Conspiracy!

[BlyTwo 0]

It's not simple minded patriotism to disprove your inane theories. Your conclusion is illogical at its very core. You have nary a shred of evidence to support your claim that cannot be refuted with common sense or the real physical evidence.

 

And now I know, without a shred of doubt, you're entirely full of it. You completely ignored everything I said that was contrary to your opinion and then just say I'm a blind patriot. You, sir, are the worst kind of idiot.

ugh... I don't have your proof... I don't listen to anything that comes on that damn TV

and apparently someone hates me for possibly knowing something that might go against his country...

 

There is no use us looking for reliable evidence that he cannot show us, because it doesn't exist. He seems to think that his media must be more reliable than what he refers to as "mass media". Just because someone decides to set a website up does not mean that it is a reliable source. I could put up a website that says I am the heir to the English Throne and claim that I have done all sorts of research to prove it. It doesn't make it any more truthful.

>ERROR! DOES NOT COMPUTE!

It does exist, I just don't want to have to look up every last fact again, give you excerpts and proof links...

They did a good job of covering it up, i will admit that, but some people can just see through the curtain...

And the media is controlled by whoever is behind that curtain; put a bad man behind the curtain, now you got bad propaganda,, put a good man behind that curtain right after the bad man, and you got someone that is trying to help you redeem your individuality.

It seems that the only things you will listen to is the word of Bush and/or maybe Albert Einstein...

 

You have constantly, ignorantly and blatantly screamed FACTS at all this stuff you're saying and have stated on more than one occasion that you have RESEARCHED.

Ignorant . . . ?

 

 

FINE I will re-research it all ****ing again...

It will take weeks though...

But why can't anyone simply see reason???

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I doubt anyone knows what that says...

Edited November 24, 2008 by BlyTwo

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Death

 

The Union is where the true power lies...

...and where salvation dwells.

 

Its not hard to get a translator.

[Doctor Destiny 41]

But why can't anyone simply see reason???

That is indisputable proof that you're a blithering fool. You say you have research but "need time to find it all again." I suspect that's code for I need to find that obscure Tripod site again, or it's your roundabout way of saying that you have no evidence supporting your theory. Anything you find can be refuted.

 

Also, go do me a favor - go watch a real controlled demolition. The explosives used in a real one are so deafeningly loud that they overpower helicopter rotors, and that's from the experts inside the helicopter. Name one instance on the WTC that something deafeningly loud was used, other than the massive airliners.

 

Not to mention, something of this scale would require planning like no other. And in order to plant explosives, it would have to have done beforehand. Well, it's a fact that bomb sniffing dogs were inside the WTC Towers 1 and 2 prior to the attacks and they'd miss thermite among the buildings? That's ridiculous. Besides, where is all the leftover forensic evidence that bombs were used? Where's a detonating cord?

 

The teams it would require to plant bombs would be astronomical. Surely someone would have noticed men carrying large amounts of explosives, detonating cords and pins, construction materials and them entering the building. It's not as a simple as planting as concealing a bomb in an air duct. No, it requires hours of manpower and labor to plant these devices on the beams. So you're saying that these teams tore up the building, planted devices and then put it back together so precisely that no one would notice, not even bomb sniffing dogs?

 

Now for the molten metal routine. Jet fuel, and the additional heat produced from burning equipment and office supplies, was not enough to melt the steel. HOWEVER, it was enough to cause the steel frame to lose integrity and strength. But you must keep in mind that steel was not the only metal present in that building. There were many floors and there would have been piping, office equipment and various other things made out of much lighter metals that would indeed melt. And in case you didn't know, the molten metal found at the WTC rubble site was aluminum. From the planes.

 

And you wanted to say there 45 degree cuts. Yeah, after the towers collapsed and they were cutting beams to clear rubble and attempting to locate survivors. Not to mention, an explosive device will never make a perfect, clean cut through anything, especially not ones large enough to bring down WTC Towers 1 and 2. In fact, the metal would look splattered and have gunpowder residue present. None was ever found.

 

And then you try to call WTC7 as demolition. Also very false. WTC 7 suffered the same fate as Towers 1 and 2. Falling debris from 1 and 2 caused damage to the structure and then fires broke out on its interior. It burned inside for several hours, the metal frame weakening the entire time. Then kinks formed in the penthouses on the top floors and those gave way under the increased load and inability to distribute it properly, and it came tumbling down, just like Towers 1 and 2.

 

In conclusion, there were no explosives used in the WTC attacks. The very idea is patently ridiculous and absurd.

[Fiesta 0]

BlyTwo (and those that side with him), go watch the videos on this subject from this user. Maybe you'll come to your senses since people like you LOVE using YouTube videos for your so-called "research".

 

To re-cap on what was said before (while adding my own points to them):

 

1. There was no rapid succession of flashes and "POP!"s associated with explosives that are always clearly seen and heard for miles around, and no blasting caps, det cord, copper backing, shock tubes, etc., materials ALWAYS found in large amounts after REAL controlled demolitions, were found by ANYONE.

 

2. The absence of barium nitrate and aluminum oxide in the debris disprove the use of both thermite and thermate, as both are by-products of thermite and thermate reactions and would have been found in HUGE amounts during cleanup.

 

3. (Related to 2.) The "molten metal" seen in videos dribbling out of the hottest-burning corner of the south tower was molten aluminum, resulting from a floor collapsing and releasing a large amount of molten aluminum that had pooled on the floor before it collapsed. This came from the fires melting the aluminum debris from the aircraft, the remains of which ended up in the same corner with the majority of office equipment and such that allowed the temperatures in that corner to rise quickly. Note that aluminum melts at a much lower temperature than steel.

 

4. (Related to 3. somewhat) Steel loses HALF of its strength at a point between 600 and 650 degrees Celsius (exact numbers depend on who you ask and where you look), and that NOBODY said the steel melted but you conspiracy ass-mongers. The fires burned even hotter than the point at which steel loses half its strength. Floor trusses sagged, pulling perimeter columns inward and eventually causing the collapses.

 

5. The towers were made to sustain an impact from a 707 at cruising speed (about 180MPH), NOT an enormous 757/767 going over 500MPH. The impacts severely damaged many perimeter and core columns and blew off fireproofing and cut off water supply to extinguishing sprinklers, so fires were able to spread uncontrolled.

 

6. You ARE the one that has to prove YOUR arguments because you're the one that originally challenged the evidence provided by FEMA, the NIST, and the 9/11 Commission.

 

7. If the government has/had something to hide, not only would there not be any reports released on the tower collapses (in fact just last week the NIST released its final report on Tower 7's collapse, try reading it sometime), but all the videos and websites claiming that an inside job took place would have been taken down to further the conspiracy. In other words, the very fact that conspiracy videos and websites exist ironically discredit ANY conspiracy theory.

 

Is this clear now?

Edited November 24, 2008 by Fiesta

[Duke 0]

Bly, you still havent responded to this:

It's just too big. You just couldn't pull it off. Give me a valid theory how all the people i've just listed could be convinced to take part in the scheme without whispering a word about it to anyone all this time. People talk, people always talk. It's just too unlikely that there is any *conspiracy* behind it at all. It's just too big.

 

Maybe instead of trying to tell us all about the scientific stuff that you pretend to - but obviously don't understand why not talk about purpose.

 

I like to be a conspiracy nut... but as for the above debate. I'm staying out of it...

 

Thank goodness for that!

[BioBen 3]

Wow, this is intense. I hope Bly doesn't get ban hammered.

I generally keep away from conspiracies, theres one for every big disaster/assasination/death. And they use the same tactic of using unprovable evidence to support their aguement.

Well thats all I'm saying, It's a bit too hot in here for me.

[Duke 0]

My ban hammer is carefully locked away in my drawer. However the key is right on top of my monitor

 

Besides, we're just having a *friendly* debate...no reason for anyone to go for their hammers unless something catches on fire causing...well FLAMES.

 

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[BlyTwo 0]

It's just too big. You just couldn't pull it off. Give me a valid theory how all the people i've just listed could be convinced to take part in the scheme without whispering a word about it to anyone all this time. People talk, people always talk. It's just too unlikely that there is any *conspiracy* behind it at all. It's just too big.

There is no limit to size of cover-ups, just a limit to how well they cover it up, there are holes, and people have found them. ex. People have found the gaping holes in the "Weather Balloon" and "Swamp Gas" ideas years ago.

 

The absence of barium nitrate and aluminum oxide in the debris disprove the use of both thermite and thermate, as both are by-products of thermite and thermate reactions and would have been found in HUGE amounts during cleanup.

or at least that's what they said...

 

Steel loses HALF of its strength at a point between 600 and 650 degrees Celsius (exact numbers depend on who you ask and where you look), and that NOBODY said the steel melted but you conspiracy ass-mongers. The fires burned even hotter than the point at which steel loses half its strength. Floor trusses sagged, pulling perimeter columns inward and eventually causing the collapses.

steel is not a fixed compound... it's statistics can be modified

 

The towers were made to sustain an impact from a 707 at cruising speed (about 180MPH), NOT an enormous 757/767 going over 500MPH. The impacts severely damaged many perimeter and core columns and blew off fireproofing and cut off water supply to extinguishing sprinklers, so fires were able to spread uncontrolled.

I know about the sprinkler systems, but what about the smoothly cut vertical beams in the rubble?

 

You ARE the one that has to prove YOUR arguments because you're the one that originally challenged the evidence provided by FEMA, the NIST, and the 9/11 Commission.

I'm only the one who got it going in this forum...

 

My ban hammer is carefully locked away in my drawer. However the key is right on top of my monitor

 

Besides, we're just having a *friendly* debate...no reason for anyone to go for their hammers unless something catches on fire causing...well FLAMES.

 

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hey i got an administrator calling me stupid, a lot! (I honestly don't really care, i just need a simple redemption)

 

 

And no one has touched on the FACT that there were sub- basement explosions

 

[Alphabear 11]

Let me ask you, what would have been the reason for these alleged bombs in the basement? The buildings did not collapse from the basement, and they were the most intact section following the collapse.

[Doctor Destiny 41]

There is no limit to size of cover-ups, just a limit to how well they cover it up,

That may be true in some respects but not in this case. The greater the magnitude of the cover, the greater the chance it will fail. Do you have any idea of how many people would be involved in such a crime? Too many to keep quiet.

 

steel is not a fixed compound... it's statistics can be modified

Now you're just making up lies to cover your faulty assumptions.

 

what about the smoothly cut vertical beams in the rubble?

That has already been explained. The beams were cut in order to clear more rubble.

 

And no one has touched on the FACT that there were sub- basement explosions

There are no facts to support it. Chiefly because the basements were left in tact and that the buildings pancake collapsed from the top.

[Fiesta 0]

or at least that's what they said...

 

OK then... find the GIGANTIC piles of brownish aluminum oxide powder or silvery-white barium nitrate for me. Go on. Because this pic, this one, and this one don't show any. That's all from page 1 of a Google Image Search. Should I attach a winch to my Grand Cherokee to help pull your head out of your ass yet?

 

And no one has touched on the FACT that people inside the towers heard sub- basement explosions, even though none were visible

 

Fixed for accuracy. Fool.

[BlyTwo 0]

Let me ask you, what would have been the reason for these alleged bombs in the basement? The buildings did not collapse from the basement, and they were the most intact section following the collapse.

No idea... there just were explosions...

 

That may be true in some respects but not in this case. The greater the magnitude of the cover, the greater the chance it will fail. Do you have any idea of how many people would be involved in such a crime? Too many to keep quiet.

if i had all the money and had to cover up something because my life depended on it (not saying anything about any situations) i could cover up something so well that it would be a 0.0001% chance that anyone would see it. And they have many brainy people that are at least double my intelligence.

 

Now you're just making up lies to cover your faulty assumptions.

Do you know anything about metal compounds?

Is there a high carbon content? Or a low content?

How much Iron is there? Chromium? Manganese?

 

And no one has touched on the FACT that people inside the towers heard sub- basement explosions, even though none were visible

Fixed for accuracy. Fool.

There were visible ones above ground though...

 

There are no facts to support it. Chiefly because the basements were left in tact and that the buildings pancake collapsed from the top.

Uh whatch it again, over and over, you will see it go down and near free fall speed way to fast for the force of the impact on every floor...

The pancake theory was a brilliant idea, it fits the look well, but it defies one of Newton's laws... "To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."

Not enough opposite reaction here for the pancake theory, where every floor would be bashing onto the one below it, greatly slowing it's speed to at least half free-fall speed...

A quick poke fore the things that everyone saw... But never payed attention to for the one single time you heard about them, before those news topics were swiftly silenced...

These are real recorded videos put together into a youtube video... notice the news logos on them..

And will someone tell me where the hell was NORAD?

Hmmm... well they just happened to be running training simulations, and they apparently couldn't tell the reals from the fakes <<<that came from NORAD themselves.

Edited November 25, 2008 by BlyTwo

[Alphabear 11]

Let me ask you, what would have been the reason for these alleged bombs in the basement? The buildings did not collapse from the basement, and they were the most intact section following the collapse.

No idea... there just were explosions...

There were also cars driving past just before it happened, that must also prove the conspiracy

 

 

[BlyTwo 0]

No idea... there just were explosions...

There were also cars driving past just before it happened, that must also prove the conspiracy

Wow, am I really just wasting my time here with these American Patriot (look there's that word again) ignorant numnuts that will believe it just because it was repetitively shoved into your head and smashed in with a giant sledgehammer painfully over and over stubbornly trying to make you fall for yet another trap like many before it... We have uncovered government cover-ups before and we won, but they are constantly, more and more distracting you with s*** like TV and, games and toys... it kinda worked at first, but then they just kept adding to the pile; people think they are fighting over money... well they're not, they are fighting over who can get closer to slavery................

 

But now more and more people are beginning to realize that the people have the power, the people can overthrow the government (if needed) and as been said:     "We are coming into a new age, an age of realization"

I am not trying to be your counter, I'm just trying to show you who is behind your leash...

Edited November 25, 2008 by BlyTwo

[Alphabear 11]

There were also cars driving past just before it happened, that must also prove the conspiracy rolleyes.gif

 

Wow, am I really just wasting my time here with these American Patriot (look there's that word again) ignorant numnuts that will believe it just because it was repetitively shoved into your head and smashed in with a giant sledgehammer painfully over and over stubbornly trying to make you fall for yet another trap like many before it... We have uncovered government cover-ups before and we won, but they are constantly, more and more distracting you with s*** like TV and, games and toys... it kinda worked at first, but then they just kept adding to the pile; people think they are fighting over money... well they're not, they are fighting over who can get closer to slavery................

 

But now more and more people are beginning to realize that the people have the power, the people can overthrow the government (if needed) and as been said:     "We are coming into a new age, an age of realization"

I am not trying to be your counter, I'm just trying to show you who is behind your leash...

 

In all your perceptive wisdom you failed to notice a line under my avatar, "From: Brisbane, Australia." I am not an American Patriot, nor am I even an American.

 

You keep claiming that an alleged bomb in the basement is proof of the conspiracy. Why in the world would they plant a bomb that would have nothing to do with any of the other events of that day. If you were going to try and fake the destruction of the world trade center, why would you set off explosives elsewhere, it would only increase the number of thing that would need to be covered up.

[BlyTwo 0]

Wow, am I really just wasting my time here with these American Patriot (look there's that word again) ignorant numnuts that will believe it just because it was repetitively shoved into your head and smashed in with a giant sledgehammer painfully over and over stubbornly trying to make you fall for yet another trap like many before it... We have uncovered government cover-ups before and we won, but they are constantly, more and more distracting you with s*** like TV and, games and toys... it kinda worked at first, but then they just kept adding to the pile; people think they are fighting over money... well they're not, they are fighting over who can get closer to slavery................

 

But now more and more people are beginning to realize that the people have the power, the people can overthrow the government (if needed) and as been said:     "We are coming into a new age, an age of realization"

I am not trying to be your counter, I'm just trying to show you who is behind your leash...

 

In all your perceptive wisdom you failed to notice a line under my avatar, "From: Brisbane, Australia." I am not an American Patriot, nor am I even an American.

 

You keep claiming that an alleged bomb in the basement is proof of the conspiracy. Why in the world would they plant a bomb that would have nothing to do with any of the other events of that day. If you were going to try and fake the destruction of the world trade center, why would you set off explosives elsewhere, it would only increase the number of thing that would need to be covered up.

1. I wasn't just talking about you, i saw that you were from Australia, but that doesn't change much, if you were American, you would be a Patriot...

2. it wasn't only the bombs in the sub-basement. Did you even watch the videos? The videos are not modified in any way, i saw it, an my immediate family all saw it and wondered what was with the small explosions that continuously went in a repeating pattern, and how the bottom of the top section exploded the instant before it began falling......

3. I guess i am wasting my time here...

 

Do you want to know why I am so certain?

It is because I got the information from somewhere higher than the military... Where i got this information, it is concealed from the public completely, until recently, within the last few years we have been slowly moving the world into the sight and truth of all that has been hidden for hundreds of years...

I have been assigned to the odd forum here and there to begin the spark of realization, but apparently I am failing, and I need to find someone better at this to replace me... And I go back to being a Fleet Commander on an interplanetary mission, again...

Now it probably sounds like I lost it, but I'm far from it... The Twin Towers, I am finished discussing it, I have apparently lost an incredibly stubborn crowd...

But the Twin Towers is nanoscopic compared to what is actually hidden...

You are gonna thing I am pulling BS, well believe what you will... I will go back to my business and fall away from this topic, unless you have something else to say... anyone?

Edited November 25, 2008 by BlyTwo

[Alphabear 11]

it wasn't only the bombs in the sub-basement. Did you even watch the videos? The videos are not modified in any way, i saw it, an my immediate family all saw it and wondered what was with the small explosions that continuously went in a repeating pattern, and how the bottom of the top section exploded the instant before it began falling......

 

Once movement begins the entire portion of the building above the area of impact falls in a unit, pushing a cushion of air below it. As this cushion of air is pushed through the impact area, fires burning in that area are fed by new oxygen and are pushed outward, creating the illusion of a secondary explosion.

Source

Source

 

 

 

[BlyTwo 0]

Looks like an influenced site, but like i said, I will leave you to your beliefs, I just simply was trying to give you another angle to look at, a rational people would look into it themselves and give understanding of both sides, i understand well, all your sides, but all of you are mostly stubbornly stuck on you idea without any reason, so again i will retire from this subject, i am finished arguing- i don't much like it.

Edited November 25, 2008 by BlyTwo

[Fiesta 0]

There were visible ones above ground though...

 

If you're talking about the puffs of dust and debris out the sky lobbies, then you're only proving yourself to be a bigger sheep than the "patriots" you've been bashing the whole time.

 

 

Uh whatch it again, over and over, you will see it go down and near free fall speed way to fast for the force of the impact on every floor...

 

Is this a game to you? Or is it a really bad joke? Because it's not fun or funny anymore. Here's what's wrong with your bubble world you live in:

 

1. Not ONE of the 3 buildings collapsed at free-fall speed or even NEAR free-fall speed.

and Tower 7

Note that even dedicating 11 seconds to Tower 7's collapse, the collapse hasn't finished when the video ends (unfortunately the original video that exactly timed Tower 7's collapse no longer exists, however that video should be enough of an indication). Is THIS clear?

 

The pancake theory was a brilliant idea, it fits the look well, but it defies one of Newton's laws... "To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." Not enough opposite reaction here for the pancake theory, where every floor would be bashing onto the one below it, greatly slowing it's speed to at least half free-fall speed...

 

2. Something you obviously don't understand is that HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF TONS of real estate was collapsing onto itself. The towers weren't built like trees, you moron. They went up in sections, and though it doesn't seem like it, they went down in sections. With each section coming down, there's little resistance as you only have the weight of one floor to resist a dozen or so collapsing. With each floor that "pancakes", the weight increases and resistance below decreases. If you can't understand this, then you just need to stop trying because you're failing hard.

 

And will someone tell me where the hell was NORAD?

Hmmm... well they just happened to be running training simulations, and they apparently couldn't tell the reals from the fakes <<<that came from NORAD themselves.

 

NOBODY will believe you unless you provide a valid source that's NOT a YouTube video put together by some conspiracy wing-nut who OD'd on Red Bull. Kindly drop this argument and destroy it until you find such a source.

 

EDIT; well, looks like you had something else to say while I was compiling my post.

 

Looks like an influenced site, but like i said, I will leave you to your beliefs, I just simply was trying to give you another angle to look at, a rational people would look into it themselves and give understanding of both sides, i understand well, all your sides, but all of you are mostly stubbornly stuck on you idea without any reason, so again i will retire from this subject, i am finished arguing- i don't much like it.

 

Aww, too bad. If only you could look at OUR angle the way we looked at yours. Because after all, we need to look at your angle and understand it to debunk it, right? I believe the good Doctor, Alpha, and myself have done that well enough. In fact, it's reasonable to assume that debunkers understand conspiracies better than those that fabricate them. Such allows us to properly rebuke the theories, which we've done. Good show.

Edited November 25, 2008 by Fiesta

[Alphabear 11]

Why, there's nothing wrong with this thread?

[Duke 0]

Ok I don't think there's much more that can be added to the Twin Towers idea. How about this....

 

 

Moon Landing? Yea or Nay?

[Nmenth 291]

Why, there's nothing wrong with this thread?

Except that it serves no purpose. No one is going to change their opinions. The same arguments will be repeated until it all stops, as I said would be the case. I am not new to conspiracy theories, I have heard all of this before, I am familiar with all of it, I have heard the same debates. It doesn't change... No one will accomplish anything and no one truly admits defeat. This is why I stayed out of the main conflict, what I say has no more influence than what anyone else says, those that would agree with me would agree and those that didn't would disagree. Pointless, as conspiracy discussions always are.

I accidentally started this, I wish to intentionally end it sooner rather than later.

[Duke 0]

It still makes for an interesting discussion topic as well as having people get really passionate in a forum. Rather amusing but quite good, we can try and be intellectual but let's see how we go.

 

Moon landings? Did the USA land on the moon?

[BlyTwo 0]

If you're talking about the puffs of dust and debris out the sky lobbies, then you're only proving yourself to be a bigger sheep than the "patriots" you've been bashing the whole time.

I'm not bashing anyone, just stating a fact, whether you actually telling the truth or not, it is still Patriotism.

 

Is this a game to you? Or is it a really bad joke? Because it's not fun or funny anymore. Here's what's wrong with your bubble world you live in:

Games games, games... That's all there seems to be in this "world"

 

1. Not ONE of the 3 buildings collapsed at free-fall speed or even NEAR free-fall speed.

and Tower 7

Note that even dedicating 11 seconds to Tower 7's collapse, the collapse hasn't finished when the video ends (unfortunately the original video that exactly timed Tower 7's collapse no longer exists, however that video should be enough of an indication). Is THIS clear?

uh, i watched building 7 it took ≈10 seconds, it has been seen over and over by many...

And look it's turning into a youtube battle!

Anti-conspiracy theorists are the same as the theorists... Except on opposite ends...

 

2. Something you obviously don't understand is that HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF TONS of real estate was collapsing onto itself. The towers weren't built like trees, you moron. They went up in sections, and though it doesn't seem like it, they went down in sections. With each section coming down, there's little resistance as you only have the weight of one floor to resist a dozen or so collapsing. With each floor that "pancakes", the weight increases and resistance below decreases. If you can't understand this, then you just need to stop trying because you're failing hard.

And there are HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF TONS to slow the fall, you really don't understand physics...

 

NOBODY will believe you unless you provide a valid source that's NOT a YouTube video put together by some conspiracy wing-nut who OD'd on Red Bull. Kindly drop this argument and destroy it until you find such a source.

Just grrrrr...

THOSE WERE EXACT REMIXES OF THE REAL FOOTAGE, LOOK UP THE TRUE FOOTAGE ANYWHERE, YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY ARE DIFFERENT VIEWS OF THE EXACT SAME THING!

 

Aww, too bad. If only you could look at OUR angle the way we looked at yours. Because after all, we need to look at your angle and understand it to debunk it, right? I believe the good Doctor, Alpha, and myself have done that well enough. In fact, it's reasonable to assume that debunkers understand conspiracies better than those that fabricate them. Such allows us to properly rebuke the theories, which we've done. Good show.

 

Why is it so hard for anyone in the world to comprehend anything that might be microscopically obscure;

I think I've mentioned before somewhere i am horrible at trying to break it to you...

So again, again, i am retiring from this topic, i might bring up another very likely and plausible conspiracy...

 

(PS i might get my souped-up Gaz —avatar— to punch someone )

Edited November 25, 2008 by BlyTwo

[Saracen 16]

This reminds me of the BWare days, quoting friggin everything and criticising from every angle.... I want MOAR! kthxbye!