Council of Planets. It is decided amung the United Forces of Global Defense, the United Colonial Navy (UFGD Colonial watch subfaction.), and the United Council of Xion. Proof of lies. That's all we needed to really solidify that you're a full-blown, twelve cylinder wackjob. Share this post Link to post
sith_wampa 6 Posted January 7, 2009 Don't quit now, Bly. These guys are really funny and it would be a damn shame for you to stop giving them things to joke about. Share this post Link to post
Fiesta 0 Posted January 7, 2009 Don't quit now, Bly. These guys are really funny and it would be a damn shame for you to stop giving them things to joke about. Why say that when you can participate? Share this post Link to post
sith_wampa 6 Posted January 7, 2009 Why say that when you can participate? It's not worth my time to repeat everything the two of you say. You guys do a good job anyway. Share this post Link to post
BioBen 3 Posted January 7, 2009 I will not supply any evidence for at lease 3 years, and then, only then will it be even considered in the Council of Planets. It is decided amung the United Forces of Global Defense, the United Colonial Navy (UFGD Colonial watch subfaction.), and the United Council of Xion. I lol'd. Quite alot. Keep it up Bly, this thread features quite the lulz Share this post Link to post
Duke 0 Posted January 7, 2009 Aye. I never thought it was possible to try your damnedest to fake intellect whilst managing to oust many *professional* comedians in one fell sweep! Share this post Link to post
BlyTwo 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Yes it is. Not a realistic one, undeniably, but it is not a beam weapon. The TS/FS rail gun uses the same design as used in the movie Eraser (I am not sure if this was their influence, but I believe it is). The Renegade weapon is definitely a rail gun, you can hear Nod soldiers discussing it during one of the missions, describing the rail gun principle rather well. Uh, it was even in the code, the centre red coloured line? You don't see it? The code says BEAM COLOR. And in renegade the railgun used the exact same sprite as the laser rifle and chaingun. No it is not. A Gauss gun is another type of electromagnetically driven weapon, also called coil gun as it uses lined up electromagnets (which are coils). It is named after Carl Friedrich Gauss, mathematician and scientist who significantly contributed to electrostatics among many other fields. I assure you, I do know as much about military as I say I do. However, it might be best to clarify just how much I say I know since I don't really recall ever giving an amount of knowledge on military I claim to have. I research weapons mostly, I am rather familiar with armor, I know some about vehicles and aircraft, I do not know very much about logistics. I have not served in the military, so I do not have first-hand experience, however my father and grandfather have. If I am talking about a weapon, you can bet your tiny brain I know what I am talking about. It usually is presented with an explosive shell. It is used for standard heavy weapons in the UFGD, I was sure it was referring to the explosive shell... You're proving yourself less and less credible with each post. Eventually you're going to give out. I will not give out, unless my side mission is a complete failure... I don't think it has quite come to that yet. No, you dodge because you have no proof, no answer, no nothing. Start providing credible, legitimate, unbiased proof or your image will continue to deteriorate. Stop acting like a psychic that can read my mind, because you can't. Pointless paranoid nonsense. I am not even remotely paranoid... Once again you have zero proof aside from your non-existent organizations. You have NO links to ANY external sources, much less any unbiased ones worth their credit. I don't give any internet sources, because the net is an entirely unreliable source for information. What explosions? You mean those itty bitty little puffs of compressed air and debris that were forced out of the sky lobbies? You moron. Where were the TONS of det cord, copper backing, shock tubes, etc. left behind in the rubble, as well as the audible-for-many-miles "POP!"s that ALWAYS accompany REAL controlled demolitions? Where was the aluminum oxide and barium nitrate ALWAYS found succeeding thermite/thermate reactions? You've dodged these questions before, NO MORE. ANSWER. The perimeter columns WERE left standing for several seconds during the collapses, you just never bothered watching the videos I linked to that clearly outlined this fact. The angled cuts were performed AFTER the collapses to assist in debris removal. A compilation of actual news footage, BEFORE IT WAS SILENCED asshole! It's the word of the day! How about.......... no. Not until you find NON-CONSPIRACY sites to support your claims, AND you provide valid links to them. Then you find NON-ANTI-CONSPIRACY sites... Put down the Kool-Aid and try again. You of all people wouldn't know a DAMN BIT about what was going on at Area 51, so stop pretending you do. Electromagnetism is NOT necessarily a naturally-occurring phenomenon, it's an on-off effect and the electricity to generate the field HAS to come from SOMEWHERE. To generate the electromagnetic field necessary to fire a projectile at over Mach 5 as the military does, you NEED a HUGE powerplant and VERY large, VERY powerful electromagnets. Guess where you're supposed to put it all? Not in your hands, much less on your back. What about Kool-Aid? You know that stuff tastes bad, and is extremely unhealthy for you... Ya, I do. It is our ticket to keeping our existence a secret... Until recently, where we must begin to reveal ourselves, so we will be ready for what the Device opens. My post was exactly right, looking at your reply. Source or stop talking. I don't even take psychology, and I know it. I don't need to give a damn source for something that is seen around you every day. Who let you out of your cage and stopped giving you the correct medication? Does the mental hospital know their biggest experiment escaped onto the internet? How many different plants did you powder and snort before you posted that? Do you know how pissed the pot-heads of the world are going to be when they find out you invented 4/20? I hardly know what 4/20 is. So instead of thinking about what I said, you only take 2 seconds of thought and call me a psychotic dope-sucker. You know I'm right. Don't try to fool yourself. That was a "How unfortunate to be in your position" sigh. Then you could answer it again. Since you didn't, you're still lazy, you have no proof they even exist and dating them to medieval times makes it a further lie. So me not wanting to be your fetch-boy makes what I say a lie? Then stop being a retard. Stop wasting everyone's time with worthless insults. I mean come on! If you're gonna insult me, come up with something good! Crap, man. It doesn't exist because it doesn't exist. It doesn't exist because it doesn't exist because it isn't normal. The study of **** that doesn't exist. Didn't have to make it a big anger explosion... You've not provided a single shred of proof for any of your bizarre assertions. Simply saying it doesn't make your insanity fact. If these factions do exist, they're playing you for a ****ing chump, which you are. 'Bizarre' -so was the idea that the earth was round, and that the earth wasn't the centre of the universe. Everyone thought they were insane, and they would have murdered them because of it. And you won't listed because it isn't normal -meaning what is usually in occurrence. I see it everywhere, 'if it ain't on the tele, or in the paper in just ain't true'. It didn't make sense then. You're still so wrong that it's amazing. You cannot tell me what makes sense. So don't. Tell me what you say as opinion, even of most people on earth, I don't care, just stop constantly telling me I am either stupid or mental. Because you don't know for sure what really happens, you may say you do, but you just don't. You can't read the future, (besides déjà vu), and you can't read minds. If I want that, I ask my buddies in the Army. Who are there. And not behind some pussy desk. In Canada. He is not one of those office workers that sit around all day at a desk, he goes there fairly often. No you haven't. Wiki links aside, you haven't posted anything remotely credible. Wikipedia is a pile of information put there by people that want to put information there. People that browse the internet go there and put in information, edit it, and add to it, because they want to put it there for other people to know, it gets checked by the Wikipedia staff for language, spelling grammar etc. that's it. I'm not but I know you are. And you tell me I'm one sided... HOLY ****ING ****! You're dense. Debunkers often understand your point of view better than you do. Definitely gave Fiesta and I the upper hand when destroying your conspiracy bull**** about the 9/11 Attack. ****ing **** ****, ****edy. Could you say that any more? You're losing. Hard. I am not being shoved back, I am only hitting a brick wall, that I will hopefully soon pass. Idiot. It was an ineffective joke apparently... No. You dodge because you have no answers. No answers you will accept. I often wonder if you realize how stupid you look. I bet not since you actually believe your own bull****. How about how stupid you are? USAir Flight 427 - http://www.sptimes.com/28-seconds/graphics-day1/impact.jpg Pieces everywhere and that's not even being jacked. And the way it crashed? A nose dive just like United Airlines Flight 93. That still looked like a pile of rubble. Not a scorched hole. Are we going through this AGAIN? - It was a pancake collapse. - The tufts of smoke is the building releasing pressure and spewing small pieces of debris out. - The load weakened on the outer supports so they went down with it. - There was no evidence that any demolitions objects were found. You are unable to deny this since civilians were at the site FIRST. - The angled cuts came from cutting the beams after the crash to clear rubble. - There was NO THERMITE. Were you there? Do you know all of the signs of them? Ground zero was closed down, they could have confiscated. You couldn't be any stupider if you tried. Though now, you will inevitably prove me wrong. Again. Because we all know stupider is an intelligent word... Fine, do it. You'll just cry when he doesn't concede to your bizarre point of view. Bizarre, maybe. Being abnormal makes it false? Not even remotely. Then in that case, nothing I say needs a source either because it's just common fact. Stop talking around everything and provide a REAL source. There is a difference between psychology, and what happened on 9/11. Nothing gets by you, does it, champ? Nothing incorrect does. As if you have the insider scoop no one else has. If it runs as deep as you says, someone else would have said something about it before you. You're not the answer man, you're not a guru, you're not a sage. You're a ****ing hallucinogenic shrooming, easily misled douche. I already said, there are others. One of which I am close to, Laura, but she has nothing to do with this forum. 'someone else would have said something about it before you' you would say the same to anyone else. I am trying to tell you this, because it is my job, i chose a place where people aren't complete retards, i found that place, here, but you all just shove it back in my face... Proof of lies. That's all we needed to really solidify that you're a full-blown, twelve cylinder wackjob. Just wasting my time. Don't quit now, Bly. These guys are really funny and it would be a damn shame for you to stop giving them things to joke about. They aren't funny, they are asshole sometimes, maybe a bit more than sometimes. I lol'd. Quite alot. Keep it up Bly, this thread features quite the lulz The purpose is not humor. Aye. I never thought it was possible to try your damnedest to fake intellect whilst managing to oust many *professional* comedians in one fell sweep! Oh p*ss off! PLEASE! Share this post Link to post
